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Post by Mecha Corte on Sept 7, 2019 13:31:12 GMT 1
Slag the club off?! š Iāve been observing and giving various opinions, both positive and negative over the months and years, here and elsewhere as Iāve watched Town for 50 years...but please keep on trying to prove your disingenuous point šš“ The usual suspects will hound you mate, some peeps dont tolerate different opinions on here. But yet 31,000 posts later you're still carrying on with your act unhindered Nicholas ? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 13:33:27 GMT 1
So whatās your moan? Said working on five deals, brought five in that youāve listed. Then Mooy went....and in came Chalobah in a 1 in 1 out move despite the lateness in the window. Then VLP went and we canāt bring anyone in until January because of the illegal restraint of trade that the transfer market enforces blocking free movement of workers throughout Europe. What more could they do. Is the real complaint that the players arenāt as good as you expected? Thatās always the risk, we spent tens of millions last year doing the exact same thing, so it could be argued this summer window has already been an improvement on that, especially as we donāt really know how these players will turn out yet...looks to me an ok choice...Elphick replaces Zanka and slots above Stankovic so we have proven quality at this level to step in. Brown seems like he wonāt be any worse than Lowe to any significant degree, and be better, Chalobah whilst different has already shown plenty of goal threat both directly and indirectly. Grabera is a more than adequate replacement for a keeper that wanted out...definitely a better shot stopper. That looks a pretty good hit rate so far. The reason for my post was in relation to the fact that the poster I quoted continues his aggressive stance that we didn't have time to bring replacements in, which is not true imo. Regardless of that, three of the signings we've made are deemed not good enough to start (the Brown I'm referring to is Reece, not Jaden) and after last years disastrous transfer dealings the last thing we needed was to be signing players with potential. We needed and still need players for the here and now! Ah right, Iām quoting the wrong person I guess. I thought you were saying, āwe were told working on 5....we signed 5...we were lied toā ! It did seem bizarre...apologies! |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 7, 2019 13:42:11 GMT 1
The reason for my post was in relation to the fact that the poster I quoted continues his aggressive stance that we didn't have time to bring replacements in, which is not true imo. Regardless of that, three of the signings we've made are deemed not good enough to start (the Brown I'm referring to is Reece, not Jaden) and after last years disastrous transfer dealings the last thing we needed was to be signing players with potential. We needed and still need players for the here and now! Ah right, Iām quoting the wrong person I guess. I thought you were saying, āwe were told working on 5....we signed 5...we were lied toā ! It did seem bizarre...apologies! No problems mate. My and other's issues are that Billing, the last of the three sales before the transfer window shut was sold ten days before the deadline, so the statement that had been made saying we didn't have time to bring others in is incorrect. |
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Post by Wingman on Sept 7, 2019 13:42:22 GMT 1
Wow another thready on this boring boring yawnfest subject ! Itās dragging on but not boring, this is a key appointment for our club. Get it wrong and it could set us back years! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 13:50:33 GMT 1
Ah right, Iām quoting the wrong person I guess. I thought you were saying, āwe were told working on 5....we signed 5...we were lied toā ! It did seem bizarre...apologies! No problems mate. My and other's issues are that Billing, the last of the three sales before the transfer window shut was sold ten days before the deadline, so the statement that had been made saying we didn't have time to bring others in is incorrect. Thatās one view of Billing. I read or heard a comment that those players like Billing etc who hadnāt been playing werenāt really considered as part of the first team plans so wouldnāt be directly replaced...there was some comment about bringing the overall squad size down. As it happens, Chalobah is probably a cross between Billing and Mooy. A manager who can get the best of him is what we need...and hopefully Bacuna and Hogg can come along for the ride and get back to previous highs rather than playing the every man for himself system weāve been doing, |
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Post by specialun on Sept 7, 2019 14:25:01 GMT 1
I will get behind the manager...
