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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 9, 2019 22:16:28 GMT 1
On a more light hearted note, if we sign Tommy Smith he would be the 3rd Town player I've seen with that name, can anybody beat that ? I've watched Town for 35 years and I'm sat here racking my brains for this 3rd Tommy Smith, in fact the only other Smith's who I recall playing for Town are Mark Smith X 2 and Alex Smith, who is this 2nd Tommy Smith? And if this other Tommy Smith is a free agent he can sign now. |
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Post by TheDalaiPharmer on Dec 9, 2019 22:34:30 GMT 1
On a more light hearted note, if we sign Tommy Smith he would be the 3rd Town player I've seen with that name, can anybody beat that ? I've watched Town for 35 years and I'm sat here racking my brains for this 3rd Tommy Smith, in fact the only other Smith's who I recall playing for Town are Mark Smith X 2 and Alex Smith, who is this 2nd Tommy Smith? And if this other Tommy Smith is a free agent he can sign now. You forgot about Marcus Stewarts replacement Martin  |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 9, 2019 22:38:00 GMT 1
I've watched Town for 35 years and I'm sat here racking my brains for this 3rd Tommy Smith, in fact the only other Smith's who I recall playing for Town are Mark Smith X 2 and Alex Smith, who is this 2nd Tommy Smith? And if this other Tommy Smith is a free agent he can sign now. You forgot about Marcus Stewarts replacement Martin He was probably the best Smith we've had. |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 9, 2019 22:40:22 GMT 1
You forgot about Marcus Stewarts replacement Martin He was probably the best Smith we've had. Think billy might disagree! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 9, 2019 22:45:50 GMT 1
He was probably the best Smith we've had. Think billy might disagree! No one is still alive from them days so we can't quantify, we'll go with Martin as the best Smith so far. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 22:46:23 GMT 1
On a more light hearted note, if we sign Tommy Smith he would be the 3rd Town player I've seen with that name, can anybody beat that ? I've watched Town for 35 years and I'm sat here racking my brains for this 3rd Tommy Smith, in fact the only other Smith's who I recall playing for Town are Mark Smith X 2 and Alex Smith, who is this 2nd Tommy Smith? And if this other Tommy Smith is a free agent he can sign now. ,_born_1959) Made 2 apps for us in 1979. You might need to copy and paste the above link for it to work. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 9, 2019 22:49:33 GMT 1
On a more light hearted note, if we sign Tommy Smith he would be the 3rd Town player I've seen with that name, can anybody beat that ? I've watched Town for 35 years and I'm sat here racking my brains for this 3rd Tommy Smith, in fact the only other Smith's who I recall playing for Town are Mark Smith X 2 and Alex Smith, who is this 2nd Tommy Smith? And if this other Tommy Smith is a free agent he can sign now. The first one was a young lad, 19 or so, a forward I believe from memory Mick Buxton brought him in when he took over in 78 and he made ( I think ) two aperances in two seasons. Bearing in mind I would struggle to name our starting line up from a couple of months ago yet I clearly remember the Town fans chanting "Let's have a see what Tommy Smith can do" in the hope of him coming off the bench from a home game over 40 years ago, under 2,500 there against Hartlepool in Div. 4. There can't be many Town fans who will gave seen all 3 Tommy Smith's if we do get the next one in January. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2019 22:52:02 GMT 1
Well if so, hopefully he's not received a large chunk of his wages. I’m now very fed up to put it politely, with these players with bad attitudes etc. If the stories are true I do hope that there is frantic work going on behind the scenes to make sure we get rid in early January. Who carried out the due diligence on these players ? What has gone is gone. The important thing is getting it right from now. I assume, as has been mentioned, they are training separately and their agents will be trying hard to get them placed. They will be going for small change as other clubs will know we want rid. They may not all go in January but if not they will in the summer. My guess is Bockhorn will go back to lower league German football. Diakhaby and Mbenza will go abroad, probably to less physically demanding leagues, citing difficulties settling in Huddersfield, three different managers, etc. Kongolo can obviously be a good player and will probably end up in Holland or similar at a decent level. Reece Brown, IMHO, is in a very poor place. The lad has history and lightening striking twice is going to make him very damaged goods. If he goes it will probably be back to League 2. If nobody shows interest he will end up training on his own, if the others go. He could just carry on regardless, accept going on loan or realise he is at last chance saloon and try again. I honestly cannot guess which of those it will be. The problems emerging now, and given we lost a few over the summer who may have been suffering from similar issues, gives some insight into how bloody awful we have been. Also JS being a poor manager, IMHO, was a contributing factor. Add to this Dean's very serious illness, which although nothing to do with the playing staff took his hand off the tiller at a crucial time and we have a bit of a perfect storm. This is a tough league for the Cowleys to get results in given the players available to them currently. We will get players back and we will get players in, and if the rotten apples have been removed from the barrel we can start to move forward with players who want to be here and want to work. I think, as Bielsa said, come January we will start moving up. I honestly did not think we would get anything from the game last Saturday but I really looked forward to it and that has been the case ever since the Cowleys took over. I am looking forward to the rest of the season even more now. |
