woofy80
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Post by woofy80 on Aug 22, 2019 22:56:42 GMT 1
Like a lot of fans I have been looking at our club and trying to find some sense or reasoning as to why we appear to be in such a state after what was supposed to be our moment in the sun. Getting promotion to the epl is something we'll never forget 1) the 2016/17 season 2) the play-off final 3) 2017/18 surviving against all the odds.
Looking back at why people have left the club all seems to point in one direction ambition or a lack there of. Webber left calling us a league one outfit, Wagner appears to have left because he wasn't backed in the transfer window, we appeared to have failed to attract any premier league quality players and then the appointment of Siewert an unproven junior coach with limited first team experience given the reigns to a premier league club .... the mind boggles!
Hoyle did wonders for the club but the reality is he was a small fish in a big pond even by championship standards, I don't think he was the right person to take us forward. I'm not having a go at him at all but I do think he should have sold once we got promoted, he didn't have the financial backing to maintain premier league status, but again that word ambition comes into play. He spent 20million upgrading canal side (which he owns NOT the club) would that money have been better spent on signing someone like Maupay or Defoe and wages to maintain the premier league money and making a statement that we are serious about being in the premier league? Not to mention all the "little old Huddersfield" and "small dog" talk, bollocks to that we were the first team to do it three times in a row! I wanted to see a bit of arrogance from the club "we're back where we belong" and "we have the best fans in the league, you need us".
Or are we just a mid table championship club that got lucky and enjoyed a tiny bit of success?
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Post by tvor on Aug 22, 2019 23:27:14 GMT 1
Always seem to get new posters in August. It’s the school holidays, the homework can wait and Leeds are top of the Championship. Usually goes a bit quieter in May.
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Post by newalbion1 on Aug 23, 2019 16:54:08 GMT 1
Canalside is NOT owned by Dean Hoyle - he is one of SIX directors!
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Post by mrg on Aug 23, 2019 17:12:44 GMT 1
Canalside is NOT owned by Dean Hoyle - he is one of SIX directors! I'm pretty sure in the handover dean said he owned it but the club are free to buy it off him when they can afford it basically. But in answer to the op, hindsight is a pointless thing unless I can learn from it. It is what it is. We need a coach will play kongolo at centre back and who has access to a natural left back before town are going anywhere. We also need the board to make some decent decisions. This Wolf character looks interesting but we cant really afford another cock up. Reading will rape us on Saturday unless we can get a back 4 in place and possibly replace bacuna in midfield after he set mitrovic up last week which was literally a goal right off the school playground. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Aug 23, 2019 17:15:43 GMT 1
"Or are we just a mid table championship club that got lucky and enjoyed a tiny bit of success?"
Pure genius!
We might get lucky again though, at least there's a small chance if people stop badgering Phil H... otherwise he may decide that it's not worth the stupid abuse from all the winkers out there and he sells up...to God knows who. Dean hand picked Phil, that's good enough for me, opinion to be reviewed at the end of the first season.
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Post by digs on Aug 23, 2019 17:40:03 GMT 1
Always seem to get new posters in August. It’s the school holidays, the homework can wait and Leeds are top of the Championship. Usually goes a bit quieter in May. now, now,don't be like that,why can't we give a new poster a chance,without taking the piss |
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Post by specialun on Aug 23, 2019 17:46:06 GMT 1
Canalside is NOT owned by Dean Hoyle - he is one of SIX directors! What has the number of Directors got to do with ownership? |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 23, 2019 17:47:58 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle 100% owns canalside.
