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Post by pterrier on Sept 20, 2019 15:34:33 GMT 1
Long time lurker, first time poster and I’m sure this one will ruffle a few feathers but I know I’m not alone in my thinking after chatting with many town fans recently.
The harsh, depressing and ultimately inevitable consequence of Dean being paid back his full loan, then we are going to sink back into league one and perhaps take a long, long time to come back.
Yes Dean is technically entitled to it but what an absolute waste of a chance to capitalise on the incredible position we’ve found ourselves in after Wagner worked miracles On a comparatively shoe string budget. For the first time in generations we’ve got great attendances and a chance to put the club on a much better footing but at present, and with the current momentum, we are spiralling back towards mediocrity.
I also think that there are a few issues surrounding the recall of such a substantial amount of money that must be considered...
If I gave a monkey my credit card, then I wouldn’t expect anyone else rather than me to pick up the bill; I gave it the card and sanctioned the transactions. A harsh analogy? Perhaps. But if I was ultimately responsible for employing two shoddy directors of football and on a top of that not even having one for the majority of our prem league campaign then you have to accept that your scouting network is going to be vastly underdeveloped and this has shown in the quite frankly shoddy transfer dealings over the past two seasons which now seem to be severely hindering us; on the playing field but most significantly financially. Iif that formed part of my legacy as chairmen then I’d sure as hell not be asking for THAt chunk/portion of my loan back.
As a lifelong town fan, if someone said to me that I could sacrifice one tenth of my wealth to see us establish ourselves as a top 30 club for the years to come then I would in a heartbeat; in truth I’ve probably spent more than 10% of my wealth following town over the years and I’d never expect to see this back.
Rubery was derided for his decision to stop financing the club; Davey was derided for putting nothing in; yet if we are looking at net loss incurred by all the chairmen of town over the years, if Dean gets all his money back, then I can’t think of anyone who has come out as well as Dean!
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I appreciate under dean we have come so far, I expect few on here to
agree. Fundamentally, I hope that Dean is looking at us at present and feeling that something can be arranged to help us out; we’ve preached for years about being sustainable, achieving longevity; if we fall like a stone over the next few years then it’s fair to say that we’ve spectacularly failed to achieve this vision, despite and I quote the words of Dean: ‘not blowing our brains out’... We’ve ended up with at least a 50million debt, a poor squad, no ownership of the stadium and no academy; I’m not even sure that we own our own training ground.
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2019 15:42:37 GMT 1
I gave a monkey my cedit card once..
The fooker cleaned me out on bananas and peanuts..
Greedy bastad..
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Post by hthtafs on Sept 20, 2019 15:56:40 GMT 1
Long time lurker, first time poster and I’m sure this one will ruffle a few feathers but I know I’m not alone in my thinking after chatting with many town fans recently. The harsh, depressing and ultimately inevitable consequence of Dean being paid back his full loan, then we are going to sink back into league one and perhaps take a long, long time to come back. Yes Dean is technically entitled to it but what an absolute waste of a chance to capitalise on the incredible position we’ve found ourselves in after Wagner worked miracles On a comparatively shoe string budget. For the first time in generations we’ve got great attendances and a chance to put the club on a much better footing but at present, and with the current momentum, we are spiralling back towards mediocrity. I also think that there are a few issues surrounding the recall of such a substantial amount of money that must be considered... If I gave a monkey my credit card, then I wouldn’t expect anyone else rather than me to pick up the bill; I gave it the card and sanctioned the transactions. A harsh analogy? Perhaps. But if I was ultimately responsible for employing two shoddy directors of football and on a top of that not even having one for the majority of our prem league campaign then you have to accept that your scouting network is going to be vastly underdeveloped and this has shown in the quite frankly shoddy transfer dealings over the past two seasons which now seem to be severely hindering us; on the playing field but most significantly financially. Iif that formed part of my legacy as chairmen then I’d sure as hell not be asking for THAt chunk/portion of my loan back. As a lifelong town fan, if someone said to me that I could sacrifice one tenth of my wealth