Kongolo

[chinaski]

Apologies if this has already been covered to death (I haven’t the time to trawl through every thread) but are we assuming Terry has downed tools ahead of a move in the new year?

[Captainslapper]

Something must have gone on I reckon, Hes supposed to have been 'back' now for weeks and doesn;t even get on the bench.

Great when we had him on loan but very average since it became permanent IMO.

Its hard not to come to the conclusion that a lot of these players we signed from europe were happy enough to come to Huddersfield when prem football was on offer, but as sson as it wasn't ( and even before in some cases ) they lost most of their desire to be here.

Weve been on a steep and very expensive learning curve as a club.

[Terriersmad]

Best way for players like Kongolo to get the move they want (if indeed they do want a move - I can't claim any inside knowledge and I'm not going to make any slurs against players in the circumstances) is to knuckle down and work hard. Show a professional attitude and a club is more likely to meet an asking price. We get performances and big money, they get their move. Win win. Amazes me that agents don't advise this more.

[ambryboy]

If only a few more had Danny Simpson's (excellent) attitude.

[leroy212]

Nov 3, 2019 12:35:35 GMT 1 Terriersmad said:

Best way for players like Kongolo to get the move they want (if indeed they do want a move - I can't claim any inside knowledge and I'm not going to make any slurs against players in the circumstances) is to knuckle down and work hard. Show a professional attitude and a club is more likely to meet an asking price. We get performances and big money, they get their move. Win win. Amazes me that agents don't advise this more.

Did seem to lack interest in games he has played and fact he not back in squad ATM seems abit suspect

[ritchie]

Will be out the door asap

[Deleted]

I remember Maynard Blue saying on a different thread a while ago that Kongolo would be back to full fitness around January the 1st. Tounge-in-cheek comment based on inside knowledge? I thought so at the time and I haven't heard anything since to change my mind.

[leroy212]

As good as a defender he is, has to be said not really missing him atm

[impact]

Nov 3, 2019 12:35:35 GMT 1 Terriersmad said:

Best way for players like Kongolo to get the move they want (if indeed they do want a move - I can't claim any inside knowledge and I'm not going to make any slurs against players in the circumstances) is to knuckle down and work hard. Show a professional attitude and a club is more likely to meet an asking price. We get performances and big money, they get their move. Win win. Amazes me that agents don't advise this more.

Not if you already have a move lined up, in which case not getting injured is probably the best way.

[dumbo]

Nov 3, 2019 12:53:36 GMT 1 leroy212 said:

As good as a defender he is, has to be said not really missing him atm

It's amazing how well we are coping without the big transfer fee players.

Kongolo, Pritchard, Mounie, Mbenza are 4 of our 5/6 record signings. All not playing.

Imagine if they were all 100% committed and starting to live up to their transfer fees like Diakhaby is doing.

[impact]

Nov 3, 2019 13:02:06 GMT 1 dumbo said:

Nov 3, 2019 12:53:36 GMT 1 leroy212 said:

As good as a defender he is, has to be said not really missing him atm

It's amazing how well we are coping without the big transfer fee players.

Kongolo, Pritchard, Mounie, Mbenza are 4 of our 5/6 record signings. All not playing.

Imagine if they were all 100% committed and starting to live up to their transfer fees like Diakhaby is doing.

You can take Mounie and Pritchard out of that list. 1 has been on the bench most weeks but just doesn't have a role in our team, the other has been injured most of the season and has shown nothing but commitment, even if his performances haven't been what we'd hoped for.

[detox]

Our back 4 have been unchanged for the past 7 games, during which we are unbeaten..Why would we change that ? Kongolo may well be fit but even so , you don't change a winning team.. (apart from bacuna/chalobah and Campell/diakhaby)..

[Baby Ate My Eight Ball]

Nov 3, 2019 12:31:51 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Something must have gone on I reckon, Hes supposed to have been 'back' now for weeks and doesn;t even get on the bench.

Great when we had him on loan but very average since it became permanent IMO.

Its hard not to come to the conclusion that a lot of these players we signed from europe were happy enough to come to Huddersfield when prem football was on offer, but as sson as it wasn't ( and even before in some cases ) they lost most of their desire to be here.

Weve been on a steep and very expensive learning curve as a club.

The annoying thing is we did everything fans of other clubs warned us not to do in the second season - signing unproven foreign players on big money and unsettling the team spirit that was the core factor in our promotion. It didn’t take long for it all to unravel.

A consequence of not being prepared for promotion and doing more thorough research on our signings, meaning we made some real panic buys.

Looks like we’ll have to take a big loss on a few of them, along with their wages and upgrades on infrastructure etc it means we’ll have little to show for the premier league money other than the parachute payments, which will be mostly used to cover wages and cover the change in ownership.

[wigster]

Nov 3, 2019 13:19:29 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

Nov 3, 2019 12:31:51 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Something must have gone on I reckon, Hes supposed to have been 'back' now for weeks and doesn;t even get on the bench.

Great when we had him on loan but very average since it became permanent IMO.

Its hard not to come to the conclusion that a lot of these players we signed from europe were happy enough to come to Huddersfield when prem football was on offer, but as sson as it wasn't ( and even before in some cases ) they lost most of their desire to be here.

