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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 21, 2020 9:57:03 GMT 1
Wigan's 12 point deduction will be applied on Wednesday after their Match against Fulham, the EFL have confirmed that. Wigan can appeal that but the points will be deducted on Wednesday. If Wigan are in the drop zone after that 12 point deduction, they will be deemed as being relegated but that could change if they win the appeal. Understood, thank you. But then that does pose a series of other questions: - When will they appeal? - How long will it take before Wigan know if they're successful in their appeal? - How does this impact the team that initially finished 22nd, and who thought they were safe? It's a mess. Wigan's appeal went in a fortnight ago - it's under consideration now.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 21, 2020 9:57:57 GMT 1
You are in a league, the first job is to win enough points not to be relegated.
You know there are disciplinary moves already in action that could bring a point deduction.
Its therefore bleeding obvious that every game becomes an even more serious issue.
Wigan seem to have gone bananas since the manager and team became aware of the ludicrous situation there and I sincerely hope they get enough points to stay up whatever.
Wendies have been arseing about on the fringes of rule breaking for some time and this has been coming even before last november..
Wigan got 9 games, wendies have had since last november..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 9:59:32 GMT 1
Understood, thank you. But then that does pose a series of other questions: - When will they appeal? - How long will it take before Wigan know if they're successful in their appeal? - How does this impact the team that initially finished 22nd, and who thought they were safe? It's a mess. Wigan's appeal went in a fortnight ago - it's under consideration now. I see. Well if it's already been two weeks then I suspect it shouldn't take too much longer. Hopefully everyone will know what's what and who's who by the close of play tomorrow night.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jul 21, 2020 10:01:39 GMT 1
Better for us that.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 21, 2020 10:19:33 GMT 1
Wigan's appeal went in a fortnight ago - it's under consideration now. I see. Well if it's already been two weeks then I suspect it shouldn't take too much longer. Hopefully everyone will know what's what and who's who by the close of play tomorrow night. Ha, ha, ha!! How long have you been a football supporter? You have heard of the mighty EFL, haven't you...?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 11:42:57 GMT 1
read the efl statement and that does not add up. qoute the 12 points will be deducted from wigan after tomorrows final games subject to appeal
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 21, 2020 11:45:49 GMT 1
That's better for us - now we're safe Not good for those clubs affected, but it shouldn't really still all be up in the air 36 hours before the final round of fixtures Aye, but don't agree, it should be this year and hope it is.
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Post by impact on Jul 21, 2020 11:49:41 GMT 1
Wigan's appeal went in a fortnight ago - it's under consideration now. I see. Well if it's already been two weeks then I suspect it shouldn't take too much longer. Hopefully everyone will know what's what and who's who by the close of play tomorrow night. I believe the timescale they give is up to 21 days from the point of appeal.
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Post by rantinray on Jul 21, 2020 12:24:59 GMT 1
Can someone please remind me: The clubs which have gone into admin, did they take the points deduction in that same season or the following season?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2020 12:25:17 GMT 1
I think the longer the EFL piss around with all of this, the better chance Wigan have of winning their appeal. You can't apply a 12-point deduction to a previous season in, for example, August, merely weeks before the start of the new season. Well, knowing the EFL they probably could do that, but it would be extremely harsh. It needs sorting within the next 7 days if Wigan's deduction is going to be applied to this season, in my opinion. Championship play off final isn't until August the 4th. Reckon there's at least a couple of weeks after that before the fixtures will be announced - that gives maybe up to 4 weeks or so to sort it out. Plenty time. If they end up relegated they should also start next season with a points deduction or a fine for a frivolous appeal too, a bit like the 'extra ban' that appealing red cards gets (or got, no idea if that still holds true?).
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 21, 2020 13:36:36 GMT 1
Can someone please remind me: The clubs which have gone into admin, did they take the points deduction in that same season or the following season? Same season unless they are relegated without the points removing
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Post by rantinray on Jul 21, 2020 13:47:36 GMT 1
Can someone please remind me: The clubs which have gone into admin, did they take the points deduction in that same season or the following season? Same season unless they are relegated without the points removing Thought so. Thanks.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 23, 2020 8:49:27 GMT 1
Who would be surprised if Wed are now given a 12 points deduction?
