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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 3, 2019 21:13:34 GMT 1
Time to get shut, doesnt want to be here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2019 21:21:12 GMT 1
Time to get shut, doesnt want to be here. No it's not the time to get shut.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2019 21:43:12 GMT 1
I would have Pritchard back, at least he puts in a shift, the others are a waste of time and space. We've already got Kachunga putting in a shift but providing nothing. No point putting the gnome in to do the same.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 3, 2019 22:04:59 GMT 1
I would have Pritchard back, at least he puts in a shift, the others are a waste of time and space. We've already got Kachunga putting in a shift but providing nothing. No point putting the gnome in to do the same. Chunga is class, does hell of lot of work mate I trust the Cowleys over you.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Nov 3, 2019 22:17:25 GMT 1
I would have Pritchard back, at least he puts in a shift, the others are a waste of time and space. That old chestnut - “puts in a shift”.... He has been right up there as one of the biggest wastes of money amongst our PL signings. Two goals, one of them a lame shot that should have been saved. Came renowned for set pieces, the guy couldn’t beat a drum, never mind a wall. I genuinely hope he takes his chance if he gets it and proves me wrong, but there’s been very little return from the “shifts” he’s put in during the near two years he’s been with Town. The thing Pritchard has not had a chance to do, mostly through injury, is to play under the Cowleys. Prior to the change of manager(s) nobody could see a winning performance coming from any of them. In the early games this season he worked hard, but like the rest of them with little result, they all looked like busy fools. The reason he is not playing now may just be because we have a core of players who have not lost a game in the last 7. You don't tinker with that unless you have injuries. I think if his skills fit a particular game or formation he will be played, but, like Bacuna, he may need game time as a sub to get fully match fit. Winning teams are very hard to break into. I think he is a very skillful player and under the Cowleys he could very possibly shine. Time will tell.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 3, 2019 22:27:03 GMT 1
We've already got Kachunga putting in a shift but providing nothing. No point putting the gnome in to do the same. Chunga is class, does hell of lot of work mate I trust the Cowleys over you. I've never said he doesn't work hard, it's his quality I've a problem with
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 0:16:36 GMT 1
Chunga is class, does hell of lot of work mate I trust the Cowleys over you. I've never said he doesn't work hard, it's his quality I've a problem with The thing is, Kach has proven himself once over in a Town shirt and contributed hugely to us getting to the promised land. All Pritch has succeeded at is stealing a sizeable wage.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Nov 4, 2019 0:19:56 GMT 1
Something must have gone on I reckon, Hes supposed to have been 'back' now for weeks and doesn;t even get on the bench. Great when we had him on loan but very average since it became permanent IMO. Its hard not to come to the conclusion that a lot of these players we signed from europe were happy enough to come to Huddersfield when prem football was on offer, but as sson as it wasn't ( and even before in some cases ) they lost most of their desire to be here. Weve been on a steep and very expensive learning curve as a club. [br Which is why Burnley rarerly sign such players.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 0:20:40 GMT 1
Shame about kongolo. Great ability but a bit of a knob. Doesn’t want to be here and showing it behind the scenes too. I never had him down for being a knob, but to know he is is the most surprising news I’ve had since I found out ritchie is a porn star. Where have you heard this that he’s being a bit of a pain behind the scenes? DATM
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 4, 2019 0:42:23 GMT 1
Something must have gone on I reckon, Hes supposed to have been 'back' now for weeks and doesn;t even get on the bench. Great when we had him on loan but very average since it became permanent IMO. Its hard not to come to the conclusion that a lot of these players we signed from europe were happy enough to come to Huddersfield when prem football was on offer, but as sson as it wasn't ( and even before in some cases ) they lost most of their desire to be here. Weve been on a steep and very expensive learning curve as a club. [br Which is why Burnley rarerly sign such players. So true. If Burnley were to go down, pretty all their players are just the type youd want to get back up out of the championship.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 4, 2019 0:44:49 GMT 1
Chunga is class, does hell of lot of work mate I trust the Cowleys over you. I've never said he doesn't work hard, it's his quality I've a problem with 2 years ago he was roundly thought of as one the very best players in the championship. That was through his work rate and quality. Only 2 years ago.. that quality is still there.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Nov 4, 2019 1:02:07 GMT 1