to see us establish ourselves as a top 30 club for the years to come then I would in a heartbeat; in truth I’ve probably spent more than 10% of my wealth following town over the years and I’d never expect to see this back. Rubery was derided for his decision to stop financing the club; Davey was derided for putting nothing in; yet if we are looking at net loss incurred by all the chairmen of town over the years, if Dean gets all his money back, then I can’t think of anyone who has come out as well as Dean! . I appreciate under dean we have come so far, I expect few on here to agree. Fundamentally, I hope that Dean is looking at us at present and feeling that something can be arranged to help us out; we’ve preached for years about being sustainable, achieving longevity; if we fall like a stone over the next few years then it’s fair to say that we’ve spectacularly failed to achieve this vision, despite and I quote the words of Dean: ‘not blowing our brains out’... We’ve ended up with at least a 50million debt, a poor squad, no ownership of the stadium and no academy; I’m not even sure that we own our own training ground. Great post - DH legacy will be measured in part by where we end up post his tenure. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Sept 20, 2019 15:57:09 GMT 1
I gave a monkey my cedit card once.. The fooker cleaned me out on bananas and peanuts.. Greedy bastad.. 🐒 Yeah mine got stolen last month but I've not bothered to report it, they spend less with it than my wife did. B,dum, Tish. |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2019 16:06:21 GMT 1
Agree with the gist of the op to be honest..
Deano knew the risks when he became chairman..
If he insists on recouping all his investments ..
Will probably put us back in lg 1..
So ..
What was the point of his investing in 1st place?
Just write it off dean ..
Thers a good lad🤪
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Post by El Mel on Sept 20, 2019 16:07:11 GMT 1
God we desperately need a win to calm some of our fans down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 16:08:08 GMT 1
The fundamental mistake here is that...
Dean didn’t just give his credit card to a couple of monkeys to spend on a football team and then said, “oh by the way, can you pay me back now”.
He reached into his back pocket and said, “times are tough and you need a little step up, here’s a few quid to keep you going as I know you’re really going to struggle without it...I don’t necessarily want it back any time soon, but when and if you can afford to repay me, please do”
Yes...he CHOSE to give the money, but it wasn’t anonymously thrown into a charity bucket as a gift.
The club now can afford to repay him, and therefore should.
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2019 16:13:43 GMT 1
The fundamental mistake here is that... Dean didn’t just give his credit card to a couple of monkeys to spend on a football team and then said, “oh by the way, can you pay me back now”. He reached into his back pocket and said, “times are tough and you need a little step up, here’s a few quid to keep you going as I know you’re really going to struggle without it...I don’t necessarily want it back any time soon, but when and if you can afford to repay me, please do” Yes...he CHOSE to give the money, but it wasn’t anonymously thrown into a charity bucket as a gift. The club now can afford to repay him, and therefore should. Even if it screws up the club and gets us relegated again? As long as dean gets his brass back.. Thats the main thing eh? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2019 16:15:21 GMT 1
The fundamental mistake here is that... Dean didn’t just give his credit card to a couple of monkeys to spend on a football team and then said, “oh by the way, can you pay me back now”. He reached into his back pocket and said, “times are tough and you need a little step up, here’s a few quid to keep you going as I know you’re really going to struggle without it...I don’t necessarily want it back any time soon, but when and if you can afford to repay me, please do” Yes...he CHOSE to give the money, but it wasn’t anonymously thrown into a charity bucket as a gift. The club now can afford to repay him, and therefore should. Even if it screws up the club and gets us relegated again? As long as dean gets his brass back.. Thats the main thing eh? We've about the sixth biggest budget in the league. You're being a little melodramatic |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2019 16:18:42 GMT 1
Even if it screws up the club and gets us relegated again? As long as dean gets his brass back.. Thats the main thing eh? We've about the sixth biggest budget in the league. You're being a little melodramatic And about the 24th best team.. Im sure next season when we are playing port vale in front of 7 thousand fans everybody will console themselves wi the knowledge that dean got his brass back.. 🤯 |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 20, 2019 16:20:46 GMT 1
We signed non league footballers due to the finances..
