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Post by richhtfc on Jul 10, 2020 22:39:01 GMT 1
The whole issue at our football club is identity, we spent 10 years telling players we’re a stepping stone to greatness and we would help them by putting them in the ‘shop window’.
It was a very successful tactic it got us and the club what we wanted. We reached the promised land again after a 45 year break, but unfortunately we were so focussed on the goal, once we got there we had no idea what do do or who we were anymore.
You can’t define yourself with an ‘eternal struggle’ to achieve, once you’ve achieved.
Unfortunately we are now in a situation where we really don’t know who we are, we’re an ex premier league club with on the face of it little ambition to get back, and we’re stuck with players who don’t want to be with us because they have no idea what HTFC is or what it’s ambitions are.
It might actually be best if we drop again, I love the club and it would break my heart but it seems to me that what characterises HTFC as a club is our ability to bounce back. We need to find our spirit again because the current players don’t care about this club.
Their can’t be many other clubs in all four leagues that has had more relegations or promotions over the last 10 years, and not in a yo yo sense. Being a Town fan will always be an emotional rollercoaster, we just don’t do stability.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 10, 2020 22:46:31 GMT 1
The whole issue at our football club is identity, we spent 10 years telling players we’re a stepping stone to greatness and we would help them by putting them in the ‘shop window’. It was a very successful tactic it got us and the club what we wanted. We reached the promised land again after a 45 year break, but unfortunately we were so focussed on the goal, once we got there we had no idea what do do or who we were anymore. You can’t define yourself with an ‘eternal struggle’ to achieve, once you’ve achieved. Unfortunately we are now in a situation where we really don’t know who we are, we’re an ex premier league club with on the face of it little ambition to get back, and we’re stuck with players who don’t want to be with us because they have no idea what HTFC is or what it’s ambitions are. It might actually be best if we drop again, I love the club and it would break my heart but it seems to me that what characterises HTFC as a club is our ability to bounce back. We need to find our spirit again because the current players don’t care about this club. Their can’t be many other clubs in all four leagues that has had more relegations or promotions over the last 10 years, and not in a yo yo sense. Being a Town fan will always be an emotional rollercoaster, we just don’t do stability. We know exactly what we are. A club that belittles itself, tells its fanbase not to dream but stay humble, downplays expectations and has done so so long that it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Sadly we could be much more.
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Post by tvor on Jul 10, 2020 22:53:22 GMT 1
Fuck me. There’s some short memories here. Do you remember when Powell was sacked for having that attitude. The problem is not staying humble, it was being realistic. The bigger problem was the PL windfall and spending it on tat.
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Post by Stiggy on Jul 10, 2020 22:54:52 GMT 1
My missus keeps telling me I'm mad for not going for a refund for next seasons ST.
After watching the the last few games I have to agree with her.
I cannot think of a duller team to watch in the whole football league let alone the championship.
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Post by specialun on Jul 10, 2020 22:59:39 GMT 1
The whole issue at our football club is identity, we spent 10 years telling players we’re a stepping stone to greatness and we would help them by putting them in the ‘shop window’. It was a very successful tactic it got us and the club what we wanted. We reached the promised land again after a 45 year break, but unfortunately we were so focussed on the goal, once we got there we had no idea what do do or who we were anymore. You can’t define yourself with an ‘eternal struggle’ to achieve, once you’ve achieved. Unfortunately we are now in a situation where we really don’t know who we are, we’re an ex premier league club with on the face of it little ambition to get back, and we’re stuck with players who don’t want to be with us because they have no idea what HTFC is or what it’s ambitions are. It might actually be best if we drop again, I love the club and it would break my heart but it seems to me that what characterises HTFC as a club is our ability to bounce back. We need to find our spirit again because the current players don’t care about this club. Their can’t be many other clubs in all four leagues that has had more relegations or promotions over the last 10 years, and not in a yo yo sense. Being a Town fan will always be an emotional rollercoaster, we just don’t do stability. We know exactly what we are. A club that belittles itself, tells its fanbase not to dream but stay humble, downplays expectations and has done so so long that it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Sadly we could be much more. A moment in time Because we didn’t have the balls to make it anything more than that We bought a few lottery tickets and stuck a few quid (in premier league equivalent) on 21 on the roulette table And got exactly what that negative approach deserved Our directors and former owner must be left thinking what could’ve been... Except actually as a result of the premier league one person did benefit more than he ever thought he could have before promotion...! And in doing so made sure it could only ever be one moment in time Because we were never ever going to be in the position of a Burnley as we liked to think we would be Indeed our summer signings came from German division 4-8, conference and league 2...albeit fair to say some on here were excited by these signings and like chairman Phil thought we had a top 6 side. Wowzers! I said in August we’d do well to finish 16th. This season has been everything I feared it would and more
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Post by richhtfc on Jul 10, 2020 23:00:22 GMT 1
Fuck me. There’s some short memories here. Do you remember when Powell was sacked for having that attitude. The problem is not staying humble, it was being realistic. The bigger problem was the PL windfall and spending it on tat. I think the ‘top 30 club’ mission statement is problematic to be honest, it’s honest but it doesn’t inspire fans or players.
