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Post by ACW on Sept 22, 2019 16:17:14 GMT 1
In his Radio Leeds interview Cowley said today was baby steps, and the next few games need to show constant improvement and better fitness. I agree with the OP, I think they can turn this around. I do not expect more than staying up but I am sure they will do that. You're a very optimistic man. I think the clue is in the name!  |
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Post by ponteterrier on Sept 22, 2019 16:17:35 GMT 1
Billic said in his interview, he heard the Cowleys saying that the team had stopped playing.
The players heads had decided that they were playing for 1-2.
I'am hoping the Cowleys can get their heads right and stop this bloody negative mindset
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Post by ACW on Sept 22, 2019 16:25:12 GMT 1
Billic said in his interview, he heard the Cowleys saying that the team had stopped playing. The players heads had decided that they were playing for 1-2. I'am hoping the Cowleys can get their heads right and stop this bloody negative mindset Danny said he thought we stopped playing on 60 mins. I think it was on half-time. I'm glad he's identified this as a problem because we showed we are a far better side when we play on the front foot. Obviously we have to be mindful of our defensive duties, but when we dropped deep and tried to hang on we conceded possession, goals and the game. I am sure the Cowley's have learned alot from this and will work to ensure it doesn't happen too often in the future. Some teams can play a defensive game - they have the players to do it - we certainly don't! |
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Post by southowram on Sept 22, 2019 16:26:59 GMT 1
Yes so negativity recently. I think we’ve turned a corner with this appointment.
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 22, 2019 16:27:59 GMT 1
Interesting listening to Baggies fans on the train on my way back home. They were very impressed with Town in the first half and seemed to think that the Cowley’s influence was already bearing fruit. However, they did question the fitness of some of our team, saying we seemed to ‘run out of gas’ after 55-60 minutes.
For my part, I was quite impressed with the following Town players:
O’Brien - tenacious and scored classy goal
Kachunga - yes, he won loads of free kicks, kept the ball well and set up our second goal
Jaden Brown - composed, thoughtful, passed and crossed well. Didn’t get beaten by his winger. Should be a shoo-in for a starting spot
I was less impressed by:
Kongolo - badly at fault for first goal
Hogg - something isn’t right there this season but not sure what
Chalobah - seemed much less effective than last week
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Post by waggers on Sept 22, 2019 16:29:24 GMT 1
I saw enough today, in the first half, to think they can save us. Players were organised, worked bloody hard and we looked so so much better than for 18 months. Second half - back to the Town of the last 18 months, but I believe the Cowleys will sort that out - they're not miracle workers. Improve the fitness - remotivate Hogg, drop Flo Kachunga and Elphick and that could take us through to the January window. A 4-2 defeat sounds bad, and was bad in the second half, but I saw enough to believe in the Cowleys. They will be our best signings in 2 years. I agree. Give them time they will built in their style of play. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 22, 2019 16:41:45 GMT 1
If the Cowleys save us from relegation, these two can get the bronze statue before Hoyle or Wagner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 16:55:28 GMT 1
In his Radio Leeds interview Cowley said today was baby steps, and the next few games need to show constant improvement and better fitness. I agree with the OP, I think they can turn this around. I do not expect more than staying up but I am sure they will do that. You're a very optimistic man. Given the Cowleys are less than two weeks in I don't see any point in being negative. We all know there is a lot wrong but I really don't think we could get better than the Cowleys to sort the problems out so I am going to keep my glass half full  |
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Post by ponteterrier on Sept 22, 2019 17:02:12 GMT 1
If the Cowleys save us from relegation, these two can get the bronze statue before Hoyle or Wagner. I think they'll be comfortably stopping us from getting relegated but there's a clear re buld needed and fans favourites like schindler etc will need to go or spent a good amount of time away from the starting 11 as they're mentally shot or need a fresh start. |
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Post by impact on Sept 22, 2019 17:03:35 GMT 1
If the Cowleys save us from relegation, these two can get the bronze statue before Hoyle or Wagner. I think they'll be comfortably stopping us from getting relegated but there's a clear re buld needed and fans favourites like schindler etc will need to go or spent a good amount of time away from the starting 11 as they're mentally shot or need a fresh start. It won't be comfortable. Not after this start. We're 6 points adrift already. |
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Post by wigster on Sept 22, 2019 17:05:48 GMT 1
Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. Hogg was massively off it today On the third he had two chances to put a tackle in - he just shadowed the guy - it was pathetic from a supposed midfield enforcer Chalobah been twice the player of Hogg so far this season ... and also never gives up unlike Hogg whose sulked through the closing stages of many a game recently. He needs a spell in dev team when Pritchard is back - O’Brien and chalobah the better holding options right now Must admit I think your spot on HuddsT with your "sulk" comment about Hogg. I've no idea what's wrong but he's not the "character" he has been for so long for us. Schindler seems to be the same. I think the work for the Cowleys is going to be very varied - fitness for quite a few, confidence for quite a few, and getting rid, unfortunately for quite a few. We know some younger ones have let us down eg the speed twins but when you combine that with the disappointing performances of some older heads you can see why we struggle. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 22, 2019 17:07:44 GMT 1
Truthfully the lamentable efforts of some players (especially previously our top performers) has surprised me
I’ve also been shocked by some going backwards like bacuna and mbenza
I thought we’d be decent this year - top ten hopes - but we’ve yet to be competitive and conceded 2 or more in every league game except qpr
Even if we drop the cowleys have my support to rebuild us - they’re not the problem here
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 22, 2019 17:15:27 GMT 1
Like the post match comments
I’m just hope they are brave enough to drop the wasters
Very disappointed with Kongolo today. Looks to be sulking to me
And did either mounie or Diakhaby touch the chuffing ball after coming on??
Massive difference once Campbell went off. He has worked hard but was replaced with an oxygen thief.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 17:28:30 GMT 1
Hogg was massively off it today On the third he had two chances to put a tackle in - he just shadowed the guy - it was pathetic from a supposed midfield enforcer Chalobah been twice the player of Hogg so far this season ... and also never gives up unlike Hogg whose sulked through the closing stages of many a game recently. He needs a spell in dev team when Pritchard is back - O’Brien and chalobah the better holding options right now Must admit I think your spot on HuddsT with your "sulk" comment about Hogg. I've no idea what's wrong but he's not the "character" he has been for so long for us. Schindler seems to be the same. I think the work for the Cowleys is going to be very varied - fitness for quite a few, confidence for quite a few, and getting rid, unfortunately for quite a few. We know some younger ones have let us down eg the speed twins but when you combine that with the disappointing performances of some older heads you can see why we struggle. I think that is spot on and they have said as much. Hogg and Schindler have not become bad players, they are just not playing as well as we know they can. Whatever is wrong with individuals needs to be identified and put right and that is a big part of the Cowleys job. They also need to sort out fitness and team tactics. They have a lot to work on. Danny said that there is an assumption that once a player makes the first team they are the finished article but players should learn all the time and I hope that attitude is taken on board and we see players improve all over the pitch. It is a big job but I cannot remember a manager giving me this much hope for a long time, and that included DW. Happy Clapper over and out |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 17:29:28 GMT 1
I think the Cowleys will steady the ship. I agree with the op- I saw enough of what good leadership and direction can have on a group of players to believe we’ll be ok. Big game at home to Millwall. We need a win and we’ll be off and running. There are some players that need replacing but Ithink we’ve enough to consolidate this season- particularly after January window. We can finish strongly. The confidence of a win can work wonders. The players need it. Just a scrappy 1-0 will do.
I personally think if we can get prichard and grant firing we could be a force again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 17:34:26 GMT 1
Hogg was massively off it today On the third he had two chances to put a tackle in - he just shadowed the guy - it was pathetic from a supposed midfield enforcer Chalobah been twice the player of Hogg so far this season ... and also never gives up unlike Hogg whose sulked through the closing stages of many a game recently. He needs a spell in dev team when Pritchard is back - O’Brien and chalobah the better holding options right now Must admit I think your spot on HuddsT with your "sulk" comment about Hogg. I've no idea what's wrong but he's not the "character" he has been for so long for us. Schindler seems to be the same. I think the work for the Cowleys is going to be very varied - fitness for quite a few, confidence for quite a few, and getting rid, unfortunately for quite a few. We know some younger ones have let us down eg the speed twins but when you combine that with the disappointing performances of some older heads you can see why we struggle. How long since those two won a game? any game of football? That’s still the whole point of playing. Let’s see if can’t squeak a win and just get the monkey off the back, close the gap. Reset and go forward positively. There was a moment today when we could’ve gone on and win that game 3 or even 4 1 ourselves. The Cowleys are winners. These players can be winners again. This league isn’t as tough once you get going. The quality is nothing like last year in defence or attack for the vast majority or teams. |
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Post by woodyhudds on Sept 22, 2019 18:34:30 GMT 1
Agreed with the original post. Too easy to look at the result and react extremely too it. I'm sick of losing and it's in these times the team will need us more than ever.