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2019 16:23:00 GMT 1
We've about the sixth biggest budget in the league. You're being a little melodramatic And about the 24th best team.. Im sure next season when we are playing port vale in front of 7 thousand fans everybody will console themselves wi the knowledge that dean got his brass back.. 🤯 6th biggest budget 24th best team suggests that pumping more money in doesn't always guarantee success. Trust in the brothers we will be OK |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 16:23:09 GMT 1
The fundamental mistake here is that... Dean didn’t just give his credit card to a couple of monkeys to spend on a football team and then said, “oh by the way, can you pay me back now”. He reached into his back pocket and said, “times are tough and you need a little step up, here’s a few quid to keep you going as I know you’re really going to struggle without it...I don’t necessarily want it back any time soon, but when and if you can afford to repay me, please do” Yes...he CHOSE to give the money, but it wasn’t anonymously thrown into a charity bucket as a gift. The club now can afford to repay him, and therefore should. Even if it screws up the club and gets us relegated again? As long as dean gets his brass back.. Thats the main thing eh? We have been struggling for a while, which included before Dean took any money back. The plan now is long term and should not depend on a multi millionaire owner regularly dipping into his pocket. We need to give the new owner and manager time to turn things around. Dean has not gone away just taken a step back. I for one am really pleased we are in a position for Dean to recoup the very large sums of money he invested with no guarantee of any return. We are a much better run club now with better facilities, we just need to sort the team out. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2019 16:24:14 GMT 1
We signed non league footballers due to the finances.. Do you think clubs should never sign players from divisions below theirs? |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2019 16:27:38 GMT 1
And about the 24th best team.. Im sure next season when we are playing port vale in front of 7 thousand fans everybody will console themselves wi the knowledge that dean got his brass back.. 🤯 6th biggest budget 24th best team suggests that pumping more money in doesn't always guarantee success. Trust in the brothers we will be OK Hope youre right bro.. We may have the 6th biggest budget but we spent fook all in the summer.. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 20, 2019 16:39:23 GMT 1
It's about who's next. Three year period to consolidate and hopefully get around the playoffs. Dean will be paid off which means that the club would be a debt free, top half club in the championship.
Almost unheard of. That's when the club will be attractive to buyers.
That's the exit plan.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2019 16:39:41 GMT 1
6th biggest budget 24th best team suggests that pumping more money in doesn't always guarantee success. Trust in the brothers we will be OK Hope youre right bro.. We may have the 6th biggest budget but we spent fook all in the summer.. I suppose Chalobah and Grabbara are playing for their BFH |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 20, 2019 16:40:51 GMT 1
I'm thinking 12 pages before this gets merged?