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Post by hthtafs on Jul 10, 2020 23:06:36 GMT 1
Where did this identify nonsense come from ... some German bloke who got lucky and buggered off at the first opportunity.?.. let’s get mr negative back after he’s sacked from turning another club into a non scoring fiasco..l... bring back jacko
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Post by tvor on Jul 10, 2020 23:12:36 GMT 1
Fuck me. There’s some short memories here. Do you remember when Powell was sacked for having that attitude. The problem is not staying humble, it was being realistic. The bigger problem was the PL windfall and spending it on tat. I think the ‘top 30 club’ mission statement is problematic to be honest, it’s honest but it doesn’t inspire fans or players. Agree about it being problematic. At the moment and with hindsight it looks unachievable but why bother saying it at all? It makes the club a hostage to fortune and either sets the level expectation for some fans and is uninspiring to others.
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Post by tvor on Jul 10, 2020 23:19:26 GMT 1
Where did this identify nonsense come from ... some German bloke who got lucky and buggered off at the first opportunity.?.. let’s get mr negative back after he’s sacked from turning another club into a non scoring fiasco..l... bring back jacko Not just about him. Dean Hoyle had a ‘type’ when it came to managers and part of that was expectations of the style of football. Wagner had the gegenpressing or ‘counter pressure’ but we had a succession of managers who expected the team to be ‘at it’. Always wondered if that came from DH so maybe not just about the manager?
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Post by ACW on Jul 10, 2020 23:21:46 GMT 1
Where did this identify nonsense come from ... some German bloke who got lucky and buggered off at the first opportunity.?.. let’s get mr negative back after he’s sacked from turning another club into a non scoring fiasco..l... bring back jacko Wagner gave us an identity, a clear identity that everyone bought into. Everyone at the club knew what the identity was, what was expected and what we were all about. We had a clear common goal. And what did that achieve? Well, it got us to the Premier League against the odds and kept us up against the odds. Not bad, eh? As many are saying, one of our problems at the moment is a lack of identity, particularly on the pitch. If there is no clarity of what is expected and how we want to move forward then its no surprise we are failing so badly as a club. As for Wagner getting lucky? Lucky over 46+ Championship games to get us promoted? Lucky to have us in the top 6 almost all season? Lucky to build a team that wholeheartedly bought into his ideas? Lucky to create the best team spirit seen at Town in a generation? And lucky to follow all of that up by surviving in the Premier League against almost impossible odds? Fuck off. You're talking out of your arse.
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Post by hthtafs on Jul 10, 2020 23:28:36 GMT 1
Where did this identify nonsense come from ... some German bloke who got lucky and buggered off at the first opportunity.?.. let’s get mr negative back after he’s sacked from turning another club into a non scoring fiasco..l... bring back jacko Wagner gave us an identity, a clear identity that everyone bought into. Everyone at the club knew what the identity was, what was expected and what we were all about. We had a clear common goal. And what did that achieve? Well, it got us to the Premier League against the odds and kept us up against the odds. Not bad, eh? As many are saying, one of our problems at the moment is a lack of identity, particularly on the pitch. If there is no clarity of what is expected and how we want to move forward then its no surprise we are failing so badly as a club. As for Wagner getting lucky? Lucky over 46+ Championship games to get us promoted? Lucky to have us in the top 6 almost all season? Lucky to build a team that wholeheartedly bought into his ideas? Lucky to create the best team spirit seen at Town in a generation? And lucky to follow all of that up by surviving in the Premier League against almost impossible odds? Fuck off. You're talking out of your arse. Some false German identity based on the best supported side in Europe. We finished 5th didn’t score a goal on the play offs we were Lucky, and he’d have fucked off to Villa, Leeds and anywhere else had his salary not been bumped up on 3 occasions.