I just hope you all realise how incredible the job Wagner did & how hard a job the previous manager had, caretaker has and the new manager will have with the poor squad and significant lack of investment in the summer
Lower your expectations from the nonsense of top 6 finishes - this is a relegation fight
As for the chairman, the ball is in his court but Incant suddenly hide the terrible start - I donāt just mean results
This is a huge appointment for him - if he gets it wrong heās no way back from fans dropping away in thousands
If we stay up heās got a lifeline
He will then be judged by most on how his 3 window transfer window transition goes. Hopefully number 2 & 3 are vastly improved on number 1... they have to be
But for me itās more about
1. being honest
2. being realistic
3. his actions matching his words
4. donāt take the fans for granted
5. donāt try to present yourself as something youāre not - weād rather hear it as it is
6. Donāt tell me what positions youāve agreed certain players play - not your job
7. Keep the HOF ops more than 5 months and let him do his job
8. Support the HOF / head coach in the January window with funds for championship quality players
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Post by oldrain on Sept 7, 2019 14:54:00 GMT 1
Whoever it is if they run down the touch line and hit Gary Skunk right on the end of his big pointed chin that would do for me at the moment UTT
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 7, 2019 15:01:43 GMT 1
I will get behind the manager... I just hope you all realise how incredible the job Wagner did & how hard a job the previous manager had, caretaker has and the new manager will have with the poor squad and significant lack of investment in the summer Lower your expectations from the nonsense of top 6 finishes - this is a relegation fight As for the chairman, the ball is in his court but Incant suddenly hide the terrible start - I donāt just mean results This is a huge appointment for him - if he gets it wrong heās no way back from fans dropping away in thousands If we stay up heās got a lifeline He will then be judged by most on how his 3 window transfer window transition goes. Hopefully number 2 & 3 are vastly improved on number 1... they have to be But for me itās more about 1. being honest 2. being realistic 3. his actions matching his words 4. donāt take the fans for granted 5. donāt try to present yourself as something youāre not - weād rather hear it as it is 6. Donāt tell me what positions youāve agreed certain players play - not your job 7. Keep the HOF ops more than 5 months and let him do his job 8. Support the HOF / head coach in the January window with funds for championship quality players To be honest the Cowley's would be a brilliant appointment especially as we have said we are aiming for three window transition. We have brought in the young lads from league one and two who they should be familiar with and we are at the beginning of a rebuild. It should be perfect timing for them |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 7, 2019 15:09:47 GMT 1
No problems mate. My and other's issues are that Billing, the last of the three sales before the transfer window shut was sold ten days before the deadline, so the statement that had been made saying we didn't have time to bring others in is incorrect. . I read or heard a comment that those players like Billing etc who hadnāt been playing werenāt really considered as part of the first team plans so wouldnāt be directly replaced...there was some comment about bringing the overall squad size down. As it happens, Chalobah is probably a cross between Billing and Mooy. A manager who can get the best of him is what we need...and hopefully Bacuna and Hogg can come along for the ride and get back to previous highs rather than playing the every man for himself system weāve been doing, The comment isn't specifically about Billing, its to do with the fact that he was sold for a record amount ten days before the window shut, thus giving us money & allowing us time to strengthen in whatever areas we deemed fit. Chalobah, who looks a fine player, was brought in when we loaned Mooy out but nobody can realistically argue that we aren't lacking in strength in certain departments. The whole point of my commenting on this is that Galpharm repeatedly claims there wasn't time to strengthen, which is wrong imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 15:21:04 GMT 1
Thatās one view of Billing. I read or heard a comment that those players like Billing etc who hadnāt been playing werenāt really considered as part of the first team plans so wouldnāt be directly replaced...there was some comment about bringing the overall squad size down. As it happens, Chalobah is probably a cross between Billing and Mooy. A manager who can get the best of him is what we need...and hopefully Bacuna and Hogg can come along for the ride and get back to previous highs rather than playing the every man for himself system weāve been doing, The comment isn't specifically about Billing, its to do with the fact that he was sold for a record amount ten days before the window shut, thus giving us money & allowing us time to strengthen in whatever areas we deemed fit. Chalobah, who looks a fine player, was brought in when we loaned Mooy out but nobody can realistically argue that we aren't lacking in strength in certain departments. The whole point of my commenting on this is that Galpharm repeatedly claims there wasn't time to strengthen, which is wrong imo. There was time to āstrengthenā but we havenāt looked to strengthen, weāve looked to maintain a squad. Strengthening would have meant creating a huge squad of extra players and carrying a load of players who want out or we want rid of. We have to transition the squad to be a Championship squad, not layering a Championship squad on top of a bunch of spurious hangers on. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 7, 2019 15:48:19 GMT 1