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Post by royrace on Dec 9, 2019 22:52:49 GMT 1
Just been told 2 loans already agreed, to start 1st Jan, but maybe coming in earlier to train and brought into the squad. More kids by the sound of it. Hopefully we're not in a relegation battle come April because it'll be an awful lot of pressure on a very young group of players He says PL loans plus possibly permanents in the article, hoping the Cowleys can bring in some stars from the lower leagues, they know it well enough. |
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Post by houllierspal on Dec 9, 2019 23:00:25 GMT 1
Stephen Smith?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 9, 2019 23:09:22 GMT 1
I've watched Town for 35 years and I'm sat here racking my brains for this 3rd Tommy Smith, in fact the only other Smith's who I recall playing for Town are Mark Smith X 2 and Alex Smith, who is this 2nd Tommy Smith? And if this other Tommy Smith is a free agent he can sign now. The first one was a young lad, 19 or so, a forward I believe from memory Mick Buxton brought him in when he took over in 78 and he made ( I think ) two aperances in two seasons. Bearing in mind I would struggle to name our starting line up from a couple of months ago yet I clearly remember the Town fans chanting "Let's have a see what Tommy Smith can do" in the hope of him coming off the bench from a home game over 40 years ago, under 2,500 there against Hartlepool in Div. 4. There can't be many Town fans who will gave seen all 3 Tommy Smith's if we do get the next one in January. Crikey this is an obscure one. |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 9, 2019 23:35:21 GMT 1
Think billy might disagree! No one is still alive from them days so we can't quantify, we'll go with Martin as the best Smith so far. No we wont.....one won trophies and is rightly revered, the other was a talented player but a sick note! |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 9, 2019 23:45:36 GMT 1
No one is still alive from them days so we can't quantify, we'll go with Martin as the best Smith so far. No we wont.....one won trophies and is rightly revered, the other was a talented player but a sick note! I think we'd be surprised if we saw footage from them days as to how shite players were technically from sepia times. |
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Dec 9, 2019 23:46:33 GMT 1
On a more light hearted note, if we sign Tommy Smith he would be the 3rd Town player I've seen with that name, can anybody beat that ? I've watched Town for 35 years and I'm sat here racking my brains for this 3rd Tommy Smith, in fact the only other Smith's who I recall playing for Town are Mark Smith X 2 and Alex Smith, who is this 2nd Tommy Smith? And if this other Tommy Smith is a free agent he can sign now. Didn't we have a left back on loan from Sunderland at some point in the early 2000s called Dan Smith too? |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 10, 2019 0:06:21 GMT 1
No we wont.....one won trophies and is rightly revered, the other was a talented player but a sick note! I think we'd be surprised if we saw footage from them days as to how shite players were technically from sepia times. Different game I agree but similarly how would the modern lads cope with heavy pitches,ball and physicality.To diss them is a disservice....you only beat what's put in front of you. Or not in our case right now sadly!! |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 10, 2019 0:21:28 GMT 1
I've watched Town for 35 years and I'm sat here racking my brains for this 3rd Tommy Smith, in fact the only other Smith's who I recall playing for Town are Mark Smith X 2 and Alex Smith, who is this 2nd Tommy Smith? And if this other Tommy Smith is a free agent he can sign now. Didn't we have a left back on loan from Sunderland at some point in the early 2000s called Dan Smith too? Certainly did |
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Post by space hardware on Dec 10, 2019 0:21:44 GMT 1
Interesting comments from Phil on the ExaminerLive app tonight. His opinion is that “some very good players “ have been signed by the club who were “wrong for Huddersfield Town” I really do think it would be better for everyone if he just avoided being interviewed. He talks some absolute shite. |
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Dec 10, 2019 0:32:26 GMT 1
According to a mate of mine who is a ex employee of the town academy. Josh Marsh kissed arse to get to wear he has got to and he talks a good game but is absolutely clueless. Apparently
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 1:06:53 GMT 1
According to a mate of mine who is a ex employee of the town academy. Josh Marsh kissed arse to get to wear he has got to and he talks a good game but is absolutely clueless. Apparently I've heard that story countless times in my working life, mostly it's bullshit. Jealousy is a terrible thing. |
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Post by greyarea on Dec 10, 2019 1:42:15 GMT 1
