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Post by Tinpot on Sept 16, 2019 13:24:01 GMT 1
As I said earlier, as the ball is on the byline and outside the box, he should have been a yard further back at least with an open stance in order to move quicker. If it had gone in at the far post then fair enough, nothing he could do really. But given it was bang in the centre of goal no far out at all, he should have dealt with it. Maybe but it was a well executed cross. No Town player would have put in a ball like that, nor would we have them queuing up in the box. Have you forgotten Bacuna's cross to Mitrovic already? |
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Post by Uddersfield on Sept 16, 2019 13:24:29 GMT 1
Just seen the highlights Elphicks movement/positioning on that second goal makes it look like he was trying to let them score. I can't believe just how shite he is for someone that's played so many games at this level His best Zanka impression didn't help either yesterday when he kept passing it to the ball boys instead of Flo Looks to me like time has caught up with Elphick, a fact not lost on Villa last season. He's a bit like Hudson was when we signed him in terms of his legs but he brings none of the positive traits Hudson had, he cant jump for a kick off which has already cost us two goals and possibly games. Another utterly appalling and entirely avoidable mistake in the transfer market. I dare says he's on a decent contract too. I still have no idea what he was doing for their 2nd goal. |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 16, 2019 13:42:59 GMT 1
A new right back is deffo needed. If not, would be good to see Rowe or Duane promoted to the first team. Wouldn't mind Lewis Holtby either, apparently Blackburn have showed interest in him! They'd probably blow us out of the water, financially 😁😁 |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Sept 16, 2019 14:02:10 GMT 1
My two penneth for what it's worth, in a few lines, all my opinion, some may well agree, others will disagree, also I've avoided either praising or criticising individual players, it's been done to death and is futile, leave it to the manager.
Both goals were too "easy" - great if you score them but annoying if you concede them, it's a habit we constantly give away soft goals with a "worldie" thrown in now and again.
Yet again the opposition deservedly won but were no great shakes, we've played a 1/4 of the league now and yet to see a stand out side.
It actually felt like we've taken a step backwards after the first hour against Reading, having said that we probably had more efforts on goal than any other game this season yet hardly worked their keeper.
There were several occasions when we showed grit and determination to win the ball back - it shouldn't be worth a mention because it should be a given but sadly it has been missing for a long time - possibly green shoots of recovery?
All the experts say you've got to start at the back, sort your defence and stop conceding to repair a poor team and it's hard to argue against that but the lack of goals and indeed the lack of any goal threat is sapping all the morale, hope , expectations and everything else from the crowd.
We need something. I thought up to the early first goal the crowd did really well, again, for the mess we've become to get so many in the ground on a Sunday lunchtime, live on tv and trying to create an atmosphere was a credit to them but a team scoring against is like popping a baloon with a pin because we now "know" it's game over. That's not a criticism of our support, it's a fact, it's far better than we used to be years ago and it's far better than an awful lot of other teams would be doing now after what we've had for 18 months.
Finally I want to believe that a win will kick start us but then again I did think that against Wolves last year !
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 16, 2019 14:20:01 GMT 1
To think just 45 short (actually very long) matches ago we finished 17 places higher up the league than L**ds...and now we are 23 behind them.
Has a Town team ever fallen so dramatically? I would hazard a "no" even if i went to look at the period post '71.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 16, 2019 14:21:46 GMT 1
Still to see us win in physically being at 34 matches....its dragging now.
Glad i am away for the Millwall game.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Sept 16, 2019 14:33:19 GMT 1
That's it then, nailed on victory v 'wall :-)
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 16, 2019 15:25:55 GMT 1
Just seen the highlights Elphicks movement/positioning on that second goal makes it look like he was trying to let them score. I can't believe just how shite he is for someone that's played so many games at this level His best Zanka impression didn't help either yesterday when he kept passing it to the ball boys instead of Flo Looks to me like time has caught up with Elphick, a fact not lost on Villa last season. He's a bit like Hudson was when we signed him in terms of his legs but he brings none of the positive traits Hudson had, he cant jump for a kick off which has already cost us two goals and possibly games. Another utterly appalling and entirely avoidable mistake in the transfer market. I dare says he's on a decent contract too. Elphick is a back up centre back with Kongolo and Schindler first choice. Unfortunately the left backs we went to get did not come off. If you add up the bad luck with serious issues in the team management since summer 18 you see where we are. The reasons and excuses will no longer matter if we do not pick up soonest. A braver approach from back to front might help? I hope with the Cowleys it will come? |
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 16, 2019 19:14:54 GMT 1
My two penneth for what it's worth, in a few lines, all my opinion, some may well agree, others will disagree, also I've avoided either praising or criticising individual players, it's been done to death and is futile, leave it to the manager. Both goals were too "easy" - great if you score them but annoying if you concede them, it's a habit we constantly give away soft goals with a "worldie" thrown in now and again. Yet again the opposition deservedly won but were no great shakes, we've played a 1/4 of the league now and yet to see a stand out side. It actually felt like we've taken a step backwards after the first hour against Reading, having said that we probably had more efforts on goal than any other game this season yet hardly worked their keeper. There were several occasions when we showed grit and determination to win the ball back - it shouldn't be worth a mention because it should be a given but sadly it has been missing for a long time - possibly green shoots of recovery? All the experts say you've got to start at the back, sort your defence and stop conceding to repair a poor team and it's hard to argue against that but the lack of goals and indeed the lack of any goal threat is sapping all the morale, hope , expectations and everything else from the crowd. We need something. I thought up to the early first goal the crowd did really well, again, for the mess we've become to get so many in the ground on a Sunday lunchtime, live on tv and trying to create an atmosphere was a credit to them but a team scoring against is like popping a baloon with a pin because we now "know" it's game over. That's not a criticism of our support, it's a fact, it's far better than we used to be years ago and it's far better than an awful lot of other teams would be doing now after what we've had for 18 months. Finally I want to believe that a win will kick start us but then again I did think that against Wolves last year ! Some fair points. However, I will say that I think we have played one very good side amidst a lot of mediocrity. That was Fulham. They are in the top 4 sides in the division from matches seen live, on the TV plus highlights. Others are Bristol City, Swansea and Leeds. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 16, 2019 19:41:07 GMT 1
Think Millwall is a must must win game ?
