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Post by specialun on Aug 4, 2020 0:34:32 GMT 1
Very fair comments given what happened - I’d have been far less dignified! Best of luck to Cowley
You can’t have anything but admiration for Schindler
On we go with Carlos - Looking forward to seeing Carlos being backed as promised to allow him to implement his style.. at least we’ve had plenty of time to plan
Hard to think we’re back in training next week!
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 4, 2020 3:02:06 GMT 1
A load of self congratulatory, name dropping, sniping, and sniveling guff was that article. There was zero humility in that article, from claiming to be the savior of Lincoln because they were in mourning to referencing how supportive he was of his wife’s achievements and claiming that Phil thinks DC will prove him wrong. The name dropping, made me sick.
I’m not surprised that DC took a shot at Phil being an interfering owner because that was an easy pot shot knowing the fans have used this before. The pot shot at West Ham being soulless will raise an eyebrow or two amongst owners, least West Ham. If West Ham have actually heard of them, the Cowley brothers won’t be managing there ever after that, even if they were improve their football(which I can’t personally see).
The football was nothing short of diabolical and I didn’t see any improvement above what any player was capable, under their management. The sideline antics, while amusing to start with became embarrassing as they used them too often that refs started to ignore them whether they had a point or not.
Town made a mistake by letting JS to start the season and you can be sure that they weren’t going to make the same mistake twice.
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Post by ruggedivy on Aug 4, 2020 7:22:32 GMT 1
A load of self congratulatory, name dropping, sniping, and sniveling guff was that article. There was zero humility in that article, from claiming to be the savior of Lincoln because they were in mourning to referencing how supportive he was of his wife’s achievements and claiming that Phil thinks DC will prove him wrong. The name dropping, made me sick. I’m not surprised that DC took a shot at Phil being an interfering owner because that was an easy pot shot knowing the fans have used this before. The pot shot at West Ham being soulless will raise an eyebrow or two amongst owners, least West Ham. If West Ham have actually heard of them, the Cowley brothers won’t be managing there ever after that, even if they were improve their football(which I can’t personally see). The football was nothing short of diabolical and I didn’t see any improvement above what any player was capable, under their management. The sideline antics, while amusing to start with became embarrassing as they used them too often that refs started to ignore them whether they had a point or not. Town made a mistake by letting JS to start the season and you can be sure that they weren’t going to make the same mistake twice. Spot on. Talk about Cowley propaganda. These guys sell themselves as noble gents but they are anything but..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 7:26:55 GMT 1
Fans call Siewart a ‘PE teacher’ and demand he is sacked.
We sack him and appoint an actual, former PE teacher.
Our former PE teacher forever bangs on about how he wants to learn from Bielsa.
We sack him and replace him with someone who actually worked with, and learned from, Bielsa.
Funny how things work out.
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Post by swam4mwg on Aug 4, 2020 7:35:56 GMT 1
Cowley is right, it is an awful industry is football. The Cowleys did a great job keeping us up, with all the other issues going on around them. I dread to think what we would have done, had we been relegated .
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 4, 2020 7:38:11 GMT 1
Fans call Siewart a ‘PE teacher’ and demand he is sacked. We sack him and appoint an actual, former PE teacher. Our former PE teacher forever bangs on about how he wants to learn from Bielsa. We sack him and replace him with someone who actually worked with, and learned from, Bielsa. Funny how things work out. Doesn't mean he's going to be any good. Bobby Robson recommended Mick Wadsworth and look how that turned out.
