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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 4, 2022 20:23:10 GMT 1
They’re bullies. Looking forward to them getting a taste of their own medicine next season, if that means I’ve no class then I’ll happily take that. How are Forest bullies? Is this a personal experience you've had? I was at Wembley and the vast majority of the time it was very good natured between the fans. Both on the tube and down Wembley way. I think I saw you on the tube. Were you the one with the hard copy London A-Z trying to find your way to Wembley? |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 4, 2022 20:24:56 GMT 1
How are Forest bullies? Is this a personal experience you've had? I was at Wembley and the vast majority of the time it was very good natured between the fans. Both on the tube and down Wembley way. I think I saw you on the tube. Were you the one with the hard copy London A-Z trying to find your way to Wembley? Looking for the twin towers 😉 |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jul 4, 2022 21:05:07 GMT 1
How does being friendly stop the club having any success?! Not a lot we can do on fees if O’Brien has a release clause and Toffolo is out of contract. Weak mindset throughout the club. Toffolo isn’t out of contract as we speak, if a club doesn’t match our valuation then tough, he stays. And he might as well if the rumours are right we’re only getting 2.5M.But that £2.5m could potentially buy another 5 or 6 Toffolos? Fortunately there’s responsible adults in charge at Town and not petulant little children with over-inflated senses of entitlement. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 4, 2022 21:15:49 GMT 1
Weak mindset throughout the club. Toffolo isn’t out of contract as we speak, if a club doesn’t match our valuation then tough, he stays. And he might as well if the rumours are right we’re only getting 2.5M.But that £2.5m could potentially buy another 5 or 6 Toffolos? Fortunately there’s responsible adults in charge at Town and not petulant little children with over-inflated senses of entitlement. That’s ok but even after selling billing and grant for over 30m we only got a couple of players around the 500k price. If we let O’Brien and toff go for a combined 12/13m then what do you think the chances are of buying anyone?? Oh and I’ve no problem with free transfers |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jul 4, 2022 21:24:18 GMT 1
I’m sure most fans don’t care too much over the players leaving.
What irks is that the chances of even half the income generated being reinvested into the team is next to none.
It will go the same way as the Billing & Grant instalments - all servicing historic debt.
It was understandable when the players leaving were well into 8 figure but when the best left back in the league is prised away for £2.5m and our locally born star player is also off it is bound to yank a few chains.
Will we see much ambition or are we going to stay humble and remember who we really are - pretty much a mid-third tier team who’ve had a decade long golden period?
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 4, 2022 21:46:51 GMT 1
Weak mindset throughout the club. Toffolo isn’t out of contract as we speak, if a club doesn’t match our valuation then tough, he stays. And he might as well if the rumours are right we’re only getting 2.5M.But that £2.5m could potentially buy another 5 or 6 Toffolos? Fortunately there’s responsible adults in charge at Town and not petulant little children with over-inflated senses of entitlement. Stop hurling insults from behind your keyboard you melt |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 4, 2022 21:51:42 GMT 1
I’m sure most fans don’t care too much over the players leaving. What irks is that the chances of even half the income generated being reinvested into the team is next to none. It will go the same way as the Billing & Grant instalments - all servicing historic debt. It was understandable when the players leaving were well into 8 figure but when the best left back in the league is prised away for £2.5m and our locally born star player is also off it is bound to yank a few chains. Will we see much ambition or are we going to stay humble and remember who we really are - pretty much a mid-third tier team who’ve had a decade long golden period? Local born ? Wasn't he born in Colchester 🤔 |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jul 4, 2022 21:51:46 GMT 1
But that £2.5m could potentially buy another 5 or 6 Toffolos? Fortunately there’s responsible adults in charge at Town and not petulant little children with over-inflated senses of entitlement. Stop hurling insults from behind your keyboard you melt Stop pissing your knickers then. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jul 4, 2022 22:01:37 GMT 1