According to a mate of mine who is a ex employee of the town academy. Josh Marsh kissed arse to get to wear he has got to and he talks a good game but is absolutely clueless. Apparently I work in objective truths as much as I can. There are 3 sides to every story; one persons view, the other persons view and what actually happened from a 3rd persons/non-involved viewpoint. I an only go on what we have seen (as a 3rd party). David Wagner and Stuart Webber's recruitment of loans and permanent signings in summer 2016 was close to perfect. Amazing players and characters that created the perfect situation to lead to am amazing promotion to the Premier league. Summer 2017 David Wagner, the recruitment dept (Josh marsh) and David Moss recruited well enough to get players good enough (even only for 1 year) to survive and stay up in the Prem. Summer 2018 , Moss had left and recruitment seems to have been Dean Hoyle, Josh Marsh and David Wagner: Total disaster and I don't know why . It strikes me as Josh marsh is the number cruncher on the analytics but needs other person inputs to make better holistic player choices. People always want scapgoats and I honestly don't know where the fault lays for the shocking 2018-2019 recruitment. I am very glad the Cowleys are in charge and have a clar view of what type of players they wish to recruit Finally I'm not going to hang out Marsh to dry as being an analyst because i guess hive gets given player profiles to find but then that goes to others to mak the decisions on the other aspects of the potential signing. |
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Post by townohiofan on Dec 10, 2019 6:29:12 GMT 1
Saw Smith a few times over the last season. He’s a real threat on set pieces but otherwise is fairly average for MLS (which isn’t exactly known for producing good defenders).
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 10, 2019 8:06:26 GMT 1
Think billy might disagree! No one is still alive from them days so we can't quantify, we'll go with Martin as the best Smith so far. Coddingtontripper was |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Dec 10, 2019 8:30:26 GMT 1
Steve Smith, Alex Smith, David Smith, Paul Smith, Mark Smith, Martin Smith, Dan Smith, Tommy Smith - that’s 8 Smith’s I’ve seen play for Town.
I knew about the other Tom Smith from ‘78 but didn’t see him play.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Dec 10, 2019 8:47:37 GMT 1
The first one was a young lad, 19 or so, a forward I believe from memory Mick Buxton brought him in when he took over in 78 and he made ( I think ) two aperances in two seasons. Bearing in mind I would struggle to name our starting line up from a couple of months ago yet I clearly remember the Town fans chanting "Let's have a see what Tommy Smith can do" in the hope of him coming off the bench from a home game over 40 years ago, under 2,500 there against Hartlepool in Div. 4. There can't be many Town fans who will gave seen all 3 Tommy Smith's if we do get the next one in January. Crikey this is an obscure one. Sometimes with age comes wisdom, not always though take Nick for example, it's ironic though we're now, quite rightly complaining about a £15/£16M Town player, earning, sorry getting paid in the region of £30k a week, back in the day 2,500 Town fans, drifting along in mid table obscurity in the 4th tier were getting their hopes up that a 19 year old free transfer, earning buttons could give us a welcome boost. |
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Post by loumacari on Dec 10, 2019 9:05:33 GMT 1
According to a mate of mine who is a ex employee of the town academy. Josh Marsh kissed arse to get to wear he has got to and he talks a good game but is absolutely clueless. Apparently I work in objective truths as much as I can. There are 3 sides to every story; one persons view, the other persons view and what actually happened from a 3rd persons/non-involved viewpoint. I an only go on what we have seen (as a 3rd party). David Wagner and Stuart Webber's recruitment of loans and permanent signings in summer 2016 was close to perfect. Amazing players and characters that created the perfect situation to lead to am amazing promotion to the Premier league. Summer 2017 David Wagner, the recruitment dept (Josh marsh) and David Moss recruited well enough to get players good enough (even only for 1 year) to survive and stay up in the Prem. Summer 2018 , Moss had left and recruitment seems to have been Dean Hoyle, Josh Marsh and David Wagner: Total disaster and I don't know why . It strikes me as Josh marsh is the number cruncher on the analytics but needs other person inputs to make better holistic player choices. People always want scapgoats and I honestly don't know where the fault lays for the shocking 2018-2019 recruitment. I am very glad the Cowleys are in charge and have a clar view of what type of players they wish to recruit Finally I'm not going to hang out Marsh to dry as being an analyst because i guess hive gets given player profiles to find but then that goes to others to mak the decisions on the other aspects of the potential signing. We keep hearing how Josh Marsh does analytics rather than identifying players. Well I think it’s pretty clear now that his analysis is totally flawed. He’s head of recruitment, the buck has to stop with him. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Dec 10, 2019 9:09:21 GMT 1