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Post by royrace on Aug 23, 2019 17:50:06 GMT 1
Club fucked up and chucked away the golden ticket, simple. List of balls ups as long as your arm. Sheer incompetence which to be honest is tainting everything achieved in the last few years. Depressing, hopefully a win on Saturday will give some confidence we're not heading back to league one. History often repeats. Would help a tiny bit if the club admitted it's mistakes rather than trying to blame the best thing that happened to it in fifty years.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 23, 2019 17:53:44 GMT 1
Canalside is NOT owned by Dean Hoyle - he is one of SIX directors! I'm pretty sure in the handover dean said he owned it but the club are free to buy it off him when they can afford it basically. But in answer to the op, hindsight is a pointless thing unless I can learn from it. It is what it is. We need a coach will play kongolo at centre back and who has access to a natural left back before town are going anywhere. We also need the board to make some decent decisions. This Wolf character looks interesting but we cant really afford another cock up. Reading will rape us on Saturday unless we can get a back 4 in place and possibly replace bacuna in midfield after he set mitrovic up last week which was literally a goal right off the school playground. I'm pretty cool with most things but can you refrain from using the term 'rape us', I find it a bit distasteful in all honest as I'm sure most would on here. Thank you. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 23, 2019 18:27:54 GMT 1
I fail to understand why people cannot see that what happened to us is NOT uncommon. Portsmouth, Bradford, Blackpool, Oldham, Wigan, Barnsley, Bolton, Sunderland, Ipswich I am sure there are others to add to this list. Fact is top players do not have to take a chance with minnows like Huddersfield. yes its a fairy tale that we made it up there, but its reality that we will fail to stay there, and that if we over commit and pay ridiculous money we can fall much further. Our demography suggests we are in fact a lower championship, upper League 1 side. And to boot, if you were not born there, you are likely to think that Huddersfield is a shit hole, because its grim up north. We are fortunate to have seen our marvelous team mix it with the big boys. It was two years of glory. Its going to take some readjusting, if we can stay up this season, we will be fine.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Aug 23, 2019 18:42:49 GMT 1
But the impression from general statements after promotion was that there was a determination to avoid boom n bust scenarios like Portsmouth etc. Maybe with the gulf in budgets of the have and have nots in the Prem now this is what the reality is if being careful with spending and we could have been tens of millions in the red if we'd really gone for it in some transfer windows. We clearly haven't had value for money in the last 2 windows at least though.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Aug 23, 2019 19:38:20 GMT 1
Canalside is NOT owned by Dean Hoyle - he is one of SIX directors! ownership and directorships are totally unrelated |
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Post by royrace on Aug 23, 2019 20:00:57 GMT 1
I fail to understand why people cannot see that what happened to us is NOT uncommon. Portsmouth, Bradford, Blackpool, Oldham, Wigan, Barnsley, Bolton, Sunderland, Ipswich I am sure there are others to add to this list. Fact is top players do not have to take a chance with minnows like Huddersfield. yes its a fairy tale that we made it up there, but its reality that we will fail to stay there, and that if we over commit and pay ridiculous money we can fall much further. Our demography suggests we are in fact a lower championship, upper League 1 side. And to boot, if you were not born there, you are likely to think that Huddersfield is a shit hole, because its grim up north. We are fortunate to have seen our marvelous team mix it with the big boys. It was two years of glory. Its going to take some readjusting, if we can stay up this season, we will be fine. No, actually what happened is totally different to all those clubs you mention. They over spent, we didn't. Other mistakes were made. There is a similarity with Sunderland transfer business after they went down. They supplemented some quality players with lower league cheap options and expected it to work. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by benhomly on Aug 23, 2019 20:11:51 GMT 1
"Or are we just a mid table championship club that got lucky and enjoyed a tiny bit of success?" Pure genius! We might get lucky again though, at least there's a small chance if people stop badgering Phil H... otherwise he may decide that it's not worth the stupid abuse from all the winkers out there and he sells up...to God knows who. Dean hand picked Phil, that's good enough for me, opinion to be reviewed at the end of the first season.
The only thing wrong with the original comment is we’re not a mid table championship side |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 20:19:34 GMT 1
Huddersfield Town Football Club is the parent company that owns Canalside. If you look at the publicly listed “persons of significant control”, there is just one listed, “The Huddersfield Town Association Football Club Ltd”
Dean was the ultimate controlling party because he owned Huddersfield Town Football Club. That’s what he meant. His comments about the option to own or rent Canalside were a bit naughty to be honest. He’s right...ahead of a sale he COULD have sold Canalside at book price / fair market value from Hudds Town ownership into a separate entity and then rented the service back to the football club...but doing so would all be a bit Ken Davy wouldn’t it?
It’s written in very easy to understand English at the bottom of Canalsides accounts that they’re owned and controlled by the football club, it’s clearly stated in their last confirmation statement that had updates.
In the next accounts, they will refer to Phil Hodgkinson as the ultimate controlling party of Canalside (because of his 75% control of the parent company Hudds Town FC). He has taken up the role of Chairman of Canalside and Dean has become a Company Director Of Canalside.
If you look back further it’s easy to see the exact make up of Canalside.
