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Post by tockyterrier on Aug 28, 2019 22:26:57 GMT 1
Going back to the OP's points.
We could attract seasoned / proven Premier league players,.... should we have spent £20m on a striker instead of Canalside?
One of the reasons we could not attract proven players was probably the state of Canalside (see Depoitre thread and look where ex Premier league Bradford still train)
The other is probably that we would not pay what we couldn't afford (see Bradford, Portsmouth, Bolton etc.)
I work with a Bolton fan, he reckons the current situation all stems back to them signing the likes of Jay Jay Okocha on wages they couldn't afford.
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 29, 2019 6:35:19 GMT 1
"Or are we just a mid table championship club that got lucky and enjoyed a tiny bit of success?" Pure genius! We might get lucky again though, at least there's a small chance if people stop badgering Phil H... otherwise he may decide that it's not worth the stupid abuse from all the winkers out there and he sells up...to God knows who. Dean hand picked Phil, that's good enough for me, opinion to be reviewed at the end of the first season.
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 29, 2019 6:39:14 GMT 1
Going back to the OP's points. We could attract seasoned / proven Premier league players,.... should we have spent £20m on a striker instead of Canalside? One of the reasons we could not attract proven players was probably the state of Canalside (see Depoitre thread and look where ex Premier league Bradford still train) The other is probably that we would not pay what we couldn't afford (see Bradford, Portsmouth, Bolton etc.) I work with a Bolton fan, he reckons the current situation all stems back to them signing the likes of Jay Jay Okocha on wages they couldn't afford. You make a good point I fear Mooy May be our jay jay ockocha or jack rodwell if we get relegated and Brighton don’t wish to retain his services. Aside from parachute payments his salary might equate to our total revenue in league 1. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 29, 2019 7:13:27 GMT 1
Going back to the OP's points. We could attract seasoned / proven Premier league players,.... should we have spent £20m on a striker instead of Canalside? One of the reasons we could not attract proven players was probably the state of Canalside (see Depoitre thread and look where ex Premier league Bradford still train) The other is probably that we would not pay what we couldn't afford (see Bradford, Portsmouth, Bolton etc.) I work with a Bolton fan, he reckons the current situation all stems back to them signing the likes of Jay Jay Okocha on wages they couldn't afford. You make a good point I fear Mooy May be our jay jay ockocha or jack rodwell if we get relegated and Brighton don’t wish to retain his services. Aside from parachute payments his salary might equate to our total revenue in league 1. Jesus it just splurges out like congealed puke |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 7:59:16 GMT 1
"Or are we just a mid table championship club that got lucky and enjoyed a tiny bit of success?" Pure genius! We might get lucky again though, at least there's a small chance if people stop badgering Phil H... otherwise he may decide that it's not worth the stupid abuse from all the winkers out there and he sells up...to God knows who. Dean hand picked Phil, that's good enough for me, opinion to be reviewed at the end of the first season.