Weve been on a steep and very expensive learning curve as a club.

The annoying thing is we did everything fans of other clubs warned us not to do in the second season - signing unproven foreign players on big money and unsettling the team spirit that was the core factor in our promotion. It didn’t take long for it all to unravel.

A consequence of not being prepared for promotion and doing more thorough research on our signings, meaning we made some real panic buys.

Looks like we’ll have to take a big loss on a few of them, along with their wages and upgrades on infrastructure etc it means we’ll have little to show for the premier league money other than the parachute payments, which will be mostly used to cover wages and cover the change in ownership.

This does seem to be true - I have no inside knowledge whatsoever but it does seem, from the above and comments ex-players have made, that we got a bit lost/complacent in the Premier league. It may be that we had no-one to guide us (manager or board) when DH got ill, that our recruitment (players and new management team) went wrong or whatever. I remember Dean Hoyle saying the year before we went up something along the lines of getting in to the Premier league would solve all our problems. I do suspect that getting there was all that mattered - we did leave with a whimper. I know no more than most people on this board but DH's absence/change of priorities and David Wagner's alleged repeated moves to get away, coupled with some very iffy transfer dealings, created a perfect storm.

I would certainly agree with a previous poster that appointing the Cowleys instead of Jan Siewert would have been very interesting. I can't remember many teams accepting relegation from the Premier league with as little fight.

[Baby Ate My Eight Ball]

Nov 3, 2019 13:58:49 GMT 1 wigster said:

Nov 3, 2019 13:19:29 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

The annoying thing is we did everything fans of other clubs warned us not to do in the second season - signing unproven foreign players on big money and unsettling the team spirit that was the core factor in our promotion. It didn’t take long for it all to unravel.

A consequence of not being prepared for promotion and doing more thorough research on our signings, meaning we made some real panic buys.

Looks like we’ll have to take a big loss on a few of them, along with their wages and upgrades on infrastructure etc it means we’ll have little to show for the premier league money other than the parachute payments, which will be mostly used to cover wages and cover the change in ownership.

This does seem to be true - I have no inside knowledge whatsoever but it does seem, from the above and comments ex-players have made, that we got a bit lost/complacent in the Premier league. It may be that we had no-one to guide us (manager or board) when DH got ill, that our recruitment (players and new management team) went wrong or whatever. I remember Dean Hoyle saying the year before we went up something along the lines of getting in to the Premier league would solve all our problems. I do suspect that getting there was all that mattered - we did leave with a whimper. I know no more than most people on this board but DH's absence/change of priorities and David Wagner's alleged repeated moves to get away, coupled with some very iffy transfer dealings, created a perfect storm.

I would certainly agree with a previous poster that appointing the Cowleys instead of Jan Siewert would have been very interesting. I can't remember many teams accepting relegation from the Premier league with as little fight.

Webber leaving and not being adequately replaced was the main reason for me. Look at the players Norwich signed to get them promotion, sold Maddison and Pritchard for big money and build a well rounded squad with frees and cheap signings from Europe.

Shows he knows what he’s doing and would have done a far better job identifying players than we did with Moss, Rebbe and a vacant DOF since Webber left.

[Deleted]

Nov 3, 2019 13:05:54 GMT 1 impact said:

Nov 3, 2019 13:02:06 GMT 1 dumbo said:

It's amazing how well we are coping without the big transfer fee players.

Kongolo, Pritchard, Mounie, Mbenza are 4 of our 5/6 record signings. All not playing.

Imagine if they were all 100% committed and starting to live up to their transfer fees like Diakhaby is doing.

You can take Mounie and Pritchard out of that list. 1 has been on the bench most weeks but just doesn't have a role in our team, the other has been injured most of the season and has shown nothing but commitment, even if his performances haven't been what we'd hoped for.

Watch the background of the post match Cowley interview on YouTube...some very frustrated/argumentative body language from Pritchard when he walks past.

[deadleg]

Nov 3, 2019 15:10:11 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

Webber leaving and not being adequately replaced was the main reason for me. Look at the players Norwich signed to get them promotion, sold Maddison and Pritchard for big money and build a well rounded squad with frees and cheap signings from Europe.

Shows he knows what he’s doing and would have done a far better job identifying players than we did with Moss, Rebbe and a vacant DOF since Webber left.

I'm not disagreeing here as he (or an adequate replacement) was obviously a big miss but on the flipside we managed to survive a season up there without him and at the moment Norwich aren't looking too likely to do the same.. Even with the benefit of their infrastructure that he made a point of comparing to ours when he went there.

I don't think he'll allow them come back down preparing for the Championship in half the state we ended up in though.

[Chips Longhorn]

Nov 3, 2019 16:20:50 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

Nov 3, 2019 13:05:54 GMT 1 impact said:

You can take Mounie and Pritchard out of that list. 1 has been on the bench most weeks but just doesn't have a role in our team, the other has been injured most of the season and has shown nothing but commitment, even if his performances haven't been what we'd hoped for.

Watch the background of the post match Cowley interview on YouTube...some very frustrated/argumentative body language from Pritchard when he walks past.