I’m sure most fans don’t care too much over the players leaving. What irks is that the chances of even half the income generated being reinvested into the team is next to none. It will go the same way as the Billing & Grant instalments - all servicing historic debt. It was understandable when the players leaving were well into 8 figure but when the best left back in the league is prised away for £2.5m and our locally born star player is also off it is bound to yank a few chains. Will we see much ambition or are we going to stay humble and remember who we really are - pretty much a mid-third tier team who’ve had a decade long golden period? Local born ? Wasn't he born in Colchester 🤔 Was he? Balls to him then. |
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 4, 2022 22:08:10 GMT 1
Weak mindset throughout the club. Toffolo isn’t out of contract as we speak, if a club doesn’t match our valuation then tough, he stays. And he might as well if the rumours are right we’re only getting 2.5M.But that £2.5m could potentially buy another 5 or 6 Toffolos? Fortunately there’s responsible adults in charge at Town and not petulant little children with over-inflated senses of entitlement. Potentially, but it won’t. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 4, 2022 22:15:12 GMT 1
I’m sure most fans don’t care too much over the players leaving. What irks is that the chances of even half the income generated being reinvested into the team is next to none.It will go the same way as the Billing & Grant instalments - all servicing historic debt. It was understandable when the players leaving were well into 8 figure but when the best left back in the league is prised away for £2.5m and our locally born star player is also off it is bound to yank a few chains. Will we see much ambition or are we going to stay humble and remember who we really are - pretty much a mid-third tier team who’ve had a decade long golden period? We'll probably invest very little in the squad but we have to remember that in addition to owing Hoyle, we also have zero parachute payments now and with us having some of the cheapest season tickets in the league, the shortfall has to come from somewhere. I'd happy for us to continue to recruit as per last summer and clear our debts. We also need to start bringing through some of our academy players and its encouraging that the likes of Jones, Camara & Diarra feature in today's first team training pictures. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 22:33:10 GMT 1
I’m sure most fans don’t care too much over the players leaving. What irks is that the chances of even half the income generated being reinvested into the team is next to none.It will go the same way as the Billing & Grant instalments - all servicing historic debt. It was understandable when the players leaving were well into 8 figure but when the best left back in the league is prised away for £2.5m and our locally born star player is also off it is bound to yank a few chains. Will we see much ambition or are we going to stay humble and remember who we really are - pretty much a mid-third tier team who’ve had a decade long golden period? We'll probably invest very little in the squad but we have to remember that in addition to owing Hoyle, we also have zero parachute payments now and with us having some of the cheapest season tickets in the league, the shortfall has to come from somewhere. I'd happy for us to continue to recruit as per last summer and clear our debts. We also need to start bringing through some of our academy players and its encouraging that the likes of Jones, Camara & Diarra feature in today's first team training pictures. Spencer and REG were in there too and Bilokapic. This is what we hoped for from the new academy structure. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 4, 2022 22:33:56 GMT 1