Saw enough in the first 60 to be impressed by what they have accomplished. Basic fitness and mentality aren't going to change in two weeks. Hudson highlighted our fitness issues as soon as Jan was out of the door.
I really like them as a pair and what they stand for. It's not their squad and they are working with some mentally battered men and some which put their tools down long ago. We need a win and quick just to lift the mood in the club as the Cowley's can't do it on their own. We need to pull them over the line against Millwall!!
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Post by htfcsince70 on Sept 22, 2019 18:43:27 GMT 1
I must admit that I have great faith in the Cowley's ability to get us out of the mess that we are in - what a shame that the powers that be hadn't been tracking them for three years instead of Siewart! Thank goodness that they insisted that they have a say in the recruitment before being appointed - I believe that they know what is needed for this squad - then again most of us did before the start of the season - a shame that our recruitment team didn't have the same vision or understanding!
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Sept 22, 2019 20:37:52 GMT 1
Injured, but apart from run around a lot he's done bugger all since he signed. It will be interesting to see if the Cowleys can get the best out of him. He’s just what we need and I think the brothers will really get him firing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 21:48:35 GMT 1
I must admit that I have great faith in the Cowley's ability to get us out of the mess that we are in - what a shame that the powers that be hadn't been tracking them for three years instead of Siewart! Thank goodness that they insisted that they have a say in the recruitment before being appointed - I believe that they know what is needed for this squad - then again most of us did before the start of the season - a shame that our recruitment team didn't have the same vision or understanding! DW leaving when he did dropped us in it a bit. I don't think we would not have got the Cowleys at that time with them pushing Lincoln toward a second promotion, so as hard as it has been, perhaps, when we look back the timing will be a good thing rather than a negative. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 22, 2019 22:01:32 GMT 1
I must admit that I have great faith in the Cowley's ability to get us out of the mess that we are in - what a shame that the powers that be hadn't been tracking them for three years instead of Siewart! Thank goodness that they insisted that they have a say in the recruitment before being appointed - I believe that they know what is needed for this squad - then again most of us did before the start of the season - a shame that our recruitment team didn't have the same vision or understanding! DW leaving when he did dropped us in it a bit. I don't think we would not have got the Cowleys at that time with them pushing Lincoln toward a second promotion, so as hard as it has been, perhaps, when we look back the timing will be a good thing rather than a negative. We had half a year to plan for this season We could easily have got someone in until the end of the season like West Ham did with moyes, stoke with lambert, Swansea with carvalaho etc If such an appointment had clicked great you’d give them an extended contract If they’d flopped then you get the cowleys or whoever in May with a full preseason The timing of DW departure had no real baring - remember he offered to stay until the end of the season but town rushed to bring in siewert |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 22:27:11 GMT 1
DW leaving when he did dropped us in it a bit. I don't think we would not have got the Cowleys at that time with them pushing Lincoln toward a second promotion, so as hard as it has been, perhaps, when we look back the timing will be a good thing rather than a negative. We had half a year to plan for this season We could easily have got someone in until the end of the season like West Ham did with moyes, stoke with lambert, Swansea with carvalaho etc If such an appointment had clicked great you’d give them an extended contract If they’d flopped then you get the cowleys or whoever in May with a full preseason The timing of DW departure had no real baring - remember he offered to stay until the end of the season but town rushed to bring in siewert Did he? I didn't read it that way. I thought he decided he wanted to go and it was mutually agreed he could. I don't disagree about the managerial appointment being poor though, and I'm sure the board know that as well. I am not sure how you get someone in for a short period when you are pretty much relegated though. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 22:29:26 GMT 1