The comment isn't specifically about Billing, its to do with the fact that he was sold for a record amount ten days before the window shut, thus giving us money & allowing us time to strengthen in whatever areas we deemed fit. Chalobah, who looks a fine player, was brought in when we loaned Mooy out but nobody can realistically argue that we aren't lacking in strength in certain departments. The whole point of my commenting on this is that Galpharm repeatedly claims there wasn't time to strengthen, which is wrong imo. There was time to āstrengthenā but we havenāt looked to strengthen, weāve looked to maintain a squad. Strengthening would have meant creating a huge squad of extra players and carrying a load of players who want out or we want rid of. We have to transition the squad to be a Championship squad, not layering a Championship squad on top of a bunch of spurious hangers on. Sorry but that's simply not true. We released Lossl, Williams, Durm, Depoitre & Payne and several younger players, at which time we were told we didn't need to sell any players. Since then we've either sold or loaned out Lowe, Smith, Billing, Zanka, Sabiri , Mooy, VLP & Hamer. Only three of those left after the EFL deadline. We've brought in Grabara, Brockorn, Elphick, Brown, Koroma, Chalobah and Campbell. Mbenza was already here but we'll include him as his permanent signing wasn't until 1st July. That's 13 out and 8 in if you include Mbenza. That's hardly creating a huge squad of extra players and particularly as at least half of those will be on far less money that their predecessors would have been on if they'd stayed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 15:58:20 GMT 1
There was time to āstrengthenā but we havenāt looked to strengthen, weāve looked to maintain a squad. Strengthening would have meant creating a huge squad of extra players and carrying a load of players who want out or we want rid of. We have to transition the squad to be a Championship squad, not layering a Championship squad on top of a bunch of spurious hangers on. Sorry but that's simply not true. We released Lossl, Williams, Durm, Depoitre & Payne and several younger players, at which time we were told we didn't need to sell any players. Since then we've either sold or loaned out Lowe, Smith, Billing, Zanka, Sabiri , Mooy, VLP & Hamer. Only three of those left after the EFL deadline. We've brought in Grabara, Brockorn, Elphick, Brown, Koroma, Chalobah and Campbell. Mbenza was already here but we'll include him as his permanent signing wasn't until 1st July. That's 13 out and 8 in if you include Mbenza. That's hardly creating a huge squad of extra players and particularly as at least half of those will be on far less money that their predecessors would have been on if they'd stayed. But of those you can scratch... Williams, Depoitre, Payne, Billing, Zanka, Sabiri, Hamer, Durm and several younger players who were not ever going to be considered part of this years first team squad. They were never going to be āreplacedā. Weāve brought players in youāve mentioned...thatās the squad. Weāre in the Championship. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 7, 2019 16:10:10 GMT 1
Sorry but that's simply not true. We released Lossl, Williams, Durm, Depoitre & Payne and several younger players, at which time we were told we didn't need to sell any players. Since then we've either sold or loaned out Lowe, Smith, Billing, Zanka, Sabiri , Mooy, VLP & Hamer. Only three of those left after the EFL deadline. We've brought in Grabara, Brockorn, Elphick, Brown, Koroma, Chalobah and Campbell. Mbenza was already here but we'll include him as his permanent signing wasn't until 1st July. That's 13 out and 8 in if you include Mbenza. That's hardly creating a huge squad of extra players and particularly as at least half of those will be on far less money that their predecessors would have been on if they'd stayed. But of those you can scratch... Williams, Depoitre, Payne, Billing, Zanka, Sabiri, Hamer, Durm and several younger players who were not ever going to be considered part of this years first team squad. They were never going to be āreplacedā. Weāve brought players in youāve mentioned...thatās the squad. Weāre in the Championship. You're not getting it that both Winter and Hodgkinson said we didn't need to sell any players. Our costs had already been cut to suit our cloth before the we brought in Ā£20m plus in player sales. Other than that Siewert was a crap manager, there's a reason why we're where we are and that's our appalling lack of goals, Other than signing a free agent after the deadline we've done nothing to address that. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 7, 2019 16:12:10 GMT 1
Maybe we are planning for division one ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 16:20:57 GMT 1
Maybe we are planning for division one ? Three windows were mentioned, so the rot runs deep, is how I read the situation. Iād say if the chairman is worth his salt then he WOULD definitely be planning for division one. Doesnāt mean he expects us to do the double, but planning for all outcomes is basic and sensible. Just look how many times it happens, itās a pattern. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 16:22:15 GMT 1
But of those you can scratch... Williams, Depoitre, Payne, Billing, Zanka, Sabiri, Hamer, Durm and several younger players who were not ever going to be considered part of this years first team squad. They were never going to be āreplacedā. Weāve brought players in youāve mentioned...thatās the squad. Weāre in the Championship. You're not getting it that both Winter and Hodgkinson said we didn't need to sell any players. Our costs had already been cut to suit our cloth before the we brought in Ā£20m plus in player sales. Other than that Siewert was a crap manager, there's a reason why we're where we are and that's our appalling lack of goals, Other than signing a free agent after the deadline we've done nothing to address that. We didnāt NEED to sell players other than the ones that were discounted from the squad. All thatās left is Mooy (and we canāt really stop a player wanting to leave to an EPL club although personally Iād have preferred him to to be sold rather than loaned...) who weāve replaced. And VLP who obviously left after the window (and was a player we probably wanted rid of / he wanted out) so if heās replaced then that wonāt be until January at the earliest. Anything else is just opinion about the players weāve brought in...which are players for a Championship squad that weāre gradually transitioning to, some might work out some might fall by the wayside in the coming windows. |
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Post by ldotm on Sept 7, 2019 16:41:10 GMT 1
Iād say the fans will give the manager a chance, DATM is another story! i hear a lot worse from Town fans,who have never heard of Datm Some people on Twitter, do not hold back at all. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 7, 2019 16:49:10 GMT 1
You're not getting it that both Winter and Hodgkinson said we didn't need to sell any players. Our costs had already been cut to suit our cloth before the we brought in Ā£20m plus in player sales. Other than that Siewert was a crap manager, there's a reason why we're where we are and that's our appalling lack of goals, Other than signing a free agent after the deadline we've done nothing to address that.
