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Post by willo on Feb 16, 2021 23:02:25 GMT 1
Don't know what to make of that. We go behind and it takes us 30 minutes to stop moping and feeling sorry for ourselves. Can we play like the first 15 and the last 25 minutes all the time? If we can we'll stay up comfortably. You've got to give Rowe a start in the next game, which frees up O'Brien. Phillips needs some game time preferably off the bench. Pritchard just so isolated, no wonder he was brought off at half time. Bacuna...Ahhhhhhhh! agree phillips rowe should start but holmes needs to up his game . u nlucky to not get a point but injuries and individual mistaKes continue to happen Schofield doesnt commaND HIS AREA ENOUGH BUT HE IS YOUNG AND AS DONE OK SO FAR I’m with you tonight positive other than on Schofield, not yet good enough at this level and we should have brought someone with Championship experience in long ago.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 16, 2021 23:02:32 GMT 1
Absolute dire. Just like at Bristol lots of you saying 'feeling better after that 2nd half' Still produced 0 points. Unfortunately, I'm out of patience with CC. And even more so with PH. The only positive from that was that it was only 2-1. We need a change and quick. Against Bristol City we were the better side & deserved at least a point if not all 3. Today, Boro were the better side but a 1000fold improvement on Saturday. Since then I've also now come to terms with our relegation.
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Post by Moooooy on Feb 16, 2021 23:02:54 GMT 1
He'd chin Phil. I'd pay to watch that. Much better than having to shell out to watch our current shitshow. Nigel Pearson isn’t a yes man, so it wouldn’t happen He wouldn’t touch the job with a barge pole, no manager worth their salt would. They’d take one look at the squad and tell us to get fucked, just like the Cowleys did in the summer. Carlos has done really well to get 33 points from this shower, it’s a bottom 3 squad. I do think though that Carlos will be gone soon, it’s stick or twist time and I think Phil’s trigger finger will be getting twitchy.
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Post by portugalterrier on Feb 16, 2021 23:03:25 GMT 1
The to remember about Rowe he is principally right footed so give him some slack with his left footed deliveries. As I have said before playing O Brian at left back has cost us at least 2 points, why don’t we learn.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 23:03:29 GMT 1
Carlos is a good coach but maybe not a good motivator. It's a results business and it simply isn't good enough. Phil has absolutely killed him with the quality he's given him Personally I would resign before he gets pushed.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Feb 16, 2021 23:03:36 GMT 1
Changing the manager will achieve nothing with a squad that poor. All decent managers would avoid us until the summer when they could get their own people in. Given the failure to back CC I can only see desperate people joining us who would go down and then we would sack halfway through next season.
PH needs to go but there is nothing we can do about that. If he sacks CC he is just scapegoating him for his own failings
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Feb 16, 2021 23:04:05 GMT 1
Has Parkinson and Hoyle between them any idea of the what problems they have caused the club
Where did it all go wrong
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Post by tvor on Feb 16, 2021 23:04:30 GMT 1
On the positive side of things, first mention of ‘keeping someone honest’ came at 8 seconds.
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Post by portugalterrier on Feb 16, 2021 23:05:05 GMT 1
The LOB at LB experiment has to end but at least there were some positives to take from that, unlike the Wycombe game. Still think CC has only one game to get a positive result, mind. We can't beat teams woefully out of form so here's hoping we can do something against those who aren't. “Can’t beat teams out of form” we aren’t exactly in form , especially with 6 main players missing.
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Post by stanton1969 on Feb 16, 2021 23:05:41 GMT 1
Has Parkinson and Hoyle between them any idea of the what problems they have caused for what not long ago was a premier league club with an income estimated to be £200 million. Where did it all go wrong At least Parkinson didn't turn up. I wish PH hadn't.
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Post by theravymoomin on Feb 16, 2021 23:05:57 GMT 1
Not read all the other 38 pages but Christ, WhT is with the obsession of just hoofing the ball in the air when we pass it, Happened about 5 times In the space of 5 mins and we lost the ball every time, can we not just pick out a 5 yard pass back to our central defender or back inside?
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Post by ACW on Feb 16, 2021 23:06:38 GMT 1
Has Parkinson and Hoyle between them any idea of the what problems they have caused the club Where did it all go wrong Aye, that Parky is a right dodgy fucker!
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Post by iangreaves on Feb 16, 2021 23:06:54 GMT 1
Changing the manager will achieve nothing with a squad that poor. All decent managers would avoid us until the summer when they could get their own people in. Given the failure to back CC I can only see desperate people joining us who would go down and then we would sack halfway through next season. PH needs to go but there is nothing we can do about that. If he sacks CC he is just scapegoating him for his own failings And knowing that a set of clowns were going to be recruiting your players for you. The Cowleys knew what they were doing when they insisted they had control of recruitment or they were ot coming to Town.
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Post by schindlersmissed on Feb 16, 2021 23:07:56 GMT 1
I think people are over egging Rowe's performance. Two or three good bits of play but lots of mistakes too Phillips was excellent and should be starting Agreed
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 16, 2021 23:08:32 GMT 1
Has Parkinson and Hoyle between them any idea of the what problems they have caused the club Where did it all go wrong Not really sure it's his fault tbh.
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Post by alexdire on Feb 16, 2021 23:09:06 GMT 1
Has Parkinson and Hoyle between them any idea of the what problems they have caused the club Where did it all go wrong We would be better with an empty chair. Instead of empty pocketed one.
