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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 26, 2019 9:03:33 GMT 1
Got to agree with Mole Smooth on this.
What Wagner achieved can never be underestimated and will never be forgotten. The style, presence, unity and togetherness was quite magical and a once in a lifetime moment.
That’s finished, we have had a managerial blip, we move on to the next chapter.
Some fans lauding the return of the ‘Wagner’ style are clinging on to the past, hoping for the same stars to align of 3 years ago. This isn’t going to happen.
We need a new plan, a different formula and a total change.
Hopefully a new manager will put in place new ideas.
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 26, 2019 18:05:36 GMT 1
Got to agree with Mole Smooth on this. What Wagner achieved can never be underestimated and will never be forgotten. The style, presence, unity and togetherness was quite magical and a once in a lifetime moment. That’s finished, we have had a managerial blip, we move on to the next chapter. Some fans lauding the return of the ‘Wagner’ style are clinging on to the past, hoping for the same stars to align of 3 years ago. This isn’t going to happen. We need a new plan, a different formula and a total change. Hopefully a new manager will put in place new ideas. Odd comments. We find a plan that works and we do very well. We deviate from that, play a different style, and do very badly. But we shouldn’t go back to the plan that worked very well. Very fucking odd. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 26, 2019 18:07:15 GMT 1
It seems exactly like the style that the current league leaders of the Championship are using.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 26, 2019 18:12:35 GMT 1
Trying to make some sense of this current malaise is in fact very difficult. But it occurred to me that we seem to have ended up with a group of disjointed players and its almost impossible to find a style that they can play to. Long ball doesn't work to Grant, wingers don't work because they are all terribly poor, wing backs doesn't work because none of them can cross the ball accurately enough. High press doesn't work any more because we don't have Mooy bossing the middle of the park. I mean, what style could you get these players to perform well in. easy to say now, but we dropped a bollock shipping out Ince and Lolley for the two oxygen thieves that replaced them.
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Post by oldrain on Aug 26, 2019 18:14:04 GMT 1
One touch football played at pace passing to player wearing the same shirt as you shoot as often as you can it’s a simple game UTT
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Aug 26, 2019 19:53:54 GMT 1
Got to agree with Mole Smooth on this. What Wagner achieved can never be underestimated and will never be forgotten. The style, presence, unity and togetherness was quite magical and a once in a lifetime moment. That’s finished, we have had a managerial blip, we move on to the next chapter. Some fans lauding the return of the ‘Wagner’ style are clinging on to the past, hoping for the same stars to align of 3 years ago. This isn’t going to happen. We need a new plan, a different formula and a total change. Hopefully a new manager will put in place new ideas. Odd comments. We find a plan that works and we do very well. We deviate from that, play a different style, and do very badly. But we shouldn’t go back to the plan that worked very well. Very fucking odd. We didn’t find that particular plan. We found a man who had that plan. HTFC didn’t invent that plan. The man who did moved on. We need to move on or we will forever be looking for that bloody plan. |
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Post by El Mel on Aug 26, 2019 20:07:11 GMT 1
Odd comments. We find a plan that works and we do very well. We deviate from that, play a different style, and do very badly. But we shouldn’t go back to the plan that worked very well. Very fucking odd. We didn’t find that particular plan. We found a man who had that plan. HTFC didn’t invent that plan. The man who did moved on. We need to move on or we will forever be looking for that bloody plan. Wagner can be summed up with two words. No limits That defined our success, and fair play to him, it worked with unbelievable success. It's gone now though. We need to move on to something else. |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 26, 2019 20:27:04 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle says rubbish signings nothing to do with him, pushes blame onto Wagner who "had final say in all signings", so says Mr Smooth off the internet so it must be true. Also Wagner still to blame for team's inability to score open goals, despite the fact he left nearly a year ago, this from Mr Smooth off the internet so again must be true. Fuck you on about man?? Dean Hoyle said a couple of weeks ago that Wagner had the final say on signings, it's on the podcast that TTC Matt does with Kosi, and Neil. It's true, because it exists in the real world, go and find the podcast and have a listen. And yes, we are still trying to play in the style that Wagner brought to us, with by and large the squad that he assembled. Have you ever heard the saying "If you keep doing the same things, you'll keep getting the same results"? It's only my opinion you know, it may be right, it may be wrong. I know one thing for sure though, any fan of this club that thinks we didn't have an issue scoring goals under Wagner, is an idiot. When did I say Hoyle didn't say that? How do you think it works? Do you think Wagner scouted and recommended these players to Hoyle? Course he didn't. So Hoyle says Wagner had the final say. And what exactly is Wagner meant to say when Hoyle presents him with a player the DOF has convinced Hoyle is worth £20m including wages? What is he meant to say? He hasn't seen the players, he's probably only seen the You Tube highlights the same as the clowns that convinced Hoyle to get him in the first place. It's totally irrelevant that Wagner gave the final ok. It was a done deal by then. As proven by the fact Wagner refused to play them as they weren't PL standard. Your last point is irrelevant as I've never said we didn't have an issue scoring under Wagner, in fact quite the reverse if you read what I've said. |
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Aug 26, 2019 20:27:33 GMT 1
We didn’t find that particular plan. We found a man who had that plan. HTFC didn’t invent that plan. The man who did moved on. We need to move on or we will forever be looking for that bloody plan. Wagner can be summed up with two words. No limits That defined our success, and fair play to him, it worked with unbelievable success. It's gone now though. We need to move on to something else. Glad I've finally convinced you Wagner wasn't such a disaster after all. |
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