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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 21:30:40 GMT 1
The season we stayed up we created very few chances. But the chances that Mounie and Depoitre got they were putting away. I’d love to see the stats on their conversion rates that season. It was clear for all to see we weren’t creative enough and the only player capable of delivering a decent ball was Mooy. The actual logic of buying 2 wingers was sound. Just a shame they were utter utter shite and it ultimately cost us the best manager we’ve had in decades and our place in the premier league. We also needed to recruit someone in the middle to cover if mooy was to get injured, we didn’t and he did... big shame what’s happened at this club recently. Personally feel very apathetic about things at the moment - reminds me a lot of how I was feeling before Deano took over actually As (imo) was the actual logic of bringing in young players that were deemed to have a lot of potential. Diakhaby at Monaco. Mbenza Belgium U21. I was genuinely excited by those 2 at the time. Bring them in, develop them & sell on for a profit as we develop the club in the EPL. It made perfect sense. Such a shame.
We needed one of the speedsters to set the league on fire, score 15 goals before Christmas, Leaving us having a nosebleed and sniffing Europe.
But then I also appreciate the free scoring goal ace would become a wanker and fuck off in January to one of the big uns,
One can only dream.
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Post by linson on Jul 9, 2020 21:41:36 GMT 1
The season we stayed up we created very few chances. But the chances that Mounie and Depoitre got they were putting away. I’d love to see the stats on their conversion rates that season. It was clear for all to see we weren’t creative enough and the only player capable of delivering a decent ball was Mooy. The actual logic of buying 2 wingers was sound. Just a shame they were utter utter shite and it ultimately cost us the best manager we’ve had in decades and our place in the premier league. We also needed to recruit someone in the middle to cover if mooy was to get injured, we didn’t and he did... big shame what’s happened at this club recently. Personally feel very apathetic about things at the moment - reminds me a lot of how I was feeling before Deano took over actually Wasn't that the idea behind Pritchard? Sit behind Mounie and supply the wingers / through balls for the CF with Billing / Hogg behind to do the groundwork? He's been almost as disappointing as the rest of them to be honest.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 9, 2020 21:54:14 GMT 1
The season we stayed up we created very few chances. But the chances that Mounie and Depoitre got they were putting away. I’d love to see the stats on their conversion rates that season. It was clear for all to see we weren’t creative enough and the only player capable of delivering a decent ball was Mooy. The actual logic of buying 2 wingers was sound. Just a shame they were utter utter shite and it ultimately cost us the best manager we’ve had in decades and our place in the premier league. We also needed to recruit someone in the middle to cover if mooy was to get injured, we didn’t and he did... big shame what’s happened at this club recently. Personally feel very apathetic about things at the moment - reminds me a lot of how I was feeling before Deano took over actually Wasn't that the idea behind Pritchard? Sit behind Mounie and supply the wingers / through balls for the CF with Billing / Hogg behind to do the groundwork? He's been almost as disappointing as the rest of them to be honest. Almost ? He's been the biggest disappointment. We didn't know what to expect from the speed twins but we knew what Pritchard and Ince were capable of, neither delivered but at least we made a profit on Ince
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 10, 2020 6:29:52 GMT 1
Still, look on the bright side....Diakhaby will rip it up in Div 1 next year....
Edit - my auto correct changed him to "discount" hmmmmmm.😲
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 10, 2020 6:36:35 GMT 1
Yeah have to agree with Mounie and Depoitre in fairness, we've not played to their strengths either with positions, tactics or formations. The idea of a good team should be synergy - the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. The speed twins - Diakhaby and Mbenza, were clearly bought to try and get the best out of Depoitre and Mounie but just struggled to even do the basics. Depoitre has gone on to have 35 appearances, 15 goals and 4 appearances this season (fair play to him) with his new team. Imagine if we had just one player who could cross to him when we were in the prem. What a different story that would have been *sighs* Agree in the main with what you're saying, but the league Depoitre is in might not even be Championship standard. Either way, it's a gulf to the Premier League, so you can probably halve those stats.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 10, 2020 8:57:39 GMT 1
Yeah have to agree with Mounie and Depoitre in fairness, we've not played to their strengths either with positions, tactics or formations. The idea of a good team should be synergy - the sum of the parts is greater than the whole. The speed twins - Diakhaby and Mbenza, were clearly bought to try and get the best out of Depoitre and Mounie but just struggled to even do the basics. Depoitre has gone on to have 35 appearances, 15 goals and 4 appearances this season (fair play to him) with his new team. Imagine if we had just one player who could cross to him when we were in the prem. What a different story that would have been *sighs* Agree in the main with what you're saying, but the league Depoitre is in might not even be Championship standard. Either way, it's a gulf to the Premier League, so you can probably halve those stats. The problem with Depoitre (and lots of other players tbh) is that they only turn it on when they fancy it. When he was on it, he was a PL player. When he couldn't be arsed, he was beyond useless. We really do tread a fine line with some of these players.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 10, 2020 9:03:29 GMT 1
