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Post by runner76 on Sept 23, 2019 12:08:45 GMT 1
At what point are you REALLY in a relegation battle?? With 38 games left and 114 points to play for, are we really in that battle yet?......
Is there a point where that 'battle' begins? certain amount of points / games etc etc??
We are doing crap, yes, and we are in the 'relegation' spots today but if we climb out and are OK, could you say we were ever in that relegation battle?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 23, 2019 12:14:52 GMT 1
Yes yes we are
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Post by malcolmbrown on Sept 23, 2019 12:16:54 GMT 1
At what point are you REALLY in a relegation battle?? With 38 games left and 114 points to play for, are we really in that battle yet?...... Is there appoint where that 'battle' begins? certain amount of points / games etc etc?? We are doing crap, yes, and we are in the 'relegation' spots today but if we climb out and are OK, could you say we were ever in that relegation battle? Post of the year. End of. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 23, 2019 12:19:28 GMT 1
Depends on how you want to look at it.
If you're a positive person then you're correct in thinking we have 114 points to play for and if you're a very positive person there's easily enough points to finish in the top half and beyond.
However what most people see is a depleted team who have zero confidence in winning and gaining points, are we expecting this to turn around with the playing squad we have?
Time will tell, we aren't the Titanic yet but if things don't start picking up quickly it could turn into a complete dog fight come Christmas if we haven't improved.
Would you trust half of this team to play ugly and win and grind out games with passion and fight? - I wouldn't.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 23, 2019 12:27:24 GMT 1
We need 49 points from 38 games to get to usual 50 point line for safety
That's midtable form from here on in
We've been beaten by early season strugglers like Derby, Reading (both at home) and Luton
We're bottom and it's nearly October
We obviously can stay up but it's clear to me that we're very much in a relegation battle
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Post by H7 on Sept 23, 2019 12:28:40 GMT 1
We are 2 wins off even being level with the team 4th bottom (with a worse goal difference). We haven't won a single game since February. Of course we are in a relegation battle.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 23, 2019 12:29:09 GMT 1
We need 49 points from 38 games to get to usual 50 point line for safety That's midtable form from here on in We've been beaten by early season strugglers like Derby, Reading and Luton We obviously can stay up but it's clear to me that we're very much in a relegation battle we are and probably will be right up until then end of this season. Optimists could claim we could still go up as champions if we win all our remaining games. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 23, 2019 12:32:27 GMT 1
Depends on how you want to look at it. If you're a positive person then you're correct in thinking we have 114 points to play for and if you're a very positive person there's easily enough points to finish in the top half and beyond. However what most people see is a depleted team who have zero confidence in winning and gaining points, are we expecting this to turn around with the playing squad we have? Time will tell, we aren't the Titanic yet but if things don't start picking up quickly it could turn into a complete dog fight come Christmas if we haven't improved. Would you trust half of this team to play ugly and win and grind out games with passion and fight? - I wouldn't. I think a Cowley team can play with passion and fight, so need to give them that time to grind out what they can with these lads and see what they do in free transfers and January. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not expecting any miracles (like a Top 10 finish!!) but I can’t say we will stay rooted at the bottom until I can properly judge what the Cowleys can achieve! |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 23, 2019 12:33:50 GMT 1
Depends on how you want to look at it. If you're a positive person then you're correct in thinking we have 114 points to play for and if you're a very positive person there's easily enough points to finish in the top half and beyond. However what most people see is a depleted team who have zero confidence in winning and gaining points, are we expecting this to turn around with the playing squad we have? Time will tell, we aren't the Titanic yet but if things don't start picking up quickly it could turn into a complete dog fight come Christmas if we haven't improved. Would you trust half of this team to play ugly and win and grind out games with passion and fight? - I wouldn't. I think a Cowley team can play with passion and fight, so need to give them that time to grind out what they can with these lads and see what they do in free transfers and January. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not expecting any miracles (like a Top 10 finish!!) but I can’t say we will stay rooted at the bottom until I can properly judge what the Cowleys can achieve! I have complete faith in the Cowleys. It's the incompetent losers who've been here for the past two years stealing a wage that concern me. |
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Post by ACW on Sept 23, 2019 12:38:39 GMT 1
Listening to Danny Cowley, he thinks we're in a relegation fight. Already talking about turning this around being a "great achievement".
If we manage to pull ourselves away, and climb the table, we may be able to look back on this period as a just really tough start to the season. At the moment, considering the results/performances/players available I think it would be dangerous to consider our current predicament anything but a relegation battle.
Things may improve - and we all hope they do - but at the moment we are struggling, and it will take a monumental effort to turn things around. We have plenty of points to play for, and I sincerely hope we pick up enough to move out of trouble, but as it stands we are in serious relegation trouble - irrespective of how many points are still available.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Sept 23, 2019 12:46:08 GMT 1
They say 10 games and the table starts to take shape. Given that we’re 99.99% likely to be in the relegation zone after 10 games you have to consider this a battle
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Post by terrierneil on Sept 23, 2019 12:49:50 GMT 1
We are definitely down, face it. To those who don't agree, name me a team we can beat?
