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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2020 21:52:20 GMT 1
Hopefully Cowley has been sent a letter reminding him of this. In terms of professionalism there is only one side showing this. The professionalism of a club promising to pay a full-back a wage for a month and then going back on its word ? The professionalism of chasing after a manager like mad, eventually getting him, and then a few months later sacking him almost literally on the day he'd done PRECISELY the job he was employed to do ? The professionalism of going behind the manager's back, certainly weeks possibly months before you sack him, to sound out another potential manager? Professionalism ? Did you notice the way this club was run once we'd "over-achieved" by getting into the Premier league ? The "professionalism" of getting paid hundreds of millions and a year and now apparently having no money and still present wage bill obligations ? Did you read what De Poitre, Wagner etc said ? Did you look at the club/watch the set-up and the football for the 18 months before the Cowleys came in ? The Cowleys may well have their faults but goodness me... Fair points them Danny and made with humility :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 21:57:58 GMT 1
I'll have to hold me hands up, though.
When those 'This could be the Cowleys last game' rumours initially came about, just after lockdown was lifted, I was the first to call out that Twitter warrior as a fantasist and attention seeker.
How the hell did he get his information?! He's done nothing, nor since. Is he Maynard's kid or shorts' nom-de-plume?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 3, 2020 22:02:19 GMT 1
He doesn't half talk some nonsense. He goes on about these great people they've spent time around and how they aspire to be like them. Well not acting like dickheads on the touchline would be a start đ
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Post by impact on Aug 3, 2020 22:03:00 GMT 1
DC would no doubt be referring to his football wages budget, the above includes the whole staff including Directors. Which isn't going to be too different really.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 3, 2020 22:03:31 GMT 1
Absolutely full of himself, lots of I did this and we did that. Despite talking of humility he demonstrates as much as Gary Monk - both demonstrating quite similar levels of snide, holier than thou cuntiness.
As others have said plenty of sly digs at the club and how theyâve done such a wonderful job. I wonder if the suitors arenât clambering over themselves for him like he expected so heâs touting himself around.
Saying about how unfair it was that rumours about him being replaced came after the Wigan game. No mention of the utterly shambolic performance, every bit as shite as anything Siewert served up. We had months to prepare but it looked like theyâd been out on the piss the night before.
And while it might be correct to talk about what a state we were in when we arrived, have a bit of respect you cheeky fucker.
Doesnât even superficially mention anything he might have got wrong or why he mightâve got the bullet - just the white knight that came to our rescue and got stabbed in the back by an interfering, no nothing chairman.
Also the way heâs star fucking and dropping those names he sounds like an absolute tourist. âCor blimey Bielsa has five different types of forward run!â suggests heâs miles away from the tactical cutting edge and probably demonstrates one of the reasons heâs been tinned off. Ironically enough for someone that was in the coaching team implementing those forward runs for Bielsa last year.
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Post by thrice on Aug 3, 2020 22:09:27 GMT 1
Son has the makings of a proper gaffer.
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Post by royrace on Aug 3, 2020 22:19:48 GMT 1
When the Cowleys were dismissed, Hodgkinson talked about having a âdifferent visionâ to them. âPhil has been an agent, a non-League chairman, heâs got some coaching badges. He says that he doesnât interfere, but he spoke to the players regularly. Phil just wants to help the club. But you have to be careful. It can undermine the manager. He will be better for this experience. Iâm still grateful to Huddersfield for the opportunity. Nicky and I are better managers now.âInteresting. Certainly adds fuel to the interfering Phil fire. Is anyone genuinely surprised by that comment? Telling indeed. Your boss going round your staff inviting them to slag you off and proving he has zero faith. Itâs actually fucking unbelievable they managed to keep us in the division knowing what went on. Heard whispers before Wigan, ffs. I just hope all you sheep on here are still as convinced it was a good move this time next year, or at Christmas even. Feels to me like a disaster waiting to happen regardless of how good the new man is. We shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 22:25:46 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2020 22:27:51 GMT 1
Interesting. Certainly adds fuel to the interfering Phil fire. Is anyone genuinely surprised by that comment? Telling indeed. Your boss going round your staff inviting them to slag you off and proving he has zero faith. Itâs actually fucking unbelievable they managed to keep us in the division knowing what went on. Heard whispers before Wigan, ffs. I just hope all you sheep on here are still as convinced it was a good move this time next year, or at Christmas even. Feels to me like a disaster waiting to happen regardless of how good the new man is. We shall see. How will we cope without the guys who got Lincoln out of league two
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Post by Leporid on Aug 3, 2020 22:31:45 GMT 1
I always think with Danny Cowley, does a truly humble man always need to tell you how humble they are? Surely a genuinely humble person just gets on with being humble? That's my humble opinion anyway. Humble bragger!
