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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 16, 2019 9:17:37 GMT 1
We learned nothing yesterday. Big job ahead, right through the team. Staying up is the main focus and it may not be pretty. I think the Cowleys will have learned plenty. |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 16, 2019 9:25:53 GMT 1
Has this thread morphed into raking up old matches? Can anybody see any positives from today? How are we expected to comment on questions of improvement and positives without using a benchmark? I think we played a lot better against Reading for 70 mins. The first 45 against Reading had everything but a goal - we played the best football we have in circa 30 games. Wednesday allowed us to look competent in the middle third at least. We were lacklustre in the final-third and sloppy / ponderous in the first. There were some industrious performances but little end-product. We lacked balance (Kongolo and Grant on the left has me scratching my head) and drive. I saw no hint of a change in mentality or approach; I appreciate the Cowleys had four days to prepare, but I saw nothing that suggests imminent change or a purpose. If anything, I was left confused by much of what we did tactically. A lot of persons mentioning O'brien as a positive: he was energetic and committed, but nothing more. People seemingly forget he was played as an attacking midfielder; he created little and doesn't look to have the craft and quality to play in that position in the Champ. 'Workign hard' should be a pre-requisite. If we're taking players running a lot as a positive, it shows just how far we have fallen. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 16, 2019 9:29:29 GMT 1
no major injuries. There’s some good news
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 16, 2019 9:32:23 GMT 1
Has this thread morphed into raking up old matches? Can anybody see any positives from today? How are we expected to comment on questions of improvement and positives without using a benchmark? I think we played a lot better against Reading for 70 mins. The first 45 against Reading had everything but a goal - we played the best football we have in circa 30 games. Wednesday allowed us to look competent in the middle third at least. We were lacklustre in the final-third and sloppy / ponderous in the first. There were some industrious performances but little end-product. We lacked balance (Kongolo and Grant on the left has me scratching my head) and drive. I saw no hint of a change in mentality or approach; I appreciate the Cowleys had four days to prepare, but I saw nothing that suggests imminent change or a purpose. If anything, I was left confused by much of what we did tactically. A lot of persons mentioning O'brien as a positive: he was energetic and committed, but nothing more. People seemingly forget he was played as an attacking midfielder; he created little and doesn't look to have the craft and quality to play in that position in the Champ. 'Workign hard' should be a pre-requisite. If we're taking players running a lot as a positive, it shows just how far we have fallen. From what Cowley said, he would have played 4-2-3-1 if Pritchard had not been injured. O'Brien could play one of the 2 with Chalobah, with Pritchard at the centre of the three and Campbell up top. Grant would be on the left of the three - the position Cowley says he played at Crawley and Charlton. |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 16, 2019 9:33:14 GMT 1
no major injuries. There’s some good news "How could there be," said Colin in the famous video. |
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Post by terryhair57 on Sept 16, 2019 9:39:59 GMT 1
The learning was there for the new management to see in full splendour! It’s probably a good thing because if they’d flooked a good performance it would have taken another week for the true issues to be confirmed.
The biggest dilemma will be, we waste two places in the squad by including Mbenza and Diakhaby, who are our assets in financial terms, but are clearly not up to the task each week. The game plan would be different if they weren’t in the frame, yes they can run fast but that’s it ! I respect the fact that the others aren’t firing in all four cylinders either but for me it’s a real issue demonstrated in technicolour yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 9:46:59 GMT 1
We learned nothing yesterday. Big job ahead, right through the team. Staying up is the main focus and it may not be pretty. I think the Cowleys will have learned plenty. They will have done, yes. Same old discussions on here with the usual culprits being singled out. Needs fresh, experienced eyes, which the Cowleys hopefully bring. |
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Post by tyketaffy on Sept 16, 2019 9:50:09 GMT 1
Did anyone seriously expect a huge change from the new managers when they have had less than a week to work with the players ? They are not stupid they know what they need to do but they need to be given time to do so. Its going to take a few games before they can start to get the players play to the systems they are bringing in and we see some changes.