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Post by shawsie on Aug 4, 2020 8:06:28 GMT 1
I think the squad cowley inherited.was miles better on paper. Though the attitude far worse. Both teams were pretty poor championship teams. I just think a lot in football is perception. Powell left us towards the bottom of the championship and is mocked and derided.. And don't forget he won league one with Charlton a couple of seasons earlier. Cowleys left us when we towards the bottom of the championship having won league Two with Lincoln. And some on here think they are the second coming. Im far from the cowleys biggest fans........but they came in, did what was asked and were let go to be replaced by an inexperienced new no.1 who wont control the one thing weve been abysmal at for 2 yrs - recruitment. Thats fine providing there is a plan behind it and the new man gets time and backing. If not, then some will rightly question is going on. Theres seems to be alot of knee jerk decision making going on and has been for some time. Siewert hastily appointed, clearly out of his depth in the prem as the club itself was and then booted after barely 6 games the following year. We chase the Cowleys for weeks, eventually get them and then they too are gone in unceremonious circumstances and hastily replaced. The DOF role seems to have a revolving door - how many now in the last 3 or 4 yrs?! PH has made a bold call - only time will tell if its the right one.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 4, 2020 8:17:04 GMT 1
Agree with every word there shaws. Cowleys did a good job but I can live with them not being our managers. What does concern me is the constant change at every level at the club. If it's Phil feeling his way in for a year that's one thing. But if we are here in another years time with two more coaches departed, a new dof, a new commercial manager, a new tea lady, a new vision etc then it's alarm bells.
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Post by ldotm on Aug 4, 2020 8:39:32 GMT 1
Agree with every word there shaws. Cowleys did a good job but I can live with them not being our managers. What does concern me is the constant change at every level at the club. If it's Phil feeling his way in for a year that's one thing. But if we are here in another years time with two more coaches departed, a new dof, a new challenge mmerciaknmanager, a new tea lady, a new vision etc then it's alarm bells. It certainly will be if we’ve hired a “Challenge mmerciaknmanager” because nobody has ever heard of that role and what it entails and it sounds like Phil is hammered and just making roles up with that one.
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Post by houllierspal on Aug 4, 2020 8:39:54 GMT 1
Most important - has Brooky managed to keep his job with all these changes? Bet he has a few tales he could tell?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 4, 2020 8:53:28 GMT 1
To provide some context. PH coached his sons team for about 2 seasons because like lots of clubs other parents weren’t prepared to give the time. He ran an agency briefly that was basically passed players from the then previous and now current Southport manager and none are playing above conference level or have done. lastly he was Southport chairman briefly and yes lots of mutterings about interference and strong opinions ( lots of staff turnover on and off the field) and he appointed a very inexperienced at the level manager in ex Bolton forward Kevin Davies and it was a disaster. He also sold a vision and delivered very little of it and then his dream move came up to Town and not many if any miss him at Southport but the club has survived but over spent massively under PH brief tenure. Which interestingly included a link up with Town for younger players to go on loan but not one did. Premier league at the time to Conf North a bit of a gulf. the bit I find distasteful in all this and since PH commencement is the constant leaking of information and BS from the club. vision, change of philosophy or cloth cutting. The fact is the Crowley’s were what they were prior to being appointed and had/have a big time reputation in the game and not universally popular but not sure they received what they were promised during the recruitment process from PH. Due diligence again. It would be like selling a football club to a former shirt sponsor whom was late in making payments on tranches of their sponsorship deal and the club actively having to look for a potential replacement in early part of that season, now you wouldn’t do that would you? It’s turned into a soap opera and won’t end well. You’re the Southport fan that keeps on popping up to have a go at PH aren’t you? You have an axe to grind which hardly makes you impartial although I don’t doubt that most of what you say is true. There’s definite worries about PH and it could well be a disastrous reign. Plenty of warning signs, he does seem a bit volatile and there are lots of concerns that he doesn’t have deep enough pockets for this level. But the ‘constant leaking of information and BS from the club’ you’ll have to expand on if you want me to take you seriously. There weren’t any leaks against the Cowleys when they were in charge. Murmurings after lockdown on here but that was people that work at the club hinting at things rather than a campaign by the club. It might have always been the plan to have the Cowleys in fire fighting for a short time and then replace them with someone that plays forward thinking, high pressing football. Did that occur to you? You realise this was our model before the Cowleys and it got us promoted to the premier league 3 years ago don’t you? Given that it gave us our most successful period in over 40 years it would be crazy if we scrapped that model just because Wagner ran out of steam and we had a car crash appointment in Siewert. The Cowleys have proved nothing at this level and it’s a huge jump from lower leagues to the championship. The egos, the tactics, the calibre of players and managers. With respect, a lot of what PH tried to do at Southport probably failed because you’re a non league team. We aren’t and he’s got a team to help him do it - the chief exec has been brought in from Brentford because they have the model there, embedded more deeply than we had. So whilst your criticisms of PH are valid and he may well fail here, this situation is completely different. And he’s actually made a lot of good decisions so far irrespective of what happens after sacking Cowley and appointing Corberán. The jury is very much out on the Cowleys at this level, they arrested the slide but we looked utterly clueless in some matches and didn’t score a goal from open play in 6 games near the end of the season. This is with a potential England player on loan from arsenal at number 10. Not good enough by a long chalk. I’d have stuck with the Cowleys and was surprised they were binned. It was ruthless but I don’t mind that, it’s a ruthless game. Do you think we want a manager in awe of the tactics of our biggest rivals or one that can implement them?
