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Post by Tiro on Jul 17, 2022 20:27:28 GMT 1
What were folk thinking we were gonna get for a player who has a £10m clause and one that’s out of contract in 12 months and won’t sign a new one??
Personally I think we’re only £1m shy of their retail value. But it may be that the instalments for paying less for LOB are better and we get a better sell on clause / bonus’.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 17, 2022 20:28:26 GMT 1
If the up front deal is £10 million, for Lewis & Toffs, then they've had our pants down! Has Dean lost his touch, touch it would have been £12 million, plus extras. Look at the deal PH negotiated with WBA, piss poor in my opinion! The interests of Dean Hoyle and Phil hodgkinson are very different.. short term and long term. Debts and loans, Owner and seller etc. |
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Post by harris on Jul 17, 2022 20:29:07 GMT 1
Hopefully we've got a couple of decent replacements lined up. Surely we can spend a 1/4 of the fees received Don't get your hopes up, the replacements are already here. I still expect a loan possibly 2. This is what Htafc35 is referring to |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 17, 2022 20:30:16 GMT 1
Excellent so Maynard said it then
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Post by griffa on Jul 17, 2022 20:32:06 GMT 1
I don't know how much we have got for Lewis. But those folks castigating the club for not getting more are ignoring the basics of supply and demand. No matter what you think a player is worth, the price will be governed by whatever someone is willing to pay. The alternative would be to keep the player, but that was never going to happen. The release clause was £10 million, blows your theory apart! What's the point of agreeing to a £10 million release clause, in a contract, if you don't stick to it? Diabolical Dean Hoyle! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 20:32:57 GMT 1
If the up front deal is £10 million, for Lewis & Toffs, then they've had our pants down! Has Dean lost his touch, touch it would have been £12 million, plus extras. Look at the deal PH negotiated with WBA, piss poor in my opinion! Is it better to keep two players who don’t want to be here and want to triple / quadruple there wages in the Prem, or get a decent deal for both players that should work well for us long term and short term. We have seen only a few seasons ago how having players not wanting to be here really hinders the team moral, we want players who want to play for the club and want to move to the next level like Toff and LOB zap they play there best while with us these two are exactly the characters we want in our team, not the ones just here for money. |
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Post by sykeylad on Jul 17, 2022 20:33:39 GMT 1
What were folk thinking we were gonna get for a player who has a £10m clause and one that’s out of contract in 12 months and won’t sign a new one?? Personally I think we’re only £1m shy of their retail value. But it may be that the instalments for paying less for LOB are better and we get a better sell on clause / bonus’. I think that's a fair shout. Was rumoured to be a gentlemans agreement of some sort between LOB and DH. Lewis been at Town since he was 7 I think and due his chance in the big time. Toffs not going to knock his pan out if we didn't sell. Best to get a deal done and move on. |
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Post by griffa on Jul 17, 2022 20:36:29 GMT 1
If the up front deal is £10 million, for Lewis & Toffs, then they've had our pants down! Has Dean lost his touch, touch it would have been £12 million, plus extras. Look at the deal PH negotiated with WBA, piss poor in my opinion! The interests of Dean Hoyle and Phil hodgkinson are very different.. short term and long term. Debts and loans, Owner and seller etc. Yes I understand the difference, still doesn't make it right though! Had a lot of time for Dean Hoyle & ok he wants his money back, but it stinks! |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jul 17, 2022 20:37:02 GMT 1
If the up front deal is £10 million, for Lewis & Toffs, then they've had our pants down! Has Dean lost his touch, touch it would have been £12 million, plus extras. Look at the deal PH negotiated with WBA, piss poor in my opinion! Is it better to keep two players who don’t want to be here and want to triple / quadruple there wages in the Prem, or get a decent deal for both players that should work well for us long term and short term. We have seen only a few seasons ago how having players not wanting to be here really hinders the team moral, we want players who want to play for the club and want to move to the next level like Toff and LOB zap they play there best while with us these two are exactly the characters we want in our team, not the ones just here for money. Who is ‘us’? It only works well for the fanbase in the short term if it is reinvested in players that we badly need to be competitive. And it sounds like that is unlikely (though things may change) to happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 20:37:42 GMT 1
