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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 21, 2019 22:14:39 GMT 1
Dreary?! No way any worse than watching keeper 10 yds to centre back then back to keeper then hoof! All in the misguided belief its playing from the back. At the risk of being knee jerk - its shit!! Spot on Shawsie. For anyone even contemplating Mark Hudson was the answer, the fact he didn't sort out the shambles when our keeper had the ball surely put that idea to bed. When these coaches go and do their courses and get their badges, what exactly are they taught? The insistence tonight on passing out of the back for 90 minutes regardless of how many times it put them on the attack was ridiculous. He's cost himself any chance of the job on the back of that alone |
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Post by BlueValour on Aug 21, 2019 22:14:57 GMT 1
Their winner came when our defender turned his back on the shot and hadn't a clue what was happening. Defenders have to be prepared to face the kicker and take the pain.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 21, 2019 22:15:13 GMT 1
If you really think Phil will splash the cash in January, you're in for a hard reality check. Not saying he will but maybe the new boss will wheel and deal? We have money . It will all depend what position we are in as to how.much we spend |
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 21, 2019 22:15:22 GMT 1
Dreary?! No way any worse than watching keeper 10 yds to centre back then back to keeper then hoof! All in the misguided belief its playing from the back. At the risk of being knee jerk - its shit!! Spot on Shawsie. For anyone even contemplating Mark Hudson was the answer, the fact he didn't sort out the shambles when our keeper had the ball surely put that idea to bed. Sadly, this was to be expected. He was part of the previous regime which seemed absolutely tactically puddled. How can he be the solution when he was an integral part of the problem? |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 21, 2019 22:15:24 GMT 1
Not having that.. more end product than any other winger, works harder and links up with the full back well. What fucking end product, he's done fuck all for over 2 years |
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Post by Stiggy on Aug 21, 2019 22:15:55 GMT 1
With so many poor players and our better players gone, it's hard to see how any manager will get a tune out of this lot.
We're playing with players devoid of confidence carried over from last season when all they were coached if how to defend and they were poor at it.
Holes all over the team, school boy errors, no competition for places and criminal lack of investment for a club that's spend 2 years in the richest league in the world.
The whole squad should have been shaken up and jan should have gone in May.
Worrying times.
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 21, 2019 22:16:47 GMT 1
Just on coach outside stadium. Looking forward to the 5+ hour journey back up north. I can forgive most things but some things I can’t: - being completely outfought by the other team. The least a fan should expect is that players put the effort in and go toe to toe with the opposition - the persistence with playing out from the back from goal kicks. The amount of times we gave the ball away in dangerous areas and just invited pressure doing that was criminal. I could see that after 5 minutes tonight. Why can’t the coaches/players? A draw would have been an absolute travesty. Had Cardiff taken 50% of their chances, we would have been hammered. I don’t have any answers but I’m not paid handsomely to have them, others are. I fear that if things don’t change soon, it could get very ugly very quickly for big Phil. I feel your pain pal. Safe journey home! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:17:02 GMT 1
Grabara? Ffs the guy is the new Tim Clark. What you on about now lad? who knows but despite the result its no wonder there are numptys on here grabara is a good keeper |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 21, 2019 22:17:45 GMT 1
Where to start? Chalobah was excellent. Real shining light on a dark night. Looked to get it forward, won the ball time and again, wasn't bullied in the middle. Hogg, on the other hand, was so far off the pace. Losing every week has clearly got to him and many others. What can't be excused is the basic errors time and again. What were we doing trying to play out from the back all the time? We lost it time after time and invited an incredible amount of pressure. There was no out ball, no running in behind, no attempt to stretch Cardiff's back line. It was, quite simply, brain dead. Experienced players should have realised that. We were trying what worked under Wagner, but with no confidence and no conviction. Everything was to feet with backs to goal. We didn't utilise the wingers. Van la Parra wasn't great but at least he tried to drive forward. Mbenza was a passenger in one of the worst performances I'll ever see. It wasn't a player trying things and them not coming off - it was a player not trying. At one point Pritchard I think it was played a short ball to him. Mbenza had a five yard head start to the ball and still didn't get there. He shouldn't play for the club again, unless he's prepared to put it all on the line - the bare minimum needed right now. The right side was non-existent. I've had it with Hadergjonaj bottling every single tackle. You're a full back. Play like one, man. When he hurdled a challenge he was first into in about the 88th minute I nearly put the remote through the telly. We're