I think people should get things in perspective for most of my life Town have been a top of division 3 bottom of division 2 side and I’m over 50 ! Another flirtation with the premiership is as likely as narrowly avoiding re-election. The norm has returned. Whereas in my first 30 years of life we'd never been in the third division never mind the fourth. That's my perspective, skewed as it is because I am a lot older than you.  |
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Post by royrace on Aug 29, 2019 8:41:56 GMT 1
I think people should get things in perspective for most of my life Town have been a top of division 3 bottom of division 2 side and I’m over 50 ! Another flirtation with the premiership is as likely as narrowly avoiding re-election. The norm has returned. Whereas in my first 30 years of life we'd never been in the third division never mind the fourth. That's my perspective, skewed as it is because I am a lot older than you. Two great perspectives there from the history of our club, our most recent perspective is the fact we've just spent 2 seasons in the richest league in the world and trousered £200M+ with another £134M still to come. All this whilst apparently been run sensibly with relegation clauses etc and playing in front of full stadium with huge season ticket sales even after relegation. I personally fully expect the club to be challenging for a top 6 place at a minimum for the next 3 seasons at least, anything less than that is under performance. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 29, 2019 8:50:02 GMT 1
Club fucked up and chucked away the golden ticket, simple. List of balls ups as long as your arm. Sheer incompetence which to be honest is tainting everything achieved in the last few years. Depressing, hopefully a win on Saturday will give some confidence we're not heading back to league one. History often repeats. Would help a tiny bit if the club admitted it's mistakes rather than trying to blame the best thing that happened to it in fifty years. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards We have clearly made some bad decisions, but some of you are so simplifying it. We went up as small fish that had an infrasture you'd expect of a club that had been in the lower leagues for ages and nor did we have any advantages, whether that be finances, connections to super agents, etc. We were therefore going to suffer for any decision that wasn't almost perfect, whilst also having to sort numerous other things that pretty much everyone else had in place for years. We also had to account for likely getting relegated in the near future for the same reason. Don't get me wrong, the recruitment was terrible, especially in the windows after we survived, and the appointment of Siewert lazy. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 8:57:25 GMT 1
Whereas in my first 30 years of life we'd never been in the third division never mind the fourth. That's my perspective, skewed as it is because I am a lot older than you. Two great perspectives there from the history of our club, our most recent perspective is the fact we've just spent 2 seasons in the richest league in the world and trousered £200M+ with another £134M still to come. All this whilst apparently been run sensibly with relegation clauses etc and playing in front of full stadium with huge season ticket sales even after relegation. I personally fully expect the club to be challenging for a top 6 place at a minimum for the next 3 seasons at least, anything less than that is under performance. I would like all of that, if we will have £334 million plus in those extremely large trouser pockets you seem to think the club has. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 29, 2019 8:57:42 GMT 1
Roy who exactly do you think has "trousered" 200m ? Do you suspect skullduggery and jiggerypokery ?
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 29, 2019 11:05:58 GMT 1
Whereas in my first 30 years of life we'd never been in the third division never mind the fourth. That's my perspective, skewed as it is because I am a lot older than you. Two great perspectives there from the history of our club, our most recent perspective is the fact we've just spent 2 seasons in the richest league in the world and trousered £200M+ with another £134M still to come. All this whilst apparently been run sensibly with relegation clauses etc and playing in front of full stadium with huge season ticket sales even after relegation. I personally fully expect the club to be challenging for a top 6 place at a minimum for the next 3 seasons at least, anything less than that is under performance. Mate I love your optimism.... and hopefully your right. My fear is the money has gone 1. To pay non premiership footballers salaries for the next 2 years and 2. For Phil to buy dean out. Ps your wrong in terms of funds to come it’s circa £45m + £35m plus £15m = £95m in total. With the present wage bill we will be losing a minimum £25m per season. Without income of a good £30m from transfers I fear we will be heavily in debt. |
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 29, 2019 14:27:36 GMT 1