This does seem to be true - I have no inside knowledge whatsoever but it does seem, from the above and comments ex-players have made, that we got a bit lost/complacent in the Premier league. It may be that we had no-one to guide us (manager or board) when DH got ill, that our recruitment (players and new management team) went wrong or whatever. I remember Dean Hoyle saying the year before we went up something along the lines of getting in to the Premier league would solve all our problems. I do suspect that getting there was all that mattered - we did leave with a whimper. I know no more than most people on this board but DH's absence/change of priorities and David Wagner's alleged repeated moves to get away, coupled with some very iffy transfer dealings, created a perfect storm. I would certainly agree with a previous poster that appointing the Cowleys instead of Jan Siewert would have been very interesting. I can't remember many teams accepting relegation from the Premier league with as little fight. Webber leaving and not being adequately replaced was the main reason for me. Look at the players Norwich signed to get them promotion, sold Maddison and Pritchard for big money and build a well rounded squad with frees and cheap signings from Europe. Shows he knows what he’s doing and would have done a far better job identifying players than we did with Moss, Rebbe and a vacant DOF since Webber left. Yep we lost the plot a bit with this. We went from insisting the DOF role was vital for modern day Championship Football, to six years later in the Premier League claiming the position can stay vacant for long periods because we have people around the club who can fill in.
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Post by brodie81 on Nov 4, 2019 2:15:56 GMT 1
Kongolo has been partying a lot lately,run up a £8000 bar bill in Manchester other week.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 4, 2019 7:09:07 GMT 1
I've never said he doesn't work hard, it's his quality I've a problem with 2 years ago he was roundly thought of as one the very best players in the championship. That was through his work rate and quality. Only 2 years ago.. that quality is still there. Pritch, you mean ?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 4, 2019 7:52:30 GMT 1
Kongolo has been partying a lot lately,run up a £8000 bar bill in Manchester other week. Either he can put it away or that's one pricey bar tariff.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 4, 2019 8:29:58 GMT 1
Kongolo has been partying a lot lately,run up a £8000 bar bill in Manchester other week. I was out friday at the albert Schloss but didnt see him.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 4, 2019 9:34:29 GMT 1
Kongolo has been partying a lot lately,run up a £8000 bar bill in Manchester other week. I was out friday at the albert Schloss but didnt see him. I heard he saw you in there and decided not to go in 😁
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 4, 2019 9:37:09 GMT 1
2 years ago he was roundly thought of as one the very best players in the championship. That was through his work rate and quality. Only 2 years ago.. that quality is still there. Pritch, you mean ? Yeah. Just realised you were talking about Kachunga weren;'t you? DOH!
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Post by artysid on Nov 4, 2019 10:26:34 GMT 1
Yeah. Just realised you were talking about Kachunga weren;'t you? DOH! and all that confusion on a thread about Kongolo.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Nov 4, 2019 10:35:55 GMT 1
Where is any evidence that Kongolo has an attitude problem? I don't recall any very recent stateemnts, one way or the other, as to the status of any injury or of any issues behind the scene. I'm still of the opinion that, if fit, Kongolo is the best left-sided CB in the club and should be part of a CB pairing with Schindler. I agree he isn't a wing-back, but could be a more defensively-minded left back, if necessary.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 4, 2019 11:03:25 GMT 1
Where is any evidence that Kongolo has an attitude problem? I don't recall any very recent stateemnts, one way or the other, as to the status of any injury or of any issues behind the scene. I'm still of the opinion that, if fit, Kongolo is the best left-sided CB in the club and should be part of a CB pairing with Schindler. I agree he isn't a wing-back, but could be a more defensively-minded left back, if necessary. When you say "where is the evidence"? Well the management aren't going to say it are they? It's not going to be the banner headline on htafc.com. Sometimes maybe you need to read between the lines. He's not the best left sided centre back at the club. He's the best player at the club full stop. Yet he's not playing. If you want to believe that's because he keeps on picking up niggling injuries your entitled to do so. I doubt anything or anyone can categorically disprove that
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Post by Mastercracker on Nov 4, 2019 11:17:25 GMT 1
Not sure how anyone can think a lad who keeps getting in preliminary Holland squads and has plenty of caps for them, but isn’t playing for Huddersfield Town in the championship whilst apparently fit can be for any other reason than he’s being a knob.