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Post by ACW on Jul 10, 2020 23:30:21 GMT 1
Wagner gave us an identity, a clear identity that everyone bought into. Everyone at the club knew what the identity was, what was expected and what we were all about. We had a clear common goal. And what did that achieve? Well, it got us to the Premier League against the odds and kept us up against the odds. Not bad, eh? As many are saying, one of our problems at the moment is a lack of identity, particularly on the pitch. If there is no clarity of what is expected and how we want to move forward then its no surprise we are failing so badly as a club. As for Wagner getting lucky? Lucky over 46+ Championship games to get us promoted? Lucky to have us in the top 6 almost all season? Lucky to build a team that wholeheartedly bought into his ideas? Lucky to create the best team spirit seen at Town in a generation? And lucky to follow all of that up by surviving in the Premier League against almost impossible odds? Fuck off. You're talking out of your arse. Some false German identity based on the best supported side in Europe. We finished 5th didn’t score a goal on the play offs we were Lucky, and he’d have fucked off to Villa, Leeds and anywhere else had his salary not been bumped up on 3 occasions. You're still talking out of your arse.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 10, 2020 23:42:25 GMT 1
Wagner gave us an identity, a clear identity that everyone bought into. Everyone at the club knew what the identity was, what was expected and what we were all about. We had a clear common goal. And what did that achieve? Well, it got us to the Premier League against the odds and kept us up against the odds. Not bad, eh? As many are saying, one of our problems at the moment is a lack of identity, particularly on the pitch. If there is no clarity of what is expected and how we want to move forward then its no surprise we are failing so badly as a club. As for Wagner getting lucky? Lucky over 46+ Championship games to get us promoted? Lucky to have us in the top 6 almost all season? Lucky to build a team that wholeheartedly bought into his ideas? Lucky to create the best team spirit seen at Town in a generation? And lucky to follow all of that up by surviving in the Premier League against almost impossible odds? Fuck off. You're talking out of your arse. Some false German identity based on the best supported side in Europe. We finished 5th didn’t score a goal on the play offs we were Lucky, and he’d have fucked off to Villa, Leeds and anywhere else had his salary not been bumped up on 3 occasions. Can you not remember how exciting it was? That wasn't a false identity, it was something organic that we all bought into. If you cannot remember, just think back to that week when we played Brighton and Leeds at home. That was the fucking pinnacle in identity.
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Post by wigster on Jul 10, 2020 23:54:12 GMT 1
Some false German identity based on the best supported side in Europe. We finished 5th didn’t score a goal on the play offs we were Lucky, and he’d have fucked off to Villa, Leeds and anywhere else had his salary not been bumped up on 3 occasions. You're still talking out of your arse. Andy, why on earth was surviving in the Premier league "against almost impossible odds"? We spent an absolute fortune - counting wages and the contracts - a fortune not just by Huddersfield Town standards but by the standards of quite a lot of teams in the Premier division that year. You've always gone on for a long time about how you value good football and I've appreciated that but wouldn't you accept that in both the years we were in the Premier league there were quite a lot of poor teams there with us ? I'm not going to rake up past history but I think you might accept that. When we talk about our memories of those "glorious" 2 years most people seem to mean the victory over Man Utd, a game against Chelsea and, at best, 1 or 2 others. Not much for the spineless and pathetic way we gave up our place at the top table. What buggered us up was the appalling transfer business we (Hoyle and Wagner?) did - blowing tens and tens of millions - and the much quoted "we are a little team that's lucky to be here" rubbish that Hoyle and Wagner spouted continually, and transfered to the players and tactics - timidity personified. We were scared shitless most games, and Wagner, when he wasn't apparently threatening to get away, was responsible for that. From what I can see we were a totally amateurish set-up (see what ex-players have said) that didn't have a clue what it was doing, culminating in bringing Siewert who we'd "followed for years". From what I remember his record,appalling though it was, was no worse than the last 12 months of Wagner's reign.
