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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 17, 2021 12:43:43 GMT 1
I do not want to see CC sacked, but if the poor form continues the inevitable will happen before too long , he will obviously be used as the perfect scapegoat, but I feel Town's whole approach to recruitment has been flawed for some time , Its pointless pointing the finger at all and sundry, it really does not help. I sincerely hope CC can reorganize our leaky defence and just get a couple of results , just to steady the ship, so to speak. My fear is we will be battered before too long , with a 5/6 goal hammering, and unfortunately that could be the excuse for the club to let CC go. Sadly everything has soured at the club and all our failings have been cruelly highlighted recently, I have to be honest (It does not make me happy) but I cannot see CC being able to halt the slide at the moment , I really hope I am wrong! UTT this is why we miss the likes of Mark Hudson etc. Our defensive play is beyond dire at times. Some of it is the basics.
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Feb 17, 2021 12:46:00 GMT 1
It is now becoming clearer what is going on at Town. The Cowleys sacked because they wanted what fans wanted and that was to bring in better players. Big Phil got shut as he saw a much cheaper route to take by appointing Carlos C. Yet probably lied his fat arse off promising him money for recruitment. We then go into a season with strikers who are on the wrong end of their careers or seriously injured and not likely to play. Good option that with wages being thrown away on cast offs and crocks. False economy if ever I saw one.
But it doesn't stop there. The pattern repeats itself over and over as no money is spent replacing players who need replacing either through injury or have departed the club. We bring in more free transfers or bargain basement players and expect Carlos to perform miracles. They don't happen unless you are Jesus Christ and we have not got any support in that direction. Then the Chairman makes sweeping statements about how little money we have because of Covid. In other words, don't blame me blame the pandemic. That is fine until our rivals in the division like Barnsley and Luton, two huge clubs in comparison to us, go out and strengthen with no parachute payments to support them. One striker, probably quite rightly, selects Luton over Town. I would say that that says it all really. Luton were four divisions below us three years ago and soon they will be one division above us.
This season was always going to be difficult now it will be extremely difficult for Town to win one more game. We will finish one place above Wycombe and be relegated with them. Next year will be even worse. There will be a mass exodus of players. The Chairman will propagandise the departures as being in the clubs best interests as these players never had Town's interests at heart anyway. So, they will not be replaced and we will be relegated again into League 2. Where we await a new owner, new board, new manager and new players as the club has been stripped bare of anything faintly of value.
The writing was on the wall two years ago and we have been played for fools. The next months will be a rerun of the start of the season last year starting with a defeat at home to Swansea. It will be painful to watch again as we concede goal after goal and fail to convert the few chances we can cook up for our one man strike force.
PS Isaac Mbenza will do just enough to leave for another club in May. We will have helped him to become a better player because of his experiences and yet we will never reap the rewards of that.
