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Post by Larry David on Jan 3, 2020 19:36:02 GMT 1
What I don't understand is why the tool downers have not been immediately shipped out on January 1st. It would show intent and get fans on board. Yes I know it is January 3rd but all we have managed is to get a player who hasn't played for us out on loan...not even fully off the books. What have Webb and Hodgkinson been up to since the debacle of the closure of the previous window. Early business here is crucial to our survival in this division and if we leave it late it will be a spectacular disaster. He made the right call appointing Cowley's...he can't fuck this window up. You should send your CV. You've obviously got a gift if you could have got the "tool downers" out on 1st January. I'm sure David Webb would welcome his life being simplified It's not like the downed tools last week tho is it. This has been an issue for months. We will never recoup what we paid so losses need to be cut |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 19:40:30 GMT 1
What worries me is as much as I believe the Cowleys are fighters, they're not used to losing and this many things going against them what with the want aways and injuries. A poor window or not enough backing could be enough to see them cut their losses and walk away. Considering the substantial salary they will be on i'm not sure that would make sense.  |
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 3, 2020 19:42:34 GMT 1
What worries me is as much as I believe the Cowleys are fighters, they're not used to losing and this many things going against them what with the want aways and injuries. A poor window or not enough backing could be enough to see them cut their losses and walk away. Considering the substantial salary they will be on i'm not sure that would make sense. They strike me as being more about trust and values than money. |
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Post by willo on Jan 3, 2020 19:42:47 GMT 1
What’s Lampard got to do with a Bristol City player going to Swansea? Ahhh... true.. forgot he signed for them. Brewster is in the squad for the game against Everton apparently according to klopp so it's unlikely to be him either. Jack Clark maybe, Izzy Brown? You informed everyone on here earlier 2 incoming today. Not only was that not correct but you’re now clutching at straws per above. You literally have no more idea than virtually anyone else on here, maynardblue and cameo aside. Give up pal, you’re making yourself look a complete muppet. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 3, 2020 19:43:17 GMT 1
You should send your CV. You've obviously got a gift if you could have got the "tool downers" out on 1st January. I'm sure David Webb would welcome his life being simplified It's not like the downed tools last week tho is it. This has been an issue for months. We will never recoup what we paid so losses need to be cut We may well have had lots of enquiries for some of our more expensive players, on speaking with their agents they may still be laughing their bollox off on hearing the wage demands? The fuckers are being overpaid to do nothing, they were doing nothing much on the pitch and have made themselves much less desirable to anyone else. It's happened before with other teams dropping out of the top division and you know what?, it will happen again. The common denominator in our last 18 month debacle is some of the c$nts wearing the fucking shirt without any self pride. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 3, 2020 19:45:02 GMT 1
What’s with this telling players they aren’t playing again, more importantly telling the whole world? This tactic must have cost us 20 million at a guess. After years of spending every pound i had to spare supporting this club it breaks my heart. When you look at how much hard work is involved for the club to generate say ONE Million pounds through either Club shop / Commercial income or even Season Card sales, it must be soul destroying for those involved to see such enormous sums literally dropping off the clubs balance sheet, almost certainly never to return. We were very very careless with our premier league money. We lost sight of how hard it is to earn income and wasted it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 19:45:32 GMT 1
You should send your CV. You've obviously got a gift if you could have got the "tool downers" out on 1st January. I'm sure David Webb would welcome his life being simplified It's not like the downed tools last week tho is it. This has been an issue for months. We will never recoup what we paid so losses need to be cut Maynard nailed it...Greed. They won't go unless their terms are met! |
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Post by linson on Jan 3, 2020 19:46:35 GMT 1
When you look at how much hard work is involved for the club to generate say ONE Million pounds through either Club shop / Commercial income or even Season Card sales, it must be soul destroying for those involved to see such enormous sums literally dropping off the clubs balance sheet, almost certainly never to return. We were very very careless with our premier league money. We lost sight of his hard income into earned wasted it. The amount of money wasted and poor transfer business is nothing short of scandalous, Cowley's said as much in their last interview |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 19:48:41 GMT 1
Considering the substantial salary they will be on i'm not sure that would make sense. They strike me as being more about trust and values than money. And I see no reason why they wouldn't trust the Chairman. They have full involvement in transfer dealings don't forget and will be fully aware of budgets. |
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Post by benhomly on Jan 3, 2020 19:50:04 GMT 1
When you look at how much hard work is involved for the club to generate say ONE Million pounds through either Club shop / Commercial income or even Season Card sales, it must be soul destroying for those involved to see such enormous sums literally dropping off the clubs balance sheet, almost certainly never to return. We were very very careless with our premier league money. We lost sight of his hard income into earned wasted it. I sometimes think I speak a different language to everybody else  |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jan 3, 2020 19:53:13 GMT 1