Club fucked up and chucked away the golden ticket, simple. List of balls ups as long as your arm. Sheer incompetence which to be honest is tainting everything achieved in the last few years. Depressing, hopefully a win on Saturday will give some confidence we're not heading back to league one. History often repeats. Would help a tiny bit if the club admitted it's mistakes rather than trying to blame the best thing that happened to it in fifty years. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards We have clearly made some bad decisions, but some of you are so simplifying it. We went up as small fish that had an infrasture you'd expect of a club that had been in the lower leagues for ages and nor did we have any advantages, whether that be finances, connections to super agents, etc. We were therefore going to suffer for any decision that wasn't almost perfect, whilst also having to sort numerous other things that pretty much everyone else had in place for years. We also had to account for likely getting relegated in the near future for the same reason. Don't get me wrong, the recruitment was terrible, especially in the windows after we survived, and the appointment of Siewert lazy. I believe we have made horrendous mistakes basing the whole long term ethos of the club on a manager who was set to depart within 3 years (regardless of wether he was a success or failure). We implemented some sort of Dortmund plan without the infrastructure which supports the highest attended club in world football. We abandoned our academy, without a real alternative a la Brentford . We have a £20m 1st team facility for a playing staff that’s not worth £20m. We have no director of football, CEO or benefactor anymore, and we have a demotivated playing staff of bloated wages. If I was Phil I’d offer someone like David Moyes a five year deal on £300k pa and 25% of the clubs equity. You never know he=might just go for it. |
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Post by royrace on Aug 29, 2019 14:40:28 GMT 1
Roy who exactly do you think has "trousered" 200m ? Do you suspect skullduggery and jiggerypokery ? By trousered I mean collected as income from the PL, I'm certainly not insinuating any skullduggery or jiggerpokery but I am saying that clearly these levels of income affect expectation levels and so they should. I was responding to two posts on perspective, both highlighting the differences that Town fans of different ages may have. My point is that my perspective has changed somewhat since the club has been promoted and received hundreds of millions of pounds with a guaranteed £44M each year for the next three years. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 29, 2019 14:40:50 GMT 1
We have clearly made some bad decisions, but some of you are so simplifying it. We went up as small fish that had an infrasture you'd expect of a club that had been in the lower leagues for ages and nor did we have any advantages, whether that be finances, connections to super agents, etc. We were therefore going to suffer for any decision that wasn't almost perfect, whilst also having to sort numerous other things that pretty much everyone else had in place for years. We also had to account for likely getting relegated in the near future for the same reason. Don't get me wrong, the recruitment was terrible, especially in the windows after we survived, and the appointment of Siewert lazy. I believe we have made horrendous mistakes basing the whole long term ethos of the club on a manager who was set to depart within 3 years (regardless of wether he was a success or failure). We implemented some sort of Dortmund plan without the infrastructure which supports the highest attended club in world football. We abandoned our academy, without a real alternative a la Brentford . We have a £20m 1st team facility for a playing staff that’s not worth £20m. We have no director of football, CEO or benefactor anymore, and we have a demotivated playing staff of bloated wages. If I was Phil I’d offer someone like David Moyes a five year deal on £300k pa and 25% of the clubs equity. You never know he=might just go for it. Ypafs |
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Post by royrace on Aug 29, 2019 14:52:40 GMT 1
Two great perspectives there from the history of our club, our most recent perspective is the fact we've just spent 2 seasons in the richest league in the world and trousered £200M+ with another £134M still to come. All this whilst apparently been run sensibly with relegation clauses etc and playing in front of full stadium with huge season ticket sales even after relegation. I personally fully expect the club to be challenging for a top 6 place at a minimum for the next 3 seasons at least, anything less than that is under performance. Mate I love your optimism.... and hopefully your right. My fear is the money has gone 1. To pay non premiership footballers salaries for the next 2 years and 2. For Phil to buy dean out. Ps your wrong in terms of funds to come it’s circa £45m + £35m plus £15m = £95m in total. With the present wage bill we will be losing a minimum £25m per season. Without income of a good £30m from transfers I fear we will be heavily in debt. Yes I stand corrected, 55%, 45% and 20% apparently which like you say is approx £95M in total. Still hopefully enough to keep the wolf from the door and maintain a top 6 capable team. We are unfortunately going to be massively hamstrung by the fact that the players we spent approx £25M plus wages last summer on are now worth approximately zilch and aren't bringing any benefit to the team. |
