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Post by 28901 on Sept 16, 2019 9:18:49 GMT 1
...probably ever in the history of the game. Even the absolute dross we watched in the past had a good half or game now and again. Town have had nothing for 18 months, absolutely nothing. I think you could be exaggerating a teeny little bit there.  Either that or I imagined the Man. U. and both Wolves results.  Man U a creditable draw in a meaningless end of season fixture against a side who weren't trying? Wolves at home was good but pretty meaningless in reality as we were miles adrift at the bottom. Wolves away was the last meaningful (at the time) game we played well in. That's probably about 40 matches. Yesterday I knew at half time we would lose. I knew we would push for it at the start of the second half and fail to score. I knew they would finish the game off with a second somewhere between 60 and 75 minutes as well. I was hoping maybe this time it will be different, but it wasn't. It never is. Town haven't won after going behind since PNE in the promotion season, nearly 3 years ago. We have failed to score in nearly every home game since then as well. No professional club has ever performed so badly over such a prolonged period.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Sept 16, 2019 9:20:19 GMT 1
A top keeper is claiming that all day long. I think he's decent but I was hoping he'd be more commanding In his defence, that cross should never even make it in to the box. Flo should be blocking it all day long but he can't defend so that's what happens Did i dream this or wasnt it said that our keeper is a big personality when he came here ! Very very average imo, likes a punch. Westwood looked so commanding compared. Hate to be the bearer of bad news Nick but our goalie is actually on loan from your beloved Liverpool? |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Sept 16, 2019 9:33:49 GMT 1
I know the big deficiency is still a lack of quality in front of goal but from yesterday I started getting a bit concerned about us playing Elphick and Schindler together. Lack of pace in one CB is workable but when its both it becomes an issue of moving the ball out of defence quickly. Elphick looks to me like the typical ageing pro who's legs have gone. Plays it very very conservatively and barely moves much further up than 5yds out of the penalty box. He knows that if we lose posession and he's further up the pitch than that there is no way he can get back and I think he has no confidence in Flo covering for him (with some justification on recent showing). There's work to do all over the pitch but realistically I'm thinking now just keep us up and see where we are after both Jan and next summer's transfer windows.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 16, 2019 9:40:10 GMT 1
Did i dream this or wasnt it said that our keeper is a big personality when he came here ! Very very average imo, likes a punch. Westwood looked so commanding compared. Hate to be the bearer of bad news Nick but our goalie is actually on loan from your beloved Liverpool? Lol yes ! Im not biased I say what i see ! |
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Post by impact on Sept 16, 2019 9:59:16 GMT 1
Did i dream this or wasnt it said that our keeper is a big personality when he came here ! Very very average imo, likes a punch. Westwood looked so commanding compared. What did Westwood have to do, apart from making a smart stop down to his right i'm struggling to think of anything? Grabara has already proved he's a fantastic shot stopper, as regards punching the ball, providing it goes well clear that isn't a problem for me. He just did the basics well. Came out and caught when he needed to, didn't look under much pressure. Grabara is young and will learn. I think he just switched off a bit for the goal and didn't quite realise where he was. Positioning tends to be the thing young keepers don't have nailed. |
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Post by impact on Sept 16, 2019 10:04:48 GMT 1
To end the debate Grabara's positioning is completely wrong HOWEVER Flo is at fault for being beaten so easily to allow the ball to come in and Schindler/Elphick for being beaten so easily in the air and allowing Fletcher free track of the ball. Several fault parties for the goal and if anyone of the above mentioned was doing their job correctly the goal wouldn't of come. Just where should he be stood? It looks a perfectly normal position to me. As I said earlier, as the ball is on the byline and outside the box, he should have been a yard further back at least with an open stance in order to move quicker. If it had gone in at the far post then fair enough, nothing he could do really. But given it was bang in the centre of goal no far out at all, he should have dealt with it. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 16, 2019 10:25:54 GMT 1
Just where should he be stood? It looks a perfectly normal position to me. As I said earlier, as the ball is on the byline and outside the box, he should have been a yard further back at least with an open stance in order to move quicker. If it had gone in at the far post then fair enough, nothing he could do really. But given it was bang in the centre of goal no far out at all, he should have dealt with it. Maybe but it was a well executed cross. No Town player would have put in a ball like that, nor would we have them queuing up in the box. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 10:30:37 GMT 1
