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Post by wigster on Sept 22, 2019 14:14:22 GMT 1
I saw enough today, in the first half, to think they can save us. Players were organised, worked bloody hard and we looked so so much better than for 18 months.
Second half - back to the Town of the last 18 months, but I believe the Cowleys will sort that out - they're not miracle workers.
Improve the fitness - remotivate Hogg, drop Flo Kachunga and Elphick and that could take us through to the January window.
A 4-2 defeat sounds bad, and was bad in the second half, but I saw enough to believe in the Cowleys. They will be our best signings in 2 years.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 22, 2019 14:19:54 GMT 1
I saw enough today, in the first half, to think they can save us. Players were organised, worked bloody hard and we looked so so much batter than for 18 months. Second half - back to the Town of the last 18 months, but I believe the Cowleys will sort that out - they're not miracle workers. Improve the fitness - remotivate Hogg, drop Flo Kachunga and Elphick and that could take us through to the January window. A 4-2 defeat sounds bad, and was bad in the second half, but I saw enough to believe in the Cowleys. They will be our best signings in 2 years. Hogg doesn't need remotivating....hes a big part of the problem. Sloppy and slow in possession and too often bawling at others. Same with schindler - need leaving out.....surgery needed not an elastoplast. As for flo and kacha - unless we get better players in then we are stuck unless we throw kids in. |
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Post by Moooooy on Sept 22, 2019 14:21:57 GMT 1
I saw enough today, in the first half, to think they can save us. Players were organised, worked bloody hard and we looked so so much batter than for 18 months. Second half - back to the Town of the last 18 months, but I believe the Cowleys will sort that out - they're not miracle workers. Improve the fitness - remotivate Hogg, drop Flo Kachunga and Elphick and that could take us through to the January window. A 4-2 defeat sounds bad, and was bad in the second half, but I saw enough to believe in the Cowleys. They will be our best signings in 2 years. These players aren’t good enough to keep us up, no matter who is the manager. They’re all fucking shite and need binning off. We will go down, I have no doubt about that. |
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Post by impact on Sept 22, 2019 14:27:00 GMT 1
I saw enough today, in the first half, to think they can save us. Players were organised, worked bloody hard and we looked so so much batter than for 18 months. Second half - back to the Town of the last 18 months, but I believe the Cowleys will sort that out - they're not miracle workers. Improve the fitness - remotivate Hogg, drop Flo Kachunga and Elphick and that could take us through to the January window. A 4-2 defeat sounds bad, and was bad in the second half, but I saw enough to believe in the Cowleys. They will be our best signings in 2 years. Hogg doesn't need remotivating....hes a big part of the problem. Sloppy and slow in possession and too often bawling at others. Same with schindler - need leaving out.....surgery needed not an elastoplast. As for flo and kacha - unless we get better players in then we are stuck unless we throw kids in. Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. |
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Post by k1man999 on Sept 22, 2019 14:29:38 GMT 1
Hogg doesn't need remotivating....hes a big part of the problem. Sloppy and slow in possession and too often bawling at others. Same with schindler - need leaving out.....surgery needed not an elastoplast. As for flo and kacha - unless we get better players in then we are stuck unless we throw kids in. Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. We signed brown as a creative type midfielder but gets no where near. |
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Post by galphamer74 on Sept 22, 2019 14:38:32 GMT 1
They’re clearly a talented management team. It might be too late though. With a full pre season and the opportunity to shape their own squad I think we’d have been competitive in this league. Our chairman’s lack of activity in highlighting the need for a new coach and playing staff in the summer has put our Championship status in real danger.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 22, 2019 14:39:43 GMT 1
Hogg doesn't need remotivating....hes a big part of the problem. Sloppy and slow in possession and too often bawling at others. Same with schindler - need leaving out.....surgery needed not an elastoplast. As for flo and kacha - unless we get better players in then we are stuck unless we throw kids in. Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. We will have to learn to play without him....hogg isnt playing as a 6, 4, 8 .....hes not doing any right now. Last week he was poor playing as a 3rd centre back. This week further forward he was anonymous imho. Watch his involvement on their 3rd goal as an example....and the 4th when he and the equally poor chalobah were more interested in blocking a player leaving another behind em with a free header. Desperately poor....again. |