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Post by benhomly on Aug 29, 2019 15:04:13 GMT 1
Mate I love your optimism.... and hopefully your right. My fear is the money has gone 1. To pay non premiership footballers salaries for the next 2 years and 2. For Phil to buy dean out. Ps your wrong in terms of funds to come it’s circa £45m + £35m plus £15m = £95m in total. With the present wage bill we will be losing a minimum £25m per season. Without income of a good £30m from transfers I fear we will be heavily in debt. Yes I stand corrected, 55%, 45% and 20% apparently which like you say is approx £95M in total. Still hopefully enough to keep the wolf from the door and maintain a top 6 capable team. We are unfortunately going to be massively hamstrung by the fact that the players we spent approx £25M plus wages last summer on are now worth approximately zilch and aren't bringing any benefit to the team. ' Shouldn't this be in the 'Next Town Manager Odds' thread? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 29, 2019 15:08:09 GMT 1
Roy who exactly do you think has "trousered" 200m ? Do you suspect skullduggery and jiggerypokery ? By trousered I mean collected as income from the PL, I'm certainly not insinuating any skullduggery or jiggerpokery but I am saying that clearly these levels of income affect expectation levels and so they should. I was responding to two posts on perspective, both highlighting the differences that Town fans of different ages may have. My point is that my perspective has changed somewhat since the club has been promoted and received hundreds of millions of pounds with a guaranteed £44M each year for the next three years. The fact is all the money is in the prem . So whilst we are better off than we were , we are not "premier league rich " now we are back down in the championship . The whole idea of the parachute payments was to prevent clubs going bust. I dont think it was so clubs kept all their premier league players . Even with the payments BWFC have shown how easy it is to get into difficulties. Whilst i was disappointed with the last window i totally get where PH is coming from when he talks about 3 windows . And the need to get a large proportion of the high earners off the books . At 250 pound a season ticket x 20000 punters plus an owner who isnt a sheikh anything else is unrealistic |
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Post by drumriggend on Aug 29, 2019 15:13:36 GMT 1
By trousered I mean collected as income from the PL, I'm certainly not insinuating any skullduggery or jiggerpokery but I am saying that clearly these levels of income affect expectation levels and so they should. I was responding to two posts on perspective, both highlighting the differences that Town fans of different ages may have. My point is that my perspective has changed somewhat since the club has been promoted and received hundreds of millions of pounds with a guaranteed £44M each year for the next three years. The fact is all the money is in the prem . So whilst we are better off than we were , we are not "premier league rich " now we are back down in the championship . The whole idea of the parachute payments was to prevent clubs going bust. I dont think it was so clubs kept all their premier league players . Even with the payments BWFC have shown how easy it is to get into difficulties. Whilst i was disappointed with the last window i totally get where PH is coming from when he talks about 3 windows . And the need to get a large proportion of the high earners off the books . At 250 pound a season ticket x 20000 punters plus an owner who isnt a sheikh anything else is unrealistic We wont have 20k season ticket holders in lg1.. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 29, 2019 15:28:03 GMT 1
The fact is all the money is in the prem . So whilst we are better off than we were , we are not "premier league rich " now we are back down in the championship . The whole idea of the parachute payments was to prevent clubs going bust. I dont think it was so clubs kept all their premier league players . Even with the payments BWFC have shown how easy it is to get into difficulties. Whilst i was disappointed with the last window i totally get where PH is coming from when he talks about 3 windows . And the need to get a large proportion of the high earners off the books . At 250 pound a season ticket x 20000 punters plus an owner who isnt a sheikh anything else is unrealistic We wont have 20k season ticket holders in lg1.. Yup .. whats your point ? |
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Post by drumriggend on Aug 29, 2019 15:53:49 GMT 1
We wont have 20k season ticket holders in lg1.. Yup .. whats your point ? Erm.. Dunno really.. Just saying bro.. I reckon potless phil is taking us on a one way trip to the football wilderness.. |
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Post by royrace on Aug 29, 2019 15:57:33 GMT 1
