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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 13, 2020 23:09:09 GMT 1
This is the thing he looks like he 'might' create something but never really does, he was marauding up the pitch at times last night but at the key moment to make the right pass he either makes the wrong pass, loses the ball or just keeps hold of it too long. As pointed out his most yelling contributions have come from the bench. "Looks like he might" is still better than "never look like they might" which describes the rest bar Smith Rowe Well yeah but as Ted points out the bar is pretty low anyway. I'll be honest I'm still baffled how we're in this mess in the first place. Whereas Bacuna is not in the Mbenza and Diakhaby bracket, but he does go in to average to disappointing bracket.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2020 23:11:36 GMT 1
"Looks like he might" is still better than "never look like they might" which describes the rest bar Smith Rowe Well yeah but as Ted points out the bar is pretty low anyway. I'll be honest I'm still baffled how we're in this mess in the first place. Whereas Bacuna is not in the Mbenza and Diakhaby bracket, but he does go in to average to disappointing bracket. If he's average to disappointing I'd hate to think where you rate the rest of them
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 13, 2020 23:20:31 GMT 1
Well yeah but as Ted points out the bar is pretty low anyway. I'll be honest I'm still baffled how we're in this mess in the first place. Whereas Bacuna is not in the Mbenza and Diakhaby bracket, but he does go in to average to disappointing bracket. If he's average to disappointing I'd hate to think where you rate the rest of them You're entitled to your opinion. He's a luxury player. He can't be trusted in a relegation fight. That's my opinion. If you disagree that's all good. I really don't think it's helpful when discussing ONE PARTICULAR PLAYER to instantly want to talk about others.. A bit like in the Kachunga thread
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 13, 2020 23:48:56 GMT 1
Well yeah but as Ted points out the bar is pretty low anyway. I'll be honest I'm still baffled how we're in this mess in the first place. Whereas Bacuna is not in the Mbenza and Diakhaby bracket, but he does go in to average to disappointing bracket. If he's average to disappointing I'd hate to think where you rate the rest of them Very little to be honest.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 14, 2020 0:07:00 GMT 1
In Bacuna's defence it can't help that he has been asked to full so many positions. His flexibility in that respect may end up an albatross. Its difficult to know what his best position is though tbh
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Post by explorer on Feb 14, 2020 9:03:05 GMT 1
What did Lossl do wrong, he hadn't a prayer with any of the goals, hardly had a save to make and caught crosses ? watch the goals again. Down on the floor for the first, second one straight through him, six foot inside the far post, down way too soon and should have been a goal(poor attempt), poor tip over from 35 yards when he was a metre off his line, all still in first half, lost in no mans land for the 3rd. Apart from that he had a blinder. Any one on one favours the attacker, the second was well hit from close range (and should have been closed down by Kachunga who seems more interested in scuffling with his man than defending properly) and he saved the shot before the third and got unlucky with the rebound. The others you mention - saved them didn’t he? Not sure what more you want from him than that? As for Bacuna...love him, but he does my head in at times.
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Post by Matt1908 on Feb 14, 2020 9:22:45 GMT 1
I think he will be best deployed at right back in the future, especially if our two holding midfielders are dropping in to cover the fullbacks as O'Brien did for Toffolo all night on Weds
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 14, 2020 9:24:33 GMT 1
Fine let's play with a team full of Hoggs and O'Briens then, steady and creatively non existent. You'd rather have Bacuna in this relegation struggle than Hogg and more importantly o Brien? ( a Premier league player in waiting). I'm gobsmacked. Play 10 bacunas and we are league one mate We only play one Bacuna. The podcast? Eh? Who are chicken and hartric? LOB and ESR were the only other standouts I agree with you there. Bacuna was up there with them. Well I'm right and your wrong. But if you feel the opposite then you're entitled to that. Tons of talent. So much talent. To be a top footballer talent isn't enough I'm afraid. First 15 yesterday he was on course for an 8. Then he fizzled out. As he does. Most of his most notable contributions have been off the bench. A career is too short he needs to cut down on the off the field stuff and he will play regularly in the Prem. If he carries on as he is he is lower championship What off the field stuff? (Genuine question btw.)
