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Post by terriertim on Jan 19, 2021 18:53:50 GMT 1
Welcome to the club Richard - now lets see what you can do !
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 19, 2021 19:06:56 GMT 1
So when Town ascended to the greedy league, how many would be thinking in 3 years time they will be, in all but words, loaning a 34 year old league one centre half to make up a team? I'd suggest that shows how far Town have fallen, and again, how badly the journey from the Premier League has gone. No? Tommy Elphick, Richard Stearman, Josh Koroma, Christopher Schindler, Alex Pritchard, Adama Diakhaby, Danny Grant, Isaac Mbenza, Naby Sarr, Carel Eiting and now Hogg. That is 11 first team senior players currently unavailable. Nothing to do with our 'journey from the Premier League'. We would have been completely knackered with 4 centre backs out back then as well. All squads suffer injurys. Fans have been screaming out for a long while that we need more bodies that are capable of competing in this division. This is no crisis, the people in charge of club have brought it on themselves.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 19, 2021 19:11:30 GMT 1
Certainly not blown away by this signing but it plugs a gap. The club have at least learnt their lesson and only signed Him on a short term deal. Happy to allow Him to do His talking on the pitch and leave His previous off-field indiscretions in the past When I heard the rumours, I was like ' '. I'll possibly be saying it again if (and it is an 'if') we have two of our other experienced CBs back in the very short-term. However, having listened to the explanation, including he should be able to hit the ground running, and considering it's a six month deal, I really don't think it's remotely as daft as it first sounded.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 19, 2021 19:13:03 GMT 1
Tommy Elphick, Richard Stearman, Josh Koroma, Christopher Schindler, Alex Pritchard, Adama Diakhaby, Danny Grant, Isaac Mbenza, Naby Sarr, Carel Eiting and now Hogg. That is 11 first team senior players currently unavailable. Nothing to do with our 'journey from the Premier League'. We would have been completely knackered with 4 centre backs out back then as well. All squads suffer injurys. Fans have been screaming out for a long while that we need more bodies that are capable of competing in this division. This is no crisis, the people in charge of club have brought it on themselves. How many centre backs do you expect the squad to have?
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 19, 2021 19:28:03 GMT 1
Just seen a bit of his interview on Twitter, I always thought he was properly Irish rather than someone who qualified to play for them. Either that or he did well to lose his accent. You're thinking of Roy Keane He's been approached about a six month deal too I'd rather have Keane, Jesus fucking wept.. It's like a knackers yard for over the hill CBs!
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Post by birchencliffe on Jan 19, 2021 19:46:15 GMT 1
good luck to the lad
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Post by alex on Jan 19, 2021 20:01:20 GMT 1
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Post by cheesyhtfc on Jan 19, 2021 20:02:04 GMT 1
An ideal scenario is that we have 2 experienced CBs and 2 inexperienced CBs, as that gives us the opportunity to rotate whilst also developing the younger players. All 4 of our experienced CBs are currently injured (though it sounds like Sarr may be back soon), and I can't imagine that there is a huge queue of experienced Championship-level CBs available to come on a short-term basis (particularly knowing that they are likely to play second fiddle to Sarr for most of that time).
With that in mind, it seems to me to be a decent enough sticking plaster signing. He has recent Championship experience and allows us to rotate with Sarr when necessary, without relying too heavily on REG and Crichlow (also allowing them to rotate when necessary). We aren't committed to keeping him (or, indeed, any of our experienced CBs bar Sarr) beyond this season, so we have an opportunity to decide what we want to do at the end of the season (potentially freeing up 4 wages to bring in, amongst others, at least one CB who (1) is in their prime, and (2) fits our system). Who knows; he may also turn out to be a good influence in the changing room, meaning he could be a useful addition to the backroom staff (I don't think it is a bad thing to cultivate a reputation as a club that values pathways for both the playing and non-playing staff).
Understanding, and being satisfied with, our transfer activity this season is much easier when it is accepted/appreciated that (1) we are two years into a three year consolidation and restructuring, and (2) that process is a necessary consequence of mistakes made in the second PL season (which none of the current board/staff can be blamed for). It's a process of pruning an expensive squad and replacing it when possible without breaking the bank to do so. That means that the odd sticking plaster will need to be applied from time to time - someone to come in, fill a gap, and do a job for a short period of time; even if they are unspectacular.
As much as some have higher aspirations, after the last two seasons (and the majority of our Championship experience since 2012) I'd be perfectly happy with us getting to the end of the season without relegation battle, releasing the highest earners who are out of contract, and doing what we can to replace them with shrewd signings who fit the system with a view to pushing for playoffs next season. If we can also bring some yongsters through this year, such that they are closer to regular first team action next season, then even better.
