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Post by Tinpot on Jan 19, 2021 21:32:58 GMT 1
Seem to be doing alright tonight without him. If Matt Smith plays tomorrow night who who would you rather be playing against him Keogh, REG or Crichlow ? Who needs Keogh, REG or Crichlow when we've got Jodie Whittaker?
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Post by softboy on Jan 19, 2021 21:33:02 GMT 1
Given that we have 3 out if 4 experienced defenders out log term in the sense they will have to get match fit as well what we needed was a fit experienced senior pro for the rest of thd season and that is what we have got. I think someone mentioned on another thread that not only are we missing senior defenders on match day but also importantly we are missing them training with the younger players as well.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 19, 2021 21:33:36 GMT 1
Although, serious answer is Naby Sarr.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jan 19, 2021 21:58:37 GMT 1
How many centre backs do you expect the squad to have? Maybe if we didnt sign old has beens in that position on there final hurrah we wouldnt have a problem, rather than bringing another one in. Elphik was 31 when he signed. Stearman was 32 when he signed. Schindler was 26 when he signed. Sarr was 27 when he signed. Hardly old has beens really were they.
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 19, 2021 22:11:39 GMT 1
Seem to be doing alright tonight without him. If Matt Smith plays tomorrow night who who would you rather be playing against him Keogh, REG or Crichlow ? In all honesty. Im past caring, it wouldnt bother me if they played Efe Sodje tomorrow.
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Post by terriers321 on Jan 19, 2021 22:15:52 GMT 1
Maybe if we didnt sign old has beens in that position on there final hurrah we wouldnt have a problem, rather than bringing another one in. Elphik was 31 when he signed. Stearman was 32 when he signed. Schindler was 26 when he signed. Sarr was 27 when he signed. Hardly old has beens really were they. I was only meaning Elphick and Stearman and they were both slow, cumbersome and long past there best when we signed them.
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Post by Amigo on Jan 19, 2021 22:16:58 GMT 1
As others have said he's not signed for the long term future he's here to plug a gap. For those that said we should be signing better, who? It's 13 years since he was here so I don't think much should be read in to that (I thought he was shit at the time) but he's had a decent career since and is a solid if unspectacular signing. We may have a centre back lined up to bring in over the summer already we have no idea but we needed someone now that is solid and has experience at the back plus a huge amount of that experience is at this level so I think it's a fairly sensible signing. Ashley Williams is a free agent. He is/was a bit of a nutter, but a quality player if he's still able to do the job. (big if)Decent shout, my main worry would be that at 36 he hasn't played for quite a while now and we probably don't have the time if he needs to get up to "match fitness".
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 19, 2021 22:34:49 GMT 1
Ashley Williams is a free agent. He is/was a bit of a nutter, but a quality player if he's still able to do the job. (big if)Decent shout, my main worry would be that at 36 he hasn't played for quite a while now and we probably don't have the time if he needs to get up to "match fitness". Steady on. It’s not quite that bad he’s 34 not 36.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 19, 2021 22:35:32 GMT 1
Decent shout, my main worry would be that at 36 he hasn't played for quite a while now and we probably don't have the time if he needs to get up to "match fitness". Steady on. It’s not quite that bad he’s 34 not 36. Edit. Apologies I thought you were referring to Keogh.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 19, 2021 22:36:37 GMT 1
If Matt Smith plays tomorrow night who who would you rather be playing against him Keogh, REG or Crichlow ? In all honesty. Im past caring, it wouldnt bother me if they played Efe Sodje tomorrow. Now there's a person who would piss the prediction league!
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 19, 2021 22:48:24 GMT 1
Ashley Williams is a free agent. He is/was a bit of a nutter, but a quality player if he's still able to do the job. (big if)Decent shout, my main worry would be that at 36 he hasn't played for quite a while now and we probably don't have the time if he needs to get up to "match fitness". TBH I did wonder that myself. I suppose a lot of my issue comes from Keogh being so shit in his first spell here (although until today I hadn't realised he was only 21 at the time!) and concerns about his character after the incident at Derby just under 18 months ago. Plus, Williams doesn't have a fucked knee. Flip side is of course that with our high intensity, a 36 year old who hasn't played first team football since the summer might struggle to get up to speed more than a 34 year old who was playing first team football (albeit at a lower level) less than a fortnight ago.
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Post by kayeb222 on Jan 20, 2021 0:13:43 GMT 1
250k for 6 months but at the same time could keep us up. At the same time we have Sarr fit. Have you been listening to Carlos "and at the same time" Corberans interviews too much? He usually averages about 2 "at the same time's" per minute too!!! Lol
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Jan 20, 2021 0:35:39 GMT 1
250k for 6 months but at the same time could keep us up. At the same time we have Sarr fit. Have you been listening to Carlos "and at the same time" Corberans interviews too much? He usually averages about 2 "at the same time's" per minute too!!! Lol I imagine that if you were being interviewed in Spanish twice a week you wouldn't repeat yourself at all, right?