You should send your CV. You've obviously got a gift if you could have got the "tool downers" out on 1st January. I'm sure David Webb would welcome his life being simplified It's not like the downed tools last week tho is it. This has been an issue for months. We will never recoup what we paid so losses need to be cut Make a sensible suggestion as to how you would have shipped these guys out on January 1st. You cannot simply say - see you fellas, hope you find a new club, as we would end up having to pay them their entire salary to the end of the contract period. They are not pieces of garbage to be thrown out, you need another club to require them. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Jan 3, 2020 19:54:47 GMT 1
What I don't understand is why the tool downers have not been immediately shipped out on January 1st. It would show intent and get fans on board. Yes I know it is January 3rd but all we have managed is to get a player who hasn't played for us out on loan...not even fully off the books. What have Webb and Hodgkinson been up to since the debacle of the closure of the previous window. Early business here is crucial to our survival in this division and if we leave it late it will be a spectacular disaster. He made the right call appointing Cowley's...he can't fuck this window up. I know it's frustrating but I think you're being a bit unfair. Getting people out of the door is difficult. It takes 3 to tango. The agents often advise their clients to hang on as long as possible for silly season last week of the window. We can't physically make them go they're under contract. Believe me we've been working extremely hard to shift them...we need a right Powerful enema. |
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jan 3, 2020 19:55:34 GMT 1
What I don't understand is why the tool downers have not been immediately shipped out on January 1st. It would show intent and get fans on board. Yes I know it is January 3rd but all we have managed is to get a player who hasn't played for us out on loan...not even fully off the books. What have Webb and Hodgkinson been up to since the debacle of the closure of the previous window. Early business here is crucial to our survival in this division and if we leave it late it will be a spectacular disaster. He made the right call appointing Cowley's...he can't fuck this window up. We'd all like to see the back of the "downtoolers" I posted the other day I'd regard getting rid of the 5 ( or 6 with Pritchard) without any replacements as a good January window - of course I would like to see some incoming as well but we need to be rid of these. However, sadly, they hold the Aces, all they need to do is report for training and they are entitled to their wages, but while in for training they could ( not saying they do because I don't know) be a disruptive influence on the rest of the squad. Club X could make an offer for player Y that we would accept but if the wages are down, or it's only 3 years and he wants 4 we can not force him. The only certain way to get them out on Jan. 1st would be to offer them a free transfer and pay up the remainder of their contract, that doesn't give Danny Cowley much scope with potential replacements! I'm sure behind the scenes a lot if work is being carried out to try and recoup some of the transfer fees paid out but it's not going to be easy - remember Rodwell at Sunderland, £60k a week, not playing for the 3rd Div. club and turning down loan moves to teams like PSV Eindhoven. The anger is wasted at the players, it is now commonplace in English football for me the blame needs to be laid at the door of whoever signed them, when David Wagner first joined us he had a fantastic hit rate with new players, some were not the best players we've ever had but in general they were all "good eggs" it was team spirit and camaraderie as much as anything that got us to the PL - sadly it's the exact opposite that took us back to the Championship. The Cowley brothers are working hard to restore that aspect to our club. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 19:57:01 GMT 1
We were very very careless with our premier league money. We lost sight of his hard income into earned wasted it. I sometimes think I speak a different language to everybody else |
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Post by linson on Jan 3, 2020 19:57:31 GMT 1
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 3, 2020 20:01:10 GMT 1
They strike me as being more about trust and values than money. And I see no reason why they wouldn't trust the Chairman. They have full involvement in transfer dealings don't forget and will be fully aware of budgets. I hope you're right but we also thought Hoyle and Wagner had the perfect working relationship but apparently not. |
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Post by dezzly on Jan 3, 2020 20:08:35 GMT 1
We've been screwed over by a prem manager this afternoon. Gutting. We're now considering a move for szmodics. His agent has been pushing him to us for months but we had other options. Danny now considering him a decent option in light of today and Pritchard situation. Is it most likely we will be looking well into next week before anyone coming in do you think then? |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 3, 2020 20:09:06 GMT 1
See Dowells been relocated to Wigan from Derby, presumably we were no longer interested in him.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 3, 2020 20:12:00 GMT 1
We were very very careless with our premier league money. We lost sight of his hard income into earned wasted it. I sometimes think I speak a different language to everybody else I clearly am... what the fuck was that all about. I haven't had a drink for a week either.  |
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Post by townrwe on Jan 3, 2020 20:13:45 GMT 1
See Dowells been relocated to Wigan from Derby, presumably we were no longer interested in him. Different recruitment team now. Webb and Cowleys rather than Seiwert and Winter. If we are interested in largely the same players then it really is time to be worried. |
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Post by Dan on Jan 3, 2020 20:20:02 GMT 1
Regarding Szmodics it's worth noting that Cowleys have worked with him before. They took him on loan from Colchester when they were at Braintree....