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 14, 2020 9:47:30 GMT 1
1 of course there is only one. What I'm saying is that successful teams tens not to have players who blow so hot and cold. With questionable resolve in a battle
2 it's out there in the public domain. Danny Cowley referenced it in a press conference in january
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Post by mmmmmmbenza on Feb 14, 2020 9:58:12 GMT 1
His girlfriend and young child have moved back to Holland.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2020 10:08:47 GMT 1
1 of course there is only one. What I'm saying is that successful teams tens not to have players who blow so hot and cold. With questionable resolve in a battle 2 it's out there in the public domain. Danny Cowley referenced it in a press conference in january So if we leave Bacuna out that means the only player in the team who is likely to create anything is 19 and only played about 10 first team games, blows hot and cold and in a battle appears, so far, to get bullied and stay down afterwards. Can you say what Cowley said as I don't remember it ?
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Feb 14, 2020 10:56:34 GMT 1
I mentioned earlier about the probability of Bacuna trying too hard against Cardiff because of his brother's presence. I also wonder whether the new wonderkid (ESR) on the block is also having an effect on Bacuna in the same way. i.e he's trying to prove something and pushing his ability too far, into a zone where he makes more mistakes. If it is then I'm sure DC can easily address the problem by having a friendly chat with him.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 14, 2020 15:01:07 GMT 1
Last night's performance was odd. It was almost as though he was trying too hard. My theory for what it's worth is that it may have been affected by his brother's presence and that he had something to prove. And he was still head and shoulders above any other Town player Lol. His bother came on as a sub late in the game.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 14, 2020 15:07:37 GMT 1
His best position is CAM but he can’t play there because he gives it away too much. Can’t play wing because he can’t run down the line and can’t cross it. Shite at full back. Admiration his attitude and dedication is the only thing I can offer, at present. He also tries to do something with the ball, which is nice, but usually pointless because he makes the wrong choice 99%. On WednesdaY, in first half, there was a simple ball out to the left to an on rushing Toffolo, In space, and he turned back to the right and tried threading an impossible ball through to Mounie (I think) who wasn’t even running anyway. Seems to be on a different length to everyone else, and would maybe be better in a decent team next year, if he hasn’t gone back to Holland.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2020 15:16:58 GMT 1
His best position is CAM but he can’t play there because he gives it away too much. Can’t play wing because he can’t run down the line and can’t cross it. Shite at full back. Admiration his attitude and dedication is the only thing I can offer, at present. He also tries to do something with the ball, which is nice, but usually pointless because he makes the wrong choice 99%. On WednesdaY, in first half, there was a simple ball out to the left to an on rushing Toffolo, In space, and he turned back to the right and tried threading an impossible ball through to Mounie (I think) who wasn’t even running anyway. Seems to be on a different length to everyone else, and would maybe be better in a decent team next year, if he hasn’t gone back to Holland. We've played someone on the other wing that can't run or cross near on all season. He's the only midfielder that ever looks like scoring and he's the only midfielder that ever looks like getting an assist.