I think you could be exaggerating a teeny little bit there. Either that or I imagined the Man. U. and both Wolves results. Man U a creditable draw in a meaningless end of season fixture against a side who weren't trying? Wolves at home was good but pretty meaningless in reality as we were miles adrift at the bottom. Wolves away was the last meaningful (at the time) game we played well in. That's probably about 40 matches. Yesterday I knew at half time we would lose. I knew we would push for it at the start of the second half and fail to score. I knew they would finish the game off with a second somewhere between 60 and 75 minutes as well. I was hoping maybe this time it will be different, but it wasn't. It never is. Town haven't won after going behind since PNE in the promotion season, nearly 3 years ago. We have failed to score in nearly every home game since then as well. No professional club has ever performed so badly over such a prolonged period.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 16, 2019 10:41:45 GMT 1
As I said earlier, as the ball is on the byline and outside the box, he should have been a yard further back at least with an open stance in order to move quicker. If it had gone in at the far post then fair enough, nothing he could do really. But given it was bang in the centre of goal no far out at all, he should have dealt with it. Maybe but it was a well executed cross. No Town player would have put in a ball like that, nor would we have them queuing up in the box. We need a nasty striker like Fletcher imo |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 16, 2019 10:48:20 GMT 1
Hate to be the bearer of bad news Nick but our goalie is actually on loan from your beloved Liverpool? Lol yes ! Im not biased I say what i see ! You must spend a lot of time in toilets. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 16, 2019 10:55:53 GMT 1
I have been busy and not on here for some days and not read any of the match thread. Here is what i saw: Kongolo...never in a million years is he a left back. Totally wasted there. Elphick is shot. Could do a job in Div 2 due to his experience but at this level legs that are gone are a big liability. The warm up was all short-pass keep ball, crisp passing then move....just translate that to the game! Wednesday kept the shape well, that demands us mixing it up, going centrally occasionally and taking men on....Bacuna was a total breath of fresh air when he came on. Beat 3 defenders with the ball in his first three minutes. Only the released ball was the problem  He has, if he progresses and stops losing his cool, a very big future. Mbenza, one of those fake footballers who claims to be George Weahs nephew? Wednesday were outsiders at the bookies....madness when we have 4 wins in 56. Kicking myself as nearly banged a monkey on. They chased every lost cause and sucker-punched us. Strong chance we will be relegated, simply not enough quality or goals in the team. How is that possible for a team that has just come from the Prem? A £100 mill squad with 35 pros that does not have 5 good enough for the Champs. Worst recruitment in the history of football. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 16, 2019 11:16:11 GMT 1
Lol yes ! Im not biased I say what i see ! You must spend a lot of time in toilets. Cutting ! |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 16, 2019 11:20:26 GMT 1
I have been busy and not on here for some days and not read any of the match thread. Here is what i saw: Kongolo...never in a million years is he a left back. Totally wasted there. Elphick is shot. Could do a job in Div 2 due to his experience but at this level legs that are gone are a big liability. The warm up was all short-pass keep ball, crisp passing then move....just translate that to the game! Wednesday kept the shape well, that demands us mixing it up, going centrally occasionally and taking men on....Bacuna was a total breath of fresh air when he came on. Beat 3 defenders with the ball in his first three minutes. Only the released ball was the problem He has, if he progresses and stops losing his cool, a very big future. Mbenza, one of those fake footballers who claims to be George Weahs nephew? Wednesday were outsiders at the bookies....madness when we have 4 wins in 56. Kicking myself as nearly banged a monkey on. They chased every lost cause and sucker-punched us. Strong chance we will be relegated, simply not enough quality or goals in the team. How is that possible for a team that has just come from the Prem? A £100 mill squad with 35 pros that does not have 5 good enough for the Champs. Worst recruitment in the history of football. Can't argue with any of that which is alarming. |
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Post by andyboothscat on Sept 16, 2019 11:21:25 GMT 1
Worst recruitment in the history of football. 100% absolutely this. We found Willy Wonkas golden ticket. Then wiped our backside with it. |
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Post by worthington on Sept 16, 2019 11:29:41 GMT 1
I have been busy and not on here for some days and not read any of the match thread. Here is what i saw: Kongolo...never in a million years is he a left back. Totally wasted there. Elphick is shot. Could do a job in Div 2 due to his experience but at this level legs that are gone are a big liability. The warm up was all short-pass keep ball, crisp passing then move....just translate that to the game! Wednesday kept the shape well, that demands us mixing it up, going centrally occasionally and taking men on....Bacuna was a total breath of fresh air when he came on. Beat 3 defenders with the ball in his first three minutes. Only the released ball was the problem He has, if he progresses and stops losing his cool, a very big future. Mbenza, one of those fake footballers who claims to be George Weahs nephew? Wednesday were outsiders at the bookies....madness when we have 4 wins in 56. Kicking myself as nearly banged a monkey on. They chased every lost cause and sucker-punched us. Strong chance we will be