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Post by iangreaves on Aug 4, 2020 9:04:43 GMT 1
I think the squad cowley inherited.was miles better on paper. Though the attitude far worse. Both teams were pretty poor championship teams. I just think a lot in football is perception. Powell left us towards the bottom of the championship and is mocked and derided.. And don't forget he won league one with Charlton a couple of seasons earlier. Cowleys left us when we towards the bottom of the championship having won league Two with Lincoln. And some on here think they are the second coming. Im far from the cowleys biggest fans........but they came in, did what was asked and were let go to be replaced by an inexperienced new no.1 who wont control the one thing weve been abysmal at for 2 yrs - recruitment. Thats fine providing there is a plan behind it and the new man gets time and backing. If not, then some will rightly question is going on. Theres seems to be alot of knee jerk decision making going on and has been for some time. Siewert hastily appointed, clearly out of his depth in the prem as the club itself was and then booted after barely 6 games the following year. We chase the Cowleys for weeks, eventually get them and then they too are gone in unceremonious circumstances and hastily replaced. The DOF role seems to have a revolving door - how many now in the last 3 or 4 yrs?! PH has made a bold call - only time will tell if its the right one. Yes, the big worry for me is that those responsible for the absolutely shocking player recruitment of the last few years will apparently carry on handling player recruitment. For me, probably the biggest benefit of appointing the Cowleys was their insistence that they would be reponsinle for player recruitment.
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Post by specialun on Aug 4, 2020 9:23:21 GMT 1
Fans call Siewart a ‘PE teacher’ and demand he is sacked. We sack him and appoint an actual, former PE teacher. Our former PE teacher forever bangs on about how he wants to learn from Bielsa. We sack him and replace him with someone who actually worked with, and learned from, Bielsa. Funny how things work out. Forget leaning from Bielsa *...He can now learn from the Chairman / owner / former non league owner / recruitment committee member / former junior football coach / former football agent / very very successful business man / civil litigation legal firm owner / mate of dean
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Post by dugnet on Aug 4, 2020 9:41:45 GMT 1
Time will be the judge of if the decision to move on from the Cowleys is a good one, or not.
Cowley is right to give his side and he is understandably keen to maintain the brand he was building. I am sure he and Nicky will be a success, I thank them for what they did and wish them well.
As for PH he firstly needs to ignore this (we know he is capable of throwing the toys out) as he also has much to prove. How good would it be if both PH and DC were proved right? Ultimately everyone is a winner.
What depresses me about this it is another kick into our football club. Journalists who loved the DW story will be sharpening their pencils to quickly redress the balance.
If Fulham are promoted tonight it will be two teams promoted back to the Premier League. But what about Huddersfield? The team that were so well managed, scraped away from relegation amid turmoil and murky take over deals. You know exactly what to expect. It shouldn't be lost that Henry Winter who was a positive advocate for our club did the interview with DC.
What both PH and DC don't consider is that the club is essentially us, the fans. I am not naive enough to think this debate wouldn't have happened but it's another dig in our ribs. It may not hurt PH or DC but after getting so much positive attention to have more negativity placed our way is taking it's toll. As fans we need to stop the cycle or more accurately we need those who can to start giving us some hope. I really hope this narrative doesn't linger on. PH can do his bit by saying nothing. DC has no loyalty to us but I would hope he'd remember that fans appreciated the job done and how many fans supported him and his brother when the news broke.
