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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 20, 2019 17:39:10 GMT 1
Could we hang on to the money and do a villa/Newcastle and return to the greedy league and double his investment? I know nothing about football finances but makes sense to me 🤷♂️
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 20, 2019 17:42:43 GMT 1
I’m thinking the only way we attracted the cowleys was to first say keep these idiots up and start resembling something of a football team then there will be investment after this owner transitioning period next summer. Gamble but if it pays off could be something special
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 20, 2019 17:47:03 GMT 1
Good Post. Whilst I mean no disrespect to Dean, we would all have to agree that the big message coming out of the club straight after our play off final win was that our place in the PL would secure the clubs future for many years. The debt repayment certainly reduces our ability to challenge for promotion and unless the Cowleys can perform a Wagner miracle, it would appear that we need to lose any ambitious thoughts and accept our place as a lower Championship/ League 1 club. Hard to fathom what we have achieved from spending 2 seasons in the Premier League. The clubs future has been secured for many years and is likely not going to rely on an individual pumping in £5m to £10m of debt every season just to keep its head above the water? Forget a Wagner miracle...we ARENT ever going back up...this is a Championship club and as soon as we all start acting like one instead of spoiled babies then the sooner things might start looking alright. Bollox bro.. We had a once in a lifetime chance to establish ourselves as a premier lg club.. And we fooked it up.. The people in charge(deano included) Made some catastrophic mistakes.. And must take their share of the blame.. Just like they accepted the plaudits for the success.. So now we fold and accept our miserable place as a lower championship/lg 1 club.. Fookin cosmic.. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 20, 2019 17:59:59 GMT 1
The clubs future has been secured for many years and is likely not going to rely on an individual pumping in £5m to £10m of debt every season just to keep its head above the water? Forget a Wagner miracle...we ARENT ever going back up...this is a Championship club and as soon as we all start acting like one instead of spoiled babies then the sooner things might start looking alright. Bollox bro.. We had a once in a lifetime chance to establish ourselves as a premier lg club.. And we fooked it up.. The people in charge(deano included) Made some catastrophic mistakes.. And must take their share of the blame.. Just like they accepted the plaudits for the success.. So now we fold and accept our miserable place as a lower championship/lg 1 club.. Fookin cosmic.. Agreed. It’s impossible to have managed life in the PL any worse than they did. Total and utter waste of an opportunity. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Sept 20, 2019 18:01:55 GMT 1
We signed non league footballers due to the finances.. Do you think clubs should never sign players from divisions below theirs? Not 4 of the quality we signed when it’s only them.. mixed in with other decent players ok but we needed a lot more quality. Bockhorn... come off it. He should never have been signed. Karoma won’t make it unless we drop down further... Brown could come good. Elphick is finished. |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Sept 20, 2019 18:04:52 GMT 1
Zanka Lossl Depoitre Durm Billing Lowe Mooy Vlp All off the wage bill Chabs and grabs on loan so no transfer fee.. Lower lg players signed will be on a fraction of the wages of the players we released/sold.. Like i said.. We spent fook all in the summer.. We spent 11m on mbenza. I know it’s hard to believe but hey ho As far as DH taking his money back. Is this true? Lots of people saying it but I’ve not seen anything factual. While I wouldn’t begrudge him doing so I think it would be harsh taking everything out that he’s put in DH taking his money back, back from what. It's a load of bollocks that is being spread by part time supporters and don't appreciate a thing that DH has done for this club. One muppet i know even said " DH was to blame even when he was in hospital" what a turd, i said if your not happy go and watch Emley. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 20, 2019 18:18:43 GMT 1
As a lifelong town fan, if someone said to me that I could sacrifice one tenth of my wealth to see us establish ourselves as a top 30 club for the years to come then I would in a heartbeat. This always makes me laugh. I’ve heard it a few times on here. You wouldn’t if it was £50 million. You may like to think you would but you wouldn’t. If your wealth was £10k and I said give up £1k to preserve Town’s status then fair enough. But you are talking about £50 million. Doesn’t matter who you are or what your are worth, dont kid yourself about the vast sums involved. |
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Post by digs on Sept 20, 2019 18:18:43 GMT 1
I gave a monkey my cedit card once.. The fooker cleaned me out on bananas and peanuts.. Greedy bastad.. 🐒 I'd of bought a rope and tyre swing too |
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Post by sandgrounder on Sept 20, 2019 18:32:25 GMT 1
Dean...errr had a think about it and No I’ll take my £50m please. UTT
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Post by htfc63 on Sept 20, 2019 18:46:19 GMT 1
The guy bankrolled the club when nobody was interested. Dean worked damned hard to the detriment of his own business interests and hence lost potential income in order to sort out the mess he inherited. He bought canalside and has agreed from what we hear to a peppercorn rent and will hold this in trust so nobody can come in and sell it off. He is a legend and fully entitled to his cash back now we are in a position to give it him. Lets face it he has done more for the club than anyone i can remember in my 57 years of watching Town.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 20, 2019 18:52:22 GMT 1
Seems to me the speed at which DH is requesting his loans be repaid (3 years, I believe) is what has hamstrung us. It’s placing all the risk on HTAFC. If repayments could be made over a longer period, say 10 years, then the risk would be more equally shared between HTAFC and DH. He has a right to request his loans be repaid, of course, but he’d previously openly admitted he never expected to get his money back.