Thanks a lot DH for the bumpy ride ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 13:28:26 GMT 1
It is now becoming clearer what is going on at Town. The Cowleys sacked because they wanted what fans wanted and that was to bring in better players. Big Phil got shut as he saw a much cheaper route to take by appointing Carlos C. Yet probably lied his fat arse off promising him money for recruitment. We then go into a season with strikers who are on the wrong end of their careers or seriously injured and not likely to play. Good option that with wages being thrown away on cast offs and crocks. False economy if ever I saw one. But it doesn't stop there. The pattern repeats itself over and over as no money is spent replacing players who need replacing either through injury or have departed the club. We bring in more free transfers or bargain basement players and expect Carlos to perform miracles. They don't happen unless you are Jesus Christ and we have not got any support in that direction. Then the Chairman makes sweeping statements about how little money we have because of Covid. In other words, don't blame me blame the pandemic. That is fine until our rivals in the division like Barnsley and Luton, two huge clubs in comparison to us, go out and strengthen with no parachute payments to support them. One striker, probably quite rightly, selects Luton over Town. I would say that that says it all really. Luton were four divisions below us three years ago and soon they will be one division above us. This season was always going to be difficult now it will be extremely difficult for Town to win one more game. We will finish one place above Wycombe and be relegated with them. Next year will be even worse. There will be a mass exodus of players. The Chairman will propagandise the departures as being in the clubs best interests as these players never had Town's interests at heart anyway. So, they will not be replaced and we will be relegated again into League 2. Where we await a new owner, new board, new manager and new players as the club has been stripped bare of anything faintly of value. The writing was on the wall two years ago and we have been played for fools. The next months will be a rerun of the start of the season last year starting with a defeat at home to Swansea. It will be painful to watch again as we concede goal after goal and fail to convert the few chances we can cook up for our one man strike force. PS Isaac Mbenza will do just enough to leave for another club in May. We will have helped him to become a better player because of his experiences and yet we will never reap the rewards of that. Thanks a lot DH for the bumpy ride ... thank you mystic meg! youmay be right only time will tell but for light entertainment you really are a star. bloody hell
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Post by specialun on Feb 17, 2021 13:33:14 GMT 1
Relegation is pretty much nailed on regardless of who is manager/head coach between now & the end of the season. Also, even if we stay up, there's inevitably going to be a huge turnover of playing staff this summer with so many out of contract this coming June. I suppose the question is whether you trust Corberan & Co to lead us in Lg1 with his own squad, or whether somebody else should get the gig. Once the season is over (or at least once we know for absolute certain what division we're in next season) serious questions need to be asked, and a decision made as to who is our manager/head coach for the 21/22 season. I don’t think relegation is nailed on As many limitations of the squad / lack of investment etc there are lots of things we can do to improve 1. We need to start by getting solid at the back (a) settled shape (b) Stearman in the team (b) Adapt how we mark at set pieces 2. Carlos MUST change his training methods of DATM will be in the first XI by March! 3. Carlos must have more faith in the younger players - he has what he has, his job to get the best. Phillips’ showing yesterday showed he’s being underused, Critchlow should have been in for Sarr weeks ago, Rowe wasn’t perfect by any stretch but showed more than Holmes/Pritchard 4. Mentally we look shot - we don’t seem to know what to do when we take the lead. Do we change our game etc? Confidence looks shot. Manager has to take responsibility for some of that A lot of above rests with Carlos / team
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Post by captainblack on Feb 17, 2021 13:53:42 GMT 1
Relegation is pretty much nailed on regardless of who is manager/head coach between now & the end of the season. Also, even if we stay up, there's inevitably going to be a huge turnover of playing staff this summer with so many out of contract this coming June. I suppose the question is whether you trust Corberan & Co to lead us in Lg1 with his own squad, or whether somebody else should get the gig. Once the season is over (or at least once we know for absolute certain what division we're in next season) serious questions need to be asked, and a decision made as to who is our manager/head coach for the 21/22 season. I generally agree with your posts Tinpot , though I think the scenery looks quite bleak, with 16 games left there is still hope that this slide can be reversed , we are not yet cut adrift, and you would hope that just a couple of wins could alter our recent demise. Reading your posts earlier in the season I knew you were concerned by our weak looking squad , I was in total agreement with your sentiments , however CC has proved he can motivate this squad , whether he can repeat this remains to be seen . I will still be loyally following Town if we do drop to div 3. UTT.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 17, 2021 15:51:46 GMT 1