They did warn us that they do not have a magic wand to use in a few days days and turn around a team who has consistently lost competitive games for over a year now. The confidence level amongst the players is shot, they are all terrified of making mistakes and once we went one down you could see the heads drop. Its hard as a fan to take but the manager needs to be given time to change what is a long term decline. I have no doubt they will keep us up this year but that in itself will be an achievement given the mess they walked into.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 9:58:17 GMT 1
We learned nothing yesterday. Big job ahead, right through the team. Staying up is the main focus and it may not be pretty. I think the Cowleys will have learned plenty. I'm sure they have.despite the result one thing I saw yesterday was how intensive the warm up was both starting eleven and subs working together not in separate groups with the coweys very involed.it will take time but I think there man management will be spot on. that is so important |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 16, 2019 10:05:38 GMT 1
How are we expected to comment on questions of improvement and positives without using a benchmark? I think we played a lot better against Reading for 70 mins. The first 45 against Reading had everything but a goal - we played the best football we have in circa 30 games. Wednesday allowed us to look competent in the middle third at least. We were lacklustre in the final-third and sloppy / ponderous in the first. There were some industrious performances but little end-product. We lacked balance (Kongolo and Grant on the left has me scratching my head) and drive. I saw no hint of a change in mentality or approach; I appreciate the Cowleys had four days to prepare, but I saw nothing that suggests imminent change or a purpose. If anything, I was left confused by much of what we did tactically. A lot of persons mentioning O'brien as a positive: he was energetic and committed, but nothing more. People seemingly forget he was played as an attacking midfielder; he created little and doesn't look to have the craft and quality to play in that position in the Champ. 'Workign hard' should be a pre-requisite. If we're taking players running a lot as a positive, it shows just how far we have fallen. From what Cowley said, he would have played 4-2-3-1 if Pritchard had not been injured. O'Brien could play one of the 2 with Chalobah, with Pritchard at the centre of the three and Campbell up top. Grant would be on the left of the three - the position Cowley says he played at Crawley and Charlton. Would haves and could do's are theoretical. Reflecting on yesterdays performance though and whether we can take positives from it, it sounds as though we committed to playing O'Brien when we had Brown and Kachunga at our disposal who would have bought a more attacking mindset (round peg, round hole). Instead we fudged it and O'Brien added little to what we have. Which I can't work out if we are 'going back to basics' etc etc. Kach' would have given us just as much endeavour, we know this on balance from all his performance - he works hard. As for Grant on the left, he may well have done that for Crawley and Charlton in Leagues one and two, but he wasn't as prolific as he has been down the middle and with respect, he has to be a damn site better with his movement, his touch and his craft if he's going to make that position work in the Champ - Odubjao had him in his pocket. Bacuna showed more intent when he came on and in his first touched managed to do something that Grant couldn't all game. On the topic of positives, Grant has been one of only few positives we can take from last season and this so far - he's scored 57% of our total league goals (from the time he signed) and from a central position (FACT). If we're going to persist with playing him on the left just so we can get him and Campbell on the same pitch, we stand loose the potency of our best asset in my opinion. This is a negative for me. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 16, 2019 10:09:16 GMT 1
Time and more than likely another one or two windows.
Phil said it weeks ago.
We failed to defend in any meaningful way twice and lost. That needs addressing long before we start looking at why we don't score. Defending up the pitch and challenging where the ball is will actually enhance our attacking. Running away and defendng deep does to some tune affect your attacking the two are very much linked.
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Post by Tiro on Sept 16, 2019 10:09:50 GMT 1
Did anyone seriously expect a huge change from the new managers when they have had less than a week to work with the players ? They are not stupid they know what they need to do but they need to be given time to do so. Its going to take a few games before they can start to get the players play to the systems they are bringing in and we see some changes. They did warn us that they do not have a magic wand to use in a few days days and turn around a team who has consistently lost competitive games for over a year now. The confidence level amongst the players is shot, they are all terrified of making mistakes and once we went one down you could see the heads drop. Its hard as a fan to take but the manager needs to be given time to change what is a long term decline. I have no doubt they will keep us up this year but that in itself will be an achievement given the mess they walked into. No, I don't think they did on balance. I think we were all hopeful, new manager effect etc (that statistically doesn't actually exist), but I many would agree with you on balance and in honesty. But i think the discussion is around the game itself and whether we did or din't see any signs of 'green shoots of recovery'. |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 16, 2019 10:20:01 GMT 1