There are 100 ordinary shares of two types that allow for voting, 99 of which are owned by Hudds Town Football Club, and 1 of which is held by the old Hudds Rec Club.
Additionally, there are 75000 preference shares (which concur no voting rights) which are owned by the Hudds Recreation Club.
Those 75000 shares are a safety net for the Hudds Rec club that mean they receive £75000 from any liquidation sale ahead of any capital distribution to the ordinary shares. Effectively the football club has a £75000 buy out option, without that, Canalside could be sold to another party, to effectively kick the Hudds Rec club off the table and only distribute 1% of capital from a sale to them...this kind of means Canalside needs a sale value of over £7.5m before there is any value in the football club trying to engineer a situation to get that ordinary voting share out of the Rec Club.
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Post by woofy80 on Aug 23, 2019 20:25:00 GMT 1
My biggest gripe (and it's just a personal opinion) is that we are in the shit and didn't have a crack at the Prem. We played it safe so we'd be financially secure for years to come and yet this doesn't seem to be the case. I'm not expecting us to blow stupid money on players but I would expect that we strengthen for this season, especially with the players who have left - nothing against them wanting to leave it's like any job in life you always take a better offer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 20:31:34 GMT 1
My biggest gripe (and it's just a personal opinion) is that we are in the shit and didn't have a crack at the Prem. We played it safe so we'd be financially secure for years to come and yet this doesn't seem to be the case. I'm not expecting us to blow stupid money on players but I would expect that we strengthen for this season, especially with the players who have left - nothing against them wanting to leave it's like any job in life you always take a better offer. In what way did we play it safe when DESPITE receiving over a £100m from the EPL the owner made further monies available on top of that?? We spent to our limit...there was no more money to spend. That feels like “having a crack at it”. The only other option would have been to sell the club to a mega sized investment fund who would manipulate the rules (via a sponsorship deal or suchlike) around owner investment in order to make tens or hundreds more millions available. |
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Post by SN0W on Aug 23, 2019 21:03:51 GMT 1
our best play would have been to pocket the money and let the lads who took us up enjoy the Premier. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Post by jim59 on Aug 23, 2019 21:06:34 GMT 1
our best play would have been to pocket the money and let the lads who took us up enjoy the Premier. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If only! I wonder if we'd kept Heff around? |
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Post by andyboothscat on Aug 23, 2019 21:35:19 GMT 1
Huddersfield Town Football Club is the parent company that owns Canalside. If you look at the publicly listed “persons of significant control”, there is just one listed, “The Huddersfield Town Association Football Club Ltd” Dean was the ultimate controlling party because he owned Huddersfield Town Football Club. That’s what he meant. His comments about the option to own or rent Canalside were a bit naughty to be honest. He’s right...ahead of a sale he COULD have sold Canalside at book price / fair market value from Hudds Town ownership into a separate entity and then rented the service back to the football club...but doing so would all be a bit Ken Davy wouldn’t it? It’s written in very easy to understand English at the bottom of Canalsides accounts that they’re owned and controlled by the football club, it’s clearly stated in their last confirmation statement that had updates. In the next accounts, they will refer to Phil Hodgkinson as the ultimate controlling party of Canalside (because of his 75% control of the parent company Hudds Town FC). He has taken up the role of Chairman of Canalside and Dean has become a Company Director Of Canalside. If you look back further it’s easy to see the exact make up of Canalside. There are 100 ordinary shares of two types that allow for voting, 99 of which are owned by Hudds Town Football Club, and 1 of which is held by the old Hudds Rec Club. Additionally, there are 75000 preference shares (which concur no voting rights) which are owned by the Hudds Recreation Club. Those 75000 shares are a safety net for the Hudds Rec club that mean they receive £75000 from any liquidation sale ahead of any capital distribution to the ordinary shares. Effectively the football club has a £75000 buy out option, without that, Canalside could be sold to another party, to effectively kick the Hudds Rec club off the table and only distribute 1% of capital from a sale to them...this kind of means Canalside needs a sale value of over £7.5m before there is any value in the football club trying to engineer a situation to get that ordinary voting share out of the Rec Club. Thanks for that, most interesting. I had always thought that DHs comments were a bit odd considering that the club has apparently sunk £20m of PL money into the redevelopment of Canalside if they didn’t actually own it. |
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Post by SN0W on Aug 23, 2019 21:49:54 GMT 1
our best play would have been to pocket the money and let the lads who took us up enjoy the Premier. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. If only! I wonder if we'd kept Heff around? Why not? What he lacked in ability he more than made-up in team spirit. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 23, 2019 21:56:28 GMT 1
Im just pleased i lived to see us in the prem.