Agree in the main with what you're saying, but the league Depoitre is in might not even be Championship standard. Either way, it's a gulf to the Premier League, so you can probably halve those stats. The problem with Depoitre (and lots of other players tbh) is that they only turn it on when they fancy it. When he was on it, he was a PL player. When he couldn't be arsed, he was beyond useless. We really do tread a fine line with some of these players. Depoitre was a beast at times in that first season, him ragging Harry Maguire around like a he was a skinny 17 year old was a particular highlight. He was a disgrace in the second season though, an overweight, lumbering camel. I'd be interested to know what happened to him in the summer of 2018.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 10, 2020 10:43:15 GMT 1
I liked Ince. Premier League was maybe a step too far for him but he always gave us 100%. And I will forever be grateful to him for that late winner v Watford. I liked him as well. Even when the goals didn't go for him early on he kept trying, he kept going for goal, he didn't hide away. And the goal against Watford was one of the highlights of that season. Put it this way, I'd rather have had him than Sobhi. I'd rather Sobhi than Diakhaby.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 10, 2020 10:47:48 GMT 1
Hang on, hang on a minute! It's no good saying that Stoke gave us £10m for a sh*t winger in Tom Ince - you forget to factor in that we gave them half of that back for one of the worst players we have ever, EVER signed in Ramadan Sobhi!
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 10, 2020 19:04:41 GMT 1
Hang on, hang on a minute! It's no good saying that Stoke gave us £10m for a sh*t winger in Tom Ince - you forget to factor in that we gave them half of that back for one of the worst players we have ever, EVER signed in Ramadan Sobhi! Haven't we got a reasonable chunk of that back in loan fees.
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Post by Htfc1987 on Jul 27, 2020 16:16:52 GMT 1
He’s such an amazing and brilliant player. His footballing skills are top notch, can’t wait to see him here again next year. Hopefully Mbenza and Sobhi are also playing for us next year. Wouldn’t that be just great. Brilliant players all 3 of em, bargains.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 27, 2020 16:28:54 GMT 1
Don't totally right him off. The problem is confidence which must be absolutely shot. He's our player... no one will want him... the new coach believes in attacking play. If Corberon can get something out of this player it will be a tremendous achievement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 16:31:54 GMT 1
Don't totally right him off. The problem is confidence which must be absolutely shot. He's our player... no one will want him... the new coach believes in attacking play. If Corberon can get something out of this player it will be a tremendous achievement. Or a miracle worker. Time will tell.
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Post by boooothy on Jul 27, 2020 16:40:08 GMT 1
If he gets Diakhaby playing, he’s a genius.
If he gets Mbenza playing, he’s Jesus.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 27, 2020 16:51:21 GMT 1
If he gets Diakhaby playing, he’s a genius. If he gets Mbenza playing, he’s Jesus. He’ll be walking down the river to work if he does Hilarious reading back to the first few pages of this thread. Some of you should read your comments and apologise
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 27, 2020 17:01:14 GMT 1
Don't totally right him off. The problem is confidence which must be absolutely shot. He's our player... no one will want him... the new coach believes in attacking play. If Corberon can get something out of this player it will be a tremendous achievement. His confidence is probably shot to pieces, mine would be if I did what he did against Fulham for Forest but if Charlie can get a 'tune out of this fiddle' then he is a miracle worker.
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Post by Champers on Jul 27, 2020 17:40:55 GMT 1
Don't totally right him off. The problem is confidence which must be absolutely shot. He's our player... no one will want him... the new coach believes in attacking play. If Corberon can get something out of this player it will be a tremendous achievement. There's something in there for definite but I've given up expecting to ever see it at Town, if at all. He absolutely tortured the Hull defenders in that 3-0 win earlier in the season and I hoped that he might have finally found the confidence he needed to step up but it didn't take him long to revert to type. I don't expect someone who understands the game like Carlos does to entertain him at all so he'll be off on loan again to some poor souls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 19:18:51 GMT 1
If he gets Diakhaby playing, he’s a genius. If he gets Mbenza playing, he’s Jesus. He’ll be walking down the river to work if he does Hilarious reading back to the first few pages of this thread. Some of you should read your comments and apologise Completely and Totally agree - why are we wasting any more time and coaching effort. AD is not a professional football player
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 27, 2020 19:28:04 GMT 1
Hope over expectation brings me here, only to realise that, sadly, Diakhaby has not been palmed off onto some unsuspecting soul. Oh well....