This one? I'm struggling to see frustrated /argumentative body language on this?

[impact]

Nov 3, 2019 16:20:50 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

Nov 3, 2019 13:05:54 GMT 1 impact said:

You can take Mounie and Pritchard out of that list. 1 has been on the bench most weeks but just doesn't have a role in our team, the other has been injured most of the season and has shown nothing but commitment, even if his performances haven't been what we'd hoped for.

Watch the background of the post match Cowley interview on YouTube...some very frustrated/argumentative body language from Pritchard when he walks past.

You haven't got a clue what he was saying. That means absolutely nothing.

[dumbo]

Nov 3, 2019 16:54:38 GMT 1 impact said:

Nov 3, 2019 16:20:50 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

Watch the background of the post match Cowley interview on YouTube...some very frustrated/argumentative body language from Pritchard when he walks past.

You haven't got a clue what he was saying. That means absolutely nothing.

For the record. I wasn't trying to slag any of them, but for whatever reason they aren't playing any role.

A lot of potential amongst them and if you had told me in August none of them would be playing it would have been scary. Instead we don't seem to miss them and if they force their way back in the team we could be a real force.

[bogart]

I would have Pritchard back, at least he puts in a shift, the others are a waste of time and space.

[Deleted]

Nov 3, 2019 16:54:38 GMT 1 impact said:

Nov 3, 2019 16:20:50 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

Watch the background of the post match Cowley interview on YouTube...some very frustrated/argumentative body language from Pritchard when he walks past.

You haven't got a clue what he was saying. That means absolutely nothing.

It is frustrated/angry body language.

How can you not see that??

Now...I have no idea what he slamming his arms around at, could be dissapointment at having to pay for an adult sized meal, talking about frustration having just watched an incredibly poor refereeing display, or anything else...maybe he’s angry at the proliferation of micro plastics?? That’s why I don’t suggest anything...just pointing out some interesting body gestures that’s all, no need to get all defensive on his behalf!

[Deleted]

Nov 3, 2019 16:35:32 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Nov 3, 2019 16:20:50 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

Watch the background of the post match Cowley interview on YouTube...some very frustrated/argumentative body language from Pritchard when he walks past.

This one? I'm struggling to see frustrated /argumentative body language on this?

1m36 to 1m48s as he walks off.

[Deleted]

Nov 3, 2019 18:02:07 GMT 1 bogart said:

I would have Pritchard back, at least he puts in a shift, the others are a waste of time and space.

That old chestnut - “puts in a shift”....
He has been right up there as one of the biggest wastes of money amongst our PL signings. Two goals, one of them a lame shot that should have been saved. Came renowned for set pieces, the guy couldn’t beat a drum, never mind a wall.
I genuinely hope he takes his chance if he gets it and proves me wrong, but there’s been very little return from the “shifts” he’s put in during the near two years he’s been with Town.

[Chips Longhorn]

Nov 3, 2019 18:34:32 GMT 1 @bacunafrittata said:

Nov 3, 2019 16:35:32 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

This one? I'm struggling to see frustrated /argumentative body language on this?

1m36 to 1m48s as he walks off.

Very astute








Or deluded :-)

[ben1987]

Shame about kongolo. Great ability but a bit of a knob. Doesn’t want to be here and showing it behind the scenes too. I never had him down for being a knob, but to know he is is the most surprising news I’ve had since I found out ritchie is a porn star.

[Baby Ate My Eight Ball]

Nov 3, 2019 16:31:14 GMT 1 deadleg said:

Nov 3, 2019 15:10:11 GMT 1 Baby Ate My Eight Ball said:

Webber leaving and not being adequately replaced was the main reason for me. Look at the players Norwich signed to get them promotion, sold Maddison and Pritchard for big money and build a well rounded squad with frees and cheap signings from Europe.

Shows he knows what he’s doing and would have done a far better job identifying players than we did with Moss, Rebbe and a vacant DOF since Webber left.

I'm not disagreeing here as he (or an adequate replacement) was obviously a big miss but on the flipside we managed to survive a season up there without him and at the moment Norwich aren't looking too likely to do the same.. Even with the benefit of their infrastructure that he made a point of comparing to ours when he went there.

I don't think he'll allow them come back down preparing for the Championship in half the state we ended up in though.

Norwich didn’t sign anyone over the summer I think, which suggests to me they were happy to accept relegation and pocket the extra PL money and parachute payments.

That decision will have been made by the owners rather than Webber, and it will have been done so they didn’t spend all their money on punts and crash back down in complete disarray like we did, although there were offer contributing factors for us, such as Dean’s illness and Wagner moving on.

[Million Dollar Babies]

We'll be lucky to get 10 million for him now.

[yappledapple]

Nov 3, 2019 19:19:34 GMT 1 ben1987 said:

Shame about kongolo. Great ability but a bit of a knob. Doesn’t want to be here and showing it behind the scenes too. I never had him down for being a knob, but to know he is is the most surprising news I’ve had since I found out ritchie is a porn star.

Where have you heard this that he’s being a bit of a pain behind the scenes?

[ShortbreadPete]

Has he lost his magic?