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Post by goodbet on Jul 23, 2020 11:46:15 GMT 1
It’s probably an ego thing, you could go through the Championship and you will end up with 10/15 clubs hovering over the administration trap door, eg. Forest, Reading, Wednesday, Derby,Swansea, there’s more to go , and just look at the retained lists, Wednesday have one forward left, Rhodes. And this highlights the potential opportunity there is for a well run club. Good luck to that club if there is one in the Championship! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 11:52:02 GMT 1
What do you mean sitting on the fence? The 12 points gets applied after final whistle in the final games. There's an appeal but its held with an INDEPENDENT body, which has now been scheduled for a week tomorrow (31st of July - BEFORE the Play Offs are completed - so no other team is greatly impacted in regards to preparing for next season). The EFL have no power to speed up or slow down that process, and have consistently said "12 points deduction will be applied after the final game as per the rule, subject to the outcome of appeal" - what more can they have done? It still makes things difficult for Barnsley though. This close season is already going to be shorter than normal, although that affects everyone. But if Wigan win their appeal, Barnsley go down. How can they plan for next season if they are still not 100% sure which division they are going to be in? They'll know what division they're in before when two of Brentford, Fulham, Cardiff and Swansea will (and only a day or two after the losing play off semi finalists will). And I would suggest that the difference and planning changes (on and off the field) comparing Championship to EPL is massively more difficult to sort out than the difference between Championship or League 1? |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 23, 2020 11:59:16 GMT 1
It still makes things difficult for Barnsley though. This close season is already going to be shorter than normal, although that affects everyone. But if Wigan win their appeal, Barnsley go down. How can they plan for next season if they are still not 100% sure which division they are going to be in? They'll know what division they're in before when two of Brentford, Fulham, Cardiff and Swansea will (and only a day or two after the losing play off semi finalists will). And I would suggest that the difference and planning changes (on and off the field) comparing Championship to EPL is massively more difficult to sort out than the difference between Championship or League 1? Yes but that's always been the case for the teams in the play-offs, and no club is going to turn down a place in those. Barnsley shouldn't have to be in this position. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 12:03:45 GMT 1
They'll know what division they're in before when two of Brentford, Fulham, Cardiff and Swansea will (and only a day or two after the losing play off semi finalists will). And I would suggest that the difference and planning changes (on and off the field) comparing Championship to EPL is massively more difficult to sort out than the difference between Championship or League 1? Yes but that's always been the case for the teams in the play-offs, and no club is going to turn down a place in those. Barnsley shouldn't have to be in this position. Well they are, and it makes things slightly more difficult for them than they might have expected, but its not really the end of the world. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 23, 2020 12:05:06 GMT 1
They'll know what division they're in before when two of Brentford, Fulham, Cardiff and Swansea will (and only a day or two after the losing play off semi finalists will). And I would suggest that the difference and planning changes (on and off the field) comparing Championship to EPL is massively more difficult to sort out than the difference between Championship or League 1? Yes but that's always been the case for the teams in the play-offs, and no club is going to turn down a place in those. Barnsley shouldn't have to be in this position. Yes they should, they’ve been in the relegation positions most of the season, anyway it’s not us so why all the concern, move on ffs. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 23, 2020 12:25:43 GMT 1
Yes but that's always been the case for the teams in the play-offs, and no club is going to turn down a place in those. Barnsley shouldn't have to be in this position. Yes they should, they’ve been in the relegation positions most of the season, anyway it’s not us so why all the concern, move on ffs. The concern is to do with the integrity of football. It may not be us now but it could be at some other time. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 23, 2020 12:38:40 GMT 1
Yes they should, they’ve been in the relegation positions most of the season, anyway it’s not us so why all the concern, move on ffs. The concern is to do with the integrity of football. It may not be us now but it could be at some other time. Doesn't exist. Sold out in 1992. |
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Post by softboy on Jul 23, 2020 15:02:46 GMT 1
I heard one of the Administrators of Wigan on Talkshite this morning saying they had accepted a preferred bidder for the club who had until midday today to come up with confirmation from their Solicitor/Accountant that they had deposited sufficent funds to buy the club. This was about 11.45am. Good luck with that.
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Post by softboy on Jul 24, 2020 18:26:55 GMT 1
I heard one of the Administrators of Wigan on Talkshite this morning saying they had accepted a preferred bidder for the club who had until midday today to come up with confirmation from their Solicitor/Accountant that they had deposited sufficent funds to buy the club. This was about 11.45am. Good luck with that. I know I am answering my own message but nobody with any brain cells are going to buy Wigan before the appeal on Friday. Why would you pay money now if the price will be significantly less a week tomorrow if they go down. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 25, 2020 9:26:56 GMT 1
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 25, 2020 9:30:20 GMT 1
I like that. Well said, Barnsley - honest statements. I wonder which club hasn't coughed up the transfer fee owed to them? |
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Post by Champers on Jul 25, 2020 9:31:01 GMT 1
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Post by iangreaves on Jul 25, 2020 9:38:51 GMT 1
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Post by softboy on Jul 25, 2020 9:55:42 GMT 1
The EFL hoped that Wigan would end up 12 points plus above the bottom 3 and sadly for them their plan didn't work.