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Post by thrice on Jan 19, 2021 20:03:40 GMT 1
A welcome addition to the squad under the circumstances.
However I do fear that he will simply add to our "crocked" list before too long.
Shocked that he has managed 21 games already this season after over 12 months out with a serious knee injury at his age.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 19, 2021 20:04:28 GMT 1
He could be right up Carlos' street here with this surprising stat
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 19, 2021 20:05:27 GMT 1
Tommy Elphick, Richard Stearman, Josh Koroma, Christopher Schindler, Alex Pritchard, Adama Diakhaby, Danny Grant, Isaac Mbenza, Naby Sarr, Carel Eiting and now Hogg. That is 11 first team senior players currently unavailable. Nothing to do with our 'journey from the Premier League'. We would have been completely knackered with 4 centre backs out back then as well. All squads suffer injurys. Fans have been screaming out for a long while that we need more bodies that are capable of competing in this division. This is no crisis, the people in charge of club have brought it on themselves. Schindler Stearman Elphick Sarr REG Crichlow 6 centre backs registered at the club. 8 if you include Vallejo and Olagunju. Keogh makes 9. How many would you suggest that the club had, given that most of the time there's only two on the pitch at once?
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Post by htfctx on Jan 19, 2021 20:19:39 GMT 1
He could be right up Carlos' street here with this surprising stat We've definitely needed this, Hogg covers, in behind.
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 19, 2021 20:23:31 GMT 1
All squads suffer injurys. Fans have been screaming out for a long while that we need more bodies that are capable of competing in this division. This is no crisis, the people in charge of club have brought it on themselves. How many centre backs do you expect the squad to have? Maybe if we didnt sign old has beens in that position on there final hurrah we wouldnt have a problem, rather than bringing another one in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2021 20:28:12 GMT 1
Jesus wept. Lincoln to Richard Keogh in less than a month. What a club. If the club offsets this signing with Lincoln or another exciting signing then fair dos.... if its Duane Holmes it will seriously impact on season ticket sales for next season. Towhee why don't you grow up you are so lacking in football no how you need to take a rest
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Post by drumriggend on Jan 19, 2021 20:28:33 GMT 1
He’s a fooookin terrier now..
All t drama queens shurrup moaning..
Welcome Richard...
Ps..
Can you organise our Xmas party??
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 19, 2021 20:34:09 GMT 1
Where are people getting this notion he isn’t a good player from? Speak to Derby fans, the majority will say he was brilliant for them on the whole, a team that generally tended to be at the top end of the league. His 300 appearances over 7 seasons for them suggests he’s not a bad player.. Agree. Some fans seem to have developed a real deluded arrogance over the past 2 or 3 years. The blokes spent most of the last few years playing for a side at the top end of this division. Captaining it. Hes a leader on the pitch, hugely experienced at this level--- two things we lack massively with the current injuries.. Its a short term deal to cover for a bizarre amount of injuries in one position. Were not giving him a 3 year deal FFS! He'll be a good signing. And all you get is moan moan moan. What are people expecting? that we go out and spend £10m on someone? Weve had the same enormous outgoings as ever, but have barely had an income for the last year! Rather than speaking to Derby fans where he played his last game in the middle of 2019 before suffering the car injury from being a bellend. Why dont you ask MK Don's fans about him. 15th in the league below and looking on there forum they arnt arsed at all hes left. Another Stearman and Elphick. Once good in there prime and now on there last legs getting a final wage packet with the only club in the championship daft enough to sign them.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 19, 2021 20:36:10 GMT 1
Yeau bit RIGHT NOW we need some experience across the back line . He will play tomorrow. Good short term deal imo
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Post by Jack on Jan 19, 2021 20:37:31 GMT 1
It's a car crash of a signing.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 19, 2021 20:40:19 GMT 1
They should be arsed hes left. Someone put a stat up to show theyve conceded a lot more goals when he hasnt been playing.
Im not expecting Rio Ferdinand in his prime. Just an experienced old head who can still play to a decent standard and means we dont have 2 very inexperienced, young, still physically weak, centre backs playing at the same time. When Stearmans back, and believe hes not too far away, id expect him and REG to get the starts, with Keogh on the bench.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 19, 2021 20:50:30 GMT 1
Agree. Some fans seem to have developed a real deluded arrogance over the past 2 or 3 years. The blokes spent most of the last few years playing for a side at the top end of this division. Captaining it. Hes a leader on the pitch, hugely experienced at this level--- two things we lack massively with the current injuries.. Its a short term deal to cover for a bizarre amount of injuries in one position. Were not giving him a 3 year deal FFS! He'll be a good signing. And all you get is moan moan moan. What are people expecting? that we go out and spend £10m on someone? Weve had the same enormous outgoings as ever, but have barely had an income for the last year! Rather than speaking to Derby fans where he played his last game in the middle of 2019 before suffering the car injury from being a bellend. Why dont you ask MK Don's fans about him. 15th in the league below and looking on there forum they arnt arsed at all hes left. Another Stearman and Elphick. Once good in there prime and now on there last legs getting a final wage packet with the only club in the championship daft enough to sign them. MK that average letting in 1 goal a game when he's playing but 2 a game when he isn't?