relegated, simply not enough quality or goals in the team. How is that possible for a team that has just come from the Prem? A £100 mill squad with 35 pros that does not have 5 good enough for the Champs. Worst recruitment in the history of football. Agree about Bacuna. At least he looks like a footballer. Stankovic does too - what has happened to him? Chabaloah - worried about his hunting about all over the place for the ball in the second half. Compare the superb Barry Bannon for Sheff Wed. I would get rid of Hogg (I would have done as soon as we got to the premiership - the first game against crystal palace had billing and mooy in midfield with casey palmer in front of them; we won 3-0. The best footballing display was against Man U in the cup with williams and billing in midfield and no hogg). Oddly I think the Cowleys will find a way. We are 5 points from safety with a long way to go. |
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Post by In sooth- - on Sept 16, 2019 11:30:08 GMT 1
Maybe but it was a well executed cross. No Town player would have put in a ball like that, nor would we have them queuing up in the box. We need a nasty striker like Fletcher imo A very very very nasty striker please. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 16, 2019 11:43:34 GMT 1
I have been busy and not on here for some days and not read any of the match thread. Here is what i saw: Kongolo...never in a million years is he a left back. Totally wasted there. Elphick is shot. Could do a job in Div 2 due to his experience but at this level legs that are gone are a big liability. The warm up was all short-pass keep ball, crisp passing then move....just translate that to the game! Wednesday kept the shape well, that demands us mixing it up, going centrally occasionally and taking men on....Bacuna was a total breath of fresh air when he came on. Beat 3 defenders with the ball in his first three minutes. Only the released ball was the problem He has, if he progresses and stops losing his cool, a very big future. Mbenza, one of those fake footballers who claims to be George Weahs nephew? Wednesday were outsiders at the bookies....madness when we have 4 wins in 56. Kicking myself as nearly banged a monkey on. They chased every lost cause and sucker-punched us. Strong chance we will be relegated, simply not enough quality or goals in the team. How is that possible for a team that has just come from the Prem? A £100 mill squad with 35 pros that does not have 5 good enough for the Champs. Worst recruitment in the history of football. Agree about Bacuna. At least he looks like a footballer. Stankovic does too - what has happened to him? Chabaloah - worried about his hunting about all over the place for the ball in the second half. Compare the superb Barry Bannon for Sheff Wed. I would get rid of Hogg (I would have done as soon as we got to the premiership - the first game against crystal palace had billing and mooy in midfield with casey palmer in front of them; we won 3-0. The best footballing display was against Man U in the cup with williams and billing in midfield and no hogg). Oddly I think the Cowleys will find a way. We are 5 points from safety with a long way to go. Totally agree ! Bannon is class wish we had him ! |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 16, 2019 11:56:32 GMT 1
We need a nasty striker like Fletcher imo A very very very nasty striker please. The better organised defences deal with him by pushing up and one challenging him whilst the others just cover the 2nd ball, they don't run away and stand on the 6 yard line waiting to try and defend within a cock hair if their own goal. He got the ball to feet twice, lost it or failed miserably to run anyone with it when we shoved up. It's much less dangerous challenging in the air 30 yards from your goal. What next for town, push up to the halfway line against 2 small, quick strikers? We just got it wrong again. Watch us, we don't get pushed back, we fucking run away first and form up from the 18 yard line back, it's inviting what we get. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 16, 2019 11:58:30 GMT 1
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Post by cat57 on Sept 16, 2019 12:08:35 GMT 1
Alot of good free agents about, Bony or Hooper up front, simpson right back, olson left back, im afraid Flo is just ...... blockholm might be better
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 16, 2019 12:11:36 GMT 1
Alot of good free agents about, Bony or Hooper up front, simpson right back, olson left back, im afraid Flo is just ...... blockholm might be better Club looked at Olsson, too many injury concerns. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 16, 2019 12:19:21 GMT 1
Agree about Bacuna. At least he looks like a footballer. Stankovic does too - what has happened to him? Chabaloah - worried about his hunting about all over the place for the ball in the second half. Compare the superb Barry Bannon for Sheff Wed. I would get rid of Hogg (I would have done as soon as we got to the premiership - the first game against crystal palace had billing and mooy in midfield with casey palmer in front of them; we won 3-0. The best footballing display was against Man U in the cup with williams and billing in midfield and no hogg). Oddly I think the Cowleys will find a way. We are 5 points from safety with a long way to go. Totally agree ! Bannon is class wish we had him ! Jacko wanted to sign him when he managed Lincoln. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 16, 2019 12:23:03 GMT 1
Just seen the highlights
Elphicks movement/positioning on that second goal makes it look like he was trying to let them score. I can't believe just how shite he is for someone that's played so many games at this level
