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Post by Metch on Feb 13, 2020 8:26:36 GMT 1
Where do we play him? Brilliant at times, makes mistakes, anonymous at times. Is he a team player? Is he destined to just play cameos as a sub? The Cowleys must be pulling their hair out with him but not sure he has a long term future with us unless they can find that role for him.
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Post by Ross83 on Feb 13, 2020 8:34:17 GMT 1
Seems a little unfair to pick out Bacuna from last night or even lately. Yes he makes mistakes but very much a team player, switched positions to help us when we were low on numbers, runs into the ground and him and ESR were amongst the standout performers last night, especially first half.
His skill, control, passing and speed of thought is fantastic at times. He's still a young developing player.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 13, 2020 8:37:07 GMT 1
Got to be honest. I’m just not sure about him. He possesses lots of skill without question but has a very cavalier approach. When it doesn’t come off for him he often surrenders possession cheaply and this happened on several occasions last night.
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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 13, 2020 8:39:07 GMT 1
Seems a little unfair to pick out Bacuna from last night or even lately. Yes he makes mistakes but very much a team player, switched positions to help us when we were low on numbers, runs into the ground and him and ESR were amongst the standout performers last night, especially first half. His skill, control, passing and speed of thought is fantastic at times. He's still a young developing player. My man of the match. The double tackle just before half time - terrific. Cardiff did their homework and crowded him out every time he got near the penalty area.
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Post by Ross83 on Feb 13, 2020 8:39:56 GMT 1
Got to be honest. I’m just not sure about him. He possesses lots of skill without question but has a very cavalier approach. When it doesn’t come off for him he often surrenders possession cheaply and this happened on several occasions last night. Not sure that's something I could ever agree with, yes he's naive with the ball at times but it? Did you not see the three tackles in a row to retrieve it from their corner?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 13, 2020 8:40:28 GMT 1
Sorry but the lad is brainless, lacks a footballing brain and makes bad decisions in key areas of the pitch, although that could be levelled at most players down at Town not just him as our collective decision making is crap. He does work hard and has a good motor but more often than not you know when he gets the ball runs with it, he will just lose it cheaply in the end.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 13, 2020 8:53:11 GMT 1
The most talented kid in the squad. And started really brightly yesterday. But I get the feeling he won't play for clubs at the level he feels entitled. And that he will be part of poor squads not good ones. Personally I'd be looking to offload
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Post by ldotm on Feb 13, 2020 9:19:11 GMT 1
Sorry but the lad is brainless, lacks a footballing brain and makes bad decisions in key areas of the pitch, although that could be levelled at most players down at Town not just him as our collective decision making is crap. He does work hard and has a good motor but more often than not you know when he gets the ball runs with it, he will just lose it cheaply in the end. Brainless?! Hahaha priceless. Some of the balls he makes, nobody in the squad could pull off. Inconsistent? Absolutely. Brainless? Give over. The thing is with Bacuna, he’s similar to ESR in the fact that as soon as they get the ball, they want to make things happen, and look to go forward. Is this going to come off all the time?! Absolutely not, especially with their age and playing in a team that’s near the bottom. But one thing we’ve lacked for years is that creativity and spark, someone who’s willing to take risks and make stuff happen and as typical Town fans we get on their back when it doesn’t come off 100% and try drill it out of them. Wake up and smell the coffee. Bacuna will be a PL player or equivalent for the majority of his career, mark my words.
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Post by loumacari on Feb 13, 2020 9:27:38 GMT 1
The answer with Bacuna is to coach enough responsibility into him that he can be a regular starter in central midfield, without smothering his creativity and flair. Got enough ability to be as good as Mooy if he improves his decision making.
People saying he is brainless or doesn’t care is laughable. He’s young and therefore inconsistent.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 13, 2020 9:30:53 GMT 1
The answer with Bacuna is to coach enough responsibility into him that he can be a regular starter in central midfield, without smothering his creativity and flair. Got enough ability to be as good as Mooy if he improves his decision making. People saying he is brainless or doesn’t care is laughable. He’s young and therefore inconsistent. Whilst I said earlier that I’m not sure about him, one thing I have been impressed with is that his discipline has improved noticeably this season. He could have retaliated a few times last night after fouls on him but just walked away.