I would like to think that this is the episode that draws a line under the past two years and we all move on. As I say time will tell.
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Post by bigtruck on Aug 4, 2020 9:50:06 GMT 1
Time will be the judge of if the decision to move on from the Cowleys is a good one, or not. Cowley is right to give his side and he is understandably keen to maintain the brand he was building. I am sure he and Nicky will be a success, I thank them for what they did and wish them well. As for PH he firstly needs to ignore this (we know he is capable of throwing the toys out) as he also has much to prove. How good would it be if both PH and DC were proved right? Ultimately everyone is a winner. What depresses me about this it is another kick into our football club. Journalists who loved the DW story will be sharpening their pencils to quickly redress the balance. If Fulham are promoted tonight it will be two teams promoted back to the Premier League. But what about Huddersfield? The team that were so well managed, scraped away from relegation amid turmoil and murky take over deals. You know exactly what to expect. It shouldn't be lost that Henry Winter who was a positive advocate for our club did the interview with DC. What both PH and DC don't consider is that the club is essentially us, the fans. I am not naive enough to think this debate wouldn't have happened but it's another dig in our ribs. It may not hurt PH or DC but after getting so much positive attention to have more negativity placed our way is taking it's toll. As fans we need to stop the cycle or more accurately we need those who can to start giving us some hope. I really hope this narrative doesn't linger on. PH can do his bit by saying nothing. DC has no loyalty to us but I would hope he'd remember that fans appreciated the job done and how many fans supported him and his brother when the news broke. I would like to think that this is the episode that draws a line under the past two years and we all move on. As I say time will tell. If PH stays quiet then i'll take that as he's learning. I don't expect him to though. I know this is just DC's side of things and taken most of it with a pinch of salt. The one thing that resonates with me though is PH getting involved behind DCs back. The coaching badges comment just rings true with everything we know/heard about PH. It's certainly not doing anything to negate the egotistic mantle he's rumoured to have.
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Post by schindlersmissed on Aug 4, 2020 9:50:42 GMT 1
A load of self congratulatory, name dropping, sniping, and sniveling guff was that article. There was zero humility in that article, from claiming to be the savior of Lincoln because they were in mourning to referencing how supportive he was of his wife’s achievements and claiming that Phil thinks DC will prove him wrong. The name dropping, made me sick. I’m not surprised that DC took a shot at Phil being an interfering owner because that was an easy pot shot knowing the fans have used this before. The pot shot at West Ham being soulless will raise an eyebrow or two amongst owners, least West Ham. If West Ham have actually heard of them, the Cowley brothers won’t be managing there ever after that, even if they were improve their football(which I can’t personally see). The football was nothing short of diabolical and I didn’t see any improvement above what any player was capable, under their management. The sideline antics, while amusing to start with became embarrassing as they used them too often that refs started to ignore them whether they had a point or not. Town made a mistake by letting JS to start the season and you can be sure that they weren’t going to make the same mistake twice.
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Post by schindlersmissed on Aug 4, 2020 9:56:30 GMT 1
A load of self congratulatory, name dropping, sniping, and sniveling guff was that article. There was zero humility in that article, from claiming to be the savior of Lincoln because they were in mourning to referencing how supportive he was of his wife’s achievements and claiming that Phil thinks DC will prove him wrong. The name dropping, made me sick. I’m not surprised that DC took a shot at Phil being an interfering owner because that was an easy pot shot knowing the fans have used this before. The pot shot at West Ham being soulless will raise an eyebrow or two amongst owners, least West Ham. If West Ham have actually heard of them, the Cowley brothers won’t be managing there ever after that, even if they were improve their football(which I can’t personally see). The football was nothing short of diabolical and I didn’t see any improvement above what any player was capable, under their management. The sideline antics, while amusing to start with became embarrassing as they used them too often that refs started to ignore them whether they had a point or not. Town made a mistake by letting JS to start the season and you can be sure that they weren’t going to make the same mistake twice. I think the ‘diabolical football’ comment is a case of if you repeat a thing enough times it becomes accepted as being true. Some of the attacking football played against Reading, Birmingham, Bristol and Charlton at least was excellent and if there’d been more end product generally this season then ‘diabolical football’ comments would be few and far between. Having watched through the 70s such comments make me smile!