By trousered I mean collected as income from the PL, I'm certainly not insinuating any skullduggery or jiggerpokery but I am saying that clearly these levels of income affect expectation levels and so they should. I was responding to two posts on perspective, both highlighting the differences that Town fans of different ages may have. My point is that my perspective has changed somewhat since the club has been promoted and received hundreds of millions of pounds with a guaranteed £44M each year for the next three years. The fact is all the money is in the prem . So whilst we are better off than we were , we are not "premier league rich " now we are back down in the championship . The whole idea of the parachute payments was to prevent clubs going bust. I dont think it was so clubs kept all their premier league players . Even with the payments BWFC have shown how easy it is to get into difficulties. Whilst i was disappointed with the last window i totally get where PH is coming from when he talks about 3 windows . And the need to get a large proportion of the high earners off the books . At 250 pound a season ticket x 20000 punters plus an owner who isnt a sheikh anything else is unrealistic But nor should we be in a position where we need to take crap offers for our most influential player and buy players from the German 4th division, league 2 and non league. If we are in that position then we didn't plan correctly IMO. Obvious the terrible transfer business isnt helping but it seems to go beyond what would be considered normal cost cutting measures due to relegation IMO. |
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Post by Sparrow on Aug 29, 2019 16:06:05 GMT 1
We have clearly made some bad decisions, but some of you are so simplifying it. We went up as small fish that had an infrasture you'd expect of a club that had been in the lower leagues for ages and nor did we have any advantages, whether that be finances, connections to super agents, etc. We were therefore going to suffer for any decision that wasn't almost perfect, whilst also having to sort numerous other things that pretty much everyone else had in place for years. We also had to account for likely getting relegated in the near future for the same reason. Don't get me wrong, the recruitment was terrible, especially in the windows after we survived, and the appointment of Siewert lazy. I believe we have made horrendous mistakes basing the whole long term ethos of the club on a manager who was set to depart within 3 years (regardless of wether he was a success or failure). We implemented some sort of Dortmund plan without the infrastructure which supports the highest attended club in world football. We abandoned our academy, without a real alternative a la Brentford . We have a £20m 1st team facility for a playing staff that’s not worth £20m. We have no director of football, CEO or benefactor anymore, and we have a demotivated playing staff of bloated wages. If I was Phil I’d offer someone like David Moyes a five year deal on £300k pa and 25% of the clubs equity. You never know he=might just go for it. We didn't abandon the Academy. We still have an Academy that is actually pretty strong and has some very, very talented footballers in it. We played Burnley U23 this afternoon. The Town team was made up of Mainly 16-19 year olds, with Coleman, Bockhorn, Stankovic and Quaner. 18 Year old Kit Elliot scored Towns goal. In the next few years we will see a lot of real quality coming out of the Academy and making it's way into the first team squad and starting 11. The current squad is clearly worth more than £20m Improvements to Canalside will go along way to attracting and developing players for the first team and Academy. We have a Head of Football Operations. Dean Hoyle is still a Director and 25% stakeholder Yes we are in a bit of shit at the moment, however, not half as bad a picture as you are painting. |
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 29, 2019 16:17:01 GMT 1
I believe we have made horrendous mistakes basing the whole long term ethos of the club on a manager who was set to depart within 3 years (regardless of wether he was a success or failure). We implemented some sort of Dortmund plan without the infrastructure which supports the highest attended club in world football. We abandoned our academy, without a real alternative a la Brentford . We have a £20m 1st team facility for a playing staff that’s not worth £20m. We have no director of football, CEO or benefactor anymore, and we have a demotivated playing staff of bloated wages. If I was Phil I’d offer someone like David Moyes a five year deal on £300k pa and 25% of the clubs equity. You never know he=might just go for it. We didn't abandon the Academy. We still have an Academy that is actually pretty strong and has some very, very talented footballers in it. We played Burnley U23 this afternoon. The Town team was made up of Mainly 16-19 year olds, with Coleman, Bockhorn, Stankovic and Quaner. 18 Year old Kit Elliot scored Towns goal. In the next few years we will see a lot of real quality coming out of the Academy and making it's way into the first team squad and starting 11. The current squad is clearly worth more than £20m Improvements to Canalside will go along way to attracting and developing players for the first team and Academy. We have a Head of Football Operations. Dean Hoyle is still a Director and 25% stakeholder Yes we are in a bit of shit at the moment, however, not half as bad a picture as you are painting. In answer - Tell that to all the kids under 16 that were kicked out - we haven’t got an academy - not saying it was the wrong decision strategically if we had followed say the Brentford route, but our recruitment starts at 16’s. Im sorry but IF WE don’t go up this season we will be lucky to touch that figure when we take into account payments we may have to buy players out of their contracts. Our present Head of football operations vs somebody of the calibre of Webber, don’t make me laugh. DH who’s taking his money out rather than putting it in. Maybe , we will see I sincerely hope you are correct. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 29, 2019 16:17:50 GMT 1