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Post by ldotm on Feb 14, 2020 16:58:47 GMT 1
His best position is CAM but he can’t play there because he gives it away too much. Can’t play wing because he can’t run down the line and can’t cross it. Shite at full back. Admiration his attitude and dedication is the only thing I can offer, at present. He also tries to do something with the ball, which is nice, but usually pointless because he makes the wrong choice 99%. On WednesdaY, in first half, there was a simple ball out to the left to an on rushing Toffolo, In space, and he turned back to the right and tried threading an impossible ball through to Mounie (I think) who wasn’t even running anyway. Seems to be on a different length to everyone else, and would maybe be better in a decent team next year, if he hasn’t gone back to Holland. Alright I’ll bite.. just off the top of my head quickly. QPR, who did the skill and played the ball to Toffolo for the goal? Fulham - who made the darting run to set up the first goal? Just two examples of the the last few games, the impact he has from nothing. Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it winds me up that Town fans just focus on every negative.. he could do 7 decisions right and 2 wrong and they’d rather discuss the two things he does wrong. I’m sounding like a broken record, but I just don’t understand for the life of me how fans of the last few years, who have had to watch minimal chances and goals now complain at a young lad who takes risks and is positive in his thinking, that doesn’t always execute it correctly. He can score goals, a wide range of passing, hold the ball up, beat a man, get stuck in. He has all the attributes to be a top player and in the end it’ll come down to consistency on how far he goes. At 22, this can be nurtured, not by getting on his back and moaning when he isn’t bang on the money all the time.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 14, 2020 17:13:44 GMT 1
His best position is CAM but he can’t play there because he gives it away too much. Can’t play wing because he can’t run down the line and can’t cross it. Shite at full back. Admiration his attitude and dedication is the only thing I can offer, at present. He also tries to do something with the ball, which is nice, but usually pointless because he makes the wrong choice 99%. On WednesdaY, in first half, there was a simple ball out to the left to an on rushing Toffolo, In space, and he turned back to the right and tried threading an impossible ball through to Mounie (I think) who wasn’t even running anyway. Seems to be on a different length to everyone else, and would maybe be better in a decent team next year, if he hasn’t gone back to Holland. Alright I’ll bite.. just off the top of my head quickly. QPR, who did the skill and played the ball to Toffolo for the goal? Fulham - who made the darting run to set up the first goal? Just two examples of the the last few games, the impact he has from nothing. Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it winds me up that Town fans just focus on every negative.. he could do 7 decisions right and 2 wrong and they’d rather discuss the two things he does wrong. I’m sounding like a broken record, but I just don’t understand for the life of me how fans of the last few years, who have had to watch minimal chances and goals now complain at a young lad who takes risks and is positive in his thinking, that doesn’t always execute it correctly. He can score goals, a wide range of passing, hold the ball up, beat a man, get stuck in. He has all the attributes to be a top player and in the end it’ll come down to consistency on how far he goes. At 22, this can be nurtured, not by getting on his back and moaning when he isn’t bang on the money all the time. This is a massive problem down at Town, trying to nurture too many players, we need players who are bang on the money.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Feb 14, 2020 17:14:57 GMT 1
And he was still head and shoulders above any other Town player Lol. His bother came on as a sub late in the game. You do realise he was there though. In the dug out. With the other subs. Watching.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 14, 2020 17:42:57 GMT 1
His best position is CAM but he can’t play there because he gives it away too much. Can’t play wing because he can’t run down the line and can’t cross it. Shite at full back. Admiration his attitude and dedication is the only thing I can offer, at present. He also tries to do something with the ball, which is nice, but usually pointless because he makes the wrong choice 99%. On WednesdaY, in first half, there was a simple ball out to the left to an on rushing Toffolo, In space, and he turned back to the right and tried threading an impossible ball through to Mounie (I think) who wasn’t even running anyway. Seems to be on a different length to everyone else, and would maybe be better in a decent team next year, if he hasn’t gone back to Holland. Alright I’ll bite.. just off the top of my head quickly. QPR, who did the skill and played the ball to Toffolo for the goal? Fulham - who made the darting run to set up the first goal? Just two examples of the the last few games, the impact he has from nothing. Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it winds me up that Town fans just focus on every negative.. he could do 7 decisions right and 2 wrong and they’d rather discuss the two things he does wrong. I’m sounding like a broken record, but I just don’t understand for the life of me how fans of the last few years, who have had to watch minimal chances and goals now complain at a young lad who takes risks and is positive in his thinking, that doesn’t always execute it correctly. He can score goals, a wide range of passing, hold the ball up, beat a man, get stuck in. He has all the attributes to be a top player and in the end it’ll come down to consistency on how far he goes. At 22, this can be nurtured, not by getting on his back and moaning when he isn’t bang on the money all the time. Talking about him on social media, isn't moaning at him to be fair. It's a debate between fans.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2020 17:43:15 GMT 1