I think the OP has some fair points.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 20, 2019 19:06:27 GMT 1
Do you think clubs should never sign players from divisions below theirs? Not 4 of the quality we signed when it’s only them.. mixed in with other decent players ok but we needed a lot more quality. Bockhorn... come off it. He should never have been signed. Karoma won’t make it unless we drop down further... Brown could come good. Elphick is finished. Top aftertiming |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 20, 2019 19:12:54 GMT 1
As a lifelong town fan, if someone said to me that I could sacrifice one tenth of my wealth to see us establish ourselves as a top 30 club for the years to come then I would in a heartbeat. This always makes me laugh. I’ve heard it a few times on here. You wouldn’t if it was £50 million. You may like to think you would but you wouldn’t. If your wealth was £10k and I said give up £1k to preserve Town’s status then fair enough. But you are talking about £50 million. Doesn’t matter who you are or what your are worth, dont kid yourself about the vast sums involved. If I had £100 million I’d give up 90% of it to ensure we became an established prem outfit I could survive on £10 million pounds |
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Sept 20, 2019 19:16:28 GMT 1
The fundamental mistake here is that... Dean didn’t just give his credit card to a couple of monkeys to spend on a football team and then said, “oh by the way, can you pay me back now”. He reached into his back pocket and said, “times are tough and you need a little step up, here’s a few quid to keep you going as I know you’re really going to struggle without it...I don’t necessarily want it back any time soon, but when and if you can afford to repay me, please do” Yes...he CHOSE to give the money, but it wasn’t anonymously thrown into a charity bucket as a gift. The club now can afford to repay him, and therefore should. Even if it screws up the club and gets us relegated again? As long as dean gets his brass back.. Thats the main thing eh? Hoyle getting his money back isnt screwing us. Paying bad recruiters to recruit badly and bad negotiators to negotiate badly is what screws us. Think of the waste, money and time.. now those ultimately mainly come under him too.. so yes I get the blame but I dont put it down to loan repayments.. see the Mbenza, Winter, Marsh threads..those are what I put it down to, totally shite management and decision making at a time of opportunity. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 20, 2019 19:19:45 GMT 1
This always makes me laugh. I’ve heard it a few times on here. You wouldn’t if it was £50 million. You may like to think you would but you wouldn’t. If your wealth was £10k and I said give up £1k to preserve Town’s status then fair enough. But you are talking about £50 million. Doesn’t matter who you are or what your are worth, dont kid yourself about the vast sums involved. If I had £100 million I’d give up 90% of it to ensure we became an established prem outfit I could survive on £10 million pounds TBF That's easy to say harder to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 19:23:52 GMT 1
This always makes me laugh. I’ve heard it a few times on here. You wouldn’t if it was £50 million. You may like to think you would but you wouldn’t. If your wealth was £10k and I said give up £1k to preserve Town’s status then fair enough. But you are talking about £50 million. Doesn’t matter who you are or what your are worth, dont kid yourself about the vast sums involved. If I had £100 million I’d give up 90% of it to ensure we became an established prem outfit I could survive on £10 million pounds Even that amount wouldn't guarantee we become an established Premier League outfit. Whatever you think now no way would you be giving Huddersfield Town £90 million quid. Your family would have you sectioned.  |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Sept 20, 2019 19:28:01 GMT 1
This always makes me laugh. I’ve heard it a few times on here. You wouldn’t if it was £50 million. You may like to think you would but you wouldn’t. If your wealth was £10k and I said give up £1k to preserve Town’s status then fair enough. But you are talking about £50 million. Doesn’t matter who you are or what your are worth, dont kid yourself about the vast sums involved. If I had £100 million I’d give up 90% of it to ensure we became an established prem outfit I could survive on £10 million pounds No you wouldn’t |
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Post by El Mel on Sept 20, 2019 19:38:21 GMT 1
This always makes me laugh. I’ve heard it a few times on here. You wouldn’t if it was £50 million. You may like to think you would but you wouldn’t. If your wealth was £10k and I said give up £1k to preserve Town’s status then fair enough. But you are talking about £50 million. Doesn’t matter who you are or what your are worth, dont kid yourself about the vast sums involved. If I had £100 million I’d give up 90% of it to ensure we became an established prem outfit I could survive on £10 million pounds I'm assuming you have no offspring? If I had £100 million, I'd have £100 million, I may invest some, I'd buy some nice houses, cars, maybe even push the boat out and buy a boat. I'd invest plenty with expert advice hoping that the financial legacy I left would cascade down through the generations. If you divide 100 million quid between 5 generations of 2 kids each having 2 kids each and so on, and not spending any money - then your great - great - great - great grandkids would inherit 3 grand each. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 20, 2019 19:45:04 GMT 1