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Post by impact on Sept 22, 2019 14:40:19 GMT 1
Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. We signed brown as a creative type midfielder but gets no where near. According to Phil, he was signed as the backup player to then become the starter next year. Which, given he was from league 2, sounds right. So we didn't sign a starter to replace either. |
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Post by impact on Sept 22, 2019 14:40:47 GMT 1
Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. We will have to learn to play without him....hogg isnt playing as a 6, 4, 8 .....hes not doing any right now. Last week he was poor playing as a 3rd centre back. This week further forward he was anonymous imho. Watch his involvement on their 3rd goal as an example....and the 4th when he and the equally poor chalobah were more interested in blocking a player leaving another behind em with a free header. Desperately poor....again. The 4th was 100% Chalobah losing his man yet again. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 22, 2019 14:42:24 GMT 1
They’re clearly a talented management team. It might be too late though. With a full pre season and the opportunity to shape their own squad I think we’d have been competitive in this league. Our chairman’s lack of activity in highlighting the need for a new coach and playing staff in the summer has put our Championship status in real danger. Or arguably the prolonged inaction of the previous board incl dean left phil trying to piece it together at a difficult time. The recruitment has cost us for 2 seasons now sadly. |
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Sept 22, 2019 14:43:28 GMT 1
After today surely the Cowleys will have seen enough to put LOB in the hole vs millwall
Grab
Flo(simpson if signed) Schind Kong Brown
Trev Hogg(would prefer someone else but who?) Bacuna
LOB
FC Grant
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 22, 2019 14:54:39 GMT 1
I saw enough today, in the first half, to think they can save us. Players were organised, worked bloody hard and we looked so so much batter than for 18 months. Second half - back to the Town of the last 18 months, but I believe the Cowleys will sort that out - they're not miracle workers. Improve the fitness - remotivate Hogg, drop Flo Kachunga and Elphick and that could take us through to the January window. A 4-2 defeat sounds bad, and was bad in the second half, but I saw enough to believe in the Cowleys. They will be our best signings in 2 years. I like Cowley's interviews because you get the feeling that he knows why its going wrong and that he'll have a plan to fix it, whereas you never got that feeling with Siewert. He doesn't go overboard with his criticisms of players but is clearly unhappy with the workrate of some of them. Its going to take time to sort this mess out but fortunately he has it. |
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Post by mids on Sept 22, 2019 14:58:57 GMT 1
Chalobah plays centre back for his country. Might be an idea to play him there?
Flo can bollox. Hopefully Simpson gets signed up soon.
Grant is wasted on the left.
O'Brien is impressing more as he settles in.
Campbell will be a bonus when more match fit.
Confidence needs to improve very soon somehow.
The Cowleys can get us back on track and especially when we aren't playing forward thinking teams with clever players.
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Post by Mav on Sept 22, 2019 15:03:47 GMT 1
Like someone said.... loads better first half.
Second game in for the new management team, plenty of time.
Three year plan, we’ll stay up and then push on.
Relax. It’ll be fine.... bit of short term pain for future gain.
UTT
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 22, 2019 15:06:39 GMT 1
Chalobah plays centre back for his country. Might be an idea to play him there?Flo can bollox. Hopefully Simpson gets signed up soon. Grant is wasted on the left. O'Brien is impressing more as he settles in. Campbell will be a bonus when more match fit. Confidence needs to improve very soon somehow. The Cowleys can get us back on track and especially when we aren't playing forward thinking teams with clever players. I'd give him a go there. At least we'd have a central defender who's comfortable on the ball and isn't easily outmuscled. He was guilty of leaving his man unmarked for the fourth goal today but give him the responsibility to organize the back four, then it might be worth a go. There's certainly no leadership in there at the moment. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 22, 2019 15:09:02 GMT 1
Hogg has to go. Absolutely liability in that position. Last 5 mins he played a stupid ball back to Schindler who was in our area and ended up having to spoon it out. Hogg stood there waving his arms about and rollicking CS.