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Post by conman on Aug 4, 2020 10:01:28 GMT 1
To provide some context. PH coached his sons team for about 2 seasons because like lots of clubs other parents weren’t prepared to give the time. He ran an agency briefly that was basically passed players from the then previous and now current Southport manager and none are playing above conference level or have done. lastly he was Southport chairman briefly and yes lots of mutterings about interference and strong opinions ( lots of staff turnover on and off the field) and he appointed a very inexperienced at the level manager in ex Bolton forward Kevin Davies and it was a disaster. He also sold a vision and delivered very little of it and then his dream move came up to Town and not many if any miss him at Southport but the club has survived but over spent massively under PH brief tenure. Which interestingly included a link up with Town for younger players to go on loan but not one did. Premier league at the time to Conf North a bit of a gulf. the bit I find distasteful in all this and since PH commencement is the constant leaking of information and BS from the club. vision, change of philosophy or cloth cutting. The fact is the Crowley’s were what they were prior to being appointed and had/have a big time reputation in the game and not universally popular but not sure they received what they were promised during the recruitment process from PH. Due diligence again. It would be like selling a football club to a former shirt sponsor whom was late in making payments on tranches of their sponsorship deal and the club actively having to look for a potential replacement in early part of that season, now you wouldn’t do that would you? It’s turned into a soap opera and won’t end well. "BS"?.. Is that Barry Shearman, Bull Shit or both ?
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Aug 4, 2020 10:25:00 GMT 1
A lacking of "class, humility and respect"
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 4, 2020 10:36:46 GMT 1
Agree with every word there shaws. Cowleys did a good job but I can live with them not being our managers. What does concern me is the constant change at every level at the club. If it's Phil feeling his way in for a year that's one thing. But if we are here in another years time with two more coaches departed, a new dof, a new challenge mmerciaknmanager, a new tea lady, a new vision etc then it's alarm bells. It certainly will be if we’ve hired a “Challenge mmerciaknmanager” because nobody has ever heard of that role and what it entails and it sounds like Phil is hammered and just making roles up with that one. Haha I've put myself forward for the role. And missed the fact I have fat fingers off my cv
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 4, 2020 10:47:33 GMT 1
Fans call Siewart a ‘PE teacher’ and demand he is sacked. We sack him and appoint an actual, former PE teacher. Our former PE teacher forever bangs on about how he wants to learn from Bielsa. We sack him and replace him with someone who actually worked with, and learned from, Bielsa. Funny how things work out. Doesn't mean he's going to be any good. Bobby Robson recommended Mick Wadsworth and look how that turned out. Mick Wadsworth was a 'match observer' and part time coach for the FA during Robson's spell as England manager, with a modest bit of success at Carlisle a good few years earlier. Corberan was one of Bielsa's most important staff members in the side that went up as champions this year and were unlucky not to go up last year. A lot of people seem to be making the Wadsworth comparison but I don't think it's really fair to apply it to Corberan unless he turns out badly.