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Post by royrace on Aug 3, 2020 22:35:49 GMT 1
Is anyone genuinely surprised by that comment? Telling indeed. Your boss going round your staff inviting them to slag you off and proving he has zero faith. Itâs actually fucking unbelievable they managed to keep us in the division knowing what went on. Heard whispers before Wigan, ffs. I just hope all you sheep on here are still as convinced it was a good move this time next year, or at Christmas even. Feels to me like a disaster waiting to happen regardless of how good the new man is. We shall see. How will we cope without the guys who got Lincoln out of league two I guess weâll soon find out eh
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2020 22:41:00 GMT 1
How will we cope without the guys who got Lincoln out of league two I guess weâll soon find out eh We will see how we cope without them. But also have no way of knowing what would have happened with them. In the last few games we've endured Wigan and Luton at home, two of the worst home displays in living memory, and an absolute gutless pumping at Millwall. So no guarantees of success. I think they did a pretty good job but you're going a bit ott in my opinion
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Post by space hardware on Aug 3, 2020 22:49:37 GMT 1
I wasn't massively sad to see them go but fucking hell, we don't half look like complete amateurs in the way we go about our business now.
Two years of absolute clown shoes behaviour. From a club that was pretty universally admired for the way it operated and communicated with fans to this.
Embarrassing.
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Post by bluestripe on Aug 3, 2020 22:51:35 GMT 1
I'm up against our resident genius, Otium, as well as many others on this one. I have a feeling that the Cowleys will be successful at Championship level in the future (top half finish if you want to be specific). Put it another way, there is more evidence that would suggest this than (say) there was for Chris Wilder who had successive 12th and 9th place finishes in League 2 with Oxford.
Back at Town, we have gone from a position (prior to the Luton game) where the bulk of people on here did not seriously want their dismissal to a position now where somebody new to the forum would think almost everybody had wanted their sacking for some months.
Having said that, I do hope I am wrong and hope that CorberĂ n is more successful.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 3, 2020 22:52:14 GMT 1
I guess weâll soon find out eh We will see how we cope without them. But also have no way of knowing what would have happened with them. In the last few games we've endured Wigan and Luton at home, two of the worst home displays in living memory, and an absolute gutless pumping at Millwall. So no guarantees of success. I think they did a pretty good job but you're going a bit ott in my opinion Tell you what though, this new bloke is on a hiding to nothing, he's inherited an absolutely steaming pile of turds of a squad, a megalomaniac chairman with coaching badges, a measly transfer budget. I'm not convinced this is going to end well for either Corberan or Phil. If we finish 4th bottom next season it'll be a success.
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Post by royrace on Aug 3, 2020 22:52:26 GMT 1
I guess weâll soon find out eh We will see how we cope without them. But also have no way of knowing what would have happened with them. In the last few games we've endured Wigan and Luton at home, two of the worst home displays in living memory, and an absolute gutless pumping at Millwall. So no guarantees of success. I think they did a pretty good job but you're going a bit ott in my opinion Ott? Really? I donât think they should have been sacked but Iâm hardly going ott. If youâre happy with the way chairman Phil is running the club then good for you. I predict it wonât end well, hope Iâm wrong. And bearing in mind the last two seasons weâve had, those three games you mention donât even register. As an aside those three results perhaps donât look quite as bad now with hindsight, also bear in mind the prep for the home games!
