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Post by E4b on Aug 22, 2019 6:57:51 GMT 1
The one that shoots football players for playing shite! You mean Colombia then. That’s the fella, cheers Culpers! |
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 22, 2019 7:13:28 GMT 1
Have to be a bit more specific there. Which Columbia? Arizona, San Diego, Alabama, California? The one that shoots football players for playing shite! He didn't play shite, he scored a crucial own goal. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:21:38 GMT 1
Last season was an absolute shambles. Yesterday, the only new players in the squad were an inferior CB, a young DCM and a free striker on the bench. How that is meant to address any of our long term problems is beyond me. Add the players we’ve lost and it’s clear that we are a shambles at the back, wide open in midfield, devoid of any creativity and toothless upfront.
I just want words from the board to match actions. From the ‘sleepwalking’ nonsense to PH’s ‘nothing I do is average’ and ‘players will only leave for huge fees’, we’ve been fed lie after lie. If they said we haven’t a pot to piss in then I’m sure we’d get onboard. But no, tickets need selling so expectations are ramped up. The owners need to stop massaging their egos in the press, strutting around promising the moon on a stick then delivering bugger all.
Their arrogance was summed up by saying ‘we won’t appoint a DoF until after the window shuts as we know what we want to do’. How’s that worked out? It’s like saying we won’t employ an architect until we’ve built our death trap of a house as we don’t want them pointing out how ridiculous our plans are.
The whole club is in free fall and our owners look more like Laurel and Hardy each day.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:26:22 GMT 1
How could every single fan see in Summer that we needed a LB, but none of the club staff could? Shambolic.
One of many problems, but it’s pissed me right off. Elphick is pretty much guaranteed to start every game now. Wouldn’t mind Edmonds-Green being given a go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:26:34 GMT 1
We are obviously being encouraged to play it out from the back with the intention of improving our ball retention. At least tonight we actually strung a few passes together, they weren't all sideways and backwards. The possession stats compared to the Fulham and QPR games are as follows. Town 35% Fulham 65% Qpr 63% Town 37% Cardiff 40% Town 60% All that possession counts for bugger all when you do absolutely nothing with it. We never looked like scoring and it was a complete bloody shock when we did. No team spirit, no fight, only 4 games in and we look relegated already. After that great escape at Chelsea I thought we were on our way, just a couple of quality additions and we'd have been fine but what did we get? Diahkaby and fucking Mbenza, Jesus wept! Hoyle gone.. Wagner gone.. We need to rip up the script and start again but I don't envy the new manager, he has one hell of a task on his hands. Of course it didn't, just pointing out why Hudson was attempting 'the Wagner way' and playing out from the back. More possession and attempting to play football by stringing more than two passes together. PS. You missed out Mooy gone. And that like it or not was unavoidable. |
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Post by loumacari on Aug 22, 2019 7:35:33 GMT 1
All that possession counts for bugger all when you do absolutely nothing with it. We never looked like scoring and it was a complete bloody shock when we did. No team spirit, no fight, only 4 games in and we look relegated already. After that great escape at Chelsea I thought we were on our way, just a couple of quality additions and we'd have been fine but what did we get? Diahkaby and fucking Mbenza, Jesus wept! Hoyle gone.. Wagner gone.. We need to rip up the script and start again but I don't envy the new manager, he has one hell of a task on his hands. Of course it didn't, just pointing out why Hudson was attempting 'the Wagner way' and playing out from the back. More possession and attempting to play football by stringing more than two passes together. PS. You missed out Mooy gone. And that like it or not was unavoidable. Not identifying and signing a replacement was avoidable. We knew Mooy would go so that should’ve been our first priority. But you’re not going to get a quality Championship midfielder from the conference or League 2 so I guess that explains why we didn’t. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 22, 2019 7:41:03 GMT 1
HUGHTON won't touch us with a barge pole, why risk his reputation.
Also wasnt it a great big lol over the shirt stunt, even that was very silly and not helped us.