All thatās left is Mooy (and we canāt really stop a player wanting to leave to an EPL club although personally Iād have preferred him to to be sold rather than loaned...) who weāve replaced. And VLP who obviously left after the window (and was a player we probably wanted rid of / he wanted out) so if heās replaced then that wonāt be until January at the earliest. Anything else is just opinion about the players weāve brought in...which are players for a Championship squad that weāre gradually transitioning to, some might work out some might fall by the wayside in the coming windows. That is not what was said. The decision to sell Billing was a choice based on his shenanigans last season and not out of financial necessity. Smith & Lowe were not part of those that had been discounted from the squad. I'll leave it there because we're never going to agree on this. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 16:56:04 GMT 1
We didnāt NEED to sell players other than the ones that were discounted from the squad.
All thatās left is Mooy (and we canāt really stop a player wanting to leave to an EPL club although personally Iād have preferred him to to be sold rather than loaned...) who weāve replaced. And VLP who obviously left after the window (and was a player we probably wanted rid of / he wanted out) so if heās replaced then that wonāt be until January at the earliest. Anything else is just opinion about the players weāve brought in...which are players for a Championship squad that weāre gradually transitioning to, some might work out some might fall by the wayside in the coming windows. That is not what was said. The decision to sell Billing was a choice based on his shenanigans last season and not out of financial necessity. Smith & Lowe were not part of those that had been discounted from the squad. I'll leave it there because we're never going to agree on this. Billing demanded a move last January didn't he? He wanted a move and his behaviour ensured he got one. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 7, 2019 16:57:43 GMT 1
That is not what was said. The decision to sell Billing was a choice based on his shenanigans last season and not out of financial necessity. Smith & Lowe were not part of those that had been discounted from the squad. I'll leave it there because we're never going to agree on this. Billing demanded a move last January didn't he? He wanted a move and his behaviour ensured he got one. I'm not disputing that, only that he wasn't sold out of financial necessity.....or was he? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 17:00:11 GMT 1
Billing demanded a move last January didn't he? He wanted a move and his behaviour ensured he got one. I'm not disputing that, only that he wasn't sold out of financial necessity.....or was he? Either way he had to go, and for the highest price we could get. |
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Post by terrierhx on Sept 7, 2019 20:52:04 GMT 1
......As I think he will be this weekend. Is there any danger of us, the fans, actually getting behind him, the team, the chairman and the whole bloody club? I, for one, am finding the constant digs at the club, especially at the chairman and those working to turn this around rather tiring, extremely ill informed, rather pointless and simply adding to the problems at the club. Iāve every faith that the appointment will be a good one and welcomed by the vast majority so FFS, lets use this news to get behind HTAFC from top to bottom and play our part in taking this club forward again. Enjoy your weekends all.....  Afternoon Phil. Your posting history suggest beyond all reasonable doubt that you are - and thatās absolutely fine! If you are going to masquerade as a fan and refer to yourself in the third person all the time, then thatās a little odd, no? Youāll find that a lot of people fully understand your situation, and support your efforts, but you wonāt generally find them posting on the web, where itās easier to let of steam (and our fans really do need to let off steam) You know this, and should be professional enough to not react, in my humble opinion. The Premier League was a poisoned chalice, and the fallout requires us to cut cloth rapidly, or go the way of so many other clubs who have trodden the same path down through the leagues. If we could win a game or two.... Look forward to seeing who our new gaffer is - you have a good weekend too. Hilarious!! Sorry to disappoint you but alas, Iām not Phil.... My posting history merely demonstrates that I find that I need to make an effort to balance all the sniping and negativity towards a fella thatās been here for five minutes and walked into a very difficult and negative situation. Good to read your balanced comments though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2019 21:32:25 GMT 1
