buckers
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Post by buckers on Sept 3, 2019 11:53:41 GMT 1
It's an interesting question isn't it? We all know that DH is a fan. He is however a fan with a unique insight into how the club finds itself in it's current predicament. For very good reasons he chose to step away as major shareholder. He must have had expectations of how things would work out ? Perhaps he genuinely thought things weren't too bad and would quickly stabilise in the Championship. The question is what might he be thinking now? I suspect he is probably positive that PH will turn it round, although I also wonder if he is now beginning to have doubts. It's important to remember he only has 25% say now, and 25% is in the grand scheme of things pretty worthless. I suspect most fans think either consciously or not that "it's ok, Dean will step in". I don't think that is likely to happen, more likely PH sells on than that...but he could only sell 75%. Who'd have thought we'd end up in such a mess so quickly? It is simple. We got relegated and it was time to move on. The club had been up for sale for some years. Dean became seriously ill and was not at the tiller in any way for almost 5 months. Family first. The consortiums interested were not seen as reliable or fit and proper and they did not match the valuations, Hodgkinson offered a better alternative thought Hoyle. How has he financed this is my main concern. A buy-out financed and paid for by future earnings is my guess. Not ideal in any way shape or form if the case. I speculate...but i reckon my hunch is correct. If you’re right we are up the creek. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Sept 3, 2019 12:47:02 GMT 1
Bottom line in Hoyles case is surely when it comes down to money = BUSINESSMAN FIRST --- TOWN FAN SECOND as many would expect
No point going on about all the money the club made in the premier league seasons as all that surely belongs to Hoyle as sole owner
Phil starts from scratch with whatever he has invested like Hoyle had to do ,but sadly he seems to have inherited a squad mainly made up of the ongoing badly failed shite players which i feel cost far far far far more than they were worth.
Towns dreadful form might state none of the retained first team players that we see on the field today were never premier league quality ,and some would even say that most in the winless second to bottom team are not even championship quality.
What is important is that someone in the club makes funds available in January just what now seems for the club to avoid relegation
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 3, 2019 14:21:17 GMT 1
It is simple. We got relegated and it was time to move on. The club had been up for sale for some years. Dean became seriously ill and was not at the tiller in any way for almost 5 months. Family first. The consortiums interested were not seen as reliable or fit and proper and they did not match the valuations, Hodgkinson offered a better alternative thought Hoyle. How has he financed this is my main concern. A buy-out financed and paid for by future earnings is my guess. Not ideal in any way shape or form if the case. I speculate...but i reckon my hunch is correct. If you’re right we are up the creek. Seen it before. A business you cannot readily sell (or needing a quick sale) taken on with a management buy-out where the owner gets largely paid out from future earnings. |
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Post by hedgehog17 on Sept 5, 2019 22:17:03 GMT 1
Bottom line in Hoyles case is surely when it comes down to money = BUSINESSMAN FIRST --- TOWN FAN SECOND as many would expect No point going on about all the money the club made in the premier league seasons as all that surely belongs to Hoyle as sole owner Phil starts from scratch with whatever he has invested like Hoyle had to do ,but sadly he seems to have inherited a squad mainly made up of the ongoing badly failed shite players which i feel cost far far far far more than they were worth. Towns dreadful form might state none of the retained first team players that we see on the field today were never premier league quality ,and some would even say that most in the winless second to bottom team are not even championship quality. What is important is that someone in the club makes funds available in January just what now seems for the club to avoid relegation Agree except for one point, Phil went public saying he had the money to take the club forward. i dont expect anyone to put their life savings into a club, i wouldnt, but dont say things you are not serious about doing. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 5, 2019 22:47:46 GMT 1
Bottom line in Hoyles case is surely when it comes down to money = BUSINESSMAN FIRST --- TOWN FAN SECOND as many would expect No point going on about all the money the club made in the premier league seasons as all that surely belongs to Hoyle as sole owner Phil starts from scratch with whatever he has invested like Hoyle had to do ,but sadly he seems to have inherited a squad mainly made up of the ongoing badly failed shite players which i feel cost far far far far more than they were worth. Towns dreadful form might state none of the retained first team players that we see on the field today were never premier league quality ,and some would even say that most in the winless second to bottom team are not even championship quality. What is important is that someone in the club makes funds available in January just what now seems for the club to avoid relegation Agree except for one point, Phil went public saying he had the money to take the club forward. i dont expect anyone to put their life savings into a club, i wouldnt, but dont say things you are not serious about doing. Not sure Phil actually said it was 'his money'. The make up of a new board might be a clue? |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 5, 2019 22:48:34 GMT 1
He wants his £60m back and he will get it back. Quicker he gets it back and we move on the better now.