I’m sure most fans don’t care too much over the players leaving. What irks is that the chances of even half the income generated being reinvested into the team is next to none.It will go the same way as the Billing & Grant instalments - all servicing historic debt. It was understandable when the players leaving were well into 8 figure but when the best left back in the league is prised away for £2.5m and our locally born star player is also off it is bound to yank a few chains. Will we see much ambition or are we going to stay humble and remember who we really are - pretty much a mid-third tier team who’ve had a decade long golden period? We'll probably invest very little in the squad but we have to remember that in addition to owing Hoyle, we also have zero parachute payments now and with us having some of the cheapest season tickets in the league, the shortfall has to come from somewhere. I'd happy for us to continue to recruit as per last summer and clear our debts. We also need to start bringing through some of our academy players and its encouraging that the likes of Jones, Camara & Diarra feature in today's first team training pictures. At the same time: the wages have been totally slashed and we have the fairly considerable Grant installments, plus the odd other inflow, such as for the sale of Pipa. How much we lose out due to cheap season tickets starts to pale into insignificance, especially when you factor we'd undoubtedly sell less if we added another £100 to the cost. I'm all for promoting promising youngsters quicker than some would like, but you'd hope the savings would be used to spend a bit on the gaps it's harder to fill. The noises suggest this isn’t likely. |
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 4, 2022 22:57:46 GMT 1
But that £2.5m could potentially buy another 5 or 6 Toffolos? Fortunately there’s responsible adults in charge at Town and not petulant little children with over-inflated senses of entitlement. Stop hurling insults from behind your keyboard you melt A bit of a pot and kettle post ahahah |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 4, 2022 23:23:30 GMT 1
Stop hurling insults from behind your keyboard you melt Stop pissing your knickers then. You have latched on to a saying to prove what a super top fan you are. You deserve a blue Peter badge. Well done Maureen |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jul 5, 2022 0:30:35 GMT 1
Stop pissing your knickers then. You have latched on to a saying to prove what a super top fan you are. You deserve a blue Peter badge. Well done Maureen Oh, the fucking irony… |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 5, 2022 6:22:31 GMT 1
But that £2.5m could potentially buy another 5 or 6 Toffolos? Fortunately there’s responsible adults in charge at Town and not petulant little children with over-inflated senses of entitlement. Potentially, but it won’t. Agreed. Why would we use the money generated to buy 5 or 6 left backs? |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 5, 2022 6:35:02 GMT 1
It wasnt forest that robbed us, it was the referees. Im indifferent about forest. Sometimes you need luck to be on your side and they had it on the day. I dont blame them. Even with the joke referee, if we'd have played anything like at our best we'd have won the game comfortably because on the day both teams were shite. Thats not their fault, its ours. The only thing of interest from Tofollo or Obrien leaving is the money wed get for them. Makes zero difference to me if its from Forest, Leicester , Leeds or AC Milan. they've both been good players for us so I wish them well wherever they go. Yes it was the referees at fault but it wasn’t the referees that were singing about us been robbed and adding #htafc into every post they posted literally taking the piss!! The reason so many fans now hate forest is due to the way the majority of the fans have carried themselves after the game ! All they deserve it to beat Derbys record !!! If I'd just been central to a case of either astonishing incompetence or match fixing (FWIW I still believe the latter) I would be trying to keep a low profile too. They're celebrating and having a bit of banter. I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over that - however irritating some of their fans are. My animosity is towards PGMOL and whoever else may have put pressure on Messrs Moss and Tierney to ensure the "correct" result. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 5, 2022 11:10:17 GMT 1
Think our scouting team deserve a bit more credit and confidence than theyre being given after their successes in the last year or so.
Its an inevitability that we will lose our best players. Just like pretty much every other club.( Im just delighted we've kept hold of Nichols as he's the most important player we have IMO )
But we've shown that we are capable of spotting good talent and improving our squad without spending vast sums.
Its when we DO spend big money that it tends to unravel!
Have faith. They'll be working on all sorts of deals just now. Some might require LOB or HT to leave first, and some wont.
but as ever, so many of these deals are part of a chain of events that has to happen first..ie we can't have player x until his club sign player y , who need another club to sign player z...