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2019 16:46:43 GMT 1
Hope youre right bro.. We may have the 6th biggest budget but we spent fook all in the summer.. I suppose Chalobah and Grabbara are playing for their BFH Zanka Lossl Depoitre Durm Billing Lowe Mooy Vlp All off the wage bill Chabs and grabs on loan so no transfer fee.. Lower lg players signed will be on a fraction of the wages of the players we released/sold.. Like i said.. We spent fook all in the summer.. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2019 16:50:05 GMT 1
I suppose Chalobah and Grabbara are playing for their BFH Zanka Lossl Depoitre Durm Billing Lowe Mooy Vlp All off the wage bill Chabs and grabs on loan so no transfer fee.. Lower lg players signed will be on a fraction of the wages of the players we released/sold.. Like i said.. We spent fook all in the summer.. Thanks for the data. Not sure how if have coped without it. We had another shit transfer window. But we are still hugely underperforming comparative to budget. W aren't skint and we will spend money. Stop crying. If you can't handle town being lower championship higher league one then I'm not sure where you've been for the last 45 years |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 16:50:44 GMT 1
I suppose Chalobah and Grabbara are playing for their BFH Zanka Lossl Depoitre Durm Billing Lowe Mooy Vlp All off the wage bill Chabs and grabs on loan so no transfer fee.. Lower lg players signed will be on a fraction of the wages of the players we released/sold.. Like i said.. We spent fook all in the summer.. You never heard the term loan fees? |
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Post by El Mel on Sept 20, 2019 16:51:05 GMT 1
I suppose Chalobah and Grabbara are playing for their BFH Zanka Lossl Depoitre Durm Billing Lowe Mooy Vlp All off the wage bill Chabs and grabs on loan so no transfer fee.. Lower lg players signed will be on a fraction of the wages of the players we released/sold.. Like i said.. We spent fook all in the summer.. We were in transition if ownership for most of it. |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2019 16:54:47 GMT 1
Zanka Lossl Depoitre Durm Billing Lowe Mooy Vlp All off the wage bill Chabs and grabs on loan so no transfer fee.. Lower lg players signed will be on a fraction of the wages of the players we released/sold.. Like i said.. We spent fook all in the summer.. Thanks for the data. Not sure how if have coped without it. We had another shit transfer window. But we are still hugely underperforming comparative to budget. W aren't skint and we will spend money. Stop crying. If you can't handle town being lower championship higher league one then I'm not sure where you've been for the last 45 years Happy to help bro.. Im like a moth drawn to the bright lights of the prem lg tho.. Not sure if i can be arsed wi port vale again? Fooookin depressing isnt it? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2019 16:56:58 GMT 1
Thanks for the data. Not sure how if have coped without it. We had another shit transfer window. But we are still hugely underperforming comparative to budget. W aren't skint and we will spend money. Stop crying. If you can't handle town being lower championship higher league one then I'm not sure where you've been for the last 45 years Happy to help bro.. Im like a moth drawn to the bright lights of the prem lg tho.. Not sure if i can be arsed wi port vale again? Fooookin depressing isnt it? I loved the premier league and questioned the football nous of folk who couldn't wait to get relegated so we could start winning again. Nothing is guaranteed in football. But I think we will be OK |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 17:00:33 GMT 1
Long time lurker, first time poster and I’m sure this one will ruffle a few feathers but I know I’m not alone in my thinking after chatting with many town fans recently. The harsh, depressing and ultimately inevitable consequence of Dean being paid back his full loan, then we are going to sink back into league one and perhaps take a long, long time to come back. Yes Dean is technically entitled to it but what an absolute waste of a chance to capitalise on the incredible position we’ve found ourselves in after Wagner worked miracles On a comparatively shoe string budget. For the first time in generations we’ve got great attendances and a chance to put the club on a much better footing but at present, and with the current momentum, we are spiralling back towards mediocrity. I also think that there are a few issues surrounding the recall of such a substantial amount of money that must be considered... If I gave a monkey my credit card, then I wouldn’t expect anyone else rather than me to pick up the bill; I gave it the card and sanctioned the transactions. A harsh analogy? Perhaps. But if I was ultimately responsible for employing two shoddy directors of football and on a top of that not even having one for the majority of our prem league campaign then you have to accept that your scouting network is going to be vastly underdeveloped and this has shown in the quite frankly shoddy transfer dealings over the past two seasons which now seem to be severely hindering us; on the playing field but most significantly financially. Iif that formed