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Post by willo on Feb 16, 2021 23:09:40 GMT 1
The LOB at LB experiment has to end but at least there were some positives to take from that, unlike the Wycombe game. Still think CC has only one game to get a positive result, mind. We can't beat teams woefully out of form so here's hoping we can do something against those who aren't. Do we really think CC is on borrowed time? He only got a new deal 2/3 months ago although this winless run can’t continue forever without some action being taken. Think he’d be unlucky, we don’t know what he was sold before he signed on the dotted line but pretty sure it wouldn’t have been “we’re selling all the talent and we’re only spending peanuts on incoming transfers so you’ll just have to make do with the overpaid cak already here and a few academy players”. He’s had a totally bum deal.
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Post by Galpharmer on Feb 16, 2021 23:10:28 GMT 1
Leigh Bromby next manager. Lump on.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Feb 16, 2021 23:10:31 GMT 1
What gets me is Sarr is our playmaker, there is noone else who consistently sets up the plays. I know we were spoiled with Mooy but its a huge difference and relying on a "ball playing" centrehalf is risky. If he could do it well he would be a Premier League player as noone expects that really. The midfielders we have are "ratters" they work and scrabble for balls, work hard and break up play and can do a decent short pass but dont have that vision. I know they arent cheap but having someone would change the dynamic of our team and help the way CC wants to play.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 16, 2021 23:10:45 GMT 1
Has Parkinson and Hoyle between them any idea of the what problems they have caused the club Where did it all go wrong Not really sure it's his fault tbh. I reckon Ken could do a job up front. Better balance than Campbell for sure
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Post by alexdire on Feb 16, 2021 23:11:02 GMT 1
Not read all the other 38 pages but Christ, WhT is with the obsession of just hoofing the ball in the air when we pass it, Happened about 5 times In the space of 5 mins and we lost the ball every time, can we not just pick out a 5 yard pass back to our central defender or back inside? We only lost 2-1. It would have been more if we'd tried that. Have you seen how successful we've been passing out from the back.
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Post by Matt1908 on Feb 16, 2021 23:11:04 GMT 1
I don't think changing Carlos is the answer, what we should be asking is how can we help him.
Free agents, some reportedly being contacted, at last.
More support in the coaching staff, some experience of the division perhaps?
Sports psychologist?
Hopefully these things are being looked at before it really does get too late
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Post by ilsonterrier on Feb 16, 2021 23:11:30 GMT 1
Hoyle didn’t expect his money back and therefore didn’t need it back. Wanting it all plus keeping 25% of the club has fucked us up. He should have taken it after the first season in the premier league not after sanctioning a budget that we couldn’t afford if he wanted it back. Then he sold it to someone who could only pay it back from the parachute money..,, That is why we are fucked. Hoyle sucked parachute payment money out of the club when surely knowing it was vital for rebuilding . Thats the main reason we have a pile of shite Not just that, but continued to take his money back, even after the pandemic hit when the club's income was hit massively, both from ticket sales but also because the parachute money was cut. Many people have suffered financially from the pandemic but others have benefitted from it. Seems Hoyle didn't want to be in the former category - as long as he gets his money back he doesn't seem to care what happens to his football club.
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Post by willo on Feb 16, 2021 23:11:39 GMT 1
Has Parkinson and Hoyle between them any idea of the what problems they have caused for what not long ago was a premier league club with an income estimated to be £200 million. Where did it all go wrong At least Parkinson didn't turn up. I wish PH hadn't. Who’s this Parkinson character?
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Post by stanton1969 on Feb 16, 2021 23:12:48 GMT 1
At least Parkinson didn't turn up. I wish PH hadn't. Who’s this Parkinson character? No idea....I didn't see him.
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Post by richhtfc on Feb 16, 2021 23:12:51 GMT 1
We only got better towards the end because Middlesbrough stopped pushing forward and let us have the ball, then mcnair got his marching orders and the backs was against the wall then. Truly awful performance bar the first 10 minutes. Well done to Phillips looks built to play championship football. Rowe still looks raw but promising Don’t agree, we looked better second half because we actually started competing for the ball, kept our shape and completed our passes.
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Post by mickydombat on Feb 16, 2021 23:12:59 GMT 1
Honestly thought at ht we were going to get hammered. I know it's fine margins but if we can play without fear then a few instances of the ball bouncing in our favour please, then we can soon climb the table. Panicking will not do us any favours.Keep the faith, I feel we can do it now.
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Post by boooothy on Feb 16, 2021 23:13:00 GMT 1
Birmingham, Rotherham, Coventry. We need 2 of these 3 to be shit.
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Post by theravymoomin on Feb 16, 2021 23:13:01 GMT 1
Not read all the other 38 pages but Christ, WhT is with the obsession of just hoofing the ball in the air when we pass it, Happened about 5 times In the space of 5 mins and we lost the ball every time, can we not just pick out a 5 yard pass back to our central defender or back inside? We only lost 2-1. It would have been more if we'd tried that. Have you seen how successful we've been passing out from the back. To be fair you are right But it’s frustrating as hell,
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Post by galphamer74 on Feb 16, 2021 23:13:07 GMT 1
Carlos doesn’t have any authority. He can coach that’s it. He can’t get involved in any discussion about transfers. He’s not a manager who can run things from the top to the bottom. He’s been brought in to perform fucking miracles whilst not being able to give an opinion beyond the usual post match cliques. I feel for the guy. He’s been naive but Phil has truly left him high & dry. He’ll be gone soon and we’ll all have to suffer the next round of excuses from our catastrophe of a chairman
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