Relegation is pretty much nailed on regardless of who is manager/head coach between now & the end of the season. Also, even if we stay up, there's inevitably going to be a huge turnover of playing staff this summer with so many out of contract this coming June. I suppose the question is whether you trust Corberan & Co to lead us in Lg1 with his own squad, or whether somebody else should get the gig. Once the season is over (or at least once we know for absolute certain what division we're in next season) serious questions need to be asked, and a decision made as to who is our manager/head coach for the 21/22 season. I don’t think relegation is nailed on As many limitations of the squad / lack of investment etc there are lots of things we can do to improve 1. We need to start by getting solid at the back (a) settled shape (b) Stearman in the team (b) Adapt how we mark at set pieces 2. Carlos MUST change his training methods of DATM will be in the first XI by March! 3. Carlos must have more faith in the younger players - he has what he has, his job to get the best. Phillips’ showing yesterday showed he’s being underused, Critchlow should have been in for Sarr weeks ago, Rowe wasn’t perfect by any stretch but showed more than Holmes/Pritchard 4. Mentally we look shot - we don’t seem to know what to do when we take the lead. Do we change our game etc? Confidence looks shot. Manager has to take responsibility for some of that A lot of above rests with Carlos / team Also to captainblackLooking solely at the league table it would be absurd to write off our chances of escaping the drop, especially as we are still to face 4 of the 5 clubs below us in the table, but I'm looking at the situation & I see little hope of improvement until the summer. I felt at the start of the season that relegation looked inevitable & even in December it looked to me that we were in a false position & that at some stage we would revert to the mean. That has happened, to an even greater extent than I had expected. This is a very thin squad, ravaged by injuries & little confidence that the situation will improve this season. The players that remain seem to lack the direction, confidence & professionalism to turn this around. The glaring weakness up front that was screaming at everyone to be addressed - wasn't, and as time goes on I have decreasing confidence that: a) anyone will join the club b) it would make any difference even if they did. Where is the next point coming from, let alone the next win? If we're going to stay up I suggest we'll need an average of 1 point per game but so far this year we've managed a deserved point against Stoke, a lucky one against Luton & lost the other 6, 5 of them deservedly. Last night was a massive improvement on Saturday, but this was against a horribly out of form Middlesbrough side & a referee that did us a lot of favours, and we still - deservedly - lost. What better chances are we going to get to arrest this blip slump depression than we've had in the last 2 games? I don't see the current squad turning it around, and without some divine intervention I am not even confident of reaching 40 points this season. We've probably already got enough points to finish above Wycombe, but the others seem certain to overtake us. I do take the point about CC. If he can't turn this around then that does raise doubts about his ability to motivate next season as the going - inevitably, regardless of which division we're in - gets tough. With a squad of his own players it might be possible, and I'm clinging to that because this project has so much potential but I'm now thinking that failure seems more likely than success.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Feb 17, 2021 15:54:55 GMT 1
I find it quite irritating that there is even a poll on this. I can imagine many of the votes to remove CC have not watched many games this season and just basing on results. Anyone can see that Carlos is an incredibly talented coach/manager - I have no doubt he will have a successful career. I don’t put any blame on CC - what he has done with a very thin squad with lots of injuries is to create an attractive playing style, which will eventually pay dividends for us. Be a huge mistake IMO to make a change now. Yes it is concerning regarding recent results - a combination of injuries and mistakes are killing us at the moment. When I was watching the game last night - I still really enjoyed watching us play and we were really good and unlucky in the last 20mins. How many times in recent seasons under different managers, if we were 2-1 down with 20 to go, we would barely create a chance. I fully believe we won’t go down and I don’t think we will even be in a relegation scrap come the last few weeks of the season. We are playing a good brand of football and law of averages is our luck will change. Last night was prime example of injuries and mistakes costing us. When we stay up this season, we need to clear out the deadwood and then invest in 5 senior pros (not old guys but guys in mid to late 20s who are leaders). With the signings made and talented young players, I feel confident in our full-backs, centre mids and wide forwards. IMO we need 5 x senior pros - 2 x CBs, 2 x CFs and 1 x GK. At CB, next season two senior pros to add to Sarr, REG and RCN. At CF, Campbell as a squad player, Phillips (who did well last night) plus two senior pros. I’d like to see a good quality GK to compete with Schofield as he is still very young for a GK. No-one flamboyant - just a steady pair of hands who is a top professional. I have really enjoyed