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 27, 2020 19:59:46 GMT 1
The problem with Depoitre (and lots of other players tbh) is that they only turn it on when they fancy it. When he was on it, he was a PL player. When he couldn't be arsed, he was beyond useless. We really do tread a fine line with some of these players. Depoitre was a beast at times in that first season, him ragging Harry Maguire around like a he was a skinny 17 year old was a particular highlight. He was a disgrace in the second season though, an overweight, lumbering camel. I'd be interested to know what happened to him in the summer of 2018. Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 27, 2020 20:07:09 GMT 1
Depoitre was a beast at times in that first season, him ragging Harry Maguire around like a he was a skinny 17 year old was a particular highlight. He was a disgrace in the second season though, an overweight, lumbering camel. I'd be interested to know what happened to him in the summer of 2018. Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say. Something must have gone on. Did we stop a move? Did we refuse a pay rise? Whatever it was he took hit bat and ball home.
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Post by ldotm on Jul 27, 2020 20:11:53 GMT 1
Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say. Something must have gone on. Did we stop a move? Did we refuse a pay rise? Whatever it was he took hit bat and ball home. Second season syndrome - the buzz goes.. players start taking the PL for granted and as a novelty and let the foot off the gas, couple that with a losing streak where confidence and belief goes and it spirals down. Had any of our players played in the PL before that season? Very few will have. It’s an opportunity they grab with both hands with the added buzz of our fans experiencing it for the first time, players bust a gut.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 27, 2020 20:12:30 GMT 1
Depoitre was a beast at times in that first season, him ragging Harry Maguire around like a he was a skinny 17 year old was a particular highlight. He was a disgrace in the second season though, an overweight, lumbering camel. I'd be interested to know what happened to him in the summer of 2018. Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say. I think his contributions to the high points of 17-18 do mask his general performance that season. He looked very good up til December but did drop off a bit after that, although nowhere near the same scale as the second season where he was the worst culprit effort-wise aside from Puncheon, who I'm still convinced was a saboteur.
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Post by Leporid on Jul 27, 2020 20:23:41 GMT 1
Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say. I think his contributions to the high points of 17-18 do mask his general performance that season. He looked very good up til December but did drop off a bit after that, although nowhere near the same scale as the second season where he was the worst culprit effort-wise aside from Puncheon, who I'm still convinced was a saboteur. I pretty much agree with this. Depoitre didn't puncheon above his weight in either season, although he was significantly worse in the second one.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 27, 2020 20:28:09 GMT 1
Not forgetting the goal he scored against Chelsea when Caballero tried to take him out. Always wondered that myself. The contrast between 1st and 2nd season was huge, as you say. I think his contributions to the high points of 17-18 do mask his general performance that season. He looked very good up til December but did drop off a bit after that, although nowhere near the same scale as the second season where he was the worst culprit effort-wise aside from Puncheon, who I'm still convinced was a saboteur. 1 goal in 43 apps between December 17 and Feb 19 after which he never played again. Yes it was the biggest of goals but the moment should be cherished rather than the player, he was a fucking disgrace.
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Post by softboy on Jul 27, 2020 20:45:02 GMT 1
Whilst the guy is 24 he is relatively inexperienced having only played 80 games prior to comming to town. Including Caen B, Rennes B, Rennes, Monaco (22 games). In his purple patch he created the Bacuna goal that gave us our first win of the season, he was unplayable against Hull (home) and Blackburn (away) until he went off injured. I am not saying he is a world beater (far from it) but I see someone low in confidence at a club low in confidence. As I see it he doesn't appear disruptive, has not really said anything about anything really. If I were Carlos I would give him every chance as I believe there is a quality player in there somewhere.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 27, 2020 22:30:30 GMT 1
Am sorry but hes just not very good. Forest fans think hes hopeless.......and they were a top 6 side most of the season so the "hes playing in a poor team here" guff doesnt wash. Get shut as soon as we can.....and please do the same with mbenza, sobhi, flo, hamer, pritchard et al if we can.
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Post by specialun on Jul 27, 2020 22:50:10 GMT 1
Purple patches - Do they come in minutes now?
He can’t control a football!
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Post by Armchair Pundit on Jul 27, 2020 22:59:30 GMT 1
The problem with Depoitre (and lots of other players tbh) is that they only turn it on when they fancy it. When he was on it, he was a PL player. When he couldn't be arsed, he was beyond useless. We really do tread a fine line with some of these players. Depoitre was a beast at times in that first season, him ragging Harry Maguire around like a he was a skinny 17 year old was a particular highlight. He was a disgrace in the second season though, an overweight, lumbering camel. I'd be interested to know what happened to him in the summer of 2018. He was pushing to get into the Belgium World Cup squad. After the summer he had nothing to play for except town. So probably lost interest a bit.
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