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Post by town1 on Jan 19, 2021 20:50:31 GMT 1
250k for 6 months but at the same time could keep us up. At the same time we have Sarr fit.
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Post by stable on Jan 19, 2021 20:53:02 GMT 1
They should be arsed hes left. Someone put a stat up to show theyve conceded a lot more goals when he hasnt been playing. Im not expecting Rio Ferdinand in his prime. Just an experienced old head who can still play to a decent standard and means we dont have 2 very inexperienced, young, still physically weak, centre backs playing at the same time. When Stearmans back, and believe hes not too far away, id expect him and REG to get the starts, with Keogh on the bench. What about Sarr? Think he's back tomorrow
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Post by mightyterrier on Jan 19, 2021 20:53:10 GMT 1
Fuck me we have some deluded and entitled fans, it’s very easy to be critical when your not spending your own brass.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jan 19, 2021 20:53:30 GMT 1
It's a car crash of a signing. And a car crash of a post
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Post by Ianster on Jan 19, 2021 20:59:26 GMT 1
He really hasn’t cost 250k for a 6 month contract at the most he’s cost 50k
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 19, 2021 20:59:35 GMT 1
Rather than speaking to Derby fans where he played his last game in the middle of 2019 before suffering the car injury from being a bellend. Why dont you ask MK Don's fans about him. 15th in the league below and looking on there forum they arnt arsed at all hes left. Another Stearman and Elphick. Once good in there prime and now on there last legs getting a final wage packet with the only club in the championship daft enough to sign them. MK that average letting in 1 goal a game when he's playing but 2 a game when he isn't? Seem to be doing alright tonight without him.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 19, 2021 21:00:31 GMT 1
How many centre backs do you expect the squad to have? Maybe if we didnt sign old has beens in that position on there final hurrah we wouldnt have a problem, rather than bringing another one in. Elphick, who got clattered at Preston and his injury certainly wasn't just down to his age or fitness, maybe you have a point. Stearman, who was 32 when he signed, looked really good early in the season, seemed to have got the Carlos message and was playing well. Schindler has been a standout for us over the years and at 30 I would not say he is old. Naby Sarr is 27. Anyway I am not sure their age is the problem. Keogh has played the full 90 minutes in 18 games this season and 120 minutes in the last cup game against Burnley so we are not exactly dragging him out of an old peoples home. Elphick had a shaky start but was playing well when he got done at Preston. All the others have been decent signings, IMHO. We have two very good centre halfs, three if you count Ilounga, coming through but it's maybe just a bit early to have them playing together. I really don't think you can put the blame on the clubs recruitment. As in all businesses you plan for somewhere between the best and worse case scenarios and if it turns out worse than you hoped you have to improvise. Not that big a deal really.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jan 19, 2021 21:06:23 GMT 1
They should be arsed hes left. Someone put a stat up to show theyve conceded a lot more goals when he hasnt been playing. Im not expecting Rio Ferdinand in his prime. Just an experienced old head who can still play to a decent standard and means we dont have 2 very inexperienced, young, still physically weak, centre backs playing at the same time. When Stearmans back, and believe hes not too far away, id expect him and REG to get the starts, with Keogh on the bench. You have two right footers in there though. We played Schindler left sided when we had no left footed centre backs and that, I think, gave us issues. Critchlow & Sarr are lefties and Keogh can play either so they may get first dibbs.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Jan 19, 2021 21:09:58 GMT 1
It's a car crash of a signing. And a car crash of a post Tbf it made me laugh. I don't see the point in being overly negative about signing Keogh. As someone upthread put it it's a sticking-plaster signing, I'd liken it to both Elphick and Stearman: an older experienced pro to help the kids step up. Yeah, the whole car crash thing does suggest that might not be the best idea off the pitch, but that aside his career speaks for itself and shows him to be at least a half-decent championship defender. Welcome to Huddersfield, Richard. Don't make me regret this post
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 19, 2021 21:19:28 GMT 1
MK that average letting in 1 goal a game when he's playing but 2 a game when he isn't? Seem to be doing alright tonight without him. If Matt Smith plays tomorrow night who who would you rather be playing against him Keogh, REG or Crichlow ?
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