His best Zanka impression didn't help either yesterday when he kept passing it to the ball boys instead of Flo
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 16, 2019 12:26:41 GMT 1
Agree about Bacuna. At least he looks like a footballer. Stankovic does too - what has happened to him? Chabaloah - worried about his hunting about all over the place for the ball in the second half. Compare the superb Barry Bannon for Sheff Wed. I would get rid of Hogg (I would have done as soon as we got to the premiership - the first game against crystal palace had billing and mooy in midfield with casey palmer in front of them; we won 3-0. The best footballing display was against Man U in the cup with williams and billing in midfield and no hogg). Oddly I think the Cowleys will find a way. We are 5 points from safety with a long way to go. Totally agree ! Bannon is class wish we had him ! Is there any reason Pritchard cant do the same role? Although we haven't seen the best of him we know there is a talented player in there. I didn't see Bannan do anything other than cover the ground and recycle the ball well which isn't rocket science. What we do lack compared to Wednesday is a front man who can hold up the ball and an attacker who follows in (Reach). You could see that we had reshuffled the defence to cope with Fletcher yet we lost virtually every single header. There were times in the first half where we stood off their back 4 inviting them to kick it long, they did and then Fletcher won the bloody header and brought his support players into play who we weren't tracking! |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 16, 2019 12:28:55 GMT 1
Totally agree ! Bannon is class wish we had him ! Is there any reason Pritchard cant do the same role? Although we haven't seen the best of him we know there is a talented player in there. I didn't see Bannan do anything other than cover the ground and recycle the ball well which isn't rocket science. What we do lack compared to Wednesday is a front man who can hold up the ball and an attacker who follows in (Reach). You could see that we had reshuffled the defence to cope with Fletcher yet we lost virtually every single header. There were times in the first half where we stood off their back 4 inviting them to kick it long, they did and then Fletcher won the bloody header and brought his support players into play who we weren't tracking! Kongolo is better in the air than Elphick so it was ridiculous to shuffle the defence around on the worry of Fletcher's aerial threat |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 16, 2019 12:35:33 GMT 1
Is there any reason Pritchard cant do the same role? Although we haven't seen the best of him we know there is a talented player in there. I didn't see Bannan do anything other than cover the ground and recycle the ball well which isn't rocket science. What we do lack compared to Wednesday is a front man who can hold up the ball and an attacker who follows in (Reach). You could see that we had reshuffled the defence to cope with Fletcher yet we lost virtually every single header. There were times in the first half where we stood off their back 4 inviting them to kick it long, they did and then Fletcher won the bloody header and brought his support players into play who we weren't tracking! Kongolo is better in the air than Elphick so it was ridiculous to shuffle the defence around on the worry of Fletcher's aerial threat I agree but im not sure id have had Brown over Kongolo at LB up against Murphy and Odubajo. Perhaps they thought Elphick was experienced enough to deal with Fletcher who isn't quick but very clever? Either way I think every town fan could have told you before kick off that Elphick on the right side of defence alongside Flo is a disaster waiting to happen. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Sept 16, 2019 12:39:28 GMT 1
A new right back is deffo needed. If not, would be good to see Rowe or Duane promoted to the first team.
Wouldn't mind Lewis Holtby either, apparently Blackburn have showed interest in him!
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Post by Torquayterrier on Sept 16, 2019 12:49:34 GMT 1
We need a nasty striker like Fletcher imo A very very very nasty striker please. Was saying most of last season we needed someone like Ashley Barnes in the oppo's faces for 90 mins. |
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Post by impact on Sept 16, 2019 12:58:28 GMT 1
As I said earlier, as the ball is on the byline and outside the box, he should have been a yard further back at least with an open stance in order to move quicker. If it had gone in at the far post then fair enough, nothing he could do really. But given it was bang in the centre of goal no far out at all, he should have dealt with it. Maybe but it was a well executed cross. No Town player would have put in a ball like that, nor would we have them queuing up in the box. Don't think anyone would dispute that. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 16, 2019 13:13:50 GMT 1
Just seen the highlights Elphicks movement/positioning on that second goal makes it look like he was trying to let them score. I can't believe just how shite he is for someone that's played so many games at this level His best Zanka impression didn't help either yesterday when he kept passing it to the ball boys instead of Flo Looks to me like time has caught up with Elphick, a fact not lost on Villa last season. He's a bit like Hudson was when we signed him in terms of his legs but he brings none of the positive traits Hudson had, he cant jump for a kick off which has already cost us two goals and possibly games. Another utterly appalling and entirely avoidable mistake in the transfer market. I dare says he's on a decent contract too. |
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