His best position is CAM but he can’t play there because he gives it away too much. Can’t play wing because he can’t run down the line and can’t cross it. Shite at full back. Admiration his attitude and dedication is the only thing I can offer, at present. He also tries to do something with the ball, which is nice, but usually pointless because he makes the wrong choice 99%. On WednesdaY, in first half, there was a simple ball out to the left to an on rushing Toffolo, In space, and he turned back to the right and tried threading an impossible ball through to Mounie (I think) who wasn’t even running anyway. Seems to be on a different length to everyone else, and would maybe be better in a decent team next year, if he hasn’t gone back to Holland. Alright I’ll bite.. just off the top of my head quickly. QPR, who did the skill and played the ball to Toffolo for the goal? Fulham - who made the darting run to set up the first goal? Just two examples of the the last few games, the impact he has from nothing. Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it winds me up that Town fans just focus on every negative.. he could do 7 decisions right and 2 wrong and they’d rather discuss the two things he does wrong. I’m sounding like a broken record, but I just don’t understand for the life of me how fans of the last few years, who have had to watch minimal chances and goals now complain at a young lad who takes risks and is positive in his thinking, that doesn’t always execute it correctly. He can score goals, a wide range of passing, hold the ball up, beat a man, get stuck in. He has all the attributes to be a top player and in the end it’ll come down to consistency on how far he goes. At 22, this can be nurtured, not by getting on his back and moaning when he isn’t bang on the money all the time. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 14, 2020 17:44:33 GMT 1
Lol. His bother came on as a sub late in the game. You do realise he was there though. In the dug out. With the other subs. Watching. WOW. We've got one heck of a player on our hands if he struggles to play well because his brothers watching!!! ROFL They played against each other for 10 minutes at Cardiff too by the way. Our Bacuna got booked for a ridiculously late dreadful needless tackle, on his brother.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2020 17:44:52 GMT 1
Alright I’ll bite.. just off the top of my head quickly. QPR, who did the skill and played the ball to Toffolo for the goal? Fulham - who made the darting run to set up the first goal? Just two examples of the the last few games, the impact he has from nothing. Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it winds me up that Town fans just focus on every negative.. he could do 7 decisions right and 2 wrong and they’d rather discuss the two things he does wrong. I’m sounding like a broken record, but I just don’t understand for the life of me how fans of the last few years, who have had to watch minimal chances and goals now complain at a young lad who takes risks and is positive in his thinking, that doesn’t always execute it correctly. He can score goals, a wide range of passing, hold the ball up, beat a man, get stuck in. He has all the attributes to be a top player and in the end it’ll come down to consistency on how far he goes. At 22, this can be nurtured, not by getting on his back and moaning when he isn’t bang on the money all the time. This is a massive problem down at Town, trying to nurture too many players, we need players who are bang on the money. We do, we only have a couple
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 14, 2020 17:45:50 GMT 1
His best position is CAM but he can’t play there because he gives it away too much. Can’t play wing because he can’t run down the line and can’t cross it. Shite at full back. Admiration his attitude and dedication is the only thing I can offer, at present. He also tries to do something with the ball, which is nice, but usually pointless because he makes the wrong choice 99%. On WednesdaY, in first half, there was a simple ball out to the left to an on rushing Toffolo, In space, and he turned back to the right and tried threading an impossible ball through to Mounie (I think) who wasn’t even running anyway. Seems to be on a different length to everyone else, and would maybe be better in a decent team next year, if he hasn’t gone back to Holland. Alright I’ll bite.. just off the top of my head quickly. QPR, who did the skill and played the ball to Toffolo for the goal? Fulham - who made the darting run to set up the first goal? Just two examples of the the last few games, the impact he has from nothing. Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it winds me up that Town fans just focus on every negative.. he could do 7 decisions right and 2 wrong and they’d rather discuss the two things he does wrong. I’m sounding like a broken record, but I just don’t understand for the life of me how fans of the last few years, who have had to watch minimal chances and goals now complain at a young lad who takes risks and is positive in his thinking, that doesn’t always execute it correctly. He can score goals, a wide range of passing, hold the ball up, beat a man, get stuck in. He has all the attributes to be a top player and in the end it’ll come down to consistency on how far he goes. At 22, this can be nurtured, not by getting on his back and moaning when he isn’t bang on the money all the time. There's hundreds of examples of him being shite aswell? My mates a Fulham fan and he couldn't believe how shit he was, in both games we played against them. He simply doesn't know how to play football.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2020 17:45:58 GMT 1
You do realise he was there though. In the dug out. With the other subs. Watching. WOW. We've got one heck of a player on our hands if he struggles to play well because his brothers watching!!! ROFL They played against each other for 10 minutes at Cardiff too by the way. Our Bacuna got booked for a ridiculously late dreadful needless tackle, on his brother. Struggles to play well ? The lad that got MoM ?