Don't get your hopes up, the replacements are already here. I still expect a loan possibly 2. This is what Htafc35 is referring to Correct this was MaynardBlue post suggesting the same as I said on the summer signings page on Thursday evening. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 17, 2022 20:40:35 GMT 1
I arent in dispute with you pal, I think Phil struck a good deal and hoyle possibly wanted to ensure a deal was done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 20:42:20 GMT 1
Is it better to keep two players who don’t want to be here and want to triple / quadruple there wages in the Prem, or get a decent deal for both players that should work well for us long term and short term. We have seen only a few seasons ago how having players not wanting to be here really hinders the team moral, we want players who want to play for the club and want to move to the next level like Toff and LOB zap they play there best while with us these two are exactly the characters we want in our team, not the ones just here for money. Who is ‘us’? It only works well for the fanbase in the short term if it is reinvested in players that we badly need to be competitive. And it sounds like that is unlikely (though things may change) to happen. Some Reinvestment has already happened, how much do you think we have spent on the signings and new contracts so far ? I tell you now it’s over 50% of the fees we will receive from the trees. We have to be self sufficient especially right now when we don’t technically have an owner, it’s not about DH wanting his money back it’s about DH not wanting to throw more money daily into the club that he doesn’t currently own. LOB we have no choice and can not keep here it’s been agreed a long time if we didn’t go up he could move, Toff why would we keep him and lose for nothing makes no sense. |
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Post by griffa on Jul 17, 2022 20:42:35 GMT 1
What were folk thinking we were gonna get for a player who has a £10m clause and one that’s out of contract in 12 months and won’t sign a new one?? Personally I think we’re only £1m shy of their retail value. But it may be that the instalments for paying less for LOB are better and we get a better sell on clause / bonus’. I think that's a fair shout. Was rumoured to be a gentlemans agreement of some sort between LOB and DH. Lewis been at Town since he was 7 I think and due his chance in the big time. Toffs not going to knock his pan out if we didn't sell. Best to get a deal done and move on. Gentleman's agreement my arse, Dean Hoyle is a hard nosed business man, remember how much he screwed out of Blackburn. Nailed on that Lewis would go, when Moss & Tierney, turned us over, at Wembley. But come on, does he think that we are all stupid? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 20:44:26 GMT 1
I think that's a fair shout. Was rumoured to be a gentlemans agreement of some sort between LOB and DH. Lewis been at Town since he was 7 I think and due his chance in the big time. Toffs not going to knock his pan out if we didn't sell. Best to get a deal done and move on. Gentleman's agreement my arse, Dean Hoyle is a hard nosed business man, remember how much he screwed out of Blackburn. Nailed on that Lewis would go, when Moss & Tierney, turned us over, at Wembley. But come on, does he think that we are all stupid? Why do you think it has taken so long to get sorted ? It’s not because we just rolled over and accepted the first offers…… |
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Post by harris on Jul 17, 2022 20:45:38 GMT 1
I think that's a fair shout. Was rumoured to be a gentlemans agreement of some sort between LOB and DH. Lewis been at Town since he was 7 I think and due his chance in the big time. Toffs not going to knock his pan out if we didn't sell. Best to get a deal done and move on. Gentleman's agreement my arse, Dean Hoyle is a hard nosed business man, remember how much he screwed out of Blackburn. Nailed on that Lewis would go, when Moss & Tierney, turned us over, at Wembley. But come on, does he think that we are all stupid? I think he just doesn’t care anymore, it’s becoming more and more clear. Any custodian of Huddersfield Town would’ve told the scabs where to go after Wembley |
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Post by sykeylad on Jul 17, 2022 20:45:50 GMT 1
LOB agreed to a new contract when he didn't have to. Could have played it like Toffs did but didn't. Of course something could have been understood between them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 20:50:06 GMT 1
Gentleman's agreement my arse, Dean Hoyle is a hard nosed business man, remember how much he screwed out of Blackburn. Nailed on that Lewis would go, when Moss & Tierney, turned us over, at Wembley. But come on, does he think that we are all stupid? I think he just doesn’t care anymore, it’s becoming more and more clear. Any custodian of Huddersfield Town would’ve told the scabs where to go after Wembley Biggest load of BS ever, we actually have an owner who does care (if the deal with PH goes through) we still have to consider HTAFC is a business and currently becoming a successful business on and off the pitch, we are building with a long term strategy not a short term approach to please a few deluded fans who play football manager and prove it’s Posisble for town to win trophies 🏆 We don’t have a sugar daddy in charge we have a fan and a very good business man. |
