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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 18:11:30 GMT 1
I am struggling to get my head around such large numbers (in the present situation) being allowed into stadiums and the consequences should someone test positive within a few days after. Lets say Town are allowed 6,000. 2,000 in Kilner, 2,000 in Riverside, 1,000 behind each goal. If a supporter subsequently test positive does this mean that under current rules all the supporters in that particular section of the ground will need to self isolate for 14 days. The Kilner in particular has only entry on 2 sides so cannot see how it can be split into lower sections than 1,000 entering from each side. You're outdoors, you're going to be encouraged not to hang around under the stand, food and drink availability will be reduced, and you'll likely be expected to wear a face covering from before going through the turnstile (which will most likely actually be the big open 'exit' gates) through to the point when you take your seat. I should imagine the length of the Kilner will be split into two lanes for going one way or the other. When you do sit down, the names and addresses of the people sitting around you are all known. So if someone does subsequently test, it will be easy to those potentially 'at risk'. If you're not happy with that, which is basically "you're isolated other than the 3 or 4 people within spitting distance of where you're sat, who are all KNOWN people" - then I'd advise you don't buy a season card, and wait until you 'feel safe' (unless you want to pay just for iFollow access). It will be safer and less risky than going to a shopping centre, restaurant or pub - because of that traceability of those you're spending 'uncovered' time with, added to the fact you're outdoors. All good and relevant points but I assume there is still a possibility (albeit minor) that you could be asked to quarantine through attending a football match.
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Post by softboy on Sept 2, 2020 18:19:05 GMT 1
I have bought a season card, I have for an awful long time, that wasn't my issue. If I go into a pub and someone subsequently tests positive within my timeframe all those who attended the pub (inside or outside) have to self isolate. I may not have seen that person, been anywhere near them etc but will have to self isolate. I will take the risk, whatever it is, but feel its a lot more complicated that simply just the people who are sat around me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 18:41:34 GMT 1
I have bought a season card, I have for an awful long time, that wasn't my issue. If I go into a pub and someone subsequently tests positive within my timeframe all those who attended the pub (inside or outside) have to self isolate. I may not have seen that person, been anywhere near them etc but will have to self isolate. I will take the risk, whatever it is, but feel its a lot more complicated that simply just the people who are sat around me. In a very extreme case (impossible/unlikely/not going to happen) a minority of fans could be self isolating, such that there are more available seats than fans. Thus no ballot. Would you be expected to sign a disclaimer re- self isolating
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 19:13:14 GMT 1
You're outdoors, you're going to be encouraged not to hang around under the stand, food and drink availability will be reduced, and you'll likely be expected to wear a face covering from before going through the turnstile (which will most likely actually be the big open 'exit' gates) through to the point when you take your seat. I should imagine the length of the Kilner will be split into two lanes for going one way or the other. When you do sit down, the names and addresses of the people sitting around you are all known. So if someone does subsequently test, it will be easy to those potentially 'at risk'. If you're not happy with that, which is basically "you're isolated other than the 3 or 4 people within spitting distance of where you're sat, who are all KNOWN people" - then I'd advise you don't buy a season card, and wait until you 'feel safe' (unless you want to pay just for iFollow access). It will be safer and less risky than going to a shopping centre, restaurant or pub - because of that traceability of those you're spending 'uncovered' time with, added to the fact you're outdoors. All good and relevant points but I assume there is still a possibility (albeit minor) that you could be asked to quarantine through attending a football match. And if thats a problem for you after weighing up the likelihood and considering the impact then you shouldn't go to a football match, and if thats you then you should definitely avoid a restaurant or pub or shop or school or hairdresser and don't go to work with other people. I don't mean that to be facetious. Some people would suffer more than others if asked to quarantine for a couple of weeks. For me as an individual I'd have close to zero hardship as a result, others could end up losing their livelihood I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 22:45:46 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 2, 2020 23:56:17 GMT 1
Have they described in detail what 'mass' actually means and how they intend to test people who do not wish to be tested??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 10:52:58 GMT 1
Have they described in detail what 'mass' actually means and how they intend to test people who do not wish to be tested?? Relocated to Wales.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 3, 2020 11:08:14 GMT 1
I have bought a season card, I have for an awful long time, that wasn't my issue. If I go into a pub and someone subsequently tests positive within my timeframe all those who attended the pub (inside or outside) have to self isolate. I may not have seen that person, been anywhere near them etc but will have to self isolate. I will take the risk, whatever it is, but feel its a lot more complicated that simply just the people who are sat around me. for me the fact is you are attending a sporting event and you are outside where risk is minimal (otherwise why allow people into outside areas at all). The risk could be mitigated by telling all fans to wear masks, therefore allowing more people (all season ticket holders for example) into the ground, removing the need for a lottery. I do not understand why government has gone the heavy handed route on this.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 3, 2020 20:13:10 GMT 1