Even so soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 19:52:38 GMT 1
Think Millwall is a must must win game ? Even so soon. Didn't expect that from you Nick.... |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 16, 2019 20:02:44 GMT 1
Maybe but it was a well executed cross. No Town player would have put in a ball like that, nor would we have them queuing up in the box. Have you forgotten Bacuna's cross to Mitrovic already?  We really are in our banter era |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 16, 2019 20:19:07 GMT 1
Lets face it those were two amazing deliveries. The second and the forwards awareness was quality.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 22:02:44 GMT 1
He's not in the wrong position if it had been that WC game, he'd have caught the fucker just like that keeper did... As for positioning I'm not a keeper, but I wouldn't have said it was particularly bad. As said, just a great bit of wing play, fantastic cross, bit of whip, right in the mixer, going away from the keeper & defenders. I think it is particularly bad. The danger is in the middle and back of goal. The ball was always going to be a chipped cross from that position and given the striker we were facing. The only chance he has at cutting the ball out there is if the winger smashes a ball across goal, but even then he'd be favourite in the position he should have been in given there was no one outside the front stick. And as I said, from the position the winger was in it was always going to be a chip. Interestingly this is an image from the same match not a million miles from those circumstances, note the position of Wednesdays keeper.  |
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Post by impact on Sept 16, 2019 22:10:54 GMT 1
I think it is particularly bad. The danger is in the middle and back of goal. The ball was always going to be a chipped cross from that position and given the striker we were facing. The only chance he has at cutting the ball out there is if the winger smashes a ball across goal, but even then he'd be favourite in the position he should have been in given there was no one outside the front stick. And as I said, from the position the winger was in it was always going to be a chip. Interestingly this is an image from the same match not a million miles from those circumstances, note the position of Wednesdays keeper. how do you upload a pictureThat doesn't look good to me either. Hard to tell from a photo (you got a vid?) but looks like there are 2 main differences: 1) Kongolo is running into the box rather than down the flank towards the byline. More chance of a smash across the box, or even a shot. If he is squared up by a defender I'd expect Westwood to reposition. 2) We have men moving to and positioned towards the front post so the danger is there. Again, more chance of a low ball. He still looks too far forward to me though,but I guess he's anticipating a low ball. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 22:22:09 GMT 1
Interestingly this is an image from the same match not a million miles from those circumstances, note the position of Wednesdays keeper. how do you upload a pictureThat doesn't look good to me either. Hard to tell from a photo (you got a vid?) but looks like there are 2 main differences: 1) Kongolo is running into the box rather than down the flank towards the byline. More chance of a smash across the box, or even a shot. If he is squared up by a defender I'd expect Westwood to reposition. 2) We have men moving to and positioned towards the front post so the danger is there. Again, more chance of a low ball. He still looks too far forward to me though,but I guess he's anticipating a low ball. It's a screenshot from ifollow highlights. Take a look at that bottom right hand figure, Mbenza I think, he has a clear run to that back post. As it is Kongolo turned and played it diagonally instead of continuing the run. He's actually further forward than Grabara. |
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Post by impact on Sept 16, 2019 22:34:48 GMT 1
That doesn't look good to me either. Hard to tell from a photo (you got a vid?) but looks like there are 2 main differences: 1) Kongolo is running into the box rather than down the flank towards the byline. More chance of a smash across the box, or even a shot. If he is squared up by a defender I'd expect Westwood to reposition. 2) We have men moving to and positioned towards the front post so the danger is there. Again, more chance of a low ball. He still looks too far forward to me though,but I guess he's anticipating a low ball. It's a screenshot from ifollow highlights. Take a look at that bottom right hand figure, Mbenza I think, he has a clear run to that back post. As it is Kongolo turned and played it diagonally instead of continuing the run. He's actually further forward than Grabara. Yeah I know he is. I said with the Grabara one as well if it's dinked to the back post then you just say fair enough. I've just seen the vid and he steps forward when Bacuna cuts inside and runs towards goal. He's anticipating a low ball, and he knows the town players are towards the front post (as he points and shouts about it). Still think he's a bit too far forward mind. With their goal, the low ball isn't an option given the position of the player, and the danger is the middle and back of goal. Feel free to disagree like, just my opinion, but as kids we were taught to spot the danger, work out the likely ball and position accordingly. |
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