I believe we have made horrendous mistakes basing the whole long term ethos of the club on a manager who was set to depart within 3 years (regardless of wether he was a success or failure). We implemented some sort of Dortmund plan without the infrastructure which supports the highest attended club in world football. We abandoned our academy, without a real alternative a la Brentford . We have a £20m 1st team facility for a playing staff that’s not worth £20m. We have no director of football, CEO or benefactor anymore, and we have a demotivated playing staff of bloated wages. If I was Phil I’d offer someone like David Moyes a five year deal on £300k pa and 25% of the clubs equity. You never know he=might just go for it. We didn't abandon the Academy. We still have an Academy that is actually pretty strong and has some very, very talented footballers in it. We played Burnley U23 this afternoon. The Town team was made up of Mainly 16-19 year olds, with Coleman, Bockhorn, Stankovic and Quaner. 18 Year old Kit Elliot scored Towns goal. In the next few years we will see a lot of real quality coming out of the Academy and making it's way into the first team squad and starting 11. The current squad is clearly worth more than £20m Improvements to Canalside will go along way to attracting and developing players for the first team and Academy. We have a Head of Football Operations. Dean Hoyle is still a Director and 25% stakeholder Yes we are in a bit of shit at the moment, however, not half as bad a picture as you are painting. We're second bottom of the league, the players don't look like they can score, we can't bring in any new recruits for 3 months....how can it not bad? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 29, 2019 16:21:21 GMT 1
By trousered I mean collected as income from the PL, I'm certainly not insinuating any skullduggery or jiggerpokery but I am saying that clearly these levels of income affect expectation levels and so they should. I was responding to two posts on perspective, both highlighting the differences that Town fans of different ages may have. My point is that my perspective has changed somewhat since the club has been promoted and received hundreds of millions of pounds with a guaranteed £44M each year for the next three years. The fact is all the money is in the prem . So whilst we are better off than we were , we are not "premier league rich " now we are back down in the championship . The whole idea of the parachute payments was to prevent clubs going bust. I dont think it was so clubs kept all their premier league players . Even with the payments BWFC have shown how easy it is to get into difficulties. Whilst i was disappointed with the last window i totally get where PH is coming from when he talks about 3 windows . And the need to get a large proportion of the high earners off the books . At 250 pound a season ticket x 20000 punters plus an owner who isnt a sheikh anything else is unrealistic Aside from this brief disclosure. What is your opinion on the situation Ted? You were calling for Seiwerts head, saying you couldn't take to PH but you just seem to be giving out scathing remarks to other posters. Give us the definitive Ted Chips opinion on the disastrous 12 months at Town. Don't hold back. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 29, 2019 16:34:43 GMT 1
The fact is all the money is in the prem . So whilst we are better off than we were , we are not "premier league rich " now we are back down in the championship . The whole idea of the parachute payments was to prevent clubs going bust. I dont think it was so clubs kept all their premier league players . Even with the payments BWFC have shown how easy it is to get into difficulties. Whilst i was disappointed with the last window i totally get where PH is coming from when he talks about 3 windows . And the need to get a large proportion of the high earners off the books . At 250 pound a season ticket x 20000 punters plus an owner who isnt a sheikh anything else is unrealistic Aside from this brief disclosure. What is your opinion on the situation Ted? You were calling for Seiwerts head, saying you couldn't take to PH but you just seem to be giving out scathing remarks to other posters. Give us the definitive Ted Chips opinion on the disastrous 12 months at Town. Don't hold back. Hated Siewert from early on . We should never have gone into this season with him Im still a bit dubious as to why it took so long for PH to pass fit n proper test. (Despite what he said ) We had to massively trim the wage bill or else we will become Bolton That said losing Mooy was gutting . But it appeared to me we did quite well out of it . We were always vulnerable to a late bid. We needed 2 or 3 players but we didnt get them . Not for the want of trying im told and shit happens on deadline day We arent skint and we have a solid base Neither phil or dean are crooks and phil will do his best for us. Although he aint sheikh mohammed The problem is that too many players have losing mentality and dubious attitude But we should do ok if the coach can organise and motivate . No one can be as big a car crash on herr siewert Im not giving out "scathing remarks " im a nice non confrontational man but i accept in type people can come across a little aggressive . But im not Owt else ? |