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Post by royrace on Jul 11, 2020 0:08:45 GMT 1
Where did this identify nonsense come from ... some German bloke who got lucky and buggered off at the first opportunity.?.. let’s get mr negative back after he’s sacked from turning another club into a non scoring fiasco..l... bring back jacko Not just about him. Dean Hoyle had a ‘type’ when it came to managers and part of that was expectations of the style of football. Wagner had the gegenpressing or ‘counter pressure’ but we had a succession of managers who expected the team to be ‘at it’. Always wondered if that came from DH so maybe not just about the manager? Hoyles managerial appointments were in the main, shyte. Giving lee Clark the job and all that money was a ridiculous thing to do, appointing Grayson got us over the line with a huge slice of luck. Appointed robins, banged on about identity then appointed Powell and chucked it all out of the window. Appointed Weber who found Wagner, got lucky again when the stars aligned then followed that with the mother of all fuck ups Stewart. I’d say his recruitment was average at best and that’s being kind. His failure to appoint good professionals in other areas are ultimately what’s left us in this mess. The club has been very good at saying one thing then doing the exact opposite. The nolimits mantra being one very good example. It’s now just completely ironic. From #NOLIMITS to #NOSHAME in 2 years.
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Post by ACW on Jul 11, 2020 0:21:15 GMT 1
You're still talking out of your arse. Andy, why on earth was surviving in the Premier league "against almost impossible odds"? We spent an absolute fortune - counting wages and the contracts - a fortune not just by Huddersfield Town standards but by the standards of quite a lot of teams in the Premier division that year. You've always gone on for a long time about how you value good football and I've appreciated that but wouldn't you accept that in both the years we were in the Premier league there were quite a lot of poor teams there with us ? I'm not going to rake up past history but I think you might accept that. When we talk about our memories of those "glorious" 2 years most people seem to mean the victory over Man Utd, a game against Chelsea and, at best, 1 or 2 others. Not much for the spineless and pathetic way we gave up our place at the top table. What buggered us up was the appalling transfer business we (Hoyle and Wagner?) did - blowing tens and tens of millions - and the much quoted "we are a little team that's lucky to be here" rubbish that Hoyle and Wagner spouted continually, and transfered to the players and tactics - timidity personified. We were scared shitless most games, and Wagner, when he wasn't apparently threatening to get away, was responsible for that. From what I can see we were a totally amateurish set-up (see what ex-players have said) that didn't have a clue what it was doing, culminating in bringing Siewert who we'd "followed for years". From what I remember his record,appalling though it was, was no worse than the last 12 months of Wagner's reign. I seem to remember we were favourites to go down in 2017-2018. We certainly would have been one of the favourites for relegation before we played away at the Etihad and Stamford Bridge. Yes, City had nothing to play for, but Chelsea certainly did. I don't know the comparative amounts of money spent in our first season in the Premier League, but I would expect our budget was one of the smallest. I don't understand why Town fans look to belittle our achievement in staying up. Maybe there were some other poor teams, but IMO that does not undermine Town's achievement. I agree that the football in the Premier League was not always the best. We were playing against far better players and Wagner was much more pragmatic. We had our moments though. Our club has become a car crash since the end of our first season in the Premier League. I would not disagree, and I would not absolve Wagner of some blame. But no matter how shit things have been since then, I can't understand why Town fans denigrate our achievements of the promotion and survival seasons. I just don't understand it. And it really annoys me to be honest. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Town, but promotion to the Premier League and survival in it are nowhere near the top of my list. Other may think differently.