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2020 17:50:33 GMT 1
Alright I’ll bite.. just off the top of my head quickly. QPR, who did the skill and played the ball to Toffolo for the goal? Fulham - who made the darting run to set up the first goal? Just two examples of the the last few games, the impact he has from nothing. Nobody is saying he’s perfect but it winds me up that Town fans just focus on every negative.. he could do 7 decisions right and 2 wrong and they’d rather discuss the two things he does wrong. I’m sounding like a broken record, but I just don’t understand for the life of me how fans of the last few years, who have had to watch minimal chances and goals now complain at a young lad who takes risks and is positive in his thinking, that doesn’t always execute it correctly. He can score goals, a wide range of passing, hold the ball up, beat a man, get stuck in. He has all the attributes to be a top player and in the end it’ll come down to consistency on how far he goes. At 22, this can be nurtured, not by getting on his back and moaning when he isn’t bang on the money all the time. There's hundreds of examples of him being shite aswell? My mates a Fulham fan and he couldn't believe how shit he was, in both games we played against them. He simply doesn't know how to play football. How shit he was ? Your Fulham supporting mate must be a fuckwit, he watched his team go from 3 up to hanging on and yet he's still able to give a run down of our players. He was playing out of position and yet still set up both goals. Nevermind let's drop him for you and play with Hogg, Chalobah and O'Brien and see how many frigging chances we make then.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 14, 2020 19:16:48 GMT 1
I wasn’t at the Away Fulham game but I was at the Fulham home game where he crossed the ball for Mitrovic to head home.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2020 19:30:10 GMT 1
I wasn’t at the Away Fulham game but I was at the Fulham home game where he crossed the ball for Mitrovic to head home. As someone else has said, you're happy to talk about a sliced clearance that led to Elphick being outjumped by someone smaller to score but you don't want to know about the 2 he set up in the return game. Do you only accept that we beat Hull 1-0 at home because goals and assists by Bacuna don't register with you ?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 14, 2020 19:43:59 GMT 1
1 of course there is only one. What I'm saying is that successful teams tens not to have players who blow so hot and cold. With questionable resolve in a battle 2 it's out there in the public domain. Danny Cowley referenced it in a press conference in january So if we leave Bacuna out that means the only player in the team who is likely to create anything is 19 and only played about 10 first team games, blows hot and cold and in a battle appears, so far, to get bullied and stay down afterwards. Can you say what Cowley said as I don't remember it ? A if you say so B Not word for word no But he did say it. If you go through the press conferences since Xmas you'll find it. I can't be bothered though tbh
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 14, 2020 20:38:07 GMT 1
So if we leave Bacuna out that means the only player in the team who is likely to create anything is 19 and only played about 10 first team games, blows hot and cold and in a battle appears, so far, to get bullied and stay down afterwards. Can you say what Cowley said as I don't remember it ? A if you say so B Not word for word no But he did say it. If you go through the press conferences since Xmas you'll find it. I can't be bothered though tbh A) So who else is creative, Bacunas presumably got more assists than the rest of the midfield put together. B) I can't be bothered either
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Feb 14, 2020 20:40:12 GMT 1
I wasn’t at the Away Fulham game but I was at the Fulham home game where he crossed the ball for Mitrovic to head home. As someone else has said, you're happy to talk about a sliced clearance that led to Elphick being outjumped by someone smaller to score but you don't want to know about the 2 he set up in the return game. Do you only accept that we beat Hull 1-0 at home because goals and assists by Bacuna don't register with you ? Come on mate, mitrovic one of The best headers of a ball in the premier league never mind championship To try and swing the huge Bacuna error onto Elpick is ridiculous
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