This always makes me laugh. I’ve heard it a few times on here. You wouldn’t if it was £50 million. You may like to think you would but you wouldn’t. If your wealth was £10k and I said give up £1k to preserve Town’s status then fair enough. But you are talking about £50 million. Doesn’t matter who you are or what your are worth, dont kid yourself about the vast sums involved. If I had £100 million I’d give up 90% of it to ensure we became an established prem outfit I could survive on £10 million pounds I have questioned if he is asking for it too quick, but my god, this is the sort of thread I despise. The OP is well written, but clearly full of holes. Then this! You always get this crap about people who don't have money speculating they would be benevolent if they did. DATM over and out 🙈 |
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Post by El Mel on Sept 20, 2019 19:50:12 GMT 1
If I had £100 million I’d give up 90% of it to ensure we became an established prem outfit I could survive on £10 million pounds I have questioned if he is asking for it too quick, but my god, this is the sort of thread I despise. The OP is well written, but clearly full of holes. Then this! You always get this crap about people who don't have money speculating they would be benevolent if they did. DATM over and out 🙈 Maybe he's asking for it so he can re-invest in a few years time should we (or he) need to do so. We should have enough talent in the team to stabilise in this division, and enough cash in the bank to run the club until we can re-assess our position and determine a longer term strategy. Jaysus, we signed one of the hottest (alledgedly) management teams outside of the prem at the beginning of last week, and they weren't cheap. Now folk are soiling themselves over dean wanting some of his brass back because we need to go out and spunk a few million quid on a right back Crazy times. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:12:10 GMT 1
Seems to me the speed at which DH is requesting his loans be repaid (3 years, I believe) is what has hamstrung us. It’s placing all the risk on HTAFC. If repayments could be made over a longer period, say 10 years, then the risk would be more equally shared between HTAFC and DH. He has a right to request his loans be repaid, of course, but he’d previously openly admitted he never expected to get his money back. I think the OP has some fair points. How do you or I or the OP decide what repayment period hamstrings the club?? We have absolutely no idea on the implication of repaying Dean in entirety tomorrow or spread over the 50 years. For all we know, Phill is pumping in £50m of his own cash into the directors loan account specifically so Dean can be repaid......on top of whatever ongoing commitment (if any) he might need to make in order to fund the club in an ongoing state. But remember FFP limits the amount of cash that a director can loan into a club over a rolling three year period...so even if the club was owned by a multi billionaire, they wouldn’t be able to repay Deans directors loan in a single year without comprising the clubs transfer status in following seasons. It’s utter folly to suggest anything without knowing the full facts. We don’t know enough facts to know if Dean is worthy of retains his idol status or he’s lining up alongside Ken tearing the club to its knees. I suspect the former is closer to how it plays out than the latter. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 20, 2019 21:17:12 GMT 1
...The harsh, depressing and ultimately inevitable consequence of Dean being paid back his full loan, then we are going to sink back into league one and perhaps take a long, long time to come back. ..... We’ve ended up with at least a 50million debt... You are either having a laugh, taking the p, or completely ignorant of the reality of the situation. HTFC is not an association nor cooperative that’s owned by its fans, nor is it a registered charity; it’s a limited company that has shareholders who invest and expect a return sooner or much later...or at least get their money back without ANY interest after 10 years of sticking their money in to the company. In the past 10 years, if Dean had stuck his £50 million into a bank account, never mind investing in FTSE shares, he would have not only have got his 50 mill back, he’d be another 10 mill up on just doing nothing at all. So you and your mates now come along with some expectations, even grievances, than Dean should forfeit his 50 mill?! What planet do you live on? Perhaps he will forfeit the £50m, but how about instead that you and another 4,999 other spoilt, self-entitled, Town fans each invest £10,000 each of your own money? Total £50 million to pay Dean off?? No? Why not? Shut the f up then. Edit: for the record, I do wish we WERE like Real Madrid and Barcelona, being fan-owned, and with the likes of Dean or Phil as Presidents of the association / cooperative, but sadly we are not, and we cannot expect owners and investors to keep on bailing the club out, as passionate Towns fans as they are. Dean and Phil are doing exactly the right thing by trying to make our club financially secure, unlike Bolton, Bury and many others. We have to appreciate it and be grateful. Yes, we have to be grateful that we have fans in charge, so don’t piss them off with your whinging or they may just pack it in and leave us to sink completely like Bury. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 20, 2019 21:28:16 GMT 1