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Post by Dan on Jul 23, 2020 9:07:52 GMT 1
Who would be surprised if Wed are now given a 12 points deduction? Funny thing is that because of their awful form, 9 points (another number that was being banded about) would now do it. Can't see it though, it will be next season.
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Post by bogart on Jul 23, 2020 9:30:57 GMT 1
I think the EFL were sitting on the fence hoping Wigan would be 12 points above a relegation position. They could then have looked to be hard men and deducted the 12 which Wigan probably would have accepted. Wigan put a spanner in the works now needs the EFL to grow a pair. Not sure they have a pair between them all, am excluding the female board member in this .
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Post by Dan on Jul 23, 2020 9:41:22 GMT 1
I think the EFL were sitting on the fence hoping Wigan would be 12 points above a relegation position. They could then have looked to be hard men and deducted the 12 which Wigan probably would have accepted. Wigan put a spanner in the works now needs the EFL to grow a pair. Not sure they have a pair between them all, am excluding the female board member in this . The appeal is costing Wigan £400k and they get half of that back if they withdraw their appeal which they would have done if they'd stayed up, so yes the EFL would have kept the deduction. Not about them being hard men, its implementing a clear rule which has been in place for a number of years now. Go into administration, you get deducted 12 points. Simple.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:47:12 GMT 1
I see. Well if it's already been two weeks then I suspect it shouldn't take too much longer. Hopefully everyone will know what's what and who's who by the close of play tomorrow night. Ha, ha, ha!! How long have you been a football supporter? You have heard of the mighty EFL, haven't you...? the appeal will be heard a week on Friday .fact
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Post by dugnet on Jul 23, 2020 9:50:50 GMT 1
If you are a Wigan fan you have every right to feel more than a little bit shafted. The rules are the rules but it wasn't very clear how they would be applied.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:54:33 GMT 1
If you are a Wigan fan you have every right to feel more than a little bit shafted. The rules are the rules but it wasn't very clear how they would be applied.Why wasn't it clear? The EFL came out immediately after they went into Admin and said points would be deducted at the end of the season, unless they were in the bottom 3 in which they would be deducted next season. They can feel hard done by what the owners have done. I don't quite see how they win an appeal, if they do then it just gives the green light for a lot more clubs to do the same thing.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 23, 2020 9:54:34 GMT 1
If you are a Wigan fan you have every right to feel more than a little bit shafted. The rules are the rules but it wasn't very clear how they would be applied. I feel for the true Wigan fans and the team actually as they have been fantastic this calendar year. But the rules are crystal clear. How the chuff you go into admin only weeks after a take over though???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 9:59:09 GMT 1
I think the EFL were sitting on the fence hoping Wigan would be 12 points above a relegation position. They could then have looked to be hard men and deducted the 12 which Wigan probably would have accepted. Wigan put a spanner in the works now needs the EFL to grow a pair. Not sure they have a pair between them all, am excluding the female board member in this . What do you mean sitting on the fence? The 12 points gets applied after final whistle in the final games. There's an appeal but its held with an INDEPENDENT body, which has now been scheduled for a week tomorrow (31st of July - BEFORE the Play Offs are completed - so no other team is greatly impacted in regards to preparing for next season). The EFL have no power to speed up or slow down that process, and have consistently said "12 points deduction will be applied after the final game as per the rule, subject to the outcome of appeal" - what more can they have done?
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 23, 2020 10:36:06 GMT 1
But what about Wednesday? Could they still be in the relegation melting pot this season or is it more likely they will start on negative points next season (along with possibly Derby).
Or will the EFL just give them a slap on the wrist!
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 23, 2020 10:44:14 GMT 1
Think Wednesdays problem are mounting, struggling to pay wages, possibility of administration.