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Post by Sparrow on Aug 29, 2019 16:45:48 GMT 1
We didn't abandon the Academy. We still have an Academy that is actually pretty strong and has some very, very talented footballers in it. We played Burnley U23 this afternoon. The Town team was made up of Mainly 16-19 year olds, with Coleman, Bockhorn, Stankovic and Quaner. 18 Year old Kit Elliot scored Towns goal. In the next few years we will see a lot of real quality coming out of the Academy and making it's way into the first team squad and starting 11. The current squad is clearly worth more than £20m Improvements to Canalside will go along way to attracting and developing players for the first team and Academy. We have a Head of Football Operations. Dean Hoyle is still a Director and 25% stakeholder Yes we are in a bit of shit at the moment, however, not half as bad a picture as you are painting. In answer - Tell that to all the kids under 16 that were kicked out - we haven’t got an academy - not saying it was the wrong decision strategically if we had followed say the Brentford route, but our recruitment starts at 16’s. Im sorry but IF WE don’t go up this season we will be lucky to touch that figure when we take into account payments we may have to buy players out of their contracts. Our present Head of football operations vs somebody of the calibre of Webber, don’t make me laugh. DH who’s taking his money out rather than putting it in. Maybe , we will see I sincerely hope you are correct. The kids under 16 that were kicked out will get picked up by other clubs if they are good enough....There is a massive amount of Academy scouting going on in Huddersfield, with scouts from Man City right through to York City. There's Academies, Shadow Academies, Pre Academies, Development Centers, Emerging Talent etc etc......OK so ours starts at 16. The point of the Academy is to produce players for the first team. Does it really matter if those players join us at 8 - 15 or 16 - 19?? At the moment, the Academy is one thing that is thriving at Town at the moment. How can you base your opinion on Webb when he's only been here 10 days?? Webber had been at Wrexham, Liverpool, QPR and Wolves before Town. Webb has been at Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton, Palace, Östersunds FK and Millwall, Plus consulted at Bayer Leverkusen Hoffenheim and Real Bettis....Pretty good looking credentials those. Perhaps even better than Webbers at the point he joined Town?? Are you 100% sure Hoyle is taking his money out??? Is he indeed taking money out of the club? Do you have something to prove this, as I've not seen anything that says "Huddersfield Town is repaying Dean Hoyle £XXm" |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 29, 2019 16:58:02 GMT 1
Aside from this brief disclosure. What is your opinion on the situation Ted? You were calling for Seiwerts head, saying you couldn't take to PH but you just seem to be giving out scathing remarks to other posters. Give us the definitive Ted Chips opinion on the disastrous 12 months at Town. Don't hold back. Hated Siewert from early on . We should never have gone into this season with him Im still a bit dubious as to why it took PH to pass fit n proper test. (Despite what he said ) We had to massively trim the wage bill or else we will become Bolton That said losing Mooy was gutting . But it appeared to me we did quite well out of it . We were always vulnerable to a late bid. We needed 2 or 3 players but we didnt get them . Not for the want of trying im told and shit happens on deadline day We arent skint and we have a solid base Neither phil or dean are crooks and phil will do his best for us. Although he aint sheikh mohammed The problem is that too many players have losing mentality and dubious attitude But we should do ok if the coach can organise and motivate . No one can be as big a car crash on herr siewert Im not giving out "scathing remarks " im a nice non confrontational man but i accept in type people can come across a little aggressive . But im not Owt else ? Excellent. The puke comment made me chuckle. Although the fit and proper persons test, given the recent goings on at Bury, seems not to be a water tight endorsement of whether anyone is fit or proper. |
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Post by hthtafs on Aug 29, 2019 17:23:07 GMT 1