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Post by royrace on Aug 22, 2019 7:44:09 GMT 1
Last season was an absolute shambles. Yesterday, the only new players in the squad were an inferior CB, a young DCM and a free striker on the bench. How that is meant to address any of our long term problems is beyond me. Add the players we’ve lost and it’s clear that we are a shambles at the back, wide open in midfield, devoid of any creativity and toothless upfront. I just want words from the board to match actions. From the ‘sleepwalking’ nonsense to PH’s ‘nothing I do is average’ and ‘players will only leave for huge fees’, we’ve been fed lie after lie. If they said we haven’t a pot to piss in then I’m sure we’d get onboard. But no, tickets need selling so expectations are ramped up. The owners need to stop massaging their egos in the press, strutting around promising the moon on a stick then delivering bugger all. Their arrogance was summed up by saying ‘we won’t appoint a DoF until after the window shuts as we know what we want to do’. How’s that worked out? It’s like saying we won’t employ an architect until we’ve built our death trap of a house as we don’t want them pointing out how ridiculous our plans are. The whole club is in free fall and our owners look more like Laurel and Hardy each day. True. It was obvious the club thought they knew exactly what they were doing, even after presiding over last summer. Not sure where the over confidence comes from, I guess from getting lucky with one managerial appointment. I wonder who will get the blame this time, is it still Wagner's fault for not playing wingers. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:49:53 GMT 1
Of course it didn't, just pointing out why Hudson was attempting 'the Wagner way' and playing out from the back. More possession and attempting to play football by stringing more than two passes together. PS. You missed out Mooy gone. And that like it or not was unavoidable. Not identifying and signing a replacement was avoidable. We knew Mooy would go so that should’ve been our first priority. But you’re not going to get a quality Championship midfielder from the conference or League 2 so I guess that explains why we didn’t. Excuse my language but that's bollox! We did not know Mooy would go, he actually agreed a new contract and was ready to sign right up until the last minute when his new agent sprung the trapdoor. You can identify a replacement but to expect him to sit on his backside waiting for the call is unrealistic. How can you sign a replacement before he's gone? We may have expected him to go, but until it happens our hands were tied. Chalobah looks quality on last nights showing by the way. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 22, 2019 8:07:44 GMT 1
HUGHTON won't touch us with a barge pole, why risk his reputation. Also wasnt it a great big lol over the shirt stunt, even that was very silly and not helped us. I'm not aware that Hughton has a barge pole. He is a big snooker fan so perhaps you should have said he won't touch us with his cue extension. |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 22, 2019 8:10:15 GMT 1
Not identifying and signing a replacement was avoidable. We knew Mooy would go so that should’ve been our first priority. But you’re not going to get a quality Championship midfielder from the conference or League 2 so I guess that explains why we didn’t. Excuse my language but that's bollox! We did not know Mooy would go, he actually agreed a new contract and was ready to sign right up until the last minute when his new agent sprung the trapdoor. You can identify a replacement but to expect him to sit on his backside waiting for the call is unrealistic. How can you sign a replacement before he's gone? We may have expected him to go, but until it happens our hands were tied. Chalobah looks quality on last nights showing by the way. Do we know for sure that this actually happened? I read something about it on here but can't remember the context. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 22, 2019 8:18:03 GMT 1
Excuse my language but that's bollox! We did not know Mooy would go, he actually agreed a new contract and was ready to sign right up until the last minute when his new agent sprung the trapdoor. You can identify a replacement but to expect him to sit on his backside waiting for the call is unrealistic. How can you sign a replacement before he's gone? We may have expected him to go, but until it happens our hands were tied. Chalobah looks quality on last nights showing by the way. Do we know for sure that this actually happened? I read something about it on here but can't remember the context. I thought he was running down his contract? Anyway, I know he's on loan but can we counter loan him back? 😀 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 8:21:53 GMT 1