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jan 3, 2020 20:26:46 GMT 1
Considering the substantial salary they will be on i'm not sure that would make sense. They strike me as being more about trust and values than money. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn’t exist |
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Post by fiatlux on Jan 3, 2020 20:28:16 GMT 1
See Dowells been relocated to Wigan from Derby, presumably we were no longer interested in him. Different recruitment team now. Webb and Cowleys rather than Seiwert and Winter. Webb ? 😳 |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 3, 2020 20:29:12 GMT 1
Regarding Szmodics it's worth noting that Cowleys have worked with him before. They took him on loan from Colchester when they were at Braintree.... He also bagged 2 goals against Lincoln last season, saying that so did Reece Brown. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 20:32:04 GMT 1
And I see no reason why they wouldn't trust the Chairman. They have full involvement in transfer dealings don't forget and will be fully aware of budgets. I hope you're right but we also thought Hoyle and Wagner had the perfect working relationship but apparently not. It seems that Wagner didn't have the overall control that the Cowleys' wanted. Managers not Head Coach. |
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Post by specialun on Jan 3, 2020 20:36:25 GMT 1
Never mind 3 days into the transfer window... we’ve had since the end of the last shambles of a window when it was obvious we had a squad nowhere near good enough and in need of vast improvement in January
Even those on here who were blinded by too much sun / sangria / rose tinted specs thinking we had a good squad could see this was not the case by mid August
I will honestly never know why there was so much unfounded / blinded optimism on here about signing a full back who in his mid 20s had played 100+ games in the German 4-8th division, a conference attacker, a league 2 midfielder and a centre half who had managed no more than on ave 20 games a season for three years....
The result was just as bad a window than the previous summer one - clearly far less damaging financially but it should also have been a much easier one to succeed / avoid the shambles we got given we were stepping down / to attract talent etc
It was madness from those at the top to go into the transfer window without a DOF / HOF operations - I’m still not clear if this decision was Hoyle, Hodgkinson or both. Remember the last one left way back in January
Only we could employ a HOF operations to start days after a window shut
Anyway he’s here now... he’s had since August so I’d expect some movement in shortly
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 3, 2020 20:38:36 GMT 1
All this rubbish about we're only 3 days in to the window etc... We've known for a painfully long time now that most of the players we have aren't good enough either mentally, physically or talent-wise. Any monkey can react to something but being proactive is what being a professional is all about. The amount of money in players agents is staggering and they should have been alerted to potential availability months ago meaning on day 1 we should have been good to go for ins and outs. Anything less than that is unprofessional IMO. Obviously there are other variables but I'm absolutely shocked that the Cowley's have been slating the squad depth for months and we haven't got somebody in. 13 first teamers he said and a game against Southampton means one of two things to me - play the first team and risk injuries, or play the kids and get embarrassed yet again. [/quote “Obviously there are other variables” go back to this thought you had and start this post again. |
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 3, 2020 20:57:52 GMT 1
I hope you're right but we also thought Hoyle and Wagner had the perfect working relationship but apparently not. It seems that Wagner didn't have the overall control that the Cowleys' wanted. Managers not Head Coach. We don't know they're guaranteed to get that, that being my initial worry. It's a pointless discussion as none of us know what's going on behind the scenes just like we didn't just over a year ago with a chairman that most fans trusted. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2020 21:04:41 GMT 1
It seems that Wagner didn't have the overall control that the Cowleys' wanted. Managers not Head Coach. We don't know they're guaranteed to get that, that being my initial worry. It's a pointless discussion as none of us know what's going on behind the scenes just like we didn't just over a year ago with a chairman that most fans trusted. Well if the Chairman has reneged on their agreement, and the Cowleys' are all about trust and value, there will shortly be a parting of the ways. Doubt that. |
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 3, 2020 21:21:31 GMT 1
We don't know they're guaranteed to get that, that being my initial worry. It's a pointless discussion as none of us know what's going on behind the scenes just like we didn't just over a year ago with a chairman that most fans trusted. Well if the Chairman has reneged on their agreement, and the Cowleys' are all about trust and value, there will shortly be a parting of the ways. Doubt that. Which is exactly what I first suggested. Let's hope not. |
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