watching us this season (don’t get me wrong, I hate losing!) but we have a clear direction and I think we need to stick with CC and believe in what he is doing. Finances are tough in the current situation with Covid, but if we clear out the deadwood then hopefully Phil will back CC to bring in the players we need for the spine of the team. UTT I'm not sure that CC is an incredibly talented coach/manager. He seams to be very one dimensional in his coaching. The style of play and tactics he is trying to implement with the group of players he has is not working and he seems unable or unwilling to change either. An incredibly talented coach/manger would have changed the style of play and the tactics by now to try and reverse the slump in form. An incredibly talented coach would be coaching his players on the training pitch to manage games once they've taken the lead, not lose 7 games out of the 30 played where they have taken the lead. There seems to be one style of play and one tactic. When it's not working he seems unable to tweak or change it either during a match or on the training ground ahead of the next match. An incredibly talented coach would be able to make these tweaks and changes. His substitutions have at times been strange and seemed reactionary rather than pro-active. I don't think he yet ready to be a Head Coach. He's still a young up and coming coach who would make an excellent Assistant coach to an experience Head Coach, as he was at Leads. Or if he's gonna be a Head Coach he needs to have an experienced coach as his assistant. Someone who's done the Head Coach role successfully, but now wants to take a back seat to a young up and coming coach. I think he may very well ultimately become a talented Head Coach. However, at the moment he's not. Town could benefit massively by bringing in some experience to work alongside him for the rest of this season and 1 or 2 seasons after. Carlos is a talented youngster with lots of potential, but he's not yet ready for the first team...... Agree to disagree - I’d rather stick with a philosophy and management team for at least 2-3 years to see it come to fruition. If we had a team of world beaters, then yes, it would be reasonable to expect a quicker level of improved results. Clearly he has coached the group and turned them from a boring pragmatic style under the Cowleys to free flowing football. If we had backed him with a goalscorer and had been a bit luckier with defensive injuries, we would be top half IMO. What would you rather do? Bring in a Chris Powell or Mark Robins journeyman type just because they have ‘experience’?
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Post by leytherterrier on Feb 17, 2021 16:29:25 GMT 1
I'm not sure that CC is an incredibly talented coach/manager. He seams to be very one dimensional in his coaching. The style of play and tactics he is trying to implement with the group of players he has is not working and he seems unable or unwilling to change either. An incredibly talented coach/manger would have changed the style of play and the tactics by now to try and reverse the slump in form. An incredibly talented coach would be coaching his players on the training pitch to manage games once they've taken the lead, not lose 7 games out of the 30 played where they have taken the lead. There seems to be one style of play and one tactic. When it's not working he seems unable to tweak or change it either during a match or on the training ground ahead of the next match. An incredibly talented coach would be able to make these tweaks and changes. His substitutions have at times been strange and seemed reactionary rather than pro-active. I don't think he yet ready to be a Head Coach. He's still a young up and coming coach who would make an excellent Assistant coach to an experience Head Coach, as he was at Leads. Or if he's gonna be a Head Coach he needs to have an experienced coach as his assistant. Someone who's done the Head Coach role successfully, but now wants to take a back seat to a young up and coming coach. I think he may very well ultimately become a talented Head Coach. However, at the moment he's not. Town could benefit massively by bringing in some experience to work alongside him for the rest of this season and 1 or 2 seasons after. Carlos is a talented youngster with lots of potential, but he's not yet ready for the first team...... Agree to disagree - I’d rather stick with a philosophy and management team for at least 2-3 years to see it come to fruition. If we had a team of world beaters, then yes, it would be reasonable to expect a quicker level of improved results. Clearly he has coached the group and turned them from a boring pragmatic style under the Cowleys to free flowing football. If we had backed him with a goalscorer and had been a bit luckier with defensive injuries, we would be top half IMO. What would you rather do? Bring in a Chris Powell or Mark Robins journeyman type just because they have ‘experience’? Where’s this free flowing football because the last couple of games I’ve watched I’ve not seen it. Plus don’t think you can call Chris Powell or Mark Robins journeyman managers, Powell had one job before us at Charlton until he was sacked. Robins had a couple of jobs before us and has taken Coventry from middle of league 2 back to the championship. I agree that we need to give CC time but do we have that given how poor the results have been and he needed backing in the transfer window and will need backing this summer but I just don’t think we will do or if he we do they won’t be player that will improve us. It seems to have gone bad ever since we announced he’d signed a new contract.