I think the Cowleys will have learned plenty. They will have done, yes. Same old discussions on here with the usual culprits being singled out. Needs fresh, experienced eyes, which the Cowleys hopefully bring. Do you think that's maybe because we didn't see anything different and we watched the same old culprits do the same thing they take criticism for? I'm not saying people to were right to expect more given DC only had four days to prepare, its just maybe the reason for your gripe. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 16, 2019 10:25:45 GMT 1
From what Cowley said, he would have played 4-2-3-1 if Pritchard had not been injured. O'Brien could play one of the 2 with Chalobah, with Pritchard at the centre of the three and Campbell up top. Grant would be on the left of the three - the position Cowley says he played at Crawley and Charlton. Would haves and could do's are theoretical. Reflecting on yesterdays performance though and whether we can take positives from it, it sounds as though we committed to playing O'Brien when we had Brown and Kachunga that would have bought a more attacking mindset. Instead we fudged it and O'Brien added little to what we have. As for Grant on the left, he may well have done that for Crawley and Charlton in Leagues one and two, but he wasn't as prolific as he has been down the middle and with respect, he has to a damn site better with his movement, his touch and his craft if he's going to make that position work in the Champ - Odubjao had him in his pocket. Bacuna showed more intent when he came on in his first touched managed to do something that Grant couldn't all game. On the topic of positives, Grant has been one of only few positives we can take from last season and this so far - he's scored 57% of our total league goals (from the time he signed) and from a central position (FACT). If we're going to persist with playing him on the left just so we can get him and Campbell on the same pitch, we loose the potency of our best asset. This is a negative for me. The problem is Grants hold up play is appalling. Every ball played up to him does not stick, its either taken away from him instantly or he gets it under control and instead of bringing others into play and then making a run he turns head down direct to goal with nobody close to him. Worked once at West Ham...99 times out of 100 he'll just get snuffed out by weight of numbers. We could probably carry that if we still had Mooy to dictate, had a number 10 who acted as an outball on the half turn like Palmer did and dominated possession via passing through the thirds. But we arent that side anymore, and we dont have the players to do that. We dont even have the VLP outball anymore, who for all his faults he regularly beat men in our half and got us 40 yards up the pitch. So despite Grants scoring record its all a bit Jordan Rhodes again, and we arent good enough to carry him. The sqaud is completely unbalanced and whatever formation and style you want to play there's holes and weaknesses. Its a mess. Jordan Rhodes was at his best in the championship alongside Rudy Gestede, so maybe 2 up top with Mounie (if he can be arsed) is the way forward. But then Pritchard either doesnt play or plays wide if playing 442...or we go back to some version of 352 and bin all the wingers, but I dont think we have a who would be comfortable on the right side of a 3 as they end up in the FB slot a lot - you dont want Elphick there with his legs miles away from goal. Problems all round. |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 16, 2019 10:28:53 GMT 1
Would haves and could do's are theoretical. Reflecting on yesterdays performance though and whether we can take positives from it, it sounds as though we committed to playing O'Brien when we had Brown and Kachunga that would have bought a more attacking mindset. Instead we fudged it and O'Brien added little to what we have. As for Grant on the left, he may well have done that for Crawley and Charlton in Leagues one and two, but he wasn't as prolific as he has been down the middle and with respect, he has to a damn site better with his movement, his touch and his craft if he's going to make that position work in the Champ - Odubjao had him in his pocket. Bacuna showed more intent when he came on in his first touched managed to do something that Grant couldn't all game. On the topic of positives, Grant has been one of only few positives we can take from last season and this so far - he's scored 57% of our total league goals (from the time he signed) and from a central position (FACT). If we're going to persist with playing him on the left just so we can get him and Campbell on the same pitch, we loose the potency of our best asset. This is a negative for me. The problem is Grants hold up play is appalling. Every ball played up to him does not stick, its either taken away from him instantly or he gets it under control and instead of bringing others into play and then making a run he turns head down direct to goal with nobody close to him. Worked once at West Ham...99 times out of 100 he'll just get snuffed out by weight of numbers. We could probably carry that if we still had Mooy to dictate, had a number 10 who acted as an outball on the half turn like Palmer did and dominated possession via passing through the thirds. But we arent that side anymore, and we dont have the players to do that. We dont even have the VLP outball anymore, who for all his faults he regularly beat men in our half and got us 40 yards up the pitch. So despite Grants scoring record its all a bit Jordan Rhodes again, and we arent good enough to carry him. The sqaud is completely unbalanced and whatever formation and style you want to play there's holes and weaknesses. Its a mess. Jordan Rhodes was at his best in the championship alongside Rudy Gestede, so maybe 2 up top with Mounie (if he can be arsed) is the way forward. But then Pritchard either doesnt play or plays wide if playing 442...or we go back to some version of 352 and bin all the wingers, but I dont think we have a who would be comfortable on the right side of a 3 as they end up in the FB slot a lot - you dont want Elphick there with his legs miles away from goal. Problems all round.Stankovic may be OK on the right of a back three. More mobile than the other options. He can also pick a pass, going by the development game against Oxford. |