Excuse my language but that's bollox! We did not know Mooy would go, he actually agreed a new contract and was ready to sign right up until the last minute when his new agent sprung the trapdoor. You can identify a replacement but to expect him to sit on his backside waiting for the call is unrealistic. How can you sign a replacement before he's gone? We may have expected him to go, but until it happens our hands were tied. Chalobah looks quality on last nights showing by the way. Do we know for sure that this actually happened? I read something about it on here but can't remember the context. It's only true if you believe what the club has said, I realise it's a big ask in the present climate. I personally believe it. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 22, 2019 8:35:23 GMT 1
I like Grabara, but why do we persist with this stupid tactic of the keeper rolling the ball sideways inside the penalty area? For God's sake gerrit forrad! We are obviously being encouraged to play it out from the back with the intention of improving our ball retention. At least tonight we actually strung a few passes together, they weren't all sideways and backwards. The possession stats compared to the Fulham and QPR games are as follows. Town 35% Fulham 65% Qpr 63% Town 37% Cardiff 40% Town 60% I don't think having a better possession % against Cardiff is an indicator of improved play. Their style of play doesn't seem to rely on having greater possession stats. Win @ Wigan 44% Win V Luton 37% Defeat @ Reading 48% |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 22, 2019 8:44:03 GMT 1
Do we know for sure that this actually happened? I read something about it on here but can't remember the context. It's only true if you believe what the club has said, I realise it's a big ask in the present climate. I personally believe it. Can you point me in the direction of a quote from the club? I'm not being an arse here, I just haven't seen anything official. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 8:44:19 GMT 1
We are obviously being encouraged to play it out from the back with the intention of improving our ball retention. At least tonight we actually strung a few passes together, they weren't all sideways and backwards. The possession stats compared to the Fulham and QPR games are as follows. Town 35% Fulham 65% Qpr 63% Town 37% Cardiff 40% Town 60% I don't think having a better possession % against Cardiff is an indicator of improved play. Their style of play doesn't seem to rely on having greater possession stats. Win @ Wigan 44% Win V Luton 37% Defeat @ Reading 48% Your missing the point, I was pointing out Hudson changing the style of play to enable more keep ball. An attempt to build confidence with possession football and passing the ball more. At the end of the day sloppy football cost us. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Aug 22, 2019 8:56:04 GMT 1
I don't think having a better possession % against Cardiff is an indicator of improved play. Their style of play doesn't seem to rely on having greater possession stats. Win @ Wigan 44% Win V Luton 37% Defeat @ Reading 48% Your missing the point, I was pointing out Hudson changing the style of play to enable more keep ball. An attempt to build confidence with possession football and passing the ball more. At the end of the day sloppy football cost us. And I'm saying that it may not have been all about Hudson's style of play trying to improve the possession %. Cardiff's style tends to allow the other team to play that way  |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 22, 2019 8:56:38 GMT 1
Bell wasnt at game last night ?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Aug 22, 2019 8:59:53 GMT 1
Bell wasnt at game last night ? He will have watched the highlights. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 22, 2019 9:01:02 GMT 1
Excuse my language but that's bollox! We did not know Mooy would go, he actually agreed a new contract and was ready to sign right up until the last minute when his new agent sprung the trapdoor. You can identify a replacement but to expect him to sit on his backside waiting for the call is unrealistic. How can you sign a replacement before he's gone? We may have expected him to go, but until it happens our hands were tied. Chalobah looks quality on last nights showing by the way. Do we know for sure that this actually happened? I read something about it on here but can't remember the context. It did. Bigger question is why was our best player only signed on a 3 year deal to start with, why were we lied to (sorry, error in the announcent left for 2 years  ) about an extra year option in our favour, and given our first year survival why were we not negotiating an extension to his deal last summer? Everything post Chelsea has been complete old school HTFC amateur hour. |
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Post by impact on Aug 22, 2019 9:02:34 GMT 1