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Post by ruggedivy on Feb 13, 2020 9:43:54 GMT 1
He is a very good footballer. Still only 22. Has the potential to have a career at the top level but, has to improve the mental side of His game. IMO He would be at His best on the right of a 3 man midfield in a similar mould to Wijhaldum at Liverpool.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Feb 13, 2020 9:47:14 GMT 1
He was the only player who looked like creating anything last night. And it isn’t a one off. The way he gets away from 2 or 3 players is superb, he generally only ever loses the ball when there is more than one player on him, teams double up on him because he has the talent. The lad has loads of talent, still a young player developing in England. Would be gutted if he didn’t stay with us.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 11:04:07 GMT 1
Where do we play him? Brilliant at times, makes mistakes, anonymous at times. Is he a team player? Is he destined to just play cameos as a sub? The Cowleys must be pulling their hair out with him but not sure he has a long term future with us unless they can find that role for him. get of his back because we are a better team with him in than out
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 13, 2020 11:13:58 GMT 1
He is a very good footballer. Still only 22. Has the potential to have a career at the top level but, has to improve the mental side of His game. IMO He would be at His best on the right of a 3 man midfield in a similar mould to Wijhaldum at Liverpool. This is kinda the problem with him for me too. Yes he seems to be able to sort of play anywhere, but his skills would be best utilised as a CM in a 433, with someone behind him. In a 4231 I don't think he has the positional discipline or awareness to play in the 2, and I don't think he's a 10 either, he'd come too deep to get involved. And in either formation his long term future certainly isn't on the flanks. So I'm a bit flummoxed as to what to do with him. I actually think 433 suits O'Brien better as well. Both box to box players.
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Post by Uddersfield on Feb 13, 2020 11:24:22 GMT 1
Needs to play CAM I think, need to play to his strengths which I feel we don't. The lad moves different position every week!
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 13, 2020 11:32:44 GMT 1
As stated by others, he's still only 22.
He's only played just over 100 professional games.
Still learning his trade.
The main issue for me is that he doesn't have a defined role in the team. He can play in the 6, 8 and 10 positions in central midfield, as well as out wide left and Right, plus Right Back....I recon he'd also put the gloves on if we'd used all our 3 subs and the keeper was sent off. So he is a bit of a jack of all trades, master of none at the moment.
Thinking it though, his best position is possibly the 10???
He's not a 6 as he doesn't have the defensive discipline.
He's not an 8 as he doesn't seem to have the wiliness to bust a gut getting back.
So he's probably a 10 as he could come deep, collect the ball and then drive at defences and make something happen.
I'd have him in the 10 with O'Brien the 8 and King at 6 (more forward thinking than Hogg)
Then ESR on the left, KG in the middle and Willock on the right.
Clever play would see ESR and Baccuna rotate.
KG could also come out wide, making space in the middle for ESR, Baccuna and Even O'Brien to drive through the middle, with or without the ball
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 11:35:02 GMT 1
Did some terrific stuff last night but then delivered some poor corners and free kicks which always frustrates fans. Seems to be anyone who pulls a Town shirt on can't take a corner these days!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 11:51:23 GMT 1
Unbelievable that after all the cries of "gerrit forward" last night this guy can be labelled brainless for being one of only two players who attempt to do just that.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Feb 13, 2020 12:20:09 GMT 1
Last night's performance was odd. It was almost as though he was trying too hard. My theory for what it's worth is that it may have been affected by his brother's presence and that he had something to prove.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2020 12:27:50 GMT 1
Last night's performance was odd. It was almost as though he was trying too hard. My theory for what it's worth is that it may have been affected by his brother's presence and that he had something to prove. And he was still head and shoulders above any other Town player
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Post by crux on Feb 13, 2020 12:52:21 GMT 1
Last night's performance was odd. It was almost as though he was trying too hard. My theory for what it's worth is that it may have been affected by his brother's presence and that he had something to prove. And he was still head and shoulders above any other Town player No he wasn't, ESR had a much better game. He needs to learn it's a team game. He has fantastic talent, but no idea when to make a pass to a team mate. I lost count of the number of times he lost the ball by keeping it too long, trying to do too much on his own. I do think having his brother on the opposition may have made him over try to impress. I may switch him to the right hand side and play him in front of Simpson. That will provide cover behind him and allow him to roam.
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 13, 2020 12:53:16 GMT 1
Just didn't come off for him last night. Cardiff knew he was a threat and did a job on him, and the rest of the team. Succeeded in winding him up and putting him off his game. He tried hard but as usual kept the ball until he lost it rather than playing simple balls. At a loss to work out how we can fit him into the team. His tendency to cut inside from so deep makes me think he's never going to be an effective winger. His positive running and sometimes erratic position makes me think he would compromise the team playing in a deep midfield role. He's not quite there defensively to be a right back. Which leaves number 10, which is already inhabited by ESR and eventually Pritchard
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Post by Mav on Feb 13, 2020 13:10:59 GMT 1
Keep him. See where, and if, he fits in with the summer 'ins and outs'.
Three transfer windows was the request(to get a 'Cowley' team in place) with this summer's one being the most important in my view.
Let's let 'em get on with it.
Cheers .... UTT.