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Post by royrace on Jul 11, 2020 0:30:55 GMT 1
Andy, why on earth was surviving in the Premier league "against almost impossible odds"? We spent an absolute fortune - counting wages and the contracts - a fortune not just by Huddersfield Town standards but by the standards of quite a lot of teams in the Premier division that year. You've always gone on for a long time about how you value good football and I've appreciated that but wouldn't you accept that in both the years we were in the Premier league there were quite a lot of poor teams there with us ? I'm not going to rake up past history but I think you might accept that. When we talk about our memories of those "glorious" 2 years most people seem to mean the victory over Man Utd, a game against Chelsea and, at best, 1 or 2 others. Not much for the spineless and pathetic way we gave up our place at the top table. What buggered us up was the appalling transfer business we (Hoyle and Wagner?) did - blowing tens and tens of millions - and the much quoted "we are a little team that's lucky to be here" rubbish that Hoyle and Wagner spouted continually, and transfered to the players and tactics - timidity personified. We were scared shitless most games, and Wagner, when he wasn't apparently threatening to get away, was responsible for that. From what I can see we were a totally amateurish set-up (see what ex-players have said) that didn't have a clue what it was doing, culminating in bringing Siewert who we'd "followed for years". From what I remember his record,appalling though it was, was no worse than the last 12 months of Wagner's reign. I seem to remember we were favourites to go down in 2017-2018. We certainly would have been one of the favourites for relegation before we played away at the Etihad and Stamford Bridge. Yes, City had nothing to play for, but Chelsea certainly did. I don't know the comparative amounts of money spent in our first season in the Premier League, but I would expect our budget was one of the smallest. I don't understand why Town fans look to belittle our achievement in staying up. Maybe there were some other poor teams, but IMO that does not undermine Town's achievement. I agree that the football in the Premier League was not always the best. We were playing against far better players and Wagner was much more pragmatic. We had our moments though. Our club has become a car crash since the end of our first season in the Premier League. I would not disagree, and I would not absolve Wagner of some blame. But no matter how shit things have been since then, I can't understand why Town fans denigrate our achievements of the promotion and survival seasons. I just don't understand it. And it really annoys me to be honest. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Town, but promotion to the Premier League and survival in it are nowhere near the top of my list. Other may think differently. I think Sheffield United have done a very good job of putting our achievements in perspective. Impressive yes, miraculous, absolutely not and we could have done much better. Sheffield United talk and act like they belong in the PL and aren’t taking every opportunity to belittle themselves, their club, players or city.
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Post by ACW on Jul 11, 2020 0:38:31 GMT 1
I seem to remember we were favourites to go down in 2017-2018. We certainly would have been one of the favourites for relegation before we played away at the Etihad and Stamford Bridge. Yes, City had nothing to play for, but Chelsea certainly did. I don't know the comparative amounts of money spent in our first season in the Premier League, but I would expect our budget was one of the smallest. I don't understand why Town fans look to belittle our achievement in staying up. Maybe there were some other poor teams, but IMO that does not undermine Town's achievement. I agree that the football in the Premier League was not always the best. We were playing against far better players and Wagner was much more pragmatic. We had our moments though. Our club has become a car crash since the end of our first season in the Premier League. I would not disagree, and I would not absolve Wagner of some blame. But no matter how shit things have been since then, I can't understand why Town fans denigrate our achievements of the promotion and survival seasons. I just don't understand it. And it really annoys me to be honest. There are plenty of reasons to criticise Town, but promotion to the Premier League and survival in it are nowhere near the top of my list. Other may think differently. I think Sheffield United have done a very good job of putting our achievements in perspective. Impressive yes, miraculous, absolutely not and we could have done much better. Sheffield United talk and act like they belong in the PL and aren’t taking every opportunity to belittle themselves, their club, players or city. What Sheffield Utd have done is very, very impressive. It will be interesting to see how they do next year. Didn't Ipswich do very well under George Burley (with a certain Marcus Stewart scoring plenty of goals) in their first season after promotion only to get relegated the year after? I'm not denigrating Sheffield Utd's achievements at all, but it will be hard to maintain them. Time will tell how they perform.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 11, 2020 1:09:18 GMT 1
Some false German identity based on the best supported side in Europe. We finished 5th didn’t score a goal on the play offs we were Lucky, and he’d have fucked off to Villa, Leeds and anywhere else had his salary not been bumped up on 3 occasions. You're still talking out of your arse. Seconded . You are absolutely talking out of your backside.