We are a complete shambles now with no pride and pathetic excuse for footballers, Gut wrenching.
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Post by runner76 on Aug 24, 2019 12:57:16 GMT 1
Without a major investor we - all / most clubs - will always be playing around in the bottom three divisions. With, maybe, one - if you’re lucky - a couple of seasons in the PL.
We could have taken foreign money by the sound of it, then we might have had a realistic chance to get up or stay up, but Hoyle chose the local lad, not the money, so we should get used to this league - it’s likely where we will be for a while!!
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 24, 2019 13:23:56 GMT 1
In regards to the heff he'd get in this team ahead of Elphick. Big mistake letting him go. He was the joker in the pack and the glue that kept the group together. Hefele is a top bloke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 22:38:34 GMT 1
Without a major investor we - all / most clubs - will always be playing around in the bottom three divisions. With, maybe, one - if you’re lucky - a couple of seasons in the PL. We could have taken foreign money by the sound of it, then we might have had a realistic chance to get up or stay up, but Hoyle chose the local lad, not the money, so we should get used to this league - it’s likely where we will be for a while!! Hopefully this League. |
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Post by mrg on Aug 26, 2019 14:59:25 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure in the handover dean said he owned it but the club are free to buy it off him when they can afford it basically. But in answer to the op, hindsight is a pointless thing unless I can learn from it. It is what it is. We need a coach will play kongolo at centre back and who has access to a natural left back before town are going anywhere. We also need the board to make some decent decisions. This Wolf character looks interesting but we cant really afford another cock up. Reading will rape us on Saturday unless we can get a back 4 in place and possibly replace bacuna in midfield after he set mitrovic up last week which was literally a goal right off the school playground. I'm pretty cool with most things but can you refrain from using the term 'rape us', I find it a bit distasteful in all honest as I'm sure most would on here. Thank you. No worries mate, copy that. |
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Post by hedgehog17 on Aug 27, 2019 21:40:43 GMT 1
I fail to understand why people cannot see that what happened to us is NOT uncommon. Portsmouth, Bradford, Blackpool, Oldham, Wigan, Barnsley, Bolton, Sunderland, Ipswich I am sure there are others to add to this list. Fact is top players do not have to take a chance with minnows like Huddersfield. yes its a fairy tale that we made it up there, but its reality that we will fail to stay there, and that if we over commit and pay ridiculous money we can fall much further. Our demography suggests we are in fact a lower championship, upper League 1 side. And to boot, if you were not born there, you are likely to think that Huddersfield is a shit hole, because its grim up north. We are fortunate to have seen our marvelous team mix it with the big boys. It was two years of glory. Its going to take some readjusting, if we can stay up this season, we will be fine. No, actually what happened is totally different to all those clubs you mention. They over spent, we didn't. Other mistakes were made. There is a similarity with Sunderland transfer business after they went down. They supplemented some quality players with lower league cheap options and expected it to work. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by hedgehog17 on Aug 27, 2019 21:42:37 GMT 1
We didnt over spend, but we have already spent the parachute payment according to the owner.
Orient and Forrest Green are not lower league?
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Post by linson on Aug 27, 2019 22:43:22 GMT 1
The fact is we blew our chance. It's not just one little mistake that's caused it, it's a compendium of compilations of collections of a comedy of errors.
- Not addressing our lack of goals in promotion year
- Not addressing our lack of goals in the survival year
- God awful signings
- Changing tactics from 433 to 532
- Lack of natural, positive wingers
- Backroom staff
- Siewert and his inexcusable inexperience
- Mismanagement of club finances
- Not keeping enough of the good part of the team together
- Promoting / retaining deadwood
- Continually trying the same failed tactics over and over again
- Going into a season without a single recognised left back
I'm confident people on here could add to this sizeable list.
The club is in free fall, you reap what you sow; and we sowed a League One batch of melons.
Best we can hope for is to delve in to the free agent market, cancel more deadwood contracts and slowly rebuild with a new manager. The premiership should have been our trampoline but has ended up being our quicksand but only because we made it that way.
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