Considering Chalobah is a centre back for England I really dont see why he and Bacuna couldn't operate as a flat 2 with O'Brien in front. Perhaps we as fans are looking for someone to directly replace Hogg as a screener when really the dynamic of the central midfield needs changing all together.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 22, 2019 15:09:22 GMT 1
Hogg doesn't need remotivating....hes a big part of the problem. Sloppy and slow in possession and too often bawling at others. Same with schindler - need leaving out.....surgery needed not an elastoplast. As for flo and kacha - unless we get better players in then we are stuck unless we throw kids in. Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. Impact’s post is spot on. Some people just don’t understand Hogg’s role in the team. Main issue since Mooy and Billing left is that we have absolutely zero midfield creativity. |
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Post by stanton1969 on Sept 22, 2019 15:14:45 GMT 1
Hogg has to go. Absolutely liability in that position. Last 5 mins he played a stupid ball back to Schindler who was in our area and ended up having to spoon it out. Hogg stood there waving his arms about and rollicking CS. Considering Chalobah is a centre back for England I really dont see why he and Bacuna couldn't operate as a flat 2 with O'Brien in front. Perhaps we as fans are looking for someone to directly replace Hogg as a screener when really the dynamic of the central midfield needs changing all together. I've said it before....Hogg's position is redundant. Players of that ilk do more thesedays. They are least do SOMETHING offiensive. Hogg does nothing offensive and indeed does the opposite IMO. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 22, 2019 15:16:28 GMT 1
Hogg doesn't need remotivating....hes a big part of the problem. Sloppy and slow in possession and too often bawling at others. Same with schindler - need leaving out.....surgery needed not an elastoplast. As for flo and kacha - unless we get better players in then we are stuck unless we throw kids in. Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. Hogg was massively off it today On the third he had two chances to put a tackle in - he just shadowed the guy - it was pathetic from a supposed midfield enforcer Chalobah been twice the player of Hogg so far this season ... and also never gives up unlike Hogg whose sulked through the closing stages of many a game recently. He needs a spell in dev team when Pritchard is back - O’Brien and chalobah the better holding options right now |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 22, 2019 15:17:19 GMT 1
I saw enough today, in the first half, to think they can save us. Players were organised, worked bloody hard and we looked so so much better than for 18 months. Second half - back to the Town of the last 18 months, but I believe the Cowleys will sort that out - they're not miracle workers. Improve the fitness - remotivate Hogg, drop Flo Kachunga and Elphick and that could take us through to the January window. A 4-2 defeat sounds bad, and was bad in the second half, but I saw enough to believe in the Cowleys. They will be our best signings in 2 years. I’m starting to feel sorry for the Cowleys. I have to say, I am so impressed with how hard they work on the sidelines all through the game, plus involvement in the warm up’s as well. It’s a bigger job they have taken on than I am sure ,even they realised. |
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Post by shawsie on Sept 22, 2019 15:17:50 GMT 1
Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. Impact’s post is spot on. Some people just don’t understand Hogg’s role in the team. Main issue since Mooy and Billing left is that we have absolutely zero midfield creativity. Sorry i disagree. Hogg and schindler are two almost ever presents in 1 win in 40! We've tried other options to no avail....try leaving these 2 out and see how we go. It cant be any worse. |
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Sept 22, 2019 15:19:50 GMT 1
Pritchard needed ASAP.