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Post by impact on Jul 11, 2020 1:19:58 GMT 1
We don't have an idendity. It ended when Wagner left.
Now we are back in exactly the same position, or even worse, than when we had Powell and previous managers in charge. I'd actually rather have Powell in charge. At least I knew what he was trying to achieve.
We have pissed away the opportunity of a lifetime.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 11, 2020 1:24:39 GMT 1
We don't have an itendity. It ended when Wagner left. Now we are back in exactly the same position, or even worse, than when we had Powell and previous managers in charge. I'd actually rather have Powell in charge. At least I knew what he was trying to achieve. We have pissed away the opportunity of a lifetime. Totally 100% true. The “brothers” have not given us an identity at all. Over hyped because they had a few good results at Lincoln City. I never ever saw it myself.
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Post by ben1987 on Jul 11, 2020 8:17:59 GMT 1
The whole issue at our football club is identity, we spent 10 years telling players we’re a stepping stone to greatness and we would help them by putting them in the ‘shop window’. It was a very successful tactic it got us and the club what we wanted. We reached the promised land again after a 45 year break, but unfortunately we were so focussed on the goal, once we got there we had no idea what do do or who we were anymore. You can’t define yourself with an ‘eternal struggle’ to achieve, once you’ve achieved. Unfortunately we are now in a situation where we really don’t know who we are, we’re an ex premier league club with on the face of it little ambition to get back, and we’re stuck with players who don’t want to be with us because they have no idea what HTFC is or what it’s ambitions are. It might actually be best if we drop again, I love the club and it would break my heart but it seems to me that what characterises HTFC as a club is our ability to bounce back. We need to find our spirit again because the current players don’t care about this club. Their can’t be many other clubs in all four leagues that has had more relegations or promotions over the last 10 years, and not in a yo yo sense. Being a Town fan will always be an emotional rollercoaster, we just don’t do stability. We know exactly what we are. A club that belittles itself, tells its fanbase not to dream but stay humble, downplays expectations and has done so so long that it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Sadly we could be much more. Mate, just be happy to be here ffs. Enjoy the ride and see where it takes us.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 11, 2020 8:48:03 GMT 1
Our identity is being shambolic and lacklustre.
Total shambles.
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Post by tvor on Jul 12, 2020 8:28:26 GMT 1
Our identity is being shambolic and lacklustre. Total shambles. Think your maths is out there. Maybe show your workings out to explain your total?
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Post by joek on Jul 12, 2020 9:15:41 GMT 1
Barnsley, Hull, Stoke, Charlton, Boro, Birmingham, QPR, Wigan, Sheffield Wednesday, Reading, Blackburn, Derby, Swansea, Cardiff, Forest, Fulham, Leeds, West Brom in Championship.
Bolton, Portsmouth, Ipswich, Sunderland, Blackpool in League One.
Bradford in League 2.
All these teams have visited the Premier League and then exited stage left. It’s basically what happens to any team who isn’t either the big six or currently moneyed up to their eyeballs.
Fans of all these teams will have hard luck stories and tales of what could have been. Promotion to the Premier League simply doesn’t create a legacy for clubs like ours and I’m really surprised people seem to think it should. We were bound to get relegated eventually and history shows our current situation is how it ends for so many teams when they leave the top table. I get the frustration but not the feeling of being somehow hard done by.