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Post by dugnet on Jul 23, 2020 10:45:39 GMT 1
If you are a Wigan fan you have every right to feel more than a little bit shafted. The rules are the rules but it wasn't very clear how they would be applied.Why wasn't it clear? The EFL came out immediately after they went into Admin and said points would be deducted at the end of the season, unless they were in the bottom 3 in which they would be deducted next season. They can feel hard done by what the owners have done. I don't quite see how they win an appeal, if they do then it just gives the green light for a lot more clubs to do the same thing. Perhaps the way it was reported that wasn't clear. I completely agree about the rules and I don't see their appeal has any chance of succeeding. What has gone on there seems very odd and very wrong.
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 23, 2020 10:47:48 GMT 1
Why wasn't it clear? The EFL came out immediately after they went into Admin and said points would be deducted at the end of the season, unless they were in the bottom 3 in which they would be deducted next season. They can feel hard done by what the owners have done. I don't quite see how they win an appeal, if they do then it just gives the green light for a lot more clubs to do the same thing. Perhaps the way it was reported that wasn't clear. I completely agree about the rules and I don't see their appeal has any chance of succeeding. What has gone on there seems very odd and very wrong. A wage bill of £19 mill for a start on average gates of 10000 seems a good starting point.
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Post by dugnet on Jul 23, 2020 10:54:27 GMT 1
Perhaps the way it was reported that wasn't clear. I completely agree about the rules and I don't see their appeal has any chance of succeeding. What has gone on there seems very odd and very wrong. A wage bill of £19 mill for a start on average gates of 10000 seems a good starting point. So the latest owners were buying something already fundamentally flawed? In which case what did they expect to achieve?
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 23, 2020 11:07:10 GMT 1
A wage bill of £19 mill for a start on average gates of 10000 seems a good starting point. So the latest owners were buying something already fundamentally flawed? In which case what did they expect to achieve? It’s probably an ego thing, you could go through the Championship and you will end up with 10/15 clubs hovering over the administration trap door, eg. Forest, Reading, Wednesday, Derby,Swansea, there’s more to go , and just look at the retained lists, Wednesday have one forward left, Rhodes.
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Post by dugnet on Jul 23, 2020 11:10:05 GMT 1
So the latest owners were buying something already fundamentally flawed? In which case what did they expect to achieve? It’s probably an ego thing, you could go through the Championship and you will end up with 10/15 clubs hovering over the administration trap door, eg. Forest, Reading, Wednesday, Derby,Swansea, there’s more to go , and just look at the retained lists, Wednesday have one forward left, Rhodes. And this highlights the potential opportunity there is for a well run club.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 23, 2020 11:40:21 GMT 1
I think the EFL were sitting on the fence hoping Wigan would be 12 points above a relegation position. They could then have looked to be hard men and deducted the 12 which Wigan probably would have accepted. Wigan put a spanner in the works now needs the EFL to grow a pair. Not sure they have a pair between them all, am excluding the female board member in this . What do you mean sitting on the fence? The 12 points gets applied after final whistle in the final games. There's an appeal but its held with an INDEPENDENT body, which has now been scheduled for a week tomorrow (31st of July - BEFORE the Play Offs are completed - so no other team is greatly impacted in regards to preparing for next season). The EFL have no power to speed up or slow down that process, and have consistently said "12 points deduction will be applied after the final game as per the rule, subject to the outcome of appeal" - what more can they have done? It still makes things difficult for Barnsley though. This close season is already going to be shorter than normal, although that affects everyone. But if Wigan win their appeal, Barnsley go down. How can they plan for next season if they are still not 100% sure which division they are going to be in?
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 23, 2020 11:43:21 GMT 1
What do you mean sitting on the fence? The 12 points gets applied after final whistle in the final games. There's an appeal but its held with an INDEPENDENT body, which has now been scheduled for a week tomorrow (31st of July - BEFORE the Play Offs are completed - so no other team is greatly impacted in regards to preparing for next season). The EFL have no power to speed up or slow down that process, and have consistently said "12 points deduction will be applied after the final game as per the rule, subject to the outcome of appeal" - what more can they have done? It still makes things difficult for Barnsley though. This close season is already going to be shorter than normal, although that affects everyone. But if Wigan win their appeal, Barnsley go down. How can they plan for next season if they are still not 100% sure which division they are going to be in? Wigan are going down, end off.
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