I have bought a season card, I have for an awful long time, that wasn't my issue. If I go into a pub and someone subsequently tests positive within my timeframe all those who attended the pub (inside or outside) have to self isolate. I may not have seen that person, been anywhere near them etc but will have to self isolate. I will take the risk, whatever it is, but feel its a lot more complicated that simply just the people who are sat around me. for me the fact is you are attending a sporting event and you are outside where risk is minimal (otherwise why allow people into outside areas at all). The risk could be mitigated by telling all fans to wear masks, therefore allowing more people (all season ticket holders for example) into the ground, removing the need for a lottery. I do not understand why government has gone the heavy handed route on this. They are scared shitless about the economy and everyone's least best friend inflation not far away. Inflation can be good for the poor, their debts reduce in real value.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 3, 2020 21:24:05 GMT 1
for me the fact is you are attending a sporting event and you are outside where risk is minimal (otherwise why allow people into outside areas at all). The risk could be mitigated by telling all fans to wear masks, therefore allowing more people (all season ticket holders for example) into the ground, removing the need for a lottery. I do not understand why government has gone the heavy handed route on this. They are scared shitless about the economy and everyone's least best friend inflation not far away. Inflation can be good for the poor, their debts reduce in real value. Yes that is correct in the sense they should earn more money to pay the debt off but what messes that up is that everything you buy increases in price and the debt you owe becomes bigger as interest rates increase. Pay debt off quickly or inflation could swallow you up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 21:36:52 GMT 1
They are scared shitless about the economy and everyone's least best friend inflation not far away. Inflation can be good for the poor, their debts reduce in real value. Yes that is correct in the sense they should earn more money to pay the debt off but what messes that up is that everything you buy increases in price and the debt you owe becomes bigger as interest rates increase. Pay debt off quickly or inflation could swallow you up. But must unsecured debt (personal loans, car finance) is fixed rate. Interest rate increase doesn't impact it, except to effectively reduce it. Imagine you had a taken a fixed term loan of 200,000,000,000 Marks in 1922 Germany. You could have paid it off for the price of a sandwich by 1923.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 3, 2020 21:50:02 GMT 1
Yes that is correct in the sense they should earn more money to pay the debt off but what messes that up is that everything you buy increases in price and the debt you owe becomes bigger as interest rates increase. Pay debt off quickly or inflation could swallow you up. But must unsecured debt (personal loans, car finance) is fixed rate. Interest rate increase doesn't impact it, except to effectively reduce it. Imagine you had a taken a fixed term loan of 200,000,000,000 Marks in 1922 Germany. You could have paid it off for the price of a sandwich by 1923. Fixed term loans, what about credit cards / store cards,so many people purchase cars now through pcp loans they are only fixed for the short term they then need to get a new loan ( increased rates) or pay the outstanding debt ( by loan - ion increased rates). Also what about secured debt - again short term it’s fixed then I the new rate. Your kidding yourself if you think inflation helps the poor. My parents were paying 15% interest on my house when I was young it crippled the country.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 3, 2020 22:08:46 GMT 1
But must unsecured debt (personal loans, car finance) is fixed rate. Interest rate increase doesn't impact it, except to effectively reduce it. Imagine you had a taken a fixed term loan of 200,000,000,000 Marks in 1922 Germany. You could have paid it off for the price of a sandwich by 1923. Fixed term loans, what about credit cards / store cards,so many people purchase cars now through pcp loans they are only fixed for the short term they then need to get a new loan ( increased rates) or pay the outstanding debt ( by loan - ion increased rates). Also what about secured debt - again short term it’s fixed then I the new rate. Your kidding yourself if you think inflation helps the poor. My parents were paying 15% interest on my house when I was young it crippled the country. And if you rent - rent will fly up
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 4, 2020 1:54:20 GMT 1
I'm less worried about Covid, the club will decide best practice, but I will decide whether to buy and then whether to attend.
I'm more worried that in the ballot I will exchange the brilliant seat I (currently) have for one at pitch level, in the corner, behind the goal in the kissing pissing rain.
Laying awake at 2.00 in the morning worrying about the rest of you guys probably won't help.😭
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Post by tvor on Sept 4, 2020 9:54:25 GMT 1
Surprised Lord Driffield hasn’t started a thread about this but Liverpool has suspended season card sales. Hendo, Klopp, nothing like a European game under the lights at Anfield .... etc, etc, if anyone is missing it. What, no one? Anyway, they’re going for a match by match basis, probably because a much smaller part of their income.
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Post by Dan on Sept 4, 2020 11:31:26 GMT 1
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 4, 2020 11:31:51 GMT 1
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Post by Galpharmer on Sept 4, 2020 11:33:51 GMT 1
So they set a deadline so everybody knew where they stood, as much as they could do, then they extend it?