He’s a mid table Premier League player. He’d start for plenty of sides in that league. He’ll know that and wants out as soon as possible. Probably the only reason he’s still here is because PH couldn’t be seen to sell every star player in one window.
In hindsight he shouldn’t have signed perm for us and we shouldn’t have signed someone like him for that money. It was always likely to go wrong for both parties.
Totally agree on if we ever get back there signing top end champ players with the odd foreign unknown like Burnley. They’ll be in far better circumstances with regards to their squad when they eventually get relegated.
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Post by benhomly on Nov 4, 2019 11:23:03 GMT 1
Not sure how anyone can think a lad who keeps getting in preliminary Holland squads and has plenty of caps for them, but isn’t playing for Huddersfield Town in the championship whilst apparently fit can be for any other reason than he’s being a knob. He’s a mid table Premier League player. He’d start for plenty of sides in that league. He’ll know that and wants out as soon as possible. Probably the only reason he’s still here is because PH couldn’t be seen to sell every star player in one window. In hindsight he shouldn’t have signed perm for us and we shouldn’t have signed someone like him for that money. It was always likely to go wrong for both parties. Totally agree on if we ever get back there signing top end champ players with the odd foreign unknown like Burnley. They’ll be in far better circumstances with regards to their squad when they eventually get relegated. I can think of one - maybe he's secured a deal for January and his new club have expressed a wish or clause that he can't play
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Post by crux on Nov 4, 2019 11:25:46 GMT 1
Not sure how anyone can think a lad who keeps getting in preliminary Holland squads and has plenty of caps for them, but isn’t playing for Huddersfield Town in the championship whilst apparently fit can be for any other reason than he’s being a knob. He’s a mid table Premier League player. He’d start for plenty of sides in that league. He’ll know that and wants out as soon as possible. Probably the only reason he’s still here is because PH couldn’t be seen to sell every star player in one window. In hindsight he shouldn’t have signed perm for us and we shouldn’t have signed someone like him for that money. It was always likely to go wrong for both parties. Totally agree on if we ever get back there signing top end champ players with the odd foreign unknown like Burnley. They’ll be in far better circumstances with regards to their squad when they eventually get relegated. I can think of one - maybe he's secured a deal for January and his new club have expressed a wish or clause that he can't play But if that was the case he should have 'broken down during his recovery from injury' by now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 11:34:49 GMT 1
Suspect some folk are jumping to conclusions....The following all direct quotes of Danny Cowley this last week.
"Terence is back on the grass which is a positive. He is an incredible athlete but when you have players that are incredibly athletic you have to be extra cautious. Because when they have soft tissues injuries, the nature of the way they perform means they use their muscles very powerfully. We have had to be more cautious than we would have had liked.
“But he is in a position now where he is fighting for his place in the team.":
"I think Terence's attitude has been excellent, he has worked exceptionally hard with the medical team.
"It is not easy being an injured player but his attitude and work ethic have been good. The positive is when you compare the team he left to the team he will be rejoining.
We have got players playing toward the top of their game and there is a lot of competition. And I think that is good, that is really healthy and that is what you want in all positions.
But Terence is a top player and top players always rise to the challenge."