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Post by Floyds on Feb 17, 2021 16:34:17 GMT 1
I don't think we'll stay up under CC.
Would we do so under someone else (and whom)? If we went down the route of Tony Pulis or similar it would make even more of a mockery as to how the club has been run. If we put (say) Pulis in and went down anyway then we'd be in an even worse position!
I'd expect them to stick with CC even if we go down, release the high earners and ask him to work with the academy lads next season in League One.
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Post by sabailand on Feb 17, 2021 16:41:56 GMT 1
All these dire predictions of nailed on relegation and how we were going to slip into the basement etc...deja vu anyone, we heard it all last season and here we are again, im under no illusions that the situations bad, but the white flag wavers are out earlier than last season!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 17, 2021 16:57:36 GMT 1
All these dire predictions of nailed on relegation and how we were going to slip into the basement etc...deja vu anyone, we heard it all last season and here we are again, im under no illusions that the situations bad, but the white flag wavers are out earlier than last season! We're currently 1 point better off than we were at this stage last season but the difference is after matchday 30 third bottom had 24 points last season, this season third bottom have currently only played 29 games but have 28 points. I think people are quite justified to be concerned at our situation. If anyone is waving a white flag it's the players.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Feb 17, 2021 17:23:03 GMT 1
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Post by greyarea on Feb 17, 2021 17:35:57 GMT 1
The following illustrates the real failing in coaching that Corberan has exhibited. bitterandblue.sbnation.com/2012/8/3/3217081/the-importance-of-scoring-the-first-goal-of-the-game#:~:text=A%2070.79%20%25%20likelihood%20of%20a,of%20not%20losing%20the%20game. This article show's the importance of the first goal. Importantly that stat's from this article match other articles I have seen on this. In summary: If a team at home scores the 1st goal, they have 87.5% of not losing (the team trailing have a 12.5% chance of winning) and a 70.8% chance of winning. If a team away scores the 1st goal, they have 87% of not losing and 61% of winning the game. (every teams fans bemoan 'we never seem to be able to make a comeback after conceding. The reason is the numbers say the team only has a 13% or 1.3 times in every 10 games of making a come back, only a 3 in 10, 4 in 10 chance of getting a draw) Now how many time have Huddersfield drawn or lost after scoring the 1st goal this season? Well according to the Chicken Corberan's side are at 53% That should be between 61%-70.8% if it was following normal football trends www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sarr-obrien-just-latest-players-19854339What this means is whatever the defensive structure Corberan is trying to use; it is whole pitch man-marking as Steven Chicken say's in the article; it is not working in any way. One of the surest things in football for a normal regular football team was scoring the first goal generally meant 1pt and more often than not 3pts. I have serious concerns about the tactics and football structure Corberan is trying to use.