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Post by Dan on Sept 4, 2020 11:35:57 GMT 1
So they set a deadline so everybody knew where they stood, as much as they could do, then they extend it? “With all the uncertainty that the pandemic has brought – particularly with no firm date on when fans can return to stadia, although October is the hope – the level of support and commitment that Huddersfield Town fans continue to show the Club is truly incredible. “On behalf of the Club, I want to take this opportunity to thank every supporter. “Equally, we’ve had a lot of feedback this week from supporters who are still weighing up whether or not to renew in the current climate. It’s clear that personal circumstances are still changing and that some people are very understandably wanting to leave their decision until they know as much as they can about their situation. “As such, we’ve taken the decision to extend the renewal deadline until Friday 11 September; right before our first home game in the league against Norwich City. We hope this gives as many supporters as possible time to weigh up what is right for them.”
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Post by Sio on Sept 4, 2020 11:40:28 GMT 1
Sensible decision. Barely any work done on the team so far so a lot of people will be questioning what's going on. The next week could shake things up a fair bit in terms of our starting line-up, and potentially excitement levels among the fanbase.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 11:43:28 GMT 1
Surprised Lord Driffield hasn’t started a thread about this but Liverpool has suspended season card sales. Hendo, Klopp, nothing like a European game under the lights at Anfield .... etc, etc, if anyone is missing it. What, no one? Anyway, they’re going for a match by match basis, probably because a much smaller part of their income. LordDriffield was banned a couple of weeks ago From the admin action thread "lorddriffield poster with a lifetime ban who has reappeared - banned again."
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 4, 2020 11:52:06 GMT 1
Brilliant Sales strategy.
Put a close deadline on tickets and watch them sell sell sell....
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 4, 2020 14:24:53 GMT 1
Pissed me off this 8k sold and a limit of today at 5pm. Over 10k sold. If it goes past 12 k then the 1 in 2 games might end up being 1 in 3
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Post by Dan on Sept 4, 2020 14:27:17 GMT 1
Pissed me off this 8k sold and a limit of today at 5pm. Over 10k sold. If it goes past 12 k then the 1 in 2 games might end up being 1 in 3 With a capacity of 30% we'd be looking at 7,500 so still more than 1 in 2.
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Post by turbo2 on Sept 4, 2020 14:31:11 GMT 1
Pissed me off this 8k sold and a limit of today at 5pm. Over 10k sold. If it goes past 12 k then the 1 in 2 games might end up being 1 in 3 With a capacity of 30% we'd be looking at 7,500 so still more than 1 in 2. Thought they were saying 25%
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 14:46:43 GMT 1
With a rumoured 7,500 Covid capacity and even more than 10,000 SC holders. On a cold wet dark winter's evening, be interesting to see if the 7,500 capacity is reached
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Post by htfcsince70 on Sept 4, 2020 15:32:01 GMT 1
If we are able to allow 7500 into the stadium during the current climate I think that will be great - I remember the days when we could only dream of having 7500 watching Town - I was at the games v Torquay with 1623 in attendance and against Bournemouth with 1638 hardy souls rattling around Leeds Road - happy days!
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 4, 2020 16:27:26 GMT 1
If we are able to allow 7500 into the stadium during the current climate I think that will be great - I remember the days when we could only dream of having 7500 watching Town - I was at the games v Torquay with 1623 in attendance and against Bournemouth with 1638 hardy souls rattling around Leeds Road - happy days! Likewise but we could stand about in groups.. Get 50 lads/blokes shouting together or just The Mayor Of Coventry being held upright by a couple of others and you could have an atmosphere? Being spread out isnt footie for me..
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 4, 2020 17:25:37 GMT 1
They are scared shitless about the economy and everyone's least best friend inflation not far away. Inflation can be good for the poor, their debts reduce in real value. Yes that is correct in the sense they should earn more money to pay the debt off but what messes that up is that everything you buy increases in price and the debt you owe becomes bigger as interest rates increase. Pay debt off quickly or inflation could swallow you up. This is in the wrong thread, but having lived and worked through 3 serious bouts of inflation, i can assure you, it damages wealth, that's why the politicians hate it. It is in fact natural event in non organised economy, as it balances out value around the planet, reorders disrupted markets(eg the current high street rent crisis), revalues classes of assets in relation to other classes of assets etc. I short (it should) allow goods and services to realise their real worth not just their price .
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Post by gpaul19781 on Sept 4, 2020 17:26:03 GMT 1
Firstly I don't think the club could have done much more than they have. Personally I am not too fussed about seeing games in a quarter full stadium, I'd prefer to wait until things improve and return to normal. There's a bigger question here though. Currently 8000 or so cards sold, a massive difference in the past few years. How much is that down to Covid and how much is down to what has happened on the pitch? The club will undoubtedly point to Covid, and I suppose it's reasonable to a point, but how many fans would have decided to not bother with another uncertain season. How many are disenfranchised by how things have been managed? Moreover how many will return in the future, especially (as implied), prices will increase? It's a stark reality of where we are as a club. Covid is certainly a significant factor but it's not the only one (to the loss of committed fans). I hope the club doesn't hide behind the Covid excuse. I'm pretty sure removing Cowleys and bringing CC in to implement a more entertaining style of play means the club aren't just hiding behind Covid
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