How much money does one man need? Serious question? There must come a point where the amount means nothing, it's just a large amount of money that you have.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 20, 2019 21:39:43 GMT 1
How much money does one man need? Serious question? There must come a point where the amount means nothing, it's just a large amount of money that you have. If you, or I, had a spare £50 million kicking around, would we give it to: - saving kids from starvation and disease? - investing it in kids education to make them better people and improve the world? - donating it to cancer research? - donating it to....charity of your choice? - give the whole effing lot to a couple of dozen blokes pursuing their teenage desires of kicking a ball around 2 acres of grass, once or twice a week, charming and pulling in the birds, constantly on Twatter and Farcebook, and buying top end sports cars while they earn £1+ million each year? Tough choice innit? |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 20, 2019 21:43:16 GMT 1
How much money does one man need? Serious question? There must come a point where the amount means nothing, it's just a large amount of money that you have. If you, or I, had a spare £50 million kicking around, would we give it to: - saving kids from starvation and disease? - investing it in kids education to make them better people and improve the world? - donating it to cancer research? - donating it to....charity of your choice? - give the whole effing lot to a couple of dozen blokes pursuing their teenage desires of kicking a ball around 2 acres of grass, once or twice a week, charming and pulling in the birds, constantly on Twatter and Farcebook, and buying top end sports cars while they earn £1+ million each year? Tough choice innit? The first 4 would be more noble than the latter but he isn't taking it back to donate to charity is he? |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Sept 20, 2019 21:47:24 GMT 1
If you, or I, had a spare £50 million kicking around, would we give it to: - saving kids from starvation and disease? - investing it in kids education to make them better people and improve the world? - donating it to cancer research? - donating it to....charity of your choice? - give the whole effing lot to a couple of dozen blokes pursuing their teenage desires of kicking a ball around 2 acres of grass, once or twice a week, charming and pulling in the birds, constantly on Twatter and Farcebook, and buying top end sports cars while they earn £1+ million each year? Tough choice innit? The first 4 would be more noble than the latter but he isn't taking it back to donate to charity is he? But how on Earth can you know his intentions as to what he’ll do with his own dosh? He might: buy a private jet or he might give it all to Bill Gates’ charities to wipe out malaria or he might invest it all in... ...Leeds instead  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:51:49 GMT 1
Let's see what the club spends in the January transfer window on the Cowleys' and Webb's watch before starting the begging letters to Deano. Obviously we've had a horrendous start to the season, but I'd prefer a bad start with no major signings by an outgoing manager over a poor finish in a relegation battle with desperado mercenaries who don't give a shite and will take the club for what they can.
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Post by hthtafs on Sept 20, 2019 21:53:47 GMT 1
Great post OP - maybe the legacy then of DH era is we’re not a financially sustainable club. He played the benevolent owner, but ultimately wanted his cash back. We will probably have less revenue than any other club in the championship ex parachute payments, so there might be a lack of sustainability there! Other owners have written of millions, maybe DH should consider a similar course of action.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 20, 2019 21:54:40 GMT 1
The first 4 would be more noble than the latter but he isn't taking it back to donate to charity is he? But how on Earth can you know his intentions as to what he’ll do with his own dosh? He might: buy a private jet or he might give it all to Bill Gates’ charities to wipe out malaria or he might invest it all in... ...Leeds instead Buying a private jet would be so self indulgent. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 21:56:32 GMT 1
Great post OP - maybe the legacy then of DH era is we’re not a financially sustainable club. He played the benevolent owner, but ultimately wanted his cash back. We will probably have less revenue than any other club in the championship ex parachute payments, so there might be a lack of sustainability there! Other owners have written of millions, maybe DH should consider a similar course of action. Less revenue than Millwall, Luton, Wigan and Brentford? Behave. |
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