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Post by tyketaffy on Sept 16, 2019 10:30:54 GMT 1
Did anyone seriously expect a huge change from the new managers when they have had less than a week to work with the players ? They are not stupid they know what they need to do but they need to be given time to do so. Its going to take a few games before they can start to get the players play to the systems they are bringing in and we see some changes. They did warn us that they do not have a magic wand to use in a few days days and turn around a team who has consistently lost competitive games for over a year now. The confidence level amongst the players is shot, they are all terrified of making mistakes and once we went one down you could see the heads drop. Its hard as a fan to take but the manager needs to be given time to change what is a long term decline. I have no doubt they will keep us up this year but that in itself will be an achievement given the mess they walked into. No, I don't think they did on balance. I think we were all hopeful, new manager effect etc (that statistically doesn't actually exist), but I many would agree with you on balance and in honesty. But i think the discussion is around the game itself and whether we did or din't see any signs of 'green shoots of recovery'. The biggest positive for me from the game was I saw a manager running the show I trust to get us back on an upward trend |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 16, 2019 10:31:55 GMT 1
Would haves and could do's are theoretical. Reflecting on yesterdays performance though and whether we can take positives from it, it sounds as though we committed to playing O'Brien when we had Brown and Kachunga that would have bought a more attacking mindset. Instead we fudged it and O'Brien added little to what we have. As for Grant on the left, he may well have done that for Crawley and Charlton in Leagues one and two, but he wasn't as prolific as he has been down the middle and with respect, he has to a damn site better with his movement, his touch and his craft if he's going to make that position work in the Champ - Odubjao had him in his pocket. Bacuna showed more intent when he came on in his first touched managed to do something that Grant couldn't all game. On the topic of positives, Grant has been one of only few positives we can take from last season and this so far - he's scored 57% of our total league goals (from the time he signed) and from a central position (FACT). If we're going to persist with playing him on the left just so we can get him and Campbell on the same pitch, we loose the potency of our best asset. This is a negative for me. The problem is Grants hold up play is appalling. Every ball played up to him does not stick, its either taken away from him instantly or he gets it under control and instead of bringing others into play and then making a run he turns head down direct to goal with nobody close to him. Worked once at West Ham...99 times out of 100 he'll just get snuffed out by weight of numbers. We could probably carry that if we still had Mooy to dictate, had a number 10 who acted as an outball on the half turn like Palmer did and dominated possession via passing through the thirds. But we arent that side anymore, and we dont have the players to do that. We dont even have the VLP outball anymore, who for all his faults he regularly beat men in our half and got us 40 yards up the pitch. So despite Grants scoring record its all a bit Jordan Rhodes again, and we arent good enough to carry him. The sqaud is completely unbalanced and whatever formation and style you want to play there's holes and weaknesses. Its a mess. Jordan Rhodes was at his best in the championship alongside Rudy Gestede, so maybe 2 up top with Mounie (if he can be arsed) is the way forward. But then Pritchard either doesnt play or plays wide if playing 442...or we go back to some version of 352 and bin all the wingers, but I dont think we have a who would be comfortable on the right side of a 3 as they end up in the FB slot a lot - you dont want Elphick there with his legs miles away from goal. Problems all round. I don't disagree. But would you rather take a central Karlan Grant, one that scored/scores goals despite poor hold-up play, or stick him on the left where he's gong to need a lot more than endeavour to make an impact and his touch is going to be even more questionable? If we're playing Grant on the left and expecting Campbell to do the donkey work and hold up play, then I think we're worse off. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 16, 2019 10:33:40 GMT 1