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Post by sandgrounder on Aug 4, 2020 10:58:54 GMT 1
To provide some context. PH coached his sons team for about 2 seasons because like lots of clubs other parents weren’t prepared to give the time. He ran an agency briefly that was basically passed players from the then previous and now current Southport manager and none are playing above conference level or have done. lastly he was Southport chairman briefly and yes lots of mutterings about interference and strong opinions ( lots of staff turnover on and off the field) and he appointed a very inexperienced at the level manager in ex Bolton forward Kevin Davies and it was a disaster. He also sold a vision and delivered very little of it and then his dream move came up to Town and not many if any miss him at Southport but the club has survived but over spent massively under PH brief tenure. Which interestingly included a link up with Town for younger players to go on loan but not one did. Premier league at the time to Conf North a bit of a gulf. the bit I find distasteful in all this and since PH commencement is the constant leaking of information and BS from the club. vision, change of philosophy or cloth cutting. The fact is the Crowley’s were what they were prior to being appointed and had/have a big time reputation in the game and not universally popular but not sure they received what they were promised during the recruitment process from PH. Due diligence again. It would be like selling a football club to a former shirt sponsor whom was late in making payments on tranches of their sponsorship deal and the club actively having to look for a potential replacement in early part of that season, now you wouldn’t do that would you? It’s turned into a soap opera and won’t end well. You’re the Southport fan that keeps on popping up to have a go at PH aren’t you? You have an axe to grind which hardly makes you impartial although I don’t doubt that most of what you say is true. There’s definite worries about PH and it could well be a disastrous reign. Plenty of warning signs, he does seem a bit volatile and there are lots of concerns that he doesn’t have deep enough pockets for this level. But the ‘constant leaking of information and BS from the club’ you’ll have to expand on if you want me to take you seriously. There weren’t any leaks against the Cowleys when they were in charge. Murmurings after lockdown on here but that was people that work at the club hinting at things rather than a campaign by the club. It might have always been the plan to have the Cowleys in fire fighting for a short time and then replace them with someone that plays forward thinking, high pressing football. Did that occur to you? You realise this was our model before the Cowleys and it got us promoted to the premier league 3 years ago don’t you? Given that it gave us our most successful period in over 40 years it would be crazy if we scrapped that model just because Wagner ran out of steam and we had a car crash appointment in Siewert. The Cowleys have proved nothing at this level and it’s a huge jump from lower leagues to the championship. The egos, the tactics, the calibre of players and managers. With respect, a lot of what PH tried to do at Southport probably failed because you’re a non league team. We aren’t and he’s got a team to help him do it - the chief exec has been brought in from Brentford because they have the model there, embedded more deeply than we had. So whilst your criticisms of PH are valid and he may well fail here, this situation is completely different. And he’s actually made a lot of good decisions so far irrespective of what happens after sacking Cowley and appointing Corberán. The jury is very much out on the Cowleys at this level, they arrested the slide but we looked utterly clueless in some matches and didn’t score a goal from open play in 6 games near the end of the season. This is with a potential England player on loan from arsenal at number 10. Not good enough by a long chalk. I’d have stuck with the Cowleys and was surprised they were binned. It was ruthless but I don’t mind that, it’s a ruthless game. Do you think we want a manager in awe of the tactics of our biggest rivals or one that can implement them? FYI, I have been a Town fan for 33 years. Watch football up an down the pyramid and as for having a go at PH then i'd be the first to say he is not the custodian of the football club i would want (for some reasons i wouldn't share on this forum) and i cant understand what DH was thinking of bar the obvious ££. So i can only conclude his judgement was clouded. The leaking of information is a simple one. Things come out before they happen and certain people (don't work at the club, may do podcasts by way of example) are clearly in the know before things actually become public knowledge. Suppose they must have journalistic so called reliable sources? I don't want to hear our Chairman on talksport discussing anything bar our club and PH just needs to keep his head down. In terms of Cowley's being a short term plan all along (did i think of that yes but do i think that was the plan NO) there were other more cost effective options of fire fighting for that job and that wasn't what they or we were sold. Mis-selling something that covers his Southport tenure and his business dealings. Good decisions i look forward to those examples? As for the Wagner revolution. We struck gold once and more luck than judgement in my humble opinion. DH's track record on managerial appointments was patchy at best. Can we repeat it, if only it were that simple. Fingers crossed but it ain't an overnight fix as the club on the playing squad side is currently woeful, hence, the performances you rightly reference but not sure we can place the blame for that at the Cowley's door. 3 windows remember? One thing i'm sure we agree on and you can take me seriously on is lets hope Carlos works out well and better times are ahead!