A loss to Millwall this Saturday will seal it.
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 23, 2019 12:50:35 GMT 1
If we won 4 in a row, we’d probably be between 20th and 22nd after 12 games (quarter of season). Given that, and the fact that we haven’t won 4 times in the last 50 league games, I’d say we are in an almighty relegation scrap, one which, even with excellent form over the next 20 games, we will be in for most/all of the season.
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 23, 2019 12:50:52 GMT 1
We're in big trouble, make no mistake. Looking at the fixtures, I'd say if we haven't picked up many more points by the end of October then we're doomed. On paper, a few easier games ... however, we know how that worked out last season when we lost all the games earmarked as winnable before Christmas. I half-jokingly said last season on here that I couldn't see us ever winning again ... and I'm still struggling to see how it's possible with the lack of goals in the team generally and we look like conceding at least two a game (only the one game at QPR where we've kept it to one).
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 23, 2019 12:53:49 GMT 1
Relegation battle? 100% we’re in a relegation battle. The table shows we’re currently the worst team in the Championship.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Sept 23, 2019 13:01:20 GMT 1
Let me put it this way.... how many Town fans would be happy to finish in 21st place this season?
I would suggest that the correct answer is ALL OF US.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 23, 2019 13:02:28 GMT 1
6 points adrift already !
No we are hunky dory
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Post by space hardware on Sept 23, 2019 13:02:45 GMT 1
Depends on how you want to look at it. If you're a positive person then you're correct in thinking we have 114 points to play for and if you're a very positive person there's easily enough points to finish in the top half and beyond. However what most people see is a depleted team who have zero confidence in winning and gaining points, are we expecting this to turn around with the playing squad we have? Time will tell, we aren't the Titanic yet but if things don't start picking up quickly it could turn into a complete dog fight come Christmas if we haven't improved. Would you trust half of this team to play ugly and win and grind out games with passion and fight? - I wouldn't. , so need to give them that time to grind out what they can with these lads and see what they do in free transfers and January. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not expecting any miracles (like a Top 10 finish!!) but I can’t say we will stay rooted at the bottom until I can properly judge what the Cowleys can achieve! I've no doubt a Cowley team can and would do. However, this ain't a Cowley team, it's a Jan Siewert and, to a lesser extent, David Wagner team that has become so used to losing that there is no passion or fight there at all. We're a team of zombies, going through the motions but dead behind the eyes. Hodgkinson wasted the whole summer, seemingly backing a guy who clearly wasn't up to the task and should have been thanked for his efforts and shown the door in May. Except he didn't really back him at all, as the club spent the square root of fuck all on new players and got rid of a ton of squad members. The time to bring in the Cowleys, or anyone else for that matter, wasn't three games into the new season and with the transfer window shut. What can they seriously be expected to do? It's just another in the long line of fuck ups made by this and the previous owner and I think most of us could have predicted it was going to turn out this way. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 23, 2019 13:03:37 GMT 1
We probably need to win 3 of the next 6. We've won 3 in 60...
I have total faith in the Cowleys, but zero faith in the players. If the best bet would be on fielding players who give a shit rather than on talent, I still don't think we have enough to field an XI.
Absolute farce that its come to this.
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Post by hthtafs on Sept 23, 2019 13:06:00 GMT 1
A side that gets promoted gets 2 points per game = 92 points A side that survives mid table gets 1.5 points per game = 69 points. Irrespective of who comes in and the effect of the cowleys I think it would be optimistic to suggest we might turn into a side with promotion potential, however we could become a mid table side. We have 38 games left that’s 57 points plus 1 point already = 58 points. Applying that simple logic we lose our next 3 games and you have got to assume we’re pretty much on our way down!
Sounds daft 11 games in but logical.
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 23, 2019 13:09:04 GMT 1
What a state it’s become when after this many games in our first season after relegation in the PL we are talking about another relegation battle. Some serious questions need asking and answering by a lot of people behind the scenes who’ve quite frankly failed at their jobs. I’m still amazed at the levels of support the fans have given to the club in this period. Seeing Diakhabys face after O’Briens first goal pretty much sums up the attitude by far too many in his position and above, they simply don’t care. I’d rather 11 O’Briens on the pitch and a few off it giving 100% than some of the wage thieves we’ve had here for far too long. That includes management as well, fucking embarrassing.
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Post by andyboothscat on Sept 23, 2019 13:11:23 GMT 1
Put it this way - if chemical Ali was in charge of PR at Town - even he would accept that we are in a relegation battle.