According to a mate of mine who is a ex employee of the town academy. Josh Marsh kissed arse to get to wear he has got to and he talks a good game but is absolutely clueless. Apparently i'm now of the opinion that the board are bloody clueless and have been for years. Can't blame him for being shit. Those that employ him should have noticed and got rid. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 10, 2019 9:11:59 GMT 1
I work in objective truths as much as I can. There are 3 sides to every story; one persons view, the other persons view and what actually happened from a 3rd persons/non-involved viewpoint. I an only go on what we have seen (as a 3rd party). David Wagner and Stuart Webber's recruitment of loans and permanent signings in summer 2016 was close to perfect. Amazing players and characters that created the perfect situation to lead to am amazing promotion to the Premier league. Summer 2017 David Wagner, the recruitment dept (Josh marsh) and David Moss recruited well enough to get players good enough (even only for 1 year) to survive and stay up in the Prem. Summer 2018 , Moss had left and recruitment seems to have been Dean Hoyle, Josh Marsh and David Wagner: Total disaster and I don't know why . It strikes me as Josh marsh is the number cruncher on the analytics but needs other person inputs to make better holistic player choices. People always want scapgoats and I honestly don't know where the fault lays for the shocking 2018-2019 recruitment. I am very glad the Cowleys are in charge and have a clar view of what type of players they wish to recruit Finally I'm not going to hang out Marsh to dry as being an analyst because i guess hive gets given player profiles to find but then that goes to others to mak the decisions on the other aspects of the potential signing. We keep hearing how Josh Marsh does analytics rather than identifying players. Well I think it’s pretty clear now that his analysis is totally If your job title is Head of Recruitment and the recruitment has been poor then you would hope at least that his duties have been changed. I know that analytics are important nowadays for monitoring fitness etc, but I would suggest that we have had an over reliance on this method for the scouting/ recruitment in the past few years. flawed. He’s head of recruitment, the buck has to stop with him. |
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Post by loumacari on Dec 10, 2019 9:21:57 GMT 1
We keep hearing how Josh Marsh does analytics rather than identifying players. Well I think it’s pretty clear now that his analysis is totally If your job title is Head of Recruitment and the recruitment has been poor then you would hope at least that his duties have been changed. I know that analytics are important nowadays for monitoring fitness etc, but I would suggest that we have had an over reliance on this method for the scouting/ recruitment in the past few years. flawed. He’s head of recruitment, the buck has to stop with him. Agreed, there’s nothing wrong with using analytics but they have to be used properly. If the outputs are consistently wayward then there comes a point where the person in charge has to take the blame. |
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Post by Rambo on Dec 10, 2019 10:26:22 GMT 1
I honestly don't see who is going to buy Mounie? He plays like a blind man in rigger boots and hasn't scored nigh on 2 years, who is seriously going to part with any cash for him. The club really need to back the Cowleys in January with some funds and help them get rid of a few. Didn't he score against Wolves in February? Granted it was mighty late in that game 90+1 mins. You may have missed it if you left early! |
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Post by cheesyhtfc on Dec 10, 2019 10:45:51 GMT 1
The manager chooses the tactics, which dictate the physical/technical attributes of the players he needs. The DoF uses his network to identify potential players. The analytics people assess the physical/technical attributes of those players to see whether they fit the mould.
What the analytics people can't assess is a player's personality/temperament. For that, either the manager or the DoF taps into their contacts to find out what the player is like behind the scenes. It's the same as any employer trying to distinguish between similar CVs - you see if you know anyone who knows that candidate and, if so, you pick up the phone and ask them what they're like.
First season we sign a lot of players from Germany - I suspect that Wagner (whose playing and coaching career was primarily in Germany) got in touch with a few contacts to ask what they are like. The result is that we sign players who are great on and off the pitch.
Second season we move away from German players, so I suspect it was Moss tapping into his contacts to see what the players signed from abroad are "really" like. I think Depoitre is an example of this.
Third season (and second half of second season), we don't have a DoF and the majority of players are signed from places where I suspect nobody had any contacts. The result is we sign on the basis of attributes (I suspect, bluntly, "we need pace in the team") with little idea of what those players are like on the training ground/behind the scenes.
Irrespective of his job title (99% of job titles are meaningless anyway), blaming the analytics guy for not identifying players with the right attitude is like blaming a builder for not designing the building properly. The fault lies either with the person setting the spec for the type of player they want, or with the person who failed to bring in a DoF with the necessary contacts to do the job properly.
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