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Post by pterrier on Jul 17, 2022 20:51:10 GMT 1
What’s the betting that we’ve allowed such a cheap fee for both because Forest are willing to pay it in one instalment thus meaning that Dean doesn’t have to wait around for a few years for his cash. Nice 10 million repayment straight into the bank I doubt it. Why do you doubt it? Dean wanting short term cash influx before seeking a new buyer. Still has himself installed as chief executive; answerable to no one and can dictate anything he wants without much getting out. The only way we have sold both players for lower than o’briens buyout clause (yes I repeat both players; not even O’Brien himself which is a travesty) is purely in the interests of Dean and not htafc; much like the past five years have been |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 20:56:05 GMT 1
Why do you doubt it? Dean wanting short term cash influx before seeking a new buyer. Still has himself installed as chief executive; answerable to no one and can dictate anything he wants without much getting out. The only way we have sold both players for lower than o’briens buyout clause (yes I repeat both players; not even O’Brien himself which is a travesty) is purely in the interests of Dean and not htafc; much like the past five years have been Or don’t sell either and have both here unhappy, not one other premier league club has made an actually offer for either player. We negotiated a very good deal in the end and didn’t just take the first offers. |
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Post by boooothy on Jul 17, 2022 20:57:18 GMT 1
Just watched the Wembley game back and could actually lip read what Lewis and Harry were saying to Moss after the fouls.
I dived ref, no foul, please don’t give the pen, you’ll cost me 20k a week.
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Post by prepare on Jul 17, 2022 20:59:01 GMT 1
Why do you doubt it? Dean wanting short term cash influx before seeking a new buyer. Still has himself installed as chief executive; answerable to no one and can dictate anything he wants without much getting out. The only way we have sold both players for lower than o’briens buyout clause (yes I repeat both players; not even O’Brien himself which is a travesty) is purely in the interests of Dean and not htafc; much like the past five years have been who has confimed we have please tell us it’s just speculation in the press won’t have long to learn a bit more! |
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Post by harris on Jul 17, 2022 21:00:23 GMT 1
I think he just doesn’t care anymore, it’s becoming more and more clear. Any custodian of Huddersfield Town would’ve told the scabs where to go after Wembley Biggest load of BS ever, we actually have an owner who does care (if the deal with PH goes through) we still have to consider HTAFC is a business and currently becoming a successful business on and off the pitch, we are building with a long term strategy not a short term approach to please a few deluded fans who play football manager and prove it’s Posisble for town to win trophies 🏆 We don’t have a sugar daddy in charge we have a fan and a very good business man. Thanks for your input Dean. In all seriousness though, we’ve lost two of our best players, lost our head coach and we’re not reinvesting. Ok we don’t have a sugar daddy in charge, but when you have a great season and were a dodgy ref call away from the jackpot, surely you don’t rip everything up and start again like we have. Out of interest, if Dean was to take in £10m and sell up this week would your opinion change? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jul 17, 2022 21:00:41 GMT 1
Why do you doubt it? Dean wanting short term cash influx before seeking a new buyer. Still has himself installed as chief executive; answerable to no one and can dictate anything he wants without much getting out. The only way we have sold both players for lower than o’briens buyout clause (yes I repeat both players; not even O’Brien himself which is a travesty) is purely in the interests of Dean and not htafc; much like the past five years have been I doubt it because they have spent a fortune on transfer fees alone already and therefore don't have £10m up front to pay out. Very few clubs do. |
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Post by arry11 on Jul 17, 2022 21:02:17 GMT 1
I think that's a fair shout. Was rumoured to be a gentlemans agreement of some sort between LOB and DH. Lewis been at Town since he was 7 I think and due his chance in the big time. Toffs not going to knock his pan out if we didn't sell. Best to get a deal done and move on. Gentleman's agreement my arse, Dean Hoyle is a hard nosed business man, remember how much he screwed out of Blackburn. Nailed on that Lewis would go, when Moss & Tierney, turned us over, at Wembley. But come on, does he think that we are all stupid? The deal needed sorting so we could move on and it took a bit of negotiating and probably not the best outcome we would of liked but given we did not have many options best we suck it up and look to the future UTT. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jul 17, 2022 21:03:36 GMT 1
