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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 2, 2019 20:15:11 GMT 1
Ben, I wholeheartedly agree with the thrust of your post (and have great respect for you as a poster). However what is the easiest way to lose unity and respect? I'd suggest it's to tell people one thing and do another. PH hasn't done himself any favours at all (although I suspect he's been dealt a bad hand). What's he said exactly Andy which leads you to the conclusion he is duplicitous? IF this WAS proved to be the case (and I'm not convinced myself) then I would still ask the question " how exactly is all this" toxicity" (Sorry Jello) helping our club fight what increasingly looks like a relegation struggle "? So I'm with the scrawny lad who never sings on this one Ted, I agree with your second point so will not stir up all the areas where I feel the club have not been entirely open with the supporter base. They primarily concern our future finances (set up for 10 years), the one in one out on transfers, the support (unjustifiable but there nonetheless) for Jan prior to his swift exit, Mooy's contract etc. (& unfortunately) etc. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 2, 2019 20:19:36 GMT 1
What's he said exactly Andy which leads you to the conclusion he is duplicitous? IF this WAS proved to be the case (and I'm not convinced myself) then I would still ask the question " how exactly is all this" toxicity" (Sorry Jello) helping our club fight what increasingly looks like a relegation struggle "? So I'm with the scrawny lad who never sings on this one Ted, I agree with your second point so will not stir up all the areas where I feel the club have not been entirely open with the supporter base. They primarily concern our future finances (set up for 10 years), the one in one out on transfers, the support (unjustifiable but there nonetheless) for Jan prior to his swift exit, Mooy's contract etc. (& unfortunately) etc. So just using one example, you think PH was duplicitous in backing the manager? What else was he supposed to say? Has there ever been a chairman ever who has said publicly " not sure about the manager I'll give him four games" |
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Post by King Curtis on Sept 2, 2019 20:20:53 GMT 1
As always with Town fans, everything is so black and white. Players are either brilliant or shit, mostly decided within 5 minutes with no opportunity for a turnaround. So it's seemingly the same with owners. Dean Hoyle is the messiah who cannot be questioned, whereas Phil Hodgkinson is the anti christ...mainly because he's a) not Dean Hoyle and b) folk cant find out on google what he's worth. Obviously absolutely no space for any grey area between the two camps. The witchunt is beyond a fucking joke now. Yes PH has said stuff he probably shouldn't have but DH is far more responsible for the current predicament than PH yet we've got folk on the verge of scraping at games about it all and are probably only 2 or 3 games away from having an angry mob outside the main entrance wanting to lynch PH following another defeat. I'm as pissed off as anyone about the current circus but its not purely (ole!) the fault of 1 man. As hard as it seems we need to pull together or else all we'll do is massively contribute ourselves to dragging the club down to L1. Stuff like oleing goals during the warm ups and constantly singing how shit must you be we've scored a goal can only be a hindrance, not a help. I must admit that I know nothing about PP - either as a person or what his finances are and to be fair I really don't think everything is his fault by any stretch of the imagination. He wasn't at the club when the worst possible decisions were made - that is appoint,Siewert and sign some of the shite that we did - the main reasons for our demise and current predicament in my opinion. Lets give the bloke a fair chance because to be honest it wouldn't matter how much money I had or how much I love Town I wouldn't want to be Chairman - we are all good Chairmen with someone else's money and we all make great decisions when they don't matter at all because we are not involved - but being the person who has the final say on the hopes of us as supporters and those directly employed and rely on a wage is reality and a responsibility that I wouldn't want. Fingers crossed that the tide turns for him and that he appoints a good manager and results start to go our way. Have some decency and refer to him as PH then. |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 2, 2019 20:25:40 GMT 1