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Post by joburgjon on Feb 17, 2021 18:41:58 GMT 1
I'm not sure that CC is an incredibly talented coach/manager. He seams to be very one dimensional in his coaching. The style of play and tactics he is trying to implement with the group of players he has is not working and he seems unable or unwilling to change either. An incredibly talented coach/manger would have changed the style of play and the tactics by now to try and reverse the slump in form. An incredibly talented coach would be coaching his players on the training pitch to manage games once they've taken the lead, not lose 7 games out of the 30 played where they have taken the lead. There seems to be one style of play and one tactic. When it's not working he seems unable to tweak or change it either during a match or on the training ground ahead of the next match. An incredibly talented coach would be able to make these tweaks and changes. His substitutions have at times been strange and seemed reactionary rather than pro-active. I don't think he yet ready to be a Head Coach. He's still a young up and coming coach who would make an excellent Assistant coach to an experience Head Coach, as he was at Leads. Or if he's gonna be a Head Coach he needs to have an experienced coach as his assistant. Someone who's done the Head Coach role successfully, but now wants to take a back seat to a young up and coming coach. I think he may very well ultimately become a talented Head Coach. However, at the moment he's not. Town could benefit massively by bringing in some experience to work alongside him for the rest of this season and 1 or 2 seasons after. Carlos is a talented youngster with lots of potential, but he's not yet ready for the first team...... Agree to disagree - I’d rather stick with a philosophy and management team for at least 2-3 years to see it come to fruition. If we had a team of world beaters, then yes, it would be reasonable to expect a quicker level of improved results. Clearly he has coached the group and turned them from a boring pragmatic style under the Cowleys to free flowing football. If we had backed him with a goalscorer and had been a bit luckier with defensive injuries, we would be top half IMO. What would you rather do? Bring in a Chris Powell or Mark Robins journeyman type just because they have ‘experience’? I did say I'd like to stick with him, but bring someone with experience to help him and help him develop as a Head Coach. Ernesto Valverde or Oscar Garcia would be my pick as an Experienced Head Coach to come in and help CC in the short to medium term. Rafa Benitez is also available probably until the summer. All Spanish, all managed at much higher levels and bigger clubs than Town and all had decent levels of success......
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Feb 17, 2021 22:47:17 GMT 1
I find it quite irritating that there is even a poll on this. I can imagine many of the votes to remove CC have not watched many games this season and just basing on results. Anyone can see that Carlos is an incredibly talented coach/manager - I have no doubt he will have a successful career. I don’t put any blame on CC - what he has done with a very thin squad with lots of injuries is to create an attractive playing style, which will eventually pay dividends for us. Be a huge mistake IMO to make a change now. Yes it is concerning regarding recent results - a combination of injuries and mistakes are killing us at the moment. When I was watching the game last night - I still really enjoyed watching us play and we were really good and unlucky in the last 20mins. How many times in recent seasons under different managers, if we were 2-1 down with 20 to go, we would barely create a chance. I fully believe we won’t go down and I don’t think we will even be in a relegation scrap come the last few weeks of the season. We are playing a good brand of football and law of averages is our luck will change. Last night was prime example of injuries and mistakes costing us. When we stay up this season, we need to clear out the deadwood and then invest in 5 senior pros (not old guys but guys in mid to late 20s who are leaders). With the signings made and talented young players, I feel confident in our full-backs, centre mids and wide forwards. IMO we need 5 x senior pros - 2 x CBs, 2 x CFs and 1 x GK. At CB, next season two senior pros to add to Sarr, REG and RCN. At CF, Campbell as a squad player, Phillips (who did well last night) plus two senior pros. I’d like to see a good quality GK to compete with Schofield as he is still very young for a GK. No-one flamboyant - just a steady pair of hands who is a top professional. I have really enjoyed watching us this season (don’t get me wrong, I hate losing!) but we have a clear direction and I think we need to stick with CC and believe in what he is doing. Finances are tough in the current situation with Covid, but if we clear out the deadwood then hopefully Phil will back CC to bring in the players we need for the spine of the team. UTT I'm not sure that CC is an incredibly talented coach/manager. He seams to be very one dimensional in his coaching. The style of play and tactics he is trying to implement with the group of players he has is not working and he seems unable or unwilling to change either. An incredibly talented coach/manger would have changed the style of play and the tactics by now to try