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Post by dugnet on Jul 12, 2020 10:21:52 GMT 1
We don't have an itendity. It ended when Wagner left. Now we are back in exactly the same position, or even worse, than when we had Powell and previous managers in charge. I'd actually rather have Powell in charge. At least I knew what he was trying to achieve. We have pissed away the opportunity of a lifetime. Totally 100% true. The “brothers” have not given us an identity at all. Over hyped because they had a few good results at Lincoln City. I never ever saw it myself. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that but think the approach the Cowleys have taken is to do whatever to try and keep us in the league. I think there is sufficient mitigation to give them the benefit of the doubt. Although I would agree that the last 6 games would suggest otherwise. Had they been appointed in May last year I would say that they really haven't been good enough. However, for all the reasons that have been debated in detail I think the situation they find themselves in was largely dictated by what had gone before. Results yesterday still give us a chance but we have to show much more, and bloody quickly. I currently can't see where a goal is coming from let alone a win! If, and it's a big if, we do survive you have to make a choice; stick with them and allow them to build their own squad (this assumes they want to stay - which I don't think is a given) or make, another, change. It's important to remember that "close season" will be different due to Covid and you would hope (and it is only a hope given what's gone before) we have used lockdown to have different plans for different outcomes. If we don't have a plan, and if anyone at the club says Covid has meant it is difficult to plan, they're quite frankly incompetent and need sacking. We do have an identity at the moment. It's a losing, self defeating and thoroughly negative. Firstly you need to acknowledge what's wrong, why it's wrong, learn from the mistakes and start again. In starting again you build on your strengths (which perhaps aren't immediately obvious) and go from there. There have to be realistic targets and a long term goal which is clear and achievable. In fact exactly all the things we should have done when we were promoted to the Premier League but failed to. I really hope PH is thinking along these lines and not merely hoping we scrape up and breathing a sigh of relief. Allowing the is complete mess to continue, irrespective of the league we are in would be utterly shameful. Is it really so hard to run a football club? Or is it just easy to make a complete pigs ear of it?
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Post by ram on Jul 12, 2020 10:47:11 GMT 1
This may be slightly off topic but,Would any of you buy a secondhand car from the Cowley,s?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2020 10:51:33 GMT 1
I really want to know why we are still playing the formation Wagner brought to the club, He has been gone for 12 months, It doesn't work now he aint here.
Is it simply because the Cowleys don't think they have the players to change it at the moment ?
Am hoping we stay up and get back to having a good big un complimented with a good little un up top next season.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 12, 2020 11:02:09 GMT 1
I'm the first to applaud Wagner for what he did for the club in terms of identity, but let's not excuse his appalling expenditure in the transfer market, which is exactly why we're in the position we're in today. This is what he had to sign when signing Diakhaby for £9m, a 22-year old with little experience and probably based on a 2 minute YouTube reel: “I’m very happy to be able to welcome Adama to Huddersfield Town today. He is a very hungry young footballer with a strong desire to succeed in England, which is fantastic for our club. Obviously he is still learning and improving at 22-years-old, but he already has many of the qualities that we look for in our attacking players. He’s a direct player who is comfortable with the ball at his feet and with genuine pace, which suits our style perfectly." Clearly Wagner didn't have a clue what he was talking about. Or how about when we signed Mbenza for £11m:
"Isaac is a very exciting player and this is a great deal for Huddersfield Town for a player with such ability and potential. You do not play for Belgium at Under-21 level unless you have some outstanding attributes. He's a very quick winger with a direct style of play, which is exactly what we were looking for. When we first spoke, it's clear that he is a real winner too; a fierce competitor who will not accept second-best. I like these characteristics in our players." Again I can only assume this was based on another YouTube 2 minute highlights clip. Or how about Sobhi for £5.7m: "I'm very happy that we will be able to welcome Ramadan to the club. He's a real talent and has achieved a lot for a player who is only 21 years old." Another example of Wagner not having a clue what he was talking about, or what he was getting the club into.
He was completely out of his depth when assessing multi-million pound players. How could DH have authorised this? What due diligence did they do? A 2 minute YouTube video?
Totally shambolic and disgraceful. The club deserves everything it gets.
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Post by dm on Jul 12, 2020 11:13:35 GMT 1
I really want to know why we are still playing the formation Wagner brought to the club, He has been gone for 12 months, It doesn't work now he aint here. Is it simply because the Cowleys don't think they have the players to change it at the moment ? Am hoping we stay up and get back to having a good big un complimented with a good little un up top next season. I've said that since the back end of the first PL season. We have never evolved since 16/17. Its not necessarily a case of not having a 'plan B', just evolving from the tactics that have long since been understood and nullified; in the same way that all tactics eventually get sussed out. Its either foolishness, arrogance or just laziness really to think 'well thats the tactics sorted, no need to revisit that'... tactics and styles of play will always be found out at some point, the good coaches make adjustments to ensure the sides the put out are effective.
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