DW leaving when he did dropped us in it a bit. I don't think we would not have got the Cowleys at that time with them pushing Lincoln toward a second promotion, so as hard as it has been, perhaps, when we look back the timing will be a good thing rather than a negative. We had half a year to plan for this season We could easily have got someone in until the end of the season like West Ham did with moyes, stoke with lambert, Swansea with carvalaho etc If such an appointment had clicked great you’d give them an extended contract If they’d flopped then you get the cowleys or whoever in May with a full preseason The timing of DW departure had no real baring - remember he offered to stay until the end of the season but town rushed to bring in siewert Meantime the Cowleys have potentially gone to the Wendies. Sometimes fate means things can work out for the best in the long term. |
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Post by tonytiler on Sept 22, 2019 22:30:12 GMT 1
Lots of good feedback and interesting views on this page.Would agree with a lot of them,to be honest i was seriously pissed off today throwing away a deserved half time lead.Fitness looks a problem but i give the new management team some time to sort this out,but dont take long otherwise we are stuffed the other issue that they must 100% deal with is this,drop players who are unable or unwilling to help get us out of this rut!! Some more established players may fall into this category but so be it we need to move on and give others a crack because certain players have lost the plot.
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Post by PellonTerrier on Sept 23, 2019 7:20:56 GMT 1
I could see the game plan today but if that's how we are going to play away I'd go with a more narrow 442
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Flo Schind Kong Brown
Bacuna Hogg Chalobah O Brien
Campbell Grant
If we break one full back goes so bacuna or o Brien can cover and the other wide mid gets into the box to support
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Post by PellonTerrier on Sept 23, 2019 7:26:03 GMT 1
I don't think Hogg and schindler need dropping permanently but maybe a break would be a good idea? once the gloom has lifted they maybe more effective in a team with a little more confidence.
I think they are 2 players who really take things personally and feel responsibility for our current form and what people see as sulking is just confidence and spirit crushed. Give others the responsibility for now take the weight off these 2 for a while
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 8:57:37 GMT 1
I don't think Hogg and schindler need dropping permanently but maybe a break would be a good idea? once the gloom has lifted they maybe more effective in a team with a little more confidence. I think they are 2 players who really take things personally and feel responsibility for our current form and what people see as sulking is just confidence and spirit crushed. Give others the responsibility for now take the weight off these 2 for a while you make a good point hogg and shindler will be feeling it more than most and taken out could help long term . |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Sept 23, 2019 9:15:03 GMT 1
I think they'll be comfortably stopping us from getting relegated but there's a clear re buld needed and fans favourites like schindler etc will need to go or spent a good amount of time away from the starting 11 as they're mentally shot or need a fresh start. It won't be comfortable. Not after this start. We're 6 points adrift already. If we were 6 points adrift with 7 games left in the season I'd agree with you. No denying we've some hard yards ahead, but we've the ability to close that gap in the next 6-8 games. First objective, get back into the mix, then go from there. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 23, 2019 9:20:52 GMT 1
Hogg might be off form but can;'t believe he still gets called out for shouting at people, even if its just in frustration at himself.
Hes a player that actually cares and this will be hurting him badly.
Yet some think thats a negative, like wed be better with 11 who don;t get frustrated or angry.
Schindlers supposed to be the onfield leader yet gives off an impression of meek acceptance, no matter how bad it gets. Something most of the others seem happy to copy.
Id rather have my onfield leader looking genuinely pissed off, frustrated and angry all day long.
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Post by andyboothscat on Sept 23, 2019 10:09:38 GMT 1
Apologies if this has been covered already but its simply too depressing to go through everything on this board but a really interesting quote here from DC.
"Let me tell you now, the moment we're in, and the moment this football club has been in, if we can find a way through this it will be the great achievement of all of our lives and that to me is something that is really exciting."
The greatest achievement of their lives for the likes of Schindler & Hogg who got promoted to the Premier league and then stayed there??
If this is actually true then it just goes to underline what a truly woeful team we have at the moment. Whats more - i'm not convinced that hes actually wrong.
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