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Post by Manx Terrier on Sept 6, 2019 6:14:32 GMT 1
I wish people would realize that it would be no different if Hoyle still owned 100% of the club. They have to get the wage bill down fast and that is what is happening. It is horrible to watch the team get torn apart but if we want to use the parachute payments for investment instead of paying over inflated contracts we have no choice but to get them out quick. Just hope we can stay up while this happens. By not selling to anyone with a lot of cash any surplus income will go to repaying Dean and will not be invested. Thought this was obvious. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 6, 2019 8:49:29 GMT 1
Watched the playoff final last night, and all I could think when watching Dean Hoyle collapse to his kness was him thinking I’m getting my money back. Someone quoted on social media ( an opposing fan) why give him so much air time he’s just happy cause he’s won the premier league money lottery (not the club) I laughed at his post as I thought the bloke had HTFC in his blood maybe he was right.
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Post by Amigo on Sept 6, 2019 9:01:06 GMT 1
Watched the playoff final last night, and all I could think when watching Dean Hoyle collapse to his kness was him thinking I’m getting my money back. Someone quoted on social media ( an opposing fan) why give him so much air time he’s just happy cause he’s won the premier league money lottery (not the club) I laughed at his post as I thought the bloke had HTFC in his blood maybe he was right. Jesus fucking christ.... |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 6, 2019 9:36:57 GMT 1
Watched the playoff final last night, and all I could think when watching Dean Hoyle collapse to his kness was him thinking I’m getting my money back. Someone quoted on social media ( an opposing fan) why give him so much air time he’s just happy cause he’s won the premier league money lottery (not the club) I laughed at his post as I thought the bloke had HTFC in his blood maybe he was right. Let's look at an alternative & very plausible scenario shall we... Schindler misses that pen & Reading go on to win in sudden death. We continue in the Championship but don't reach those dizzy heights again. Dean Hoyle gets ill (that was something that's not going to have changed in this scenario). The club loses its steer, but doesn't have all the PL money sloshing about. How does DH get his money back if this had happened, that promotion was never guaranteed? Viable option for a buyer? Would have been a much lower valuation in this scenario. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 6, 2019 9:43:14 GMT 1
Watched the playoff final last night, and all I could think when watching Dean Hoyle collapse to his kness was him thinking I’m getting my money back. Someone quoted on social media ( an opposing fan) why give him so much air time he’s just happy cause he’s won the premier league money lottery (not the club) I laughed at his post as I thought the bloke had HTFC in his blood maybe he was right. Don’t let social media destroy that day for you. Dean Hoyle is as much a Town fan as me and you. He fell to his knees for the same reason I did. An emotional and unbelievable victory. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 6, 2019 12:19:12 GMT 1
Watched the playoff final last night, and all I could think when watching Dean Hoyle collapse to his kness was him thinking I’m getting my money back. Someone quoted on social media ( an opposing fan) why give him so much air time he’s just happy cause he’s won the premier league money lottery (not the club) I laughed at his post as I thought the bloke had HTFC in his blood maybe he was right. Don’t let social media destroy that day for you. Dean Hoyle is as much a Town fan as me and you. He fell to his knees for the same reason I did. An emotional and unbelievable victory. Your right thankyou. Sometimes wise words are spoken on this forum. Just frustrated at this moment of time. |
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