Afternoon Phil. Your posting history suggest beyond all reasonable doubt that you are - and thatās absolutely fine! If you are going to masquerade as a fan and refer to yourself in the third person all the time, then thatās a little odd, no? Youāll find that a lot of people fully understand your situation, and support your efforts, but you wonāt generally find them posting on the web, where itās easier to let of steam (and our fans really do need to let off steam) You know this, and should be professional enough to not react, in my humble opinion. The Premier League was a poisoned chalice, and the fallout requires us to cut cloth rapidly, or go the way of so many other clubs who have trodden the same path down through the leagues. If we could win a game or two.... Look forward to seeing who our new gaffer is - you have a good weekend too. Hilarious!! Sorry to disappoint you but alas, Iām not Phil.... My posting history merely demonstrates that I find that I need to make an effort to balance all the sniping and negativity towards a fella thatās been here for five minutes and walked into a very difficult and negative situation. Good to read your balanced comments though. OK Phil, no worries. |
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Post by terrierhx on Sept 7, 2019 23:11:05 GMT 1
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 8, 2019 14:35:25 GMT 1
Iāve every faith that the appointment will be a good one I applaud the thrust of your post but can't accept this comment. Can you explain why? Focussing on the word every. In the time I've been supporting the club, we've appointed 22 full time managers. Of those I think it is very conservative to say five were not only NOT good but in fact (arguably with hindsight) completely and utterly Sh*8te. Bobby Collins, Malcolm Macdonald, Mick Wadsworth, Stan Ternent & Jan Siewert. Many would add more names to that list but I can't see how anyone could argue a case for those five. That is over 22% of appointments, not only not good but sh*8te. How can you have EVERY faith in a good appointment. Any recruitment is almost by definition throwing mud at a wall and seeing what sticks. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 8, 2019 14:49:09 GMT 1
Thatās one view of Billing. I read or heard a comment that those players like Billing etc who hadnāt been playing werenāt really considered as part of the first team plans so wouldnāt be directly replaced...there was some comment about bringing the overall squad size down. As it happens, Chalobah is probably a cross between Billing and Mooy. A manager who can get the best of him is what we need...and hopefully Bacuna and Hogg can come along for the ride and get back to previous highs rather than playing the every man for himself system weāve been doing, The comment isn't specifically about Billing, its to do with the fact that he was sold for a record amount ten days before the window shut, thus giving us money & allowing us time to strengthen in whatever areas we deemed fit. Chalobah, who looks a fine player, was brought in when we loaned Mooy out but nobody can realistically argue that we aren't lacking in strength in certain departments. The whole point of my commenting on this is that Galpharm repeatedly claims there wasn't time to strengthen, which is wrong imo. Why would we spend money on replacing players without the HoF and new manager in place, and squander more millions? Itās clear to me that Siewert was on probation as Phil didnāt want to upset Dean, and wanted to wait a while how things progress. He didnāt trust Siewert enough until he would be able to see a real turnaround. The rest is history. Heāll hopefully open the purse strings once the new manager is in place, this appointment being Philās, heāll have to own it and back it....and weāll need to back them all through thick and thin again, it wonāt be a smooth ride for sure. |
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Post by terrierhx on Sept 8, 2019 15:55:06 GMT 1
Iāve every faith that the appointment will be a good one I applaud the thrust of your post but can't accept this comment. Can you explain why? Focussing on the word every. In the time I've been supporting the club, we've appointed 22 full time managers. Of those I think it is very conservative to say five were not only NOT good but in fact (arguably with hindsight) completely and utterly Sh*8te. Bobby Collins, Malcolm Macdonald, Mick Wadsworth, Stan Ternent & Jan Siewert. Many would add more names to that list but I can't see how anyone could argue a case for those five. That is over 22% of appointments, not only not good but sh*8te. How can you have EVERY faith in a good appointment. Any recruitment is almost by definition throwing mud at a wall and seeing what sticks. Fair question. My point is based on that Iām sure this will be seen, by the majority, as a positive appointment and a great choice right now. Of course the results are never guaranteed - weāve seen supposedly world class managers appointed at some of the biggest clubs in the world that have flopped! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2019 16:08:19 GMT 1
Phil.....your pockets.
A glass half Phul........
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