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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 15, 2019 17:09:16 GMT 1
True, a stat based on a three-game unbeaten run with wins against Fulham, Wolves and a draw against Hammers, but other than that we were pretty poor all along. We were robbed against palace at home - deserved at least a draw but undone by zaha brilliance and mounie miss Should have played 10 men at Burnley after the elbow on Schindler Played well against West Ham and a fraction off winning (billing hitting the post) It’s history but I don’t think we were that short until December when it came apart and accelerated under JS But what really, truly killed us was the run of games in December and early January which included home defeats by all the teams around us, teams that we "expected" to beat. Christ, we couldn't even manage a goal against Cardiff City in two attempts.  |
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Post by slackjaw on Sept 15, 2019 17:09:42 GMT 1
They’ve inherited a mess from JS Again we were blowing in the last 10 mins and are unfitter than our peers A unbalanced squad with Kongolo out of position Summer signings which are presently way short of our level meaning we picked 3 defensive mids (with a fourth on the bench) when we needed at least one player in the middle comfy picking passes (Reece brown?) No chance to sign anyone until 2020 That’s before you look at the mental fragility! Big job ahead didn't Jan inherit a mess from Lord Wagner? He did but Jan couldn’t be bothered to get them fit enough for 90 minutes football.Worse still the players couldn’t be bothered to get themselves fit. Honestly I’ve never seen a bigger bunch of fucking wasters to wear our shirt,they literally can’t be fucking arsed |
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Post by Lard Buttie on Sept 15, 2019 17:21:27 GMT 1
Has this thread morphed into raking up old matches?
Can anybody see any positives from today?
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Post by Torquayterrier on Sept 15, 2019 17:32:23 GMT 1
I think the main thing was that new coaches could see what the players are genuinely like in a competitive game. Sometimes new coaches come in and everyone ups their game to impress then slowly work their way back to more representative pattern. I think the Cowleys got a fair impression today, good and bad, and if that gives them a basis for what needs improving then things get worked on quicker, thats a positive. Or they could be in Phils office on Monday saying 'We need a 20 goals a season man in January or we're screwed' ;-)
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Post by bluestripe on Sept 15, 2019 17:33:11 GMT 1
apparently, we have had one win in 298 days and we are in free fall. Can the Cowleys turn us around, personally i don't think so but i don't think anyone can turn us around, because too many players are not up to it. "Up to it" or "up for it"? It's a much better squad than we had in the Championship pre 2016/7. If we had Mooy now, it would also be a better squad than 2016/7 squad. It's mostly a mental thing IMO, rather than a problem with innate football skill. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 17:43:17 GMT 1
I think the main thing was that new coaches could see what the players are genuinely like in a competitive game. Sometimes new coaches come in and everyone ups their game to impress then slowly work their way back to more representative pattern. I think the Cowleys got a fair impression today, good and bad, and if that gives them a basis for what needs improving then things get worked on quicker, thats a positive. Or they could be in Phils office on Monday saying 'We need a 20 goals a season man in January or we're screwed' ;-) The one positive for me as that the Cowleys will have seen in person how much out of his depth Flo is at this level. He cost us the first goal with a piss poor attempt at blocking the cross then missed an absolute sitter at the other end. Surely Bacuna, Stankovic or Herbert would be better at RB. Or play Brown on the left and have Kongolo play on the right until we can sign someone in Jan. I said prior to the start of this season that if Flo plays in half of Town's games, we'll go down, and I'm more convinced now after seeing him cost us goal after goal with horrendous defending. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 15, 2019 18:04:40 GMT 1
Aye, what would an ex-professional player know eh? Id take as much notice of Keith Andrews opinion on the game as I would pisshead Petes after he's had ten pints in old hatte. I beg your pardon?! Ive never been in the old hatte |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Sept 15, 2019 18:05:18 GMT 1
Has this thread morphed into raking up old matches? Can anybody see any positives from today? Bacuna was excellent and back to his best |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 18:13:47 GMT 1
The Cowleys first took training on Tuesday, Friday is usually just shape and several were on international duty. It will come... I don't blame them at all. I just didn't see (m)any positive today. It didn't take long to back to old ways. Once Wednesday scored they dropped deep very quickly so we were always struggling to build. Goals change games and the first one really seem to set us back. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 18:18:01 GMT 1
I think the main thing was that new coaches could see what the players are genuinely like in a competitive game. Sometimes new coaches come in and everyone ups their game to impress then slowly work their way back to more representative pattern. I think the Cowleys got a fair impression today, good and bad, and if that gives them a basis for what needs improving then things get worked on quicker, thats a positive. Or they could be in Phils office on Monday saying 'We need a 20 goals a season man in January or we're screwed' ;-) The one positive for me as that the Cowleys will have seen in person how much out of his depth Flo is at this level. He cost us the first goal with a piss poor attempt at blocking the cross then missed an absolute sitter at the other end. Surely Bacuna, Stankovic or Herbert would be better at RB. Or play Brown on the left and have Kongolo play on the right until we can sign someone in Jan. I said prior to the start of this season that if Flo plays in half of Town's games, we'll go down, and I'm more convinced now after seeing him cost us goal after goal with horrendous defending. Please stop the Flo bashing. He should have done better to stop the cross but the three defenders in the middle should have done better as well. The fact he was at the back post for the chance rather than a midfielder or striker is the real problem, plus it was a difficult height, neither header not shot so he tried to head but with no power, but then he is a right back. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 18:43:38 GMT 1
We played 3 centre backs, 3 defensive midfielders a full back, a winger and 2 strikers. Impossible to put that jigsaw together to make a picture of good football. They have a huge job on their hands with the squad they’ve inherited.