The problem is Grants hold up play is appalling. Every ball played up to him does not stick, its either taken away from him instantly or he gets it under control and instead of bringing others into play and then making a run he turns head down direct to goal with nobody close to him. Worked once at West Ham...99 times out of 100 he'll just get snuffed out by weight of numbers. We could probably carry that if we still had Mooy to dictate, had a number 10 who acted as an outball on the half turn like Palmer did and dominated possession via passing through the thirds. But we arent that side anymore, and we dont have the players to do that. We dont even have the VLP outball anymore, who for all his faults he regularly beat men in our half and got us 40 yards up the pitch. So despite Grants scoring record its all a bit Jordan Rhodes again, and we arent good enough to carry him. The sqaud is completely unbalanced and whatever formation and style you want to play there's holes and weaknesses. Its a mess. Jordan Rhodes was at his best in the championship alongside Rudy Gestede, so maybe 2 up top with Mounie (if he can be arsed) is the way forward. But then Pritchard either doesnt play or plays wide if playing 442...or we go back to some version of 352 and bin all the wingers, but I dont think we have a who would be comfortable on the right side of a 3 as they end up in the FB slot a lot - you dont want Elphick there with his legs miles away from goal. Problems all round.Stankovic may be OK on the right of a back three. More mobile than the other options. He can also pick a pass, going by the development game against Oxford. He'd be the one I'd choose if going that route but he'd get done for pace and struggle to get back in. Better on the ball than Elphick though. |
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Post by blueandbrightside on Sept 16, 2019 10:34:41 GMT 1
We did OK. Plenty to be positive about. Just a clear lack of understanding and cohesion but that will come. Keith Andrews on Sky could see what we were trying to do. This was new managers first game and he'll have learned more in these 90 mins than the last 5 days. Unfortunately we have to be patient. What we're we trying to do? Genuinely? For the first 10 mins, whilst our fragile confidence held, we were clearly trying to play the ball in behind them. Once we, seemingly inevitably, went behind the confidence went (in the crowd too who I thought were enjoying it till then, I was). Lots of work to do though, coupled with the fact that we don’t seem to have a squad hat can fill any given formation as you’d like then it could be a while before we pick up. It’d be a good start for me if we could get the front 3 playing together instead of miles apart. The manager mentioned Liverpool; Their front 3 aren’t twi on the touchlines and one in the middle when attacking, they come in and work together. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 16, 2019 10:37:51 GMT 1
The problem is Grants hold up play is appalling. Every ball played up to him does not stick, its either taken away from him instantly or he gets it under control and instead of bringing others into play and then making a run he turns head down direct to goal with nobody close to him. Worked once at West Ham...99 times out of 100 he'll just get snuffed out by weight of numbers. We could probably carry that if we still had Mooy to dictate, had a number 10 who acted as an outball on the half turn like Palmer did and dominated possession via passing through the thirds. But we arent that side anymore, and we dont have the players to do that. We dont even have the VLP outball anymore, who for all his faults he regularly beat men in our half and got us 40 yards up the pitch. So despite Grants scoring record its all a bit Jordan Rhodes again, and we arent good enough to carry him. The sqaud is completely unbalanced and whatever formation and style you want to play there's holes and weaknesses. Its a mess. Jordan Rhodes was at his best in the championship alongside Rudy Gestede, so maybe 2 up top with Mounie (if he can be arsed) is the way forward. But then Pritchard either doesnt play or plays wide if playing 442...or we go back to some version of 352 and bin all the wingers, but I dont think we have a who would be comfortable on the right side of a 3 as they end up in the FB slot a lot - you dont want Elphick there with his legs miles away from goal. Problems all round. I don't disagree. But would you rather take a central Karlan Grant, one that scored/scores goals despite poor hold-up play, or stick him on the left where he's gong to need a lot more than endeavour to have to make an impact and his touch is going to be even more questionable? If we're playing Grant on the left and expecting Campbell to do the donkey work and hold up play, then I think we're worse off. I honestly dont know, but I can see the logic and temptation behind trying other ways. Lets not forget 2 of his 4 goals this season are pens and 1 was probably an own goal. He's hardly rifling them in in open play. |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 16, 2019 10:42:05 GMT 1
I don't disagree. But would you rather take a central Karlan Grant, one that scored/scores goals despite poor hold-up play, or stick him on the left where he's gong to need a lot more than endeavour to have to make an impact and his touch is going to be even more questionable? If we're playing Grant on the left and expecting Campbell to do the donkey work and hold up play, then I think we're worse off. I honestly dont know, but I can see the logic and temptation behind trying other ways. Lets not forget 2 of his 4 goals this season are pens and 1 was probably an own goal. He's hardly rifling them in in open play. So, are we saying that the officials / authorities are largely responsible for assisting us with 60% of our total goals? Because that is depressing.   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 10:51:01 GMT 1
As I have said before
It's not difficult for all to see (inc the Cowleys) where the problems are with the way Town play. The difficulty is - can we put it right with the players we have.
At this moment - unfortunately - I think not.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 16, 2019 10:56:09 GMT 1
Someone mentioned Mooy above. Wonder what he's thinking now, in terms of the game time he's getting? Not suggesting it'll alter his thinking & pretty sure he'll be thinking he made the right move, but he always struck me as a player who wanted to play 90 mins every game. Ten mins here & there isn't the platform to demonstrate your worth to the Mgr...