and reverse the slump in form. An incredibly talented coach would be coaching his players on the training pitch to manage games once they've taken the lead, not lose 7 games out of the 30 played where they have taken the lead. There seems to be one style of play and one tactic. When it's not working he seems unable to tweak or change it either during a match or on the training ground ahead of the next match. An incredibly talented coach would be able to make these tweaks and changes. His substitutions have at times been strange and seemed reactionary rather than pro-active. I don't think he yet ready to be a Head Coach. He's still a young up and coming coach who would make an excellent Assistant coach to an experience Head Coach, as he was at Leads. Or if he's gonna be a Head Coach he needs to have an experienced coach as his assistant. Someone who's done the Head Coach role successfully, but now wants to take a back seat to a young up and coming coach. I think he may very well ultimately become a talented Head Coach. However, at the moment he's not. Town could benefit massively by bringing in some experience to work alongside him for the rest of this season and 1 or 2 seasons after. Carlos is a talented youngster with lots of potential, but he's not yet ready for the first team...... Excellent analysis 👏🏻
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Post by aca00js on Feb 18, 2021 0:25:35 GMT 1
All these dire predictions of nailed on relegation and how we were going to slip into the basement etc...deja vu anyone, we heard it all last season and here we are again, im under no illusions that the situations bad, but the white flag wavers are out earlier than last season! We're currently 1 point better off than we were at this stage last season but the difference is after matchday 30 third bottom had 24 points last season, this season third bottom have currently only played 29 games but have 28 points. I think people are quite justified to be concerned at our situation. If anyone is waving a white flag it's the players. What worries me is Hull were on 39 points at this stage and only picked up 6 points in the last 16 games.
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Post by willo on Feb 18, 2021 2:18:15 GMT 1
Agree to disagree - I’d rather stick with a philosophy and management team for at least 2-3 years to see it come to fruition. If we had a team of world beaters, then yes, it would be reasonable to expect a quicker level of improved results. Clearly he has coached the group and turned them from a boring pragmatic style under the Cowleys to free flowing football. If we had backed him with a goalscorer and had been a bit luckier with defensive injuries, we would be top half IMO. What would you rather do? Bring in a Chris Powell or Mark Robins journeyman type just because they have ‘experience’? I did say I'd like to stick with him, but bring someone with experience to help him and help him develop as a Head Coach. Ernesto Valverde or Oscar Garcia would be my pick as an Experienced Head Coach to come in and help CC in the short to medium term. Rafa Benitez is also available probably until the summer. All Spanish, all managed at much higher levels and bigger clubs than Town and all had decent levels of success...... Rafa Benitez! 😆 Got more chance of plaiting piss.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 18, 2021 12:54:57 GMT 1
Agree to disagree - I’d rather stick with a philosophy and management team for at least 2-3 years to see it come to fruition. If we had a team of world beaters, then yes, it would be reasonable to expect a quicker level of improved results. Clearly he has coached the group and turned them from a boring pragmatic style under the Cowleys to free flowing football. If we had backed him with a goalscorer and had been a bit luckier with defensive injuries, we would be top half IMO. What would you rather do? Bring in a Chris Powell or Mark Robins journeyman type just because they have ‘experience’? I did say I'd like to stick with him, but bring someone with experience to help him and help him develop as a Head Coach. Ernesto Valverde or Oscar Garcia would be my pick as an Experienced Head Coach to come in and help CC in the short to medium term. Rafa Benitez is also available probably until the summer. All Spanish, all managed at much higher levels and bigger clubs than Town and all had decent levels of success...... Benitez? Some people just don’t live in the real world.
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Post by Champers on Feb 18, 2021 13:05:48 GMT 1
I did say I'd like to stick with him, but bring someone with experience to help him and help him develop as a Head Coach. Ernesto Valverde or Oscar Garcia would be my pick as an Experienced Head Coach to come in and help CC in the short to medium term. Rafa Benitez is also available probably until the summer. All Spanish, all managed at much higher levels and bigger clubs than Town and all had decent levels of success...... Benitez? Some people just don’t live in the real world. The first two suggestions were hilarious enough. Two guys who were managing in La Liga within the last 12 months, one of them at Barcelona ffs 😂😂😂 I bet they'd both chew off their own cocks for a chance at not even being manager for a relegation-threatened English Championship club neither of them have ever heard of. You can always rely on this place to put a smile on your face.