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Post by ACW on Sept 15, 2019 18:51:44 GMT 1
I thought the team played well. Definitely significant improvements in passing and getting forward. There were signs of cohesion and a game plan. It looks like a brilliant appointment by the board. I can feel a definite climb up the table and possibly a playoff place. On the the other hand we were fucking shite. As usual. Always good to read a balanced post.  |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 15, 2019 19:43:35 GMT 1
The one positive for me as that the Cowleys will have seen in person how much out of his depth Flo is at this level. He cost us the first goal with a piss poor attempt at blocking the cross then missed an absolute sitter at the other end. Surely Bacuna, Stankovic or Herbert would be better at RB. Or play Brown on the left and have Kongolo play on the right until we can sign someone in Jan. I said prior to the start of this season that if Flo plays in half of Town's games, we'll go down, and I'm more convinced now after seeing him cost us goal after goal with horrendous defending. Please stop the Flo bashing. He should have done better to stop the cross but the three defenders in the middle should have done better as well. The fact he was at the back post for the chance rather than a midfielder or striker is the real problem, plus it was a difficult height, neither header not shot so he tried to head but with no power, but then he is a right back. Right backs make tackles, stop crosses, defend properly. He did none of them today..... and hes a coward. Unforgivable backing out of challenges not once but repeatedly! |
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 15, 2019 19:55:44 GMT 1
We played 3 centre backs, 3 defensive midfielders a full back, a winger and 2 strikers. Impossible to put that jigsaw together to make a picture of good football. They have a huge job on their hands with the squad they’ve inherited. Agreed. Our squad completely lacks balance. Add in the lack of confidence through the run and we're just simply carrying a few players and it's hard to imagine how they'll turn it around. I thought we'd go "back to basics 4-4-2" but the lack of quality on the left makes that hard. |
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Post by tvor on Sept 15, 2019 20:00:41 GMT 1
Has this thread morphed into raking up old matches? Can anybody see any positives from today? Six shots on target. Admittedly not much but one or two stretches of passing, flowing football. Motm performance from O’Brien. Chalobah. Didn’t lose by more than two. Loads!! |
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Post by rastrick32 on Sept 15, 2019 20:01:30 GMT 1
Please stop the Flo bashing. He should have done better to stop the cross but the three defenders in the middle should have done better as well. The fact he was at the back post for the chance rather than a midfielder or striker is the real problem, plus it was a difficult height, neither header not shot so he tried to head but with no power, but then he is a right back. Right backs make tackles, stop crosses, defend properly. He did none of them today..... and hes a coward. Unforgivable backing out of challenges not once but repeatedly! It is the bottling of any physical challenge that is unforgivable. Flo backs out of challenges that are 70:30 in his favour. Campbell put in more challenges today than Flo has in 12 months. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 15, 2019 20:11:10 GMT 1
We just have to hope that the manager has seen the same crap we have seen from 3 of the back 4 today and he is able to rectify it.