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 4, 2019 11:41:47 GMT 1
Suspect some folk are jumping to conclusions....The following all direct quotes of Danny Cowley this last week. "Terence is back on the grass which is a positive. He is an incredible athlete but when you have players that are incredibly athletic you have to be extra cautious. Because when they have soft tissues injuries, the nature of the way they perform means they use their muscles very powerfully. We have had to be more cautious than we would have had liked. “But he is in a position now where he is fighting for his place in the team.": "I think Terence's attitude has been excellent, he has worked exceptionally hard with the medical team. "It is not easy being an injured player but his attitude and work ethic have been good. The positive is when you compare the team he left to the team he will be rejoining. We have got players playing toward the top of their game and there is a lot of competition. And I think that is good, that is really healthy and that is what you want in all positions. But Terence is a top player and top players always rise to the challenge." He's been saying similar for weeks.. Has he figured on our bench yet? Believe what you want to believe
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 4, 2019 11:51:34 GMT 1
Not sure how anyone can think a lad who keeps getting in preliminary Holland squads and has plenty of caps for them, but isn’t playing for Huddersfield Town in the championship whilst apparently fit can be for any other reason than he’s being a knob. He’s a mid table Premier League player. He’d start for plenty of sides in that league. He’ll know that and wants out as soon as possible. Probably the only reason he’s still here is because PH couldn’t be seen to sell every star player in one window. In hindsight he shouldn’t have signed perm for us and we shouldn’t have signed someone like him for that money. It was always likely to go wrong for both parties. Totally agree on if we ever get back there signing top end champ players with the odd foreign unknown like Burnley. They’ll be in far better circumstances with regards to their squad when they eventually get relegated. Hmm would he? If youre rating him on his 4 or 5 months on loan here in the prem, then yeah quite possibly. If youre rating him on the following season in the prem then no chance IMO. Not surprised the club are ( seem to be ) keeping the reasons for him not playing very much to themselves. His value will have plummeted anyway from what we paid for him, but if its known hes effectively shown to be downing tools too, then thats going to make it worse still.
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Post by wigster on Nov 4, 2019 11:53:17 GMT 1
Goodness me, the power of social media.
We know nothing about the player's current situation, other than what the manager has said (on more than one occasion) - "a great trainer/character/team man etc etc".And yet,with no evidence whatsoever, or even a hint of it, it's now being said that he wants out, has already signed for another club, drinks like a fish etc etc.
I presume the laws of slander and libel still apply. By all means give an opinion, don't state suppositions as fact.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2019 12:17:35 GMT 1
Suspect some folk are jumping to conclusions....The following all direct quotes of Danny Cowley this last week. "Terence is back on the grass which is a positive. He is an incredible athlete but when you have players that are incredibly athletic you have to be extra cautious. Because when they have soft tissues injuries, the nature of the way they perform means they use their muscles very powerfully. We have had to be more cautious than we would have had liked. “But he is in a position now where he is fighting for his place in the team.": "I think Terence's attitude has been excellent, he has worked exceptionally hard with the medical team. "It is not easy being an injured player but his attitude and work ethic have been good. The positive is when you compare the team he left to the team he will be rejoining. We have got players playing toward the top of their game and there is a lot of competition. And I think that is good, that is really healthy and that is what you want in all positions. But Terence is a top player and top players always rise to the challenge." He's been saying similar for weeks.. Has he figured on our bench yet? Believe what you want to believe I believe what Danny Cowley is saying paying particular note of his comments about being extra cautious with certain types of player and him highlighting Kongolos positive attitude and work ethic. It’s the same reason that athletic players like James Vaughan used to seemingly jump from injury to injury whereas less explosive players can bounce back fully recovered from injuries in no time and have no ill effect. But, believe what you want to believe....I don’t see any evidence whatsoever of why anyone would assume what some seem to be assuming, in fact the evidence is the complete opposite.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 4, 2019 12:30:23 GMT 1
It is an assumption.
But the evidence i look at is that this player who's ' a top player, great attitude etc etc' still hasn;t made it to the bench weeks after being declared available. I can see an argument for not dropping the current two CBs- theyre both doing well,, but not even on the bench?? That just seems odd.
That and how he was playing BEFORE the injury. His performances and body language were NOWHERE NEAR the player who first came here. Unrecognisable and he was in big danger of being dropped anyway IMO. He looked like a player who really didn;t want to be here before he picked up the injury.
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