In answer - Tell that to all the kids under 16 that were kicked out - we haven’t got an academy - not saying it was the wrong decision strategically if we had followed say the Brentford route, but our recruitment starts at 16’s. Im sorry but IF WE don’t go up this season we will be lucky to touch that figure when we take into account payments we may have to buy players out of their contracts. Our present Head of football operations vs somebody of the calibre of Webber, don’t make me laugh. DH who’s taking his money out rather than putting it in. Maybe , we will see I sincerely hope you are correct. The kids under 16 that were kicked out will get picked up by other clubs if they are good enough....There is a massive amount of Academy scouting going on in Huddersfield, with scouts from Man City right through to York City. There's Academies, Shadow Academies, Pre Academies, Development Centers, Emerging Talent etc etc......OK so ours starts at 16. The point of the Academy is to produce players for the first team. Does it really matter if those players join us at 8 - 15 or 16 - 19?? At the moment, the Academy is one thing that is thriving at Town at the moment. How can you base your opinion on Webb when he's only been here 10 days?? Webber had been at Wrexham, Liverpool, QPR and Wolves before Town. Webb has been at Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton, Palace, Östersunds FK and Millwall, Plus consulted at Bayer Leverkusen Hoffenheim and Real Bettis....Pretty good looking credentials those. Perhaps even better than Webbers at the point he joined Town?? Are you 100% sure Hoyle is taking his money out??? Is he indeed taking money out of the club? Do you have something to prove this, as I've not seen anything that says "Huddersfield Town is repaying Dean Hoyle £XXm" Academies operate 16 and below - We haven’t got one ! The decision to cull it may be right as quite frankly it hasn’t produced a player of real note when compared to our local competitive set Sheff Utd, Boro, Barnsley let alone Leeds. If Hoyle isn’t taking money out directly or indirectly (not saying he isn’t entitled to it) then what has happened to the £45m TV money and £15m transfer fee income this season - wages can not be £60m - if they are then we really are in the shit! |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Aug 29, 2019 17:27:32 GMT 1
The fact is we blew our chance. It's not just one little mistake that's caused it, it's a compendium of compilations of collections of a comedy of errors. - Not addressing our lack of goals in promotion year - Not addressing our lack of goals in the survival year - God awful signings - Changing tactics from 433 to 532 - Lack of natural, positive wingers - Backroom staff - Siewert and his inexcusable inexperience - Mismanagement of club finances - Not keeping enough of the good part of the team together - Promoting / retaining deadwood - Continually trying the same failed tactics over and over again - Going into a season without a single recognised left backI'm confident people on here could add to this sizeable list. The club is in free fall, you reap what you sow; and we sowed a League One batch of melons. Best we can hope for is to delve in to the free agent market, cancel more deadwood contracts and slowly rebuild with a new manager. The premiership should have been our trampoline but has ended up being our quicksand but only because we made it that way. I'm not going to argue with the rest of your post, but this one does get my goat. Again and again people cite this but it's not true. Who played left back last Saturday? Jaden Brown, an England U-somethingorother ex-Tottenham left back. He'll be our LB and he looks very promising. It's completely untrue to say that we went into the season " without a single recognised left back" |
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Post by PellonTerrier on Aug 29, 2019 17:35:12 GMT 1
The kids under 16 that were kicked out will get picked up by other clubs if they are good enough....There is a massive amount of Academy scouting going on in Huddersfield, with scouts from Man City right through to York City. There's Academies, Shadow Academies, Pre Academies, Development Centers, Emerging Talent etc etc......OK so ours starts at 16. The point of the Academy is to produce players for the first team. Does it really matter if those players join us at 8 - 15 or 16 - 19?? At the moment, the Academy is one thing that is thriving at Town at the moment. How can you base your opinion on Webb when he's only been here 10 days?? Webber had been at Wrexham, Liverpool, QPR and Wolves before Town. Webb has been at Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton, Palace, Östersunds FK and Millwall, Plus consulted at Bayer Leverkusen Hoffenheim and Real Bettis....Pretty good looking credentials those. Perhaps even better than Webbers at the point he joined Town?? Are you 100% sure Hoyle is taking his money out??? Is he indeed taking money out of the club? Do you have something to prove this, as I've not seen anything that says "Huddersfield Town is repaying Dean Hoyle £XXm" Academies operate 16 and below - We haven’t got one ! The decision to cull it may be right as quite frankly it hasn’t produced a player of real note when compared to our local competitive set Sheff Utd, Boro, Barnsley let alone Leeds. If Hoyle isn’t taking money out directly or indirectly (not saying he isn’t entitled to it) then what has happened to the £45m TV money and £15m transfer fee income this season - wages can not be £60m - if they are then we really are in the shit! Just because we haven't rushed out to spend £20 million in transfer fees doesn't mean its not there |
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