losing, you don't get a choice. Bust a gut, get there first, win the free-kick. You might have a bruise in the morning, but in these circumstances you have to put your body on the line to get something. Win the free-kick, pile forward, snatch an equaliser and it's worth it. But no, hurdle it, pointless throw in, backwards, sideways, backwards, chance gone. Diakhaby did more in 15 minutes than Mbenza, but we could have a dead parrot there and it would do more than Mbenza right now. No, tonight was awful. I did think we'd see it out and get a point, but it's the hope that kills you. A point wouldn't have been deserved, but it'd be a confidence builder. You must be watching a different Hadergjonaj to me. I've slated him as much as most in the past but for me he looks to have found his level and along with Chalobah was one of our bright spots tonight. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 21, 2019 22:17:46 GMT 1
Think tonight showed that Hudson isn't the coaching answer. I do think the players tried more for him than Siewert, but there's a need to go back to basics before we even think about evolving our identity again. Cardiff did the basics right. They won the first and second balls. They were direct when they needed to. They ran in behind. They defended as a unit. It wasn't pretty, but it'll be a damn sight more effective than us trying to pass it around with players with zero confidence.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 21, 2019 22:17:59 GMT 1
the silence from the board is deafening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 22:19:08 GMT 1
Hopefully never to return. Good job Huddersfield ain’t in Columbia! Have to be a bit more specific there. Which Columbia? Arizona, San Diego, Alabama, California? |
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Post by capitalterrier on Aug 21, 2019 22:19:41 GMT 1
I just don't understand why we're so reluctant to attack? We look so uncomfortable on the ball going forward.
Premier league performances persist but now not against the world's best.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 21, 2019 22:19:42 GMT 1
Not saying he will but maybe the new boss will wheel and deal? We have money . It will all depend what position we are in as to how.much we spend No doubt we'll be told it is being held back until the summer window for our promotion push from league 1. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 21, 2019 22:20:24 GMT 1
Where to start? Chalobah was excellent. Real shining light on a dark night. Looked to get it forward, won the ball time and again, wasn't bullied in the middle. Hogg, on the other hand, was so far off the pace. Losing every week has clearly got to him and many others. What can't be excused is the basic errors time and again. What were we doing trying to play out from the back all the time? We lost it time after time and invited an incredible amount of pressure. There was no out ball, no running in behind, no attempt to stretch Cardiff's back line. It was, quite simply, brain dead. Experienced players should have realised that. We were trying what worked under Wagner, but with no confidence and no conviction. Everything was to feet with backs to goal. We didn't utilise the wingers. Van la Parra wasn't great but at least he tried to drive forward. Mbenza was a passenger in one of the worst performances I'll ever see. It wasn't a player trying things and them not coming off - it was a player not trying. At one point Pritchard I think it was played a short ball to him. Mbenza had a five yard head start to the ball and still didn't get there. He shouldn't play for the club again, unless he's prepared to put it all on the line - the bare minimum needed right now. The right side was non-existent. I've had it with Hadergjonaj bottling every single tackle. You're a full back. Play like one, man. When he hurdled a challenge he was first into in about the 88th minute I nearly put the remote through the telly. We're losing, you don't get a choice. Bust a gut, get there first, win the free-kick. You might have a bruise in the morning, but in these circumstances you have to put your body on the line to get something. Win the free-kick, pile forward, snatch an equaliser and it's worth it. But no, hurdle it, pointless throw in, backwards, sideways, backwards, chance gone. Diakhaby did more in 15 minutes than Mbenza, but we could have a dead parrot there and it would do more than Mbenza right now. No, tonight was awful. I did think we'd see it out and get a point, but it's the hope that kills you. A point wouldn't have been deserved, but it'd be a confidence builder. You must be watching a different Hadergjonaj to me. I've slated him as much as most in the past but for me he looks to have found his level and along with Chalobah was one of our bright spots tonight. He's a full back. He's been better this season but tonight he was dreadful. He can't tackle and bottles every challenge. Going forward he was fine, but if a defender can't defend there's no point him being there. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Aug 21, 2019 22:20:30 GMT 1
the silence from the board is deafening. What you want them to do bring Siewert back and sack him again? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 21, 2019 22:21:07 GMT 1
What you on about now lad? who knows but despite the result its no wonder there are numptys on here grabara is a good keeper Apart from the short passes from goal kicks which he'd clearly been instructed to do he was excellent tonight. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Aug 21, 2019 22:21:29 GMT 1
Let's look for positives.