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Post by kayeb222 on Jan 20, 2021 0:38:46 GMT 1
Have you been listening to Carlos "and at the same time" Corberans interviews too much? He usually averages about 2 "at the same time's" per minute too!!! Lol I imagine that if you were being interviewed in Spanish twice a week you wouldn't repeat yourself at all, right? my Spanish is limited but if I was getting paid 100s of thousands I'm pretty sure I'd learn. I'm not knocking him,I was making a joke. He speaks good English.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jan 20, 2021 0:46:09 GMT 1
A long standing Derby fan I know was always adamant that they'd never get promoted while Keogh was being picked and that was a few years back. However I never write anyone off until we've seen them play a bit. Hopefully it's just a short term contract until the summer as his age alone should really rule out offering anything more substantial.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 20, 2021 0:53:20 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 20, 2021 1:11:12 GMT 1
They should be arsed hes left. Someone put a stat up to show theyve conceded a lot more goals when he hasnt been playing. Im not expecting Rio Ferdinand in his prime. Just an experienced old head who can still play to a decent standard and means we dont have 2 very inexperienced, young, still physically weak, centre backs playing at the same time. When Stearmans back, and believe hes not too far away, id expect him and REG to get the starts, with Keogh on the bench. What about Sarr? Think he's back tomorrow Sarr is being patched up to get through the season and will have an op as soon as we can have him get one. So expect him to be in and out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2021 8:13:55 GMT 1
£25K a week. Nice work, if you can get it.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 20, 2021 8:50:15 GMT 1
A long standing Derby fan I know was always adamant that they'd never get promoted while Keogh was being picked and that was a few years back. However I never write anyone off until we've seen them play a bit. Hopefully it's just a short term contract until the summer as his age alone should really rule out offering anything more substantial. Not sure we are trying to get promoted though......think that ship sailed long ago. We are where we are.......the 3 experienced and ageing CBs we have will be gone in the summer as will keogh no doubt. Its surely all about simply staying up and clearing the decks again in the summer. Whatever the rights and wrongs are weve made a proper mess of the PL legacy.....but are not alone in that.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 20, 2021 8:50:39 GMT 1
I bet he's really looking forward to 23 February. He'll be crossing the days off on his calendar.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 20, 2021 10:05:17 GMT 1
When you read about the case and Derbys differing responses to it depending on the player, then it would have been ridiculous if Keogh hadnt won that appeal. Keogh was pretty clearly dismissed because of a combination of two thing--he got injured in the crash and his age. Neither of which are sackable offences. Derbys case not helped because they didnt even sack him immediately but tried to get him to accept a wage cut first. £60k a week to play in the second division though! Footballs gone crazy!
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jan 20, 2021 10:16:47 GMT 1
The people running Derby should be ashamed of themselves, for quite a few different reasons
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Post by alexdire on Jan 20, 2021 10:34:23 GMT 1
A long standing Derby fan I know was always adamant that they'd never get promoted while Keogh was being picked and that was a few years back. However I never write anyone off until we've seen them play a bit. Hopefully it's just a short term contract until the summer as his age alone should really rule out offering anything more substantial. Well he's now been playing for MK dons and guess what Derby aren't going to get promoted.
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Post by ldotm on Jan 20, 2021 10:43:31 GMT 1
When you read about the case and Derbys differing responses to it depending on the player, then it would have been ridiculous if Keogh hadnt won that appeal. Keogh was pretty clearly dismissed because of a combination of two thing--he got injured in the crash and his age. Neither of which are sackable offences. Derbys case not helped because they didnt even sack him immediately but tried to get him to accept a wage cut first. £60k a week to play in the second division though! Footballs gone crazy! £60k a month* your calculations are wrong. Owed £1.3m of his 21 month contract left.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 20, 2021 11:30:59 GMT 1
When you read about the case and Derbys differing responses to it depending on the player, then it would have been ridiculous if Keogh hadnt won that appeal. Keogh was pretty clearly dismissed because of a combination of two thing--he got injured in the crash and his age. Neither of which are sackable offences. Derbys case not helped because they didnt even sack him immediately but tried to get him to accept a wage cut first. £60k a week to play in the second division though! Footballs gone crazy! They tried to use the argument that as club captain he had a responsibility to behave in a better way. Ultimately, though it came down to money. Keogh was the only one of the 4 to get injured and, by the time he was fit to play again, his value would have been nil as he would have been coming to the end of his contract. The other 3 all had a value to the club. Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett both got a criminal conviction out of it but avoided being sacked, and I presume that helped Keogh's case. Lee Buchanan managed to avoid the fallout from it, probably because at the time he was an unknown kid.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 20, 2021 11:41:47 GMT 1
When you read about the case and Derbys differing responses to it depending on the player, then it would have been ridiculous if Keogh hadnt won that appeal. Keogh was pretty clearly dismissed because of a combination of two thing--he got injured in the crash and his age. Neither of which are sackable offences. Derbys case not helped because they didnt even sack him immediately but tried to get him to accept a wage cut first. £60k a week to play in the second division though! Footballs gone crazy! £60k a month* your calculations are wrong. Owed £1.3m of his 21 month contract left. Youre right, they are. Article says he had a £1.3m a year contract, so £25k a week. Slightly less crazy!