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Post by Metch on Aug 3, 2020 22:52:32 GMT 1
I think the interview is understandable and well articulated. I was sorry to see the Cowleys go, they will be a success wherever they end up. I just hope that Carlos will be a bigger success for all our sakes. But the elephant in the room is the dire state of our squad. Phil said three windows, well this one is a massive one. Still too much overpaid shite on the books, an ageing core of our best players, not enough quality with the youth. Needs a f***** magician.
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Post by bluestripe on Aug 3, 2020 22:55:44 GMT 1
Interesting read, their determination comes through but it does come across a bit pointed, which might not be a great idea. I also wouldnât be putting it about that Iâd had a wage bill around ÂŁ20m and nearly took a club down to the 3rd tier. But it isnât difficult to see that theyâll have success somewhere soon. I think there is a fair chance they will have success at this level, but only if they realise that once you get to Championship level and above the chances of getting to run a club as a dictatorship is virtually nil. Even old school Warnock wont have had that at Cardiff. I doubt he'd ever heard of Emiliano Sala. Agreed. I think they will have to adapt, but they wouldn't have got as Far as Lincoln and Town if they had not adapted along the way.
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Post by royrace on Aug 3, 2020 22:59:08 GMT 1
I'm up against our resident genius, Otium, as well as many others on this one. I have a feeling that the Cowleys will be successful at Championship level in the future (top half finish if you want to be specific). Put it another way, there is more evidence that would suggest this than (say) there was for Chris Wilder who had successive 12th and 9th place finishes in League 2 with Oxford. Back at Town, we have gone from a position (prior to the Luton game) where the bulk of people on here did not seriously want their dismissal to a position now where somebody new to the forum would think almost everybody had wanted their sacking for some months. Having said that, I do hope I am wrong and hope that CorberĂ n is more successful. Amazing isnât it how peopleâs opinions change so easily, most just tend to fall in line with the club quite quickly regardless of the evidence on display. Most on here were happy for Siewert to start this season despite everything that had gone before, tells you all you need to know!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2020 23:06:53 GMT 1
We will see how we cope without them. But also have no way of knowing what would have happened with them. In the last few games we've endured Wigan and Luton at home, two of the worst home displays in living memory, and an absolute gutless pumping at Millwall. So no guarantees of success. I think they did a pretty good job but you're going a bit ott in my opinion Ott? Really? I donât think they should have been sacked but Iâm hardly going ott. If youâre happy with the way chairman Phil is running the club then good for you. I predict it wonât end well, hope Iâm wrong. And bearing in mind the last two seasons weâve had, those three games you mention donât even register. As an aside those three results perhaps donât look quite as bad now with hindsight, also bear in mind the prep for the home games! Balance mate balance. If you're trying to dress up Luton and Wigan as anything other than absolutely abysmal then I'm sorry I can't agree
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2020 23:08:35 GMT 1
We will see how we cope without them. But also have no way of knowing what would have happened with them. In the last few games we've endured Wigan and Luton at home, two of the worst home displays in living memory, and an absolute gutless pumping at Millwall. So no guarantees of success. I think they did a pretty good job but you're going a bit ott in my opinion Tell you what though, this new bloke is on a hiding to nothing, he's inherited an absolutely steaming pile of turds of a squad, a megalomaniac chairman with coaching badges, a measly transfer budget. I'm not convinced this is going to end well for either Corberan or Phil. If we finish 4th bottom next season it'll be a success. If we finish fourth bottom and you come on here saying its been a successful season I'll give you my "collection"
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 3, 2020 23:08:45 GMT 1