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Post by ACW on Sept 22, 2019 15:21:00 GMT 1
I saw enough today, in the first half, to think they can save us. Players were organised, worked bloody hard and we looked so so much better than for 18 months. Second half - back to the Town of the last 18 months, but I believe the Cowleys will sort that out - they're not miracle workers. Improve the fitness - remotivate Hogg, drop Flo Kachunga and Elphick and that could take us through to the January window. A 4-2 defeat sounds bad, and was bad in the second half, but I saw enough to believe in the Cowleys. They will be our best signings in 2 years. The first half was encouraging and will hopefully show the Cowleys that when we play on the front foot, we can be a more effective team. I think, given time, they will make us far harder to beat, and that will give us a more solid base to work from. It's obviously early days for the Cowleys, and they will need alot of time to turn this ship around. They have an unbalanced squad, some under-performing players, and others that are simply not good enough. But they do have some quality to work with. Hopefully, they can somehow keep us up this season to give them the opportunity to start afresh next season. But make no mistake, they have taken on a massive job - far bigger than any they have had before. Their previous records gives us all hope but they've got some serious work infront of them. I wish them all the best. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 22, 2019 15:22:04 GMT 1
Injured, but apart from run around a lot he's done bugger all since he signed. It will be interesting to see if the Cowleys can get the best out of him. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 22, 2019 15:22:05 GMT 1
Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. Impact’s post is spot on. Some people just don’t understand Hogg’s role in the team. Main issue since Mooy and Billing left is that we have absolutely zero midfield creativity. The problem is Hogg doesn't play simple balls, it's always played behind the man. He kills the tempo when he should be setting it. Worst of all is that thing he does where he lets the ball roll across him and turns straight into trouble. Accident waiting to happen since the beginning of last season. |
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Post by impact on Sept 22, 2019 15:27:33 GMT 1
Hogg is playing as a 6. Alongside good midfielders he doesn't need to do more than play simple balls. The problem is Chalobah is a bit of a nothing player. He doesn't create, and he doesn't defend, and therefore Hoog needs to do more than he's comfortable with with the ball. Drop Hogg and we will get cut open through the middle. I don't care how late Mooy leaving was in the window. Not replacing either him or Billing with a creative midfielder is truly abysmal. Hogg was massively off it today On the third he had two chances to put a tackle in - he just shadowed the guy - it was pathetic from a supposed midfield enforcer Chalobah been twice the player of Hogg so far this season ... and also never gives up unlike Hogg whose sulked through the closing stages of many a game recently. He needs a spell in dev team when Pritchard is back - O’Brien and chalobah the better holding options right now Chalobah once again lost his man leading to a goal for the 4th. I make that the 4th time he's done it this season. He isn't good defensively and he doesn't bring much creativity, so what does he do? |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 22, 2019 15:37:00 GMT 1
Hogg was massively off it today On the third he had two chances to put a tackle in - he just shadowed the guy - it was pathetic from a supposed midfield enforcer Chalobah been twice the player of Hogg so far this season ... and also never gives up unlike Hogg whose sulked through the closing stages of many a game recently. He needs a spell in dev team when Pritchard is back - O’Brien and chalobah the better holding options right now Chalobah once again lost his man leading to a goal for the 4th. I make that the 4th time he's done it this season. He isn't good defensively and he doesn't bring much creativity, so what does he do? Don't worry - he'll be gone by New Year when Chelski recall him and place him with a team higher up. |
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Post by iangreaves on Sept 22, 2019 15:39:18 GMT 1
Going by Cowley's post-match comments, he's decided after two games which ones aren't putting enough effort in. Changes for next game?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2019 16:13:04 GMT 1
In his Radio Leeds interview Cowley said today was baby steps, and the next few games need to show constant improvement and better fitness. I agree with the OP, I think they can turn this around. I do not expect more than staying up but I am sure they will do that.
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Post by shawsie on Sept 22, 2019 16:14:32 GMT 1
In his Radio Leeds interview Cowley said today was baby steps, and the next few games need to show constant improvement and better fitness. I agree with the OP, I think they can turn this around. I do not expect more than staying up but I am sure they will do that. You're a very optimistic man. |
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