Be interesting to see if he remains on the bench at Brighton, because there's no good reason why he shouldn't be getting a place in that team. For all our problems last season, Brighton weren't exactly head and shoulders above us.
We need him to get game time anyway, he's our asset & without any sort of visible form down there he'll diminish in value.
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Post by captainblack on Sept 16, 2019 11:07:24 GMT 1
Has this thread morphed into raking up old matches? Can anybody see any positives from today? I thought there were positives , flo passed a lovely long ball to Grant (I think) , who headed into the box , sadly there was no one in a central position , It did show we are capable of varying play, something we desperately need to start doing. As has been stated its early doors still for the Cowley's and we need to be patient, It may take us another 5/6 games before we begin to click .The Cowley's seem an intelligent pair and we all hope with a better knowledge of the squad we will begin to improve. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Sept 16, 2019 14:05:57 GMT 1
Game one for the Cowleys, be interesting to have one of those polls that predicts when the first win will come. I notice a theme among our posters, that they get annoyed when the manager does not pick the same players or adopt the same formation that they would do, given the chance. It most certainly is clean slate time, so its no good thinking that player x or player Y might have been better. If, in ten games time, we are still, winless and rock bottom, than I guess it will be acceptable to have mass suicides in St Georges square. UTT.
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Post by captainblack on Sept 16, 2019 16:12:41 GMT 1
Time and more than likely another one or two windows. Phil said it weeks ago. We failed to defend in any meaningful way twice and lost. That needs addressing long before we start looking at why we don't score. Defending up the pitch and challenging where the ball is will actually enhance our attacking. Running away and defendng deep does to some tune affect your attacking the two are very much linked. Phil has stated that it may take a few windows to change our fortunes round ,obviously I am hopeful we will see improvements in our results before January . It worries me though to think we will still be struggling, and the club deciding not to invest in the players we need ,leading to another relegation . This is pure speculation on my part , which I admit , though it did happen last season.I am generally pretty positive and just hope the Cowley's get to grips with the problems we are encountering at the present time. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 16, 2019 16:50:43 GMT 1
Someone mentioned Mooy above. Wonder what he's thinking now, in terms of the game time he's getting? Not suggesting it'll alter his thinking & pretty sure he'll be thinking he made the right move, but he always struck me as a player who wanted to play 90 mins every game. Ten mins here & there isn't the platform to demonstrate your worth to the Mgr... Be interesting to see if he remains on the bench at Brighton, because there's no good reason why he shouldn't be getting a place in that team. For all our problems last season, Brighton weren't exactly head and shoulders above us. We need him to get game time anyway, he's our asset & without any sort of visible form down there he'll diminish in value. Can we recall him? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 19:00:05 GMT 1
They will have done, yes. Same old discussions on here with the usual culprits being singled out. Needs fresh, experienced eyes, which the Cowleys hopefully bring. Do you think that's maybe because we didn't see anything different and we watched the same old culprits do the same thing they take criticism for? I'm not saying people to were right to expect more given DC only had four days to prepare, its just maybe the reason for your gripe. To be honest it is more about posters having to single individuals out rather than accept as a team we are very poor. Some players do look dodgy but I think some posters pick on the same players all the time. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 16, 2019 19:23:08 GMT 1
I thought it was the worst display of the season
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Post by htfcsince70 on Sept 16, 2019 19:40:35 GMT 1
Do you think that's maybe because we didn't see anything different and we watched the same old culprits do the same thing they take criticism for? I'm not saying people to were right to expect more given DC only had four days to prepare, its just maybe the reason for your gripe. To be honest it is more about posters having to single individuals out rather than accept as a team we are very poor. Some players do look dodgy but I think some posters pick on the same players all the time. As I team I agree we are poor - but unfortunately it is often the same individuals who come in for individual criticism that are often the poorest players time and time again - the problem is that others have now slipped too but they still remain above players such as Mbenza, Diakahby and Bacuna in my opinion. Diakahby's body language is a concern - Danny Cowley even had to gee him up when coming off after the warm up. I understand that he is a young lad who is away from home and has found things difficult - to be fair I don't even blame him or the other players mentioned - I blame those who brought them in and who were convinced by agents who obviously put together a fantastic DVD of the good bits that the players have - it has to be that,because anyone who watched them live would have said forget them! I hope that the Cowley's can get them to be the players that we all hoped that they would be - I really do because if they do then we will be doing well. It might also mean that they really do have the magic wand that they claim they don't have  |
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