Chalobah was promising.
Hadergjonaj is really putting in some effort and seems to have stopped falling over.
Kongolo is solid.
If you ignore his deficiencies when he's got the ball, Grabara is way above some of the keepers we've had.
A lot of those players have demonstrated they're MUCH better than recent performances suggest.
....If PH splashes the cash to get a decent manager I'm confident those rushing to find best odds on relegation will be less rich come May.
PS Nobody mention Mbenza
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 21, 2019 22:21:29 GMT 1
We have money . It will all depend what position we are in as to how.much we spend No doubt we'll be told it is being held back until the summer window for our promotion push from league 1. Well obviously it's not.ideal.to spend in January. But we.might have no choice |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 21, 2019 22:22:30 GMT 1
How on earth did VLP make mbenza look like Ryan giggs? Fuck me, mbenza was the worst player on the pitch.
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Post by drfootball on Aug 21, 2019 22:23:25 GMT 1
Yes, but we wont sleepwalk in to relegation. Town have literally given away Willy Wonkas golden ticket. £200 mill and a seat at the top table and 25 months later we look like of team of freebies in the Conference. That is the tragedy of this. Had we never gone up we would be better than that. Appalling recruitment, waste of resources and shameful that we cant even get the basics right. Press the ball, best 11, give 100%, fight and stand up and be counted. Cant buy a win. Cant buy a draw. Cant grind out a performance. No shape, no chances, no urgency and heading for Div 1. Disgusting. I wish I could like it twice |
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Post by Stiggy on Aug 21, 2019 22:24:55 GMT 1
I just don't understand why we're so reluctant to attack? We look so uncomfortable on the ball going forward. Premier league performances persist but now not against the world's best. Because we were tought to only defend for the last 18 months. We've forgot how to. |
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Post by townrwe on Aug 21, 2019 22:25:25 GMT 1
the silence from the board is deafening. Needs to sell up.. The first rule of business is to know when it's not going to work and stop persisting with it. Get on the phone to the Yanks and get us sold. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 21, 2019 22:26:20 GMT 1
You must be watching a different Hadergjonaj to me. I've slated him as much as most in the past but for me he looks to have found his level and along with Chalobah was one of our bright spots tonight. He's a full back. He's been better this season but tonight he was dreadful. He can't tackle and bottles every challenge. Going forward he was fine, but if a defender can't defend there's no point him being there. We'll agree to disagree on that then because he was anything but dreadful. |
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Post by thomo on Aug 21, 2019 22:26:32 GMT 1
Sad sad times after some of the greatest times.
I agree with calls for an experienced manager now. It has to be someone who has managed at the top end of this division before and managed big egos so he commands the respect of our big earners.
Just like last season our outfield signings don’t look to be up to the job and have had no positive impact on the team. what was the point of koroma? Will Brown get a chance? Elphick sounds to be a nightmare.
I’m finding myself hoping we can sign a full back on a free from somewhere.
Positives/reasons for optimism
We’ve had 4 tough games and not lost by more than a 1 goal margin. There are easier games to come.
Campbell could be a useful signing for us
Grant can score
Chabolah sounds like he had a good game
Hogg and Schindler haven’t turned into bad players overnight and will get confidence back
Kongolo is still class
I don’t think the keeper is too bad
An experienced manager could just give us a bit of confidence to scrape through until January and then hopefully finish the season strongly. But we do not need another experiment appointment.
Phil gets chance to show us his real ambitions with the appointment - an ambitious appointment would signal there is a pot of money for signings and he just didn’t trust Jan to spend it.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 21, 2019 22:26:51 GMT 1
The chairman needs to make a statement very soon, this cant carry on, its a disgrace !
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Post by Melc on Aug 21, 2019 22:27:45 GMT 1
Hudson even sounds like Siewert in his post match interview. Clueless.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 21, 2019 22:28:46 GMT 1
As I say, if I got our CB's mixed up for the winner, I apologise but non HD Sky I that kit made it hard to differentiate on anything other than skin or boot colour
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 21, 2019 22:30:21 GMT 1
Hudson even sounds like Siewert in his post match interview. Clueless. Please don’t say that he said we deserved a draw |
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Post by Syran on Aug 21, 2019 22:33:25 GMT 1
The chairman needs to make a statement very soon, this cant carry on, its a disgrace ! Yes that's what we're missing.... a statement |
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