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 20, 2021 11:44:16 GMT 1
When you read about the case and Derbys differing responses to it depending on the player, then it would have been ridiculous if Keogh hadnt won that appeal. Keogh was pretty clearly dismissed because of a combination of two thing--he got injured in the crash and his age. Neither of which are sackable offences. Derbys case not helped because they didnt even sack him immediately but tried to get him to accept a wage cut first. £60k a week to play in the second division though! Footballs gone crazy! They tried to use the argument that as club captain he had a responsibility to behave in a better way. Ultimately, though it came down to money. Keogh was the only one of the 4 to get injured and, by the time he was fit to play again, his value would have been nil as he would have been coming to the end of his contract. The other 3 all had a value to the club. Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett both got a criminal conviction out of it but avoided being sacked, and I presume that helped Keogh's case. Lee Buchanan managed to avoid the fallout from it, probably because at the time he was an unknown kid. Thats basically it. Think for derby to stand any chance in that appeal case, they'd have had to have sacked all involved.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jan 20, 2021 11:57:00 GMT 1
They tried to use the argument that as club captain he had a responsibility to behave in a better way. Ultimately, though it came down to money. Keogh was the only one of the 4 to get injured and, by the time he was fit to play again, his value would have been nil as he would have been coming to the end of his contract. The other 3 all had a value to the club. Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett both got a criminal conviction out of it but avoided being sacked, and I presume that helped Keogh's case. Lee Buchanan managed to avoid the fallout from it, probably because at the time he was an unknown kid. Thats basically it. Think for derby to stand any chance in that appeal case, they'd have had to have sacked all involved. If they'd sacked all 4 of them then Keogh wouldn't have had a leg to stand on (literally or figuratively) but they wouldn't do that because Lawrence, Bennett and Buchanan would have all been picked up by another club for nothing, and probably earning themselves pay rises in the process as those clubs wouldn't have had to pay transfer fees.
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Post by TJTown on Jan 20, 2021 13:06:33 GMT 1
Where are people getting this notion he isn’t a good player from? Speak to Derby fans, the majority will say he was brilliant for them on the whole, a team that generally tended to be at the top end of the league. His 300 appearances over 7 seasons for them suggests he’s not a bad player.. Agree. Some fans seem to have developed a real deluded arrogance over the past 2 or 3 years. The blokes spent most of the last few years playing for a side at the top end of this division. Captaining it. Hes a leader on the pitch, hugely experienced at this level--- two things we lack massively with the current injuries.. Its a short term deal to cover for a bizarre amount of injuries in one position. Were not giving him a 3 year deal FFS! He'll be a good signing. And all you get is moan moan moan. What are people expecting? that we go out and spend £10m on someone? Weve had the same enormous outgoings as ever, but have barely had an income for the last year! Far from the case, forgive me for thinking that we can do better than over the hill, league 1 cloggers in our transfer dealings! Deluded arrogance is a bit strong for expecting just a bit better than Keogh. He may well have captained Derby at the top end of the division for many years, but they never got anywhere did they? I am glad it's only 6 months though, as we can assess what we need in the summer again. I hope he turns out to be a good signing but we will see there.
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Post by snoopy on Jan 20, 2021 13:31:05 GMT 1
Thats basically it. Think for derby to stand any chance in that appeal case, they'd have had to have sacked all involved. If they'd sacked all 4 of them then Keogh wouldn't have had a leg to stand on (literally or figuratively) but they wouldn't do that because Lawrence, Bennett and Buchanan would have all been picked up by another club for nothing, and probably earning themselves pay rises in the process as those clubs wouldn't have had to pay transfer fees. Didn't Chelsea sack Mutu for taking drugs and they've taken legal action directly aganst him to recover costs, i dont think they have recovered a penny yet?
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