If it's the same team next week then that would be a concern.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 15, 2019 20:25:14 GMT 1
We were robbed against palace at home - deserved at least a draw but undone by zaha brilliance and mounie miss Should have played 10 men at Burnley after the elbow on Schindler Played well against West Ham and a fraction off winning (billing hitting the post) It’s history but I don’t think we were that short until December when it came apart and accelerated under JS But what really, truly killed us was the run of games in December and early January which included home defeats by all the teams around us, teams that we "expected" to beat. Christ, we couldn't even manage a goal against Cardiff City in two attempts. At the time I thought there were three teams worse than us and that we were just unlucky. Those decisions including mounies sending off a Brighton just were the final straws and completely derailed us. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 15, 2019 20:41:31 GMT 1
Has this thread morphed into raking up old matches? Can anybody see any positives from today? Poor in defence, midfield and attack today imo. I couldn’t see anything good, no positives at all. Wingers ( so called ) Diakhaby and Mbenza are useless beyond belief, no creativity in midfield due to losing our heartbeat Mooy and whilst I was impressed with Campbell’s work rate, no threat up front. I was impressed with Stephen Fletcher. He’s the type of front man we have needed at Town for a long time. |
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Post by richhtfc on Sept 15, 2019 21:35:16 GMT 1
I think the main thing was that new coaches could see what the players are genuinely like in a competitive game. Sometimes new coaches come in and everyone ups their game to impress then slowly work their way back to more representative pattern. I think the Cowleys got a fair impression today, good and bad, and if that gives them a basis for what needs improving then things get worked on quicker, thats a positive. Or they could be in Phils office on Monday saying 'We need a 20 goals a season man in January or we're screwed' ;-) The one positive for me as that the Cowleys will have seen in person how much out of his depth Flo is at this level. He cost us the first goal with a piss poor attempt at blocking the cross then missed an absolute sitter at the other end. Surely Bacuna, Stankovic or Herbert would be better at RB. Or play Brown on the left and have Kongolo play on the right until we can sign someone in Jan. I said prior to the start of this season that if Flo plays in half of Town's games, we'll go down, and I'm more convinced now after seeing him cost us goal after goal with horrendous defending. Flo is not the reason we are shit and the sooner everyone realise it’s the better we’ll be. |
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Sept 15, 2019 22:59:14 GMT 1
Please stop the Flo bashing. He should have done better to stop the cross but the three defenders in the middle should have done better as well. The fact he was at the back post for the chance rather than a midfielder or striker is the real problem, plus it was a difficult height, neither header not shot so he tried to head but with no power, but then he is a right back. Right backs make tackles, stop crosses, defend properly. He did none of them today..... and hes a coward. Unforgivable backing out of challenges not once but repeatedly! Bet you hated it when Dave Cowling left Town! You've got your new man now. Kongolo was shite today but.... |
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Post by Stiggy on Sept 15, 2019 23:32:46 GMT 1
We need to go back to basics and try and keep clean sheets at all costs. We're conceding 2 goals a game to whoever we play.
Keep clean sheets the rest will come.
I think this is where the cowleys will work on from now on.
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Post by willo on Sept 16, 2019 0:43:25 GMT 1
Make no mistake about it, the new management team will be under no illusion of the size of their task after today’s game. We played some decent stuff at times but then the usual frailties cost us. Thought Wednesday were fortunate to go in 1-0 up, although it was a well worked goal, but Flo should have levelled it. What a sorry excuse for a header. We just don’t create enough clear cut chances before running out of steam/ideas and the defence inevitably concede. Can’t see us getting anything next time out at WBA which makes the Millwall game hugely important. No win at that one and we really are up against it.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 16, 2019 7:01:21 GMT 1
Right backs make tackles, stop crosses, defend properly. He did none of them today..... and hes a coward. Unforgivable backing out of challenges not once but repeatedly! Bet you hated it when Dave Cowling left Town! You've got your new man now. Kongolo was shite today but.... Stop being daft! Cowling was a winger employed to cross the ball.....he did it quite well! Kongolo wasn't great I'd agree.....but even my mate a wed fan said where the hell did you get your right back from.....hes woeful. |
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Post by townatheart on Sept 16, 2019 7:15:17 GMT 1
The one positive for me as that the Cowleys will have seen in person how much out of his depth Flo is at this level. He cost us the first goal with a piss poor attempt at blocking the cross then missed an absolute sitter at the other end. Surely Bacuna, Stankovic or Herbert would be better at RB. Or play Brown on the left and have Kongolo play on the right until we can sign someone in Jan. I said prior to the start of this season that if Flo plays in half of Town's games, we'll go down, and I'm more convinced now after seeing him cost us goal after goal with horrendous defending. Flo is not the reason we are shit and the sooner everyone realise it’s the better we’ll be. Correct he is not THE reason, but he is PART of the reason, his weaknesses and faults are just to obvious to ignore. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 16, 2019 7:28:53 GMT 1
Has this thread morphed into raking up old matches? Can anybody see any positives from today? New manager will have had real game time to assess his players. That's it. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 16, 2019 7:39:20 GMT 1
O'Brien looks good to me, worked hard
Errrrrrr, Hogg didnt get sent off but was garbage.
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 16, 2019 8:14:05 GMT 1
Stankovic must be wondering why he can't get a start with our current defensive record.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 9:01:08 GMT 1
We learned nothing yesterday. Big job ahead, right through the team. Staying up is the main focus and it may not be pretty.
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 16, 2019 9:11:41 GMT 1
I think Duhaney played a full 90 minutes for the development squad last week. May be worth a go at fullback?
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