Whatever the outcome of the decision - right or wrong, two weeks later and I'm still squirming in embarrassment at how we treated these coaches. Why though Kenny? Rightly or wrongly our club decided on a different path. And they sacked the boss. Again rightly or wrongly it happens all the time in football That's the problem though Ted. If you adopt the attitude that it happens all the time in football so its no big deal then the whole affair just becomes a dog eat dog existence. Some of us think it is a big deal. Just because it happens all the time doesn't make it right. I don't like the fact that we got rid of two people who had kept us up - who put hours and hours of effort into helping our club, our players. They deserved a start to a season.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Aug 3, 2020 23:10:29 GMT 1
I think the interview is understandable and well articulated. I was sorry to see the Cowleys go, they will be a success wherever they end up. I just hope that Carlos will be a bigger success for all our sakes. But the elephant in the room is the dire state of our squad. Phil said three windows, well this one is a massive one. Still too much overpaid shite on the books, an ageing core of our best players, not enough quality with the youth. Needs a f***** magician. I totally agree with this. I worry this constant talk of youth and B teams simply means a reduced squad of championship quality pro's supplemented with a reasonable size group of young untried and unproven players. Smacks of lack of investment and if that is the case it is a massive gamble hoping an under 23 manager from Leeds will be able to keep us up. Quite simply this squad needs a massive overhaul and investment... Not more half arsed signings like Koroma, Brown and Bockhorn. We will soon find out.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2020 23:14:35 GMT 1
Why though Kenny? Rightly or wrongly our club decided on a different path. And they sacked the boss. Again rightly or wrongly it happens all the time in football That's the problem though Ted. If you adopt the attitude that it happens all the time in football so its no big deal then the whole affair just becomes a dog eat dog existence. Some of us think it is a big deal. Just because it happens all the time doesn't make it right. I don't like the fact that we got rid of two people who had kept us up - who put hours and hours of effort into helping our club, our players. They deserved a start to a season. Football has gone bonkers. Managers should be given time. Couldn't agree more. But that ship has sailed. The cowleys were unlucky imo they did a pretty good job. But we made a decision and its done now. The way some were talking you'd think the cowleys were the second coming of christ. Chris Powell got sacked and I stuck up for him. A year and a half later I was being served up platefuls of humble pie. I'm not sure why we should afford the cowleys more reverence than Powell tbh
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Post by shawsie on Aug 3, 2020 23:16:14 GMT 1
Ott? Really? I donât think they should have been sacked but Iâm hardly going ott. If youâre happy with the way chairman Phil is running the club then good for you. I predict it wonât end well, hope Iâm wrong. And bearing in mind the last two seasons weâve had, those three games you mention donât even register. As an aside those three results perhaps donât look quite as bad now with hindsight, also bear in mind the prep for the home games! Balance mate balance. If you're trying to dress up Luton and Wigan as anything other than absolutely abysmal then I'm sorry I can't agree Am not sure anyone is trying to window dress those performances or indeed some others tbh. The football was at best functional to watch. That said they inherited a hapless, dispirited bunch populated by equal amounts of some just not very good and some attitudes that were shameful and they kept us up despite us having 1 pt in 9 games. None of us are privy to whats been going on behind the scenes.......but its a bold move to jettison them after theyve done the job asked and reduced costs by 4m....assuming that is the case. Time will be the judge now.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2020 23:24:33 GMT 1
Balance mate balance. If you're trying to dress up Luton and Wigan as anything other than absolutely abysmal then I'm sorry I can't agree Am not sure anyone is trying to window dress those performances or indeed some others tbh. The football was at best functional to watch. That said they inherited a hapless, dispirited bunch populated by equal amounts of some just not very good and some attitudes that were shameful and they kept us up despite us having 1 pt in 9 games. None of us are privy to whats been going on behind the scenes.......but its a bold move to jettison them after theyve done the job asked and reduced costs by 4m....assuming that is the case. Time will be the judge now. Totally agree. They did a pretty good job. I don't think you can overestimate the psychological drain of the relegation season. Added to the fact that we had a few chancers who would have been at home starring in the first seriea of "sunderland till I die" so all in all Doc did a good job. But not that good that we should go overboard. PH has decided (no doubt influenced by bromby and the chief exec guy from Brentford) to go down another route. So let's give it a whirl it can't be any worse than the last one and a half seasons