part of my legacy as chairmen then I’d sure as hell not be asking for THAt chunk/portion of my loan back. As a lifelong town fan, if someone said to me that I could sacrifice one tenth of my wealth to see us establish ourselves as a top 30 club for the years to come then I would in a heartbeat; in truth I’ve probably spent more than 10% of my wealth following town over the years and I’d never expect to see this back. Rubery was derided for his decision to stop financing the club; Davey was derided for putting nothing in; yet if we are looking at net loss incurred by all the chairmen of town over the years, if Dean gets all his money back, then I can’t think of anyone who has come out as well as Dean! . I appreciate under dean we have come so far, I expect few on here to agree. Fundamentally, I hope that Dean is looking at us at present and feeling that something can be arranged to help us out; we’ve preached for years about being sustainable, achieving longevity; if we fall like a stone over the next few years then it’s fair to say that we’ve spectacularly failed to achieve this vision, despite and I quote the words of Dean: ‘not blowing our brains out’... We’ve ended up with at least a 50million debt, a poor squad, no ownership of the stadium and no academy; I’m not even sure that we own our own training ground. we have a academy we have 40 percent of stadium and a long lease on canalside as for your post get in the real world some of the fans on here you included live in fantasy world. What a silly post |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 17:01:10 GMT 1
We've about the sixth biggest budget in the league. You're being a little melodramatic And about the 24th best team.. Im sure next season when we are playing port vale in front of 7 thousand fans everybody will console themselves wi the knowledge that dean got his brass back.. 🤯 And we’d still have the biggest budget in League 1 and be in a better place to get promoted than any other team. Me me me more more more....it’s easy spending other peoples cash. |
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 20, 2019 17:05:16 GMT 1
I suppose Chalobah and Grabbara are playing for their BFH Zanka Lossl Depoitre Durm Billing Lowe Mooy Vlp All off the wage bill Chabs and grabs on loan so no transfer fee.. Lower lg players signed will be on a fraction of the wages of the players we released/sold.. Like i said.. We spent fook all in the summer.. We spent 11m on mbenza. I know it’s hard to believe but hey ho As far as DH taking his money back. Is this true? Lots of people saying it but I’ve not seen anything factual. While I wouldn’t begrudge him doing so I think it would be harsh taking everything out that he’s put in |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 20, 2019 17:09:45 GMT 1
All I read from the OP is that because we are shite Dean shouldn’t get his money back.
Forget what he has done for us, forget the huge, positive changes he has made, forget the millions he ploughed in, forget the personal issues, he should not have back the money he put in. His family’s money, his kids money.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 20, 2019 17:13:51 GMT 1
Long time lurker, first time poster and I’m sure this one will ruffle a few feathers but I know I’m not alone in my thinking after chatting with many town fans recently. The harsh, depressing and ultimately inevitable consequence of Dean being paid back his full loan, then we are going to sink back into league one and perhaps take a long, long time to come back. Yes Dean is technically entitled to it but what an absolute waste of a chance to capitalise on the incredible position we’ve found ourselves in after Wagner worked miracles On a comparatively shoe string budget. For the first time in generations we’ve got great attendances and a chance to put the club on a much better footing but at present, and with the current momentum, we are spiralling back towards mediocrity. I also think that there are a few issues surrounding the recall of such a substantial amount of money that must be considered... If I gave a monkey my credit card, then I wouldn’t expect anyone else rather than me to pick up the bill; I gave it the card and sanctioned the transactions. A harsh analogy? Perhaps. But if I was ultimately responsible for employing two shoddy directors of football and on a top of that not even having one for the majority of our prem league campaign then you have to accept that your scouting network is going to be vastly underdeveloped and this has shown in the quite frankly shoddy transfer dealings over the past two seasons which now seem to be severely hindering us; on the playing field but most significantly financially. Iif that formed part of my legacy as chairmen then I’d sure as hell not be asking for THAt chunk/portion of my loan back. As a lifelong town fan, if someone said to me that I could sacrifice one tenth of my wealth to see us establish ourselves as a top 30 club for the years to come then I would in a heartbeat; in truth I’ve probably spent more than 10% of my wealth following town over the years and I’d never expect to see this back. Rubery was derided for his decision to stop financing the club; Davey was derided for putting nothing in; yet if we are looking at net