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Post by townatheart on Jul 5, 2022 11:31:22 GMT 1
Think our scouting team deserve a bit more credit and confidence than theyre being given after their successes in the last year or so. Its an inevitability that we will lose our best players. Just like pretty much every other club.( Im just delighted we've kept hold of Nichols as he's the most important player we have IMO ) But we've shown that we are capable of spotting good talent and improving our squad without spending vast sums. Its when we DO spend big money that it tends to unravel! Have faith. They'll be working on all sorts of deals just now. Some might require LOB or HT to leave first, and some wont. but as ever, so many of these deals are part of a chain of events that has to happen first..ie we can't have player x until his club sign player y , who need another club to sign player z... IMO this is sound and sensible thinking, and if needs be let's also remind ourselves that we had to wait a few weeks before knowing with certainty which path we were going down. |
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 5, 2022 11:41:20 GMT 1
Think our scouting team deserve a bit more credit and confidence than theyre being given after their successes in the last year or so. Its an inevitability that we will lose our best players. Just like pretty much every other club.( Im just delighted we've kept hold of Nichols as he's the most important player we have IMO ) But we've shown that we are capable of spotting good talent and improving our squad without spending vast sums. Its when we DO spend big money that it tends to unravel! Have faith. They'll be working on all sorts of deals just now. Some might require LOB or HT to leave first, and some wont. but as ever, so many of these deals are part of a chain of events that has to happen first..ie we can't have player x until his club sign player y , who need another club to sign player z... Ah - someone finally talking some sense! Couldn’t agree more |
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 5, 2022 14:31:34 GMT 1
The difference between last year and this is we needed virtually a whole new back line including keeper so that was brought in early as this takes more time to gel IMO although lees came in a bit later.
We will bring players in but the right players we are a little behind as we had no idea which players to approach due to playoffs even if we had lists you can't say to them if we don't go up we want you but if we do we don't ,so may have missed some but IMO clubs have looked at what we did and are possibly trying the same approach so we may have a bit more competition for certain players we may have had a clearer run at last year.
Trust the team they have earned that from last year's recruitment.
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Post by rockwall on Jul 5, 2022 14:50:28 GMT 1
Think our scouting team deserve a bit more credit and confidence than theyre being given after their successes in the last year or so. Its an inevitability that we will lose our best players. Just like pretty much every other club.( Im just delighted we've kept hold of Nichols as he's the most important player we have IMO ) But we've shown that we are capable of spotting good talent and improving our squad without spending vast sums. Its when we DO spend big money that it tends to unravel! Have faith. They'll be working on all sorts of deals just now. Some might require LOB or HT to leave first, and some wont. but as ever, so many of these deals are part of a chain of events that has to happen first..ie we can't have player x until his club sign player y , who need another club to sign player z... Ah - someone finally talking some sense! Couldn’t agree more The bit that confuses many... you mention spending BIG money. I haven't seen many saying spend big. I have seen people saying spend some money. I fully agree with what you have said, however, I have mentioned spending money, that could be 500k or 1m. I personally would be frustrated if we went spending millions. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 5, 2022 14:58:19 GMT 1
The difference between last year and this is we needed virtually a whole new back line including keeper so that was brought in early as this takes more time to gel IMO although lees came in a bit later. We will bring players in but the right players we are a little behind as we had no idea which players to approach due to playoffs even if we had lists you can't say to them if we don't go up we want you but if we do we don't ,so may have missed some but IMO clubs have looked at what we did and are possibly trying the same approach so we may have a bit more competition for certain players we may have had a clearer run at last year. Trust the team they have earned that from last year's recruitment. We have lost 3 key players from the run in towards the end of the season in Sarr, Colwill and Pipa. If Toffolo goes that's 4. We have brought in Boyle (unproven at this level) and have REG back who is again unproven at this level. They may turn out to be great but it can also be argued we may have to restructure the defence again. |
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Post by prepare on Jul 5, 2022 15:31:21 GMT 1
That is a fair point Ernie but as I understand both toff and Lewis could well stay and I’m sure town are well aware of the situation end of august before deadline close I think anything can happen
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Post by hoggy1975 on Jul 5, 2022 15:44:08 GMT 1
I may be in the minority here but if we got £10 million up front for O’brien and used SOME of it to buy good quality championship players for the squad then I’d be comfortable with that.
I think a defensive mid with better passing ability than Hogg would be part of a transition for the team to play more like Carlos wants.