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Post by shawsie on Aug 3, 2020 23:25:28 GMT 1
That's the problem though Ted. If you adopt the attitude that it happens all the time in football so its no big deal then the whole affair just becomes a dog eat dog existence. Some of us think it is a big deal. Just because it happens all the time doesn't make it right. I don't like the fact that we got rid of two people who had kept us up - who put hours and hours of effort into helping our club, our players. They deserved a start to a season. Football has gone bonkers. Managers should be given time. Couldn't agree more. But that ship has sailed. The cowleys were unlucky imo they did a pretty good job. But we made a decision and its done now. The way some were talking you'd think the cowleys were the second coming of christ. Chris Powell got sacked and I stuck up for him. A year and a half later I was being served up platefuls of humble pie. I'm not sure why we should afford the cowleys more reverence than Powell tbh Powell didnt inherit the utter guff the cowleys did ted. That squad was littered with incompetence, bad attitudes and a losing mentality. If there were only 2 or 3 left to start next season i wouldnt be upset......christ look at some of the names on it....diakhaby, mbenza, sobhi, reece brown, bockhorn, hamer, flo, quaner, campbell, koroma, bacuna............its just inconsistent and or dross at this level isnt it?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 3, 2020 23:34:46 GMT 1
I think the squad cowley inherited.was miles better on paper. Though the attitude far worse. Both teams were pretty poor championship teams. I just think a lot in football is perception. Powell left us towards the bottom of the championship and is mocked and derided.. And don't forget he won league one with Charlton a couple of seasons earlier. Cowleys left us when we towards the bottom of the championship having won league Two with Lincoln. And some on here think they are the second coming.
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Post by bluestripe on Aug 3, 2020 23:52:30 GMT 1
I think the squad cowley inherited.was miles better on paper. Though the attitude far worse. Both teams were pretty poor championship teams. I just think a lot in football is perception. Powell left us towards the bottom of the championship and is mocked and derided.. And don't forget he won league one with Charlton a couple of seasons earlier. Cowleys left us when we towards the bottom of the championship having won league Two with Lincoln. And some on here think they are the second coming. Don't you think the Cowleys will get another gig in this league? If so, we should approximately find out whether they have biblical capabilities.
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Post by sandgrounder on Aug 3, 2020 23:52:41 GMT 1
To provide some context. PH coached his sons team for about 2 seasons because like lots of clubs other parents werenât prepared to give the time.
He ran an agency briefly that was basically passed players from the then previous and now current Southport manager and none are playing above conference level or have done.
lastly he was Southport chairman briefly and yes lots of mutterings about interference and strong opinions ( lots of staff turnover on and off the field) and he appointed a very inexperienced at the level manager in ex Bolton forward Kevin Davies and it was a disaster. He also sold a vision and delivered very little of it and then his dream move came up to Town and not many if any miss him at Southport but the club has survived but over spent massively under PH brief tenure. Which interestingly included a link up with Town for younger players to go on loan but not one did. Premier league at the time to Conf North a bit of a gulf.
the bit I find distasteful in all this and since PH commencement is the constant leaking of information and BS from the club.
vision, change of philosophy or cloth cutting. The fact is the Crowleyâs were what they were prior to being appointed and had/have a big time reputation in the game and not universally popular but not sure they received what they were promised during the recruitment process from PH. Due diligence again. It would be like selling a football club to a former shirt sponsor whom was late in making payments on tranches of their sponsorship deal and the club actively having to look for a potential replacement in early part of that season, now you wouldnât do that would you? Itâs turned into a soap opera and wonât end well.
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