I cannot image being in the position of Barnsley, players, fans etc not knowing till next Friday whether they are staying up or not.
Wigan Athletic Football Club (Administrators) should accept their punishment and more on - instead the EFL allowed them to sell a player outside the transfer for £500k essentially so they could fund this spurious appeal.
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Post by houllierspal on Jul 25, 2020 10:02:18 GMT 1
“Integrity of football?” What little there is left was completely lost when the authorities decided to resume the season without fans (IMO) - for me the season should have been cancelled completely or next best suspended until it was safe to resume - with fans
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 25, 2020 10:16:01 GMT 1
You do wonder how long it could go on. If Wigan are successful in their appeal Barnsley will definitely take action in a bid to stay up and I have no idea how long that could last. The whole thing wants a complete overhaul but it won’t happen.
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Post by softboy on Jul 25, 2020 10:35:59 GMT 1
As I see it for the Wigan appeal to be successful the Administators have to prove : beyond reasonable doubt: that a totally unexpected event occured that gave the Directors no option but to place the club into Administation. Yet the Administrators have been on Talkshite quite often and openly said they are still trying to establish exactly why Wigan went into Administration so the 2 don’t tie up. Given that Barnley will loose a significant amount of TV income, season ticket income, match day income, sponsorship etc I would expect Barnsley to take action which is then a further 3/4 weeks.
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 25, 2020 10:45:19 GMT 1
“Integrity of football?” What little there is left was completely lost when the authorities decided to resume the season without fans (IMO) - for me the season should have been cancelled completely or next best suspended until it was safe to resume - with fans Also having 5 subs, water breaks etc it has made a mockery of it. Not been a fair competition |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 11:12:22 GMT 1
Wigan will start in league one imo and rightly so.
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Post by Champers on Jul 25, 2020 11:19:19 GMT 1
A lot of folk feel sorry for the wigan supporters but I cannot share that sentiment at all. Bunch of loudmouth, arrogant Jonny-come-lately's who always seem to be spoiling for a fight. I hope they go bust, etc, etc.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 25, 2020 12:02:09 GMT 1
A lot of folk feel sorry for the wigan supporters but I cannot share that sentiment at all. Bunch of loudmouth, arrogant Jonny-come-lately's who always seem to be spoiling for a fight. I hope they go bust, etc, etc. I've got a friend who supports Scunthorpe who feels exactly like you. Wigan, who were already promoted, put out a second strength team against Bradford who beat them 3 - 0 and took the final play off spot from Scunthorpe. So he's quite happy to see them relegated. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 26, 2020 9:57:44 GMT 1
Will the fixture list show
V wigan/Barnsley
Farce...
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 26, 2020 11:00:50 GMT 1
A lot of folk feel sorry for the wigan supporters but I cannot share that sentiment at all. Bunch of loudmouth, arrogant Jonny-come-lately's who always seem to be spoiling for a fight. I hope they go bust, etc, etc. I've got a friend who supports Scunthorpe who feels exactly like you. Wigan, who were already promoted, put out a second strength team against Bradford who beat them 3 - 0 and took the final play off spot from Scunthorpe. So he's quite happy to see them relegated. Didn't we do the same at Birmingham in the promotion season? I wonder if Schofield would have played the same side if Millwall had still had a chance of the play offs. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 26, 2020 11:07:12 GMT 1
I've got a friend who supports Scunthorpe who feels exactly like you. Wigan, who were already promoted, put out a second strength team against Bradford who beat them 3 - 0 and took the final play off spot from Scunthorpe. So he's quite happy to see them relegated. I wonder if Schofield would have played the same side if Millwall had still had a chance of the play offs. I've resisted posting that fact for a week or so now. Blackburn manager Mowbray moaned like hell that we got them sent down when we capitulated at Brum although, truth be told, the First XI would probably have wilted just as badly in the face of the pressure of the crowd at Brum's last home game and with that shyster Redknapp in full flow. |
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Post by diceman on Jul 26, 2020 11:10:06 GMT 1
A teams final place is a reflection of their season. Not the conciqence of a single game.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 26, 2020 11:42:31 GMT 1
I've got a friend who supports Scunthorpe who feels exactly like you. Wigan, who were already promoted, put out a second strength team against Bradford who beat them 3 - 0 and took the final play off spot from Scunthorpe. So he's quite happy to see them relegated. Didn't we do the same at Birmingham in the promotion season? I wonder if Schofield would have played the same side if Millwall had still had a chance of the play offs. Yes we did, and I know Mowbray moaned about it, but I was just pointing out someone who is quite happy to see Wigan get properly punished and relegated. What we did led to a rule change on the make up of match day squads, although the squad we put out that day did comply with the new rule brought in, but the EFL still saw fit to fine us. Whilst we moan about Birmingham sending us down in 2001, Barnsley (ironically) sent a second team down to Portsmouth, got well beaten, which was one of the other results that sent us down. Still hate Nigel Spackman. The team at Millwall would probably have been quite different if either team had needed a result. |
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Post by tvor on May 8, 2021 14:40:46 GMT 1
Some good news for Wednesday fans. Rumours of investment from the Far East in time for next season. Lee Guan is the name to watch for.
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