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Post by dalesterrier on Feb 18, 2021 13:29:43 GMT 1
IF he'd been lied to about recruitment, budgets etc wouldn't you walk? Because the longer this run goes on , it all affects his reputation. If he feels the squad is not what he was promised, then surely you'd go wouldn't you?
However, if this is what he was sold (get more out of current squad, bring in academy players, develop an identity, system) then he surely has to take a lot of the responsibility. I'm not seeing the identity anymore. He appears reluctant at best to change things. And doesn't seem to trust the younger players unless he's left with no option.
Just my musings but I'm not at all convinced he can turn this around. And it is never a good sign for a manager/coach, when you start playing people out of position. Almost a last throw of the dice
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Post by redshadow on Feb 18, 2021 14:12:25 GMT 1
Plus i distinctly remember cc saying, during at least one pre transfer window interview,even the very day before it closed,that he was very happy to go with the players he had at the club, what that says about whether he truly wanted a striker who knows, but he paying the ferry man as it stands .
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Post by dm on Feb 18, 2021 14:44:39 GMT 1
By the end of the season: Needs to stop the pissing about at the back. We've needed to stop that for 3 years. Needs to stop playing (or trying to play) the players past their best such as Campbell, Keogh, Ward. If that means he has to use the B team, u19 and u17s then thats what he has to do - he said he was happy with the squad. Needs to adapt training/tone it down so the small squad aren't always all out with injuries.
If he does all that, we might have a chance of staying up and then I'd be happy for him to stay. We play some nice football at times when the squad isn't nearly all on the physio's table.
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Post by aca00js on Feb 21, 2021 17:42:13 GMT 1
So pleased for Carlos yesterday, I had thought he wasn't going to sort us out but a few more performances like that and we should be fine
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Feb 21, 2021 18:06:24 GMT 1
So pleased for Carlos yesterday, I had thought he wasn't going to sort us out but a few more performances like that and we should be fine Agree. There were times yesterday when we looked a really good side. If this is the “identity “ often mentioned then once it becomes more consistent, we are in for a treat once we can reclaim our precious seats in the ground.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 21, 2021 18:48:24 GMT 1
It could all change by 10.00 on Tuesday.
CC certainly commands confidence...currently.
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Post by cod on Feb 21, 2021 19:04:07 GMT 1
It could all change by 10.00 on Tuesday. CC certainly commands confidence...currently. As long as he retains the confidence of his players it doesn't matter for me what happens Tuesday. As in every season plenty of twists and turns, ups and downs to come yet. Fickle fans will always be with us.
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 22, 2021 0:40:54 GMT 1
After today it’s hard to see how Carlos turns it around for me but interested to see what we all think. Has anyone done a Phil hodgkinson poll yet? Wonder how that would turn out!
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Post by Melc on Feb 22, 2021 0:47:11 GMT 1
After today it’s hard to see how Carlos turns it around for me but interested to see what we all think. Has anyone done a Phil hodgkinson poll yet? Wonder how that would turn out! I am trying to get my positive head back on after the recent results, did you really have to bring his name up!
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 22, 2021 20:38:43 GMT 1
Has anyone done a Phil hodgkinson poll yet? Wonder how that would turn out! I am trying to get my positive head back on after the recent results, did you really have to bring his name up! I don't mind him to be honest.He thought he was buying a sports car,but ended up with a ford focus with a body kit and a 3ltr engine an had 4 bald tyres and worn out brakes and cost a fortune to insure an was about to fail it's MOT.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Feb 23, 2021 22:45:46 GMT 1
It's now 9 first team players currently either injured/suspended, 7 of them would more than likely be in the starting XI any given week. Rumours about our ridiculous training methods beginning to look very credible now. Add yet another to the list tonight. One of the worst traits anyone can possess in this game is an inability to adapt your methods to try and better a situation. He simply has to go.
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