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 4, 2020 11:13:28 GMT 1
I think the ‘diabolical football’ comment is a case of if you repeat a thing enough times it becomes accepted as being true. Some of the attacking football played against Reading, Birmingham, Bristol and Charlton at least was excellent and if there’d been more end product generally this season then ‘diabolical football’ comments would be few and far between. Having watched through the 70s such comments make me smile! I’m down in Australia and get up in the middle of the night to watch the games. I can put up with a lot but the Cowleys had cracked my enjoyment and I stopped getting up to watch it live and would rather watch a replay the next morning if we got a result and not at all if we lost. It was diabolical to me.
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Post by Camel Grabber on Aug 4, 2020 11:30:22 GMT 1
I think the ‘diabolical football’ comment is a case of if you repeat a thing enough times it becomes accepted as being true. Some of the attacking football played against Reading, Birmingham, Bristol and Charlton at least was excellent and if there’d been more end product generally this season then ‘diabolical football’ comments would be few and far between. Having watched through the 70s such comments make me smile! 10 home games where we didn't score a goal = diabolical
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 11:42:00 GMT 1
I think the ‘diabolical football’ comment is a case of if you repeat a thing enough times it becomes accepted as being true. Some of the attacking football played against Reading, Birmingham, Bristol and Charlton at least was excellent and if there’d been more end product generally this season then ‘diabolical football’ comments would be few and far between. Having watched through the 70s such comments make me smile! 10 home games where we didn't score a goal = diabolical To be fair, of those 10 we didn't score in, Danny wasn't in charge for 2 of them and 1 was his first game in charge. 1 was against the best team in the league when our bench was full of academy players. 1 was against Brentford, the best attacking team in the league who we didn't concede to (home or away) and got a point. Then 3 were with no fans in the ground. It isn't great, but it isn't diabolical either.
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Post by mikececere on Aug 4, 2020 12:00:00 GMT 1
A load of self congratulatory, name dropping, sniping, and sniveling guff was that article. There was zero humility in that article, from claiming to be the savior of Lincoln because they were in mourning to referencing how supportive he was of his wife’s achievements and claiming that Phil thinks DC will prove him wrong. The name dropping, made me sick. I’m not surprised that DC took a shot at Phil being an interfering owner because that was an easy pot shot knowing the fans have used this before. The pot shot at West Ham being soulless will raise an eyebrow or two amongst owners, least West Ham. If West Ham have actually heard of them, the Cowley brothers won’t be managing there ever after that, even if they were improve their football(which I can’t personally see). The football was nothing short of diabolical and I didn’t see any improvement above what any player was capable, under their management. The sideline antics, while amusing to start with became embarrassing as they used them too often that refs started to ignore them whether they had a point or not. Town made a mistake by letting JS to start the season and you can be sure that they weren’t going to make the same mistake twice. Exactly awful football, unable to bring the best out of the squad, making players unavailable. Waffling on and on about being humble whilst behaving like a bully on the touchline. Ignoring the academy players. I hope we can put this to bed now as I've long forgotten these brothers.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 4, 2020 12:03:29 GMT 1
A load of self congratulatory, name dropping, sniping, and sniveling guff was that article. There was zero humility in that article, from claiming to be the savior of Lincoln because they were in mourning to referencing how supportive he was of his wife’s achievements and claiming that Phil thinks DC will prove him wrong. The name dropping, made me sick. I’m not surprised that DC took a shot at Phil being an interfering owner because that was an easy pot shot knowing the fans have used this before. The pot shot at West Ham being soulless will raise an eyebrow or two amongst owners, least West Ham. If West Ham have actually heard of them, the Cowley brothers won’t be managing there ever after that, even if they were improve their football(which I can’t personally see). The football was nothing short of diabolical and I didn’t see any improvement above what any player was capable, under their management. The sideline antics, while amusing to start with became embarrassing as they used them too often that refs started to ignore them whether they had a point or not. Town made a mistake by letting JS to start the season and you can be sure that they weren’t going to make the same mistake twice. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 4, 2020 12:12:26 GMT 1