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Post by Ross83 on Feb 13, 2020 13:16:42 GMT 1
And he was still head and shoulders above any other Town player No he wasn't, ESR had a much better game. He needs to learn it's a team game. He has fantastic talent, but no idea when to make a pass to a team mate. I lost count of the number of times he lost the ball by keeping it too long, trying to do too much on his own. I do think having his brother on the opposition may have made him over try to impress. I may switch him to the right hand side and play him in front of Simpson. That will provide cover behind him and allow him to roam. It was close between Bacuna and ESR last night, but I'm not sure I blame him for not passing it at times.. Everytime either of them laid it off to either Mounie or Kachunga they either lost it of fluffed it, both poor last night. Mounie's control went outta the window and Kache was back to his anonymous self.
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Post by Metch on Feb 13, 2020 13:31:53 GMT 1
Where do we play him? Brilliant at times, makes mistakes, anonymous at times. Is he a team player? Is he destined to just play cameos as a sub? The Cowleys must be pulling their hair out with him but not sure he has a long term future with us unless they can find that role for him. get of his back because we are a better team with him in than out The intention was not to be on his back but to create a discussion because he is a real enigma. Capable of eyecatching brilliance, basic errors, over committment and under committment. I think he offers a real challenge to the Cowleys to find a role and consistently get the best out of him. I really hope they do.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2020 13:37:20 GMT 1
And he was still head and shoulders above any other Town player No he wasn't, ESR had a much better game. He needs to learn it's a team game. He has fantastic talent, but no idea when to make a pass to a team mate. I lost count of the number of times he lost the ball by keeping it too long, trying to do too much on his own. I do think having his brother on the opposition may have made him over try to impress. I may switch him to the right hand side and play him in front of Simpson. That will provide cover behind him and allow him to roam. I must admit ESR had a great game at running square from right to left then passing it to Bacuna/Toffolo, I'd rather he ran at the opposition but him and Bacca are all we've got creatively. Try Bacca left, ESR right and O'B at 10 with Hogg at 6 and King at 8 ?
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2020 13:39:59 GMT 1
Just didn't come off for him last night. Cardiff knew he was a threat and did a job on him, and the rest of the team. Succeeded in winding him up and putting him off his game. He tried hard but as usual kept the ball until he lost it rather than playing simple balls. At a loss to work out how we can fit him into the team. His tendency to cut inside from so deep makes me think he's never going to be an effective winger. His positive running and sometimes erratic position makes me think he would compromise the team playing in a deep midfield role. He's not quite there defensively to be a right back. Which leaves number 10, which is already inhabited by ESR and eventually Pritchard I'd have Bacca over Pritchard at 10 anyday. Hell, with what Pritchard's provided I'd prefer Hogg at 10 😉
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Post by Headless Chicken on Feb 13, 2020 13:45:49 GMT 1
And he was still head and shoulders above any other Town player No he wasn't, ESR had a much better game. He needs to learn it's a team game. He has fantastic talent, but no idea when to make a pass to a team mate. I lost count of the number of times he lost the ball by keeping it too long, trying to do too much on his own. I do think having his brother on the opposition may have made him over try to impress. I may switch him to the right hand side and play him in front of Simpson. That will provide cover behind him and allow him to roam. I don't think ESR did. He had better moments, but didn't actually do too much, whereas Bacuna was constantly involved and did a lot more defensively. Could've done with O'Brien higher up the pitch first half, another who's closer to being on their wavelength and ability. Appreciate O'Brien was coverring for Tof.
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Post by turbo2 on Feb 13, 2020 13:48:21 GMT 1
so i like bacuna, think he has a lot to offer. But last night he was trying to show off to his brother. Ghosted past the first two men time and time again, only to run into a blind alley and lose the ball after that. Why didn't he make the break, play a simple forward pass then continue? Once you beat a man or two you've generally created some space, to then keep hold of the ball and lose it every time was just selfish. Most frustrating, but atleast he offered something. Lossl, Simpson, Schindler, Stearman, Kachunga, Hogg, Mounie all 2's and 3's out of ten for me
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 13, 2020 14:01:14 GMT 1
so i like bacuna, think he has a lot to offer. But last night he was trying to show off to his brother. Ghosted past the first two men time and time again, only to run into a blind alley and lose the ball after that. Why didn't he make the break, play a simple forward pass then continue? Once you beat a man or two you've generally created some space, to then keep hold of the ball and lose it every time was just selfish. Most frustrating, but atleast he offered something. Lossl, Simpson, Schindler, Stearman, Kachunga, Hogg, Mounie all 2's and 3's out of ten for me What did Lossl do wrong, he hadn't a prayer with any of the goals, hardly had a save to make and caught crosses ?
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