loss incurred by all the chairmen of town over the years, if Dean gets all his money back, then I can’t think of anyone who has come out as well as Dean! . I appreciate under dean we have come so far, I expect few on here to agree. Fundamentally, I hope that Dean is looking at us at present and feeling that something can be arranged to help us out; we’ve preached for years about being sustainable, achieving longevity; if we fall like a stone over the next few years then it’s fair to say that we’ve spectacularly failed to achieve this vision, despite and I quote the words of Dean: ‘not blowing our brains out’... We’ve ended up with at least a 50million debt, a poor squad, no ownership of the stadium and no academy; I’m not even sure that we own our own training ground. Good Post. Whilst I mean no disrespect to Dean, we would all have to agree that the big message coming out of the club straight after our play off final win was that our place in the PL would secure the clubs future for many years. The debt repayment certainly reduces our ability to challenge for promotion and unless the Cowleys can perform a Wagner miracle, it would appear that we need to lose any ambitious thoughts and accept our place as a lower Championship/ League 1 club. Hard to fathom what we have achieved from spending 2 seasons in the Premier League. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 17:18:31 GMT 1
Long time lurker, first time poster and I’m sure this one will ruffle a few feathers but I know I’m not alone in my thinking after chatting with many town fans recently. The harsh, depressing and ultimately inevitable consequence of Dean being paid back his full loan, then we are going to sink back into league one and perhaps take a long, long time to come back. Yes Dean is technically entitled to it but what an absolute waste of a chance to capitalise on the incredible position we’ve found ourselves in after Wagner worked miracles On a comparatively shoe string budget. For the first time in generations we’ve got great attendances and a chance to put the club on a much better footing but at present, and with the current momentum, we are spiralling back towards mediocrity. I also think that there are a few issues surrounding the recall of such a substantial amount of money that must be considered... If I gave a monkey my credit card, then I wouldn’t expect anyone else rather than me to pick up the bill; I gave it the card and sanctioned the transactions. A harsh analogy? Perhaps. But if I was ultimately responsible for employing two shoddy directors of football and on a top of that not even having one for the majority of our prem league campaign then you have to accept that your scouting network is going to be vastly underdeveloped and this has shown in the quite frankly shoddy transfer dealings over the past two seasons which now seem to be severely hindering us; on the playing field but most significantly financially. Iif that formed part of my legacy as chairmen then I’d sure as hell not be asking for THAt chunk/portion of my loan back. As a lifelong town fan, if someone said to me that I could sacrifice one tenth of my wealth to see us establish ourselves as a top 30 club for the years to come then I would in a heartbeat; in truth I’ve probably spent more than 10% of my wealth following town over the years and I’d never expect to see this back. Rubery was derided for his decision to stop financing the club; Davey was derided for putting nothing in; yet if we are looking at net loss incurred by all the chairmen of town over the years, if Dean gets all his money back, then I can’t think of anyone who has come out as well as Dean! . I appreciate under dean we have come so far, I expect few on here to agree. Fundamentally, I hope that Dean is looking at us at present and feeling that something can be arranged to help us out; we’ve preached for years about being sustainable, achieving longevity; if we fall like a stone over the next few years then it’s fair to say that we’ve spectacularly failed to achieve this vision, despite and I quote the words of Dean: ‘not blowing our brains out’... We’ve ended up with at least a 50million debt, a poor squad, no ownership of the stadium and no academy; I’m not even sure that we own our own training ground. Good Post. Whilst I mean no disrespect to Dean, we would all have to agree that the big message coming out of the club straight after our play off final win was that our place in the PL would secure the clubs future for many years. The debt repayment certainly reduces our ability to challenge for promotion and unless the Cowleys can perform a Wagner miracle, it would appear that we need to lose any ambitious thoughts and accept our place as a lower Championship/ League 1 club. Hard to fathom what we have achieved from spending 2 seasons in the Premier League. The clubs future has been secured for many years and is likely not going to rely on an individual pumping in £5m to £10m of debt every season just to keep its head above the water? Forget a Wagner miracle...we ARENT ever going back up...this is a Championship club and as soon as we all start acting like one instead of spoiled babies then the sooner things might start looking alright. |
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