Who is ‘us’? It only works well for the fanbase in the short term if it is reinvested in players that we badly need to be competitive. And it sounds like that is unlikely (though things may change) to happen. Some Reinvestment has already happened, how much do you think we have spent on the signings and new contracts so far ? I tell you now it’s over 50% of the fees we will receive from the trees. We have to be self sufficient especially right now when we don’t technically have an owner, it’s not about DH wanting his money back it’s about DH not wanting to throw more money daily into the club that he doesn’t currently own. LOB we have no choice and can not keep here it’s been agreed a long time if we didn’t go up he could move, Toff why would we keep him and lose for nothing makes no sense. I’m not suggesting we should have kept the players, but there is clearly a balance to be found and we don’t look to be doing that. The transfer business so far this summer appears to have already cost Town a very promising manager. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 17, 2022 21:04:53 GMT 1
O brien is a huge loas for the club . Not as sure about Toffolo . He had a storming end to the season with all them weird goals but earlier in the season he had been pretty average and at one point was dropped for the other lad
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 21:04:57 GMT 1
Biggest load of BS ever, we actually have an owner who does care (if the deal with PH goes through) we still have to consider HTAFC is a business and currently becoming a successful business on and off the pitch, we are building with a long term strategy not a short term approach to please a few deluded fans who play football manager and prove it’s Posisble for town to win trophies 🏆 We don’t have a sugar daddy in charge we have a fan and a very good business man. Thanks for your input Dean. In all seriousness though, we’ve lost two of our best players, lost our head coach and we’re not reinvesting. Ok we don’t have a sugar daddy in charge, but when you have a great season and were a dodgy ref call away from the jackpot, surely you don’t rip everything up and start again like we have. Out of interest, if Dean was to take in £10m and sell up this week would your opinion change? What have we ripped up from where I see it we have continued in the same way invest in fantastic prospects, strengthen the team, sell players who want to move in for good money, we are not finished yet either. Carlos leaving was not part of the plan, but was also out of anyones control, just like the players leaving you don’t keep a coach who doesn’t want to be here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 21:06:21 GMT 1
Some Reinvestment has already happened, how much do you think we have spent on the signings and new contracts so far ? I tell you now it’s over 50% of the fees we will receive from the trees. We have to be self sufficient especially right now when we don’t technically have an owner, it’s not about DH wanting his money back it’s about DH not wanting to throw more money daily into the club that he doesn’t currently own. LOB we have no choice and can not keep here it’s been agreed a long time if we didn’t go up he could move, Toff why would we keep him and lose for nothing makes no sense. I’m not suggesting we should have kept the players, but there is clearly a balance to be found and we don’t look to be doing that. The transfer business so far this summer appears to have already cost Town a very promising manager. Or at least you think that cost us the manager. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 17, 2022 21:06:39 GMT 1
I don't know how much we have got for Lewis. But those folks castigating the club for not getting more are ignoring the basics of supply and demand. No matter what you think a player is worth, the price will be governed by whatever someone is willing to pay. The alternative would be to keep the player, but that was never going to happen. The release clause was £10 million, blows your theory apart! What's the point of agreeing to a £10 million release clause, in a contract, if you don't stick to it? Diabolical Dean Hoyle! Are you basing that opinion on what some journalist from the Telegraph has had a guess at? |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 17, 2022 21:06:53 GMT 1
I don't know how much we have got for Lewis. But those folks castigating the club for not getting more are ignoring the basics of supply and demand. No matter what you think a player is worth, the price will be governed by whatever someone is willing to pay. The alternative would be to keep the player, but that was never going to happen. The release clause was £10 million, blows your theory apart! What's the point of agreeing to a £10 million release clause, in a contract, if you don't stick to it? Diabolical Dean Hoyle! It doesn't blow his theory apart at all. Supply and demand is totally relevant. If it was so obvious he is worth more, someone else would've been in for him and offered more. A release clause isn't a sale price, rather just effectively the maximum. |
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