I don't think having a better possession % against Cardiff is an indicator of improved play. Their style of play doesn't seem to rely on having greater possession stats. Win @ Wigan 44% Win V Luton 37% Defeat @ Reading 48% Your missing the point, I was pointing out Hudson changing the style of play to enable more keep ball. An attempt to build confidence with possession football and passing the ball more. At the end of the day sloppy football cost us. I think it more shows that we don't impose our style on anyone else, they do on us. Cardiff generally have lower possession, and did against us and won. Fulham and QPR tend to have more possession, and did against us. |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 22, 2019 9:05:27 GMT 1
My mistake must be your dad then My old man died in 1998. Next. No point, I'm not pissed now and a lot less pissed off. My apologies. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 9:05:50 GMT 1
Your missing the point, I was pointing out Hudson changing the style of play to enable more keep ball. An attempt to build confidence with possession football and passing the ball more. At the end of the day sloppy football cost us. And I'm saying that it may not have been all about Hudson's style of play trying to improve the possession %. Cardiff's style tends to allow the other team to play that way This started with me answering the complaint about Grabara persistently playing the ball out from the back. He was obviously under instruction still doing it under pressure. I do appreciate that Cardiff were happy to allow this to a certain extent. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Aug 22, 2019 9:06:32 GMT 1
Right folks - just spent 15 minutes sanitising this thread because of a pointless spat between a few of you. I've got better things to do. No action being taken against the posters as they were both as bad as each other, and also I've got better things to do.
Times are shite - let's not turn on each other too eh?
Any more of it and I'll be giving out more yellow cards than Jon Worthington has had... well... yellow cards...
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 22, 2019 9:08:08 GMT 1
I don't think having a better possession % against Cardiff is an indicator of improved play. Their style of play doesn't seem to rely on having greater possession stats. Win @ Wigan 44% Win V Luton 37% Defeat @ Reading 48% Your missing the point, I was pointing out Hudson changing the style of play to enable more keep ball. An attempt to build confidence with possession football and passing the ball more. At the end of the day sloppy football cost us. May be just me, but our obsession with passing out from the back and pedestrian football is madness. We have players with real pace. Yet we seem to take the view that an early ball for them is uncouth. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 9:11:52 GMT 1
It's only true if you believe what the club has said, I realise it's a big ask in the present climate. I personally believe it. Can you point me in the direction of a quote from the club? I'm not being an arse here, I just haven't seen anything official. Sorry i'm afraid I can't find it, I can assure you it's true, perhaps someone else can confirm and produce the source? Podcast maybe? |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 22, 2019 9:13:10 GMT 1
Can you point me in the direction of a quote from the club? I'm not being an arse here, I just haven't seen anything official. Sorry i'm afraid I can't find it, I can assure you it's true, perhaps someone else can confirm and produce the source? Podcast maybe? Fair enough. Like I said, I'm not trying to be awkward here, I've just never seen anything official on it. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Aug 22, 2019 9:16:19 GMT 1
We are completely fucked no two ways about it i'm afraid
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 9:33:47 GMT 1
Have to be a bit more specific there. Which Columbia? Arizona, San Diego, Alabama, California? The one that shoots football players for playing shite! Aye I got you. Change the U to an O pal |
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Post by royrace on Aug 22, 2019 9:53:54 GMT 1
Can you point me in the direction of a quote from the club? I'm not being an arse here, I just haven't seen anything official. Sorry i'm afraid I can't find it, I can assure you it's true, perhaps someone else can confirm and produce the source? Podcast maybe? The club never said this. As far as I can tell they loaned Mooy because they wanted to maximise the money they got for him and get a big wage off the books. The fact it happened on the last day was very convenient wasn’t it. Mooy isn’t the type who’d have spat his dummy out if he didn’t get the move, I mean a loan to Brighton to sit on the bench in a relegation battle??! Hardly his dream move was it. Letting Mooy leave may turn out to be be the single biggest mistake the club has made recently and there’s been a lot. Just looks like the club is desperate to bring in cash and slash the wage bill. The question is why?  |
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