It’s just becoming a witch hunt now, a complete character assassination based on rumour and bullshit rather than sensible balanced debate on the matter. This club in the last, what, 4 years? Has been built by unity, togetherness and respect. In the last 12 months, it’s all fallen apart. Nobody is pulling in the same direction, everyone’s expecting defeat, there’s no unity, no bond, nothing. Then to add to that, folk starting rumours and creating hear say based on nothing only fuels the complete fucking mess we are already in. And whilst all this is happening, those deluded wankers down the m621 have got their shit together. They’ve all got the unity we had as a fan base with a manager who they’ve all bought into and any c*** who doesn’t agree with it has been fucked off in a breath (Janson for example). We’ve seen players like Zanka and Billing go who have all been, as stated by PH and DH, disruptive, binned off, the fact billing apologised to DH says a lot and VLP who was shipped off to a bang average Boro side by Wagner because he was becoming disruptive has now been sold because he’s not got the stomach for the fight. There’s a complete loss of trust. Posts like above may be funny to some but to me it’s just uncalled for, rather than being c**** about it we could just let the dust settle and wait to see who the new manager is, all pull together for Sheffield Wednesday or we can keep turning against each other and Phil. If this is the case, isn't it a little odd that he started our last match? To me no, the best team was picked to win that game. Butterfield played against Fulham yet refused to travel initially. He was sold. Dean was the owner then and nobody questioned it. |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 2, 2019 20:28:51 GMT 1
This club in the last, what, 4 years? Has been built by unity, togetherness and respect. In the last 12 months, it’s all fallen apart. Nobody is pulling in the same direction, everyone’s expecting defeat, there’s no unity, no bond, nothing. Ben, I wholeheartedly agree with the thrust of your post (and have great respect for you as a poster). However what is the easiest way to lose unity and respect? I'd suggest it's to tell people one thing and do another. PH hasn't done himself any favours at all (although I suspect he's been dealt a bad hand). I understand where you’re coming from but the trust and unity at town was lost before PH took over, it started even before Dean fell ill. PH biggest mistake was hosting that Q&A or at the very least, saying as much as he did. You have to earn the right to say that much, a bit like Dean did. I believe and have seen no evidence to suggest Phil has said one thing and done another. Our problems were never going to be fixed in the space of 3/4 months. |
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Post by htfcsince70 on Sept 2, 2019 22:41:47 GMT 1
I must admit that I know nothing about PP - either as a person or what his finances are and to be fair I really don't think everything is his fault by any stretch of the imagination. He wasn't at the club when the worst possible decisions were made - that is appoint,Siewert and sign some of the shite that we did - the main reasons for our demise and current predicament in my opinion. Lets give the bloke a fair chance because to be honest it wouldn't matter how much money I had or how much I love Town I wouldn't want to be Chairman - we are all good Chairmen with someone else's money and we all make great decisions when they don't matter at all because we are not involved - but being the person who has the final say on the hopes of us as supporters and those directly employed and rely on a wage is reality and a responsibility that I wouldn't want. Fingers crossed that the tide turns for him and that he appoints a good manager and results start to go our way. Have some decency and refer to him as PH then. Apologies that was a genuine mistake - I did mean PH - a lesson not to post in haste and to read back the message. |
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Post by aideybabes on Sept 3, 2019 7:24:50 GMT 1
On here. A quick search suggests it was aideybabes May 5th 7:33am in the thread CLUB SOLD ! Maybe he can tell more.  Full text:- Totally understand Dean selling and as for what he’s done for the club in the ten years of his ownership, well the guy will never have to buy a pint again in Huddersfield but it would appear our new chairman is potless would it not? People go on about parachute payments but they don’t last for ever and what happens when that runs out? Something doesn’t stack up right for me with the new guy. Not writing him off already but I’d expect someone who buys a football club to have a bit more financial clout on paper like. That said i wouldn’t mind being a few thousand behind him. Have i missed something here chap? |
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Post by artysid on Sept 3, 2019 9:18:31 GMT 1
On here. A quick search suggests it was aideybabes May 5th 7:33am in the thread CLUB SOLD ! Maybe he can tell more. Full text:- Totally understand Dean selling and as for what he’s done for the club in the ten years of his ownership, well the guy will never have to buy a pint again in Huddersfield but it would appear our new chairman is potless would it not? People go on about parachute payments but they don’t last for ever and what happens when that runs out? Something doesn’t stack up right for me with the new guy. Not writing him off already but I’d expect someone who buys a football club to have a bit more financial clout on paper like. That said i wouldn’t mind being a few thousand behind him. Have i missed something here chap? The question was, Who was the first person to refer to the Chairman as "potless" on DATM ? |
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Post by Uddersfield on Sept 3, 2019 9:28:03 GMT 1
What did Southport fans actually say about PH when he became chairman?
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