A replacement for Lewis who’s also hardworking but also contributes more in terms of assists and goals.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 5, 2022 15:50:55 GMT 1
I may be in the minority here but if we got £10 million up front for O’brien and used SOME of it to buy good quality championship players for the squad then I’d be comfortable with that. I think a defensive mid with better passing ability than Hogg would be part of a transition for the team to play more like Carlos wants. A replacement for Lewis who’s also hardworking but also contributes more in terms of assists and goals. Think the last sentence there they will probably look for the attributes across two maybe 3 players.From what I can gather the legs and some of the ball carrying ability would be filled by kasumu,who seems to be coming in regardless of whether Lewis goes.The goals bit could be the rudoni link but maybe that someone needs to go to get him with a fee been involved. The assists…maybe a prem loan? |
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 5, 2022 16:01:24 GMT 1
The difference between last year and this is we needed virtually a whole new back line including keeper so that was brought in early as this takes more time to gel IMO although lees came in a bit later. We will bring players in but the right players we are a little behind as we had no idea which players to approach due to playoffs even if we had lists you can't say to them if we don't go up we want you but if we do we don't ,so may have missed some but IMO clubs have looked at what we did and are possibly trying the same approach so we may have a bit more competition for certain players we may have had a clearer run at last year. Trust the team they have earned that from last year's recruitment. We have lost 3 key players from the run in towards the end of the season in Sarr, Colwill and Pipa. If Toffolo goes that's 4. We have brought in Boyle (unproven at this level) and have REG back who is again unproven at this level. They may turn out to be great but it can also be argued we may have to restructure the defence again. A fair point but I'd say Pipa was only in due to turtons injury. Yes Toff may need replacing or they may have faith in ruffles. Just got to keep the trust in Carlos and bromby they have earned it. |
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Post by goodbet on Jul 5, 2022 20:29:06 GMT 1
Think our scouting team deserve a bit more credit and confidence than theyre being given after their successes in the last year or so. Its an inevitability that we will lose our best players. Just like pretty much every other club.( Im just delighted we've kept hold of Nichols as he's the most important player we have IMO ) But we've shown that we are capable of spotting good talent and improving our squad without spending vast sums. Its when we DO spend big money that it tends to unravel! Have faith. They'll be working on all sorts of deals just now. Some might require LOB or HT to leave first, and some wont. but as ever, so many of these deals are part of a chain of events that has to happen first..ie we can't have player x until his club sign player y , who need another club to sign player z... I think that you are right, but this season we need something different to what we were looking for last year. This year we may be loosing two of our better players and we do need a bit more quality further forward that will take a little more quality that we are being linked with to date. It is still early doors and we have not lost our better players as yet, but I believe that some nerves are beginning to show as we are not sure what Deans plans are and what funds will be used for transfers and what will be used to pay him back. Maybe Dean can come clean when the club is fully transferred back to him, we will have to wait and see. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 5, 2022 20:35:27 GMT 1
Think our scouting team deserve a bit more credit and confidence than theyre being given after their successes in the last year or so. Its an inevitability that we will lose our best players. Just like pretty much every other club.( Im just delighted we've kept hold of Nichols as he's the most important player we have IMO ) But we've shown that we are capable of spotting good talent and improving our squad without spending vast sums. Its when we DO spend big money that it tends to unravel! Have faith. They'll be working on all sorts of deals just now. Some might require LOB or HT to leave first, and some wont. but as ever, so many of these deals are part of a chain of events that has to happen first..ie we can't have player x until his club sign player y , who need another club to sign player z... I think that you are right, but this season we need something different to what we were looking for last year. This year we may be loosing two of our better players and we do need a bit more quality further forward that will take a little more quality that we are being linked with to date. It is still early doors and we have not lost our better players as yet, but I believe that some nerves are beginning to show as we are not sure what Deans plans are and what funds will be used for transfers and what will be used to pay him back. Maybe Dean can come clean when the club is fully transferred back to him, we will have to wait and see. It certainly seems to have gone quiet on the ownership front, I wonder what the hold up is? I also wonder if and when Dean assumes full control if he has a buyer lined up? All seems to have gone quiet regarding rumours of a takeover from the former Ipswich bloke. |
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