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 23, 2019 13:11:40 GMT 1
We probably need to win 3 of the next 6. We've won 3 in 60... I have total faith in the Cowleys, but zero faith in the players. If the best bet would be on fielding players who give a shit rather than on talent, I still don't think we have enough to field an XI. Absolute farce that its come to this. I’d move some more youth in. Kongolo, Mbenza, Diakhaby etc can all go train in the canal for all I care. I wouldn’t put them with the youth team, why should they be exposed to their attitude. Get some lads in who actually give as much of a fuck as the 18k loyal town fans that still keep turning up. As for the management who’ve got us into this mess, fucking Jesus, how they’ve not been made accountable is beyond me. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 23, 2019 13:13:35 GMT 1
What a state it’s become when after this many games in our first season after relegation in the PL we are talking about another relegation battle. Some serious questions need asking and answering by a lot of people behind the scenes who’ve quite frankly failed at their jobs. I’m still amazed at the levels of support the fans have given to the club in this period. Seeing Diakhabys face after O’Briens first goal pretty much sums up the attitude by far too many in his position and above, they simply don’t care. I’d rather 11 O’Briens on the pitch and a few off it giving 100% than some of the wage thieves we’ve had here for far too long. That includes management as well, fucking embarrassing. Spot on mate ! The club has well and truly fucked up this year and in transfer window! Half the team are shocking ! |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 23, 2019 13:17:51 GMT 1
What a state it’s become when after this many games in our first season after relegation in the PL we are talking about another relegation battle. Some serious questions need asking and answering by a lot of people behind the scenes who’ve quite frankly failed at their jobs. I’m still amazed at the levels of support the fans have given to the club in this period. Seeing Diakhabys face after O’Briens first goal pretty much sums up the attitude by far too many in his position and above, they simply don’t care. I’d rather 11 O’Briens on the pitch and a few off it giving 100% than some of the wage thieves we’ve had here for far too long. That includes management as well, fucking embarrassing. Will not change until the vast majority of this squad are gone, and we cant achieve that in January. Schindler and Hogg are currently tripe but I'd say with them its the other way, in that they care too much and are broken by losing and the complete twats around them. Pretty much everyone we signed post Wembley bar Tom Ince (and the conversion of existing loans) has turned out to be a twat one way or another. How ironic. |
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 23, 2019 13:22:17 GMT 1
What a state it’s become when after this many games in our first season after relegation in the PL we are talking about another relegation battle. Some serious questions need asking and answering by a lot of people behind the scenes who’ve quite frankly failed at their jobs. I’m still amazed at the levels of support the fans have given to the club in this period. Seeing Diakhabys face after O’Briens first goal pretty much sums up the attitude by far too many in his position and above, they simply don’t care. I’d rather 11 O’Briens on the pitch and a few off it giving 100% than some of the wage thieves we’ve had here for far too long. That includes management as well, fucking embarrassing. Will not change until the vast majority of this squad are gone, and we cant achieve that in January. Schindler and Hogg are currently tripe but I'd say with them its the other way, in that they care too much and are broken by losing and the complete twats around them. Pretty much everyone we signed post Wembley bar Tom Ince (and the conversion of existing loans) has turned out to be a twat one way or another. How ironic. I predict a riot |
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Post by greyhoundkev on Sept 23, 2019 13:22:49 GMT 1
The highest side you face in the next 7 games (looking at the table today) is Blackburn in 10th. If you're still at the bottom after those games then you're definitely in a relegation battle. I keep predicting at least 3 wins in next 7 and I understand from the results why a lot think that is highly unlikely, but look at the bare facts: After you lost to Wednesday I said you'd stay up and a number on here said you'd not be able to score enough to get any points. Yesterday you went to one of the promotion favourites who'd only conceded two goals in a game once this season and scored twice for the first time this season (someone said you only had two shots, but that's immaterial) I looked on the West Brom prediction thread and only ONE fan predicted you'd score two goals so that shows what an achievement it was. Millwall haven't won away in league all season and Stoke haven't won at all. Your managers will be targetting enough further improvement to take at least 4 points from those 2 games and then you're getting close to the pack above the relegation zone. Keep smiling, it'll all be okay  |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 23, 2019 13:25:48 GMT 1
The highest side you face in the next 7 games (looking at the table today) is Blackburn in 10th. If you're still at the bottom after those games then you're definitely in a relegation battle. I keep predicting at least 3 wins in next 7 and I understand from the results why a lot think that is highly unlikely, but look at the bare facts; Millwall haven't won away in league all season and Stoke haven't won at all. Thank you, Kev, for the kiss of death. |
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Post by marshterrier on Sept 23, 2019 13:27:34 GMT 1
Silly question. All but the insane know we are in a relegation battle and look favourites to pick up the wooden spoon...
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 23, 2019 13:27:34 GMT 1
Will not change until the vast majority of this squad are gone, and we cant achieve that in January. Schindler and Hogg are currently tripe but I'd say with them its the other way, in that they care too much and are broken by losing and the complete twats around them. Pretty much everyone we signed post Wembley bar Tom Ince (and the conversion of existing loans) has turned out to be a twat one way or another. How ironic. I predict a riot Chestwanker |
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