Let's face it, these two made Powell's football look good.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 4, 2020 12:13:07 GMT 1
I think the ‘diabolical football’ comment is a case of if you repeat a thing enough times it becomes accepted as being true. Some of the attacking football played against Reading, Birmingham, Bristol and Charlton at least was excellent and if there’d been more end product generally this season then ‘diabolical football’ comments would be few and far between. Having watched through the 70s such comments make me smile! I’m down in Australia and get up in the middle of the night to watch the games. I can put up with a lot but the Cowleys had cracked my enjoyment and I stopped getting up to watch it live and would rather watch a replay the next morning if we got a result and not at all if we lost. It was diabolical to me. I stopped watching it live cos of the shite those 2 were producing and I only live 5 miles from the ground mate 😉
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 4, 2020 12:14:31 GMT 1
You’re the Southport fan that keeps on popping up to have a go at PH aren’t you? You have an axe to grind which hardly makes you impartial although I don’t doubt that most of what you say is true. There’s definite worries about PH and it could well be a disastrous reign. Plenty of warning signs, he does seem a bit volatile and there are lots of concerns that he doesn’t have deep enough pockets for this level. But the ‘constant leaking of information and BS from the club’ you’ll have to expand on if you want me to take you seriously. There weren’t any leaks against the Cowleys when they were in charge. Murmurings after lockdown on here but that was people that work at the club hinting at things rather than a campaign by the club. It might have always been the plan to have the Cowleys in fire fighting for a short time and then replace them with someone that plays forward thinking, high pressing football. Did that occur to you? You realise this was our model before the Cowleys and it got us promoted to the premier league 3 years ago don’t you? Given that it gave us our most successful period in over 40 years it would be crazy if we scrapped that model just because Wagner ran out of steam and we had a car crash appointment in Siewert. The Cowleys have proved nothing at this level and it’s a huge jump from lower leagues to the championship. The egos, the tactics, the calibre of players and managers. With respect, a lot of what PH tried to do at Southport probably failed because you’re a non league team. We aren’t and he’s got a team to help him do it - the chief exec has been brought in from Brentford because they have the model there, embedded more deeply than we had. So whilst your criticisms of PH are valid and he may well fail here, this situation is completely different. And he’s actually made a lot of good decisions so far irrespective of what happens after sacking Cowley and appointing Corberán. The jury is very much out on the Cowleys at this level, they arrested the slide but we looked utterly clueless in some matches and didn’t score a goal from open play in 6 games near the end of the season. This is with a potential England player on loan from arsenal at number 10. Not good enough by a long chalk. I’d have stuck with the Cowleys and was surprised they were binned. It was ruthless but I don’t mind that, it’s a ruthless game. Do you think we want a manager in awe of the tactics of our biggest rivals or one that can implement them? FYI, I have been a Town fan for 33 years. Watch football up an down the pyramid and as for having a go at PH then i'd be the first to say he is not the custodian of the football club i would want (for some reasons i wouldn't share on this forum) and i cant understand what DH was thinking of bar the obvious ££. So i can only conclude his judgement was clouded. The leaking of information is a simple one. Things come out before they happen and certain people (don't work at the club, may do podcasts by way of example) are clearly in the know before things actually become public knowledge. Suppose they must have journalistic so called reliable sources? I don't want to hear our Chairman on talksport discussing anything bar our club and PH just needs to keep his head down. In terms of Cowley's being a short term plan all along (did i think of that yes but do i think that was the plan NO) there were other more cost effective options of fire fighting for that job and that wasn't what they or we were sold. Mis-selling something that covers his Southport tenure and his business dealings. Good decisions i look forward to those examples? As for the Wagner revolution. We struck gold once and more luck than judgement in my humble opinion. DH's track record on managerial appointments was patchy at best. Can we repeat it, if only it were that simple. Fingers crossed but it ain't an overnight fix as the club on the playing squad side is currently woeful, hence, the performances you rightly reference but not sure we can place the blame for that at the Cowley's door. 3 windows remember? One thing i'm sure we agree on and you can take me seriously on is lets hope Carlos works out well and better times are ahead! Maybe it became the plan when they realised the 2 Rons didn't actually have a plan at all.
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