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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 21:09:13 GMT 1
The release clause was £10 million, blows your theory apart! What's the point of agreeing to a £10 million release clause, in a contract, if you don't stick to it? Diabolical Dean Hoyle! Are you basing that opinion on what some journalist from the Telegraph has had a guess at? Release cause is one thing and it’s a guaranteed minimum if a player is wanted, if a player wants to leave and it’s correct for the selling club then a different agreement can be reached / negotiated. John Percy knows more than most |
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Post by harris on Jul 17, 2022 21:09:43 GMT 1
Thanks for your input Dean. In all seriousness though, we’ve lost two of our best players, lost our head coach and we’re not reinvesting. Ok we don’t have a sugar daddy in charge, but when you have a great season and were a dodgy ref call away from the jackpot, surely you don’t rip everything up and start again like we have. Out of interest, if Dean was to take in £10m and sell up this week would your opinion change? What have we ripped up from where I see it we have continued in the same way invest in fantastic prospects, strengthen the team, sell players who want to move in for good money, we are not finished yet either. Carlos leaving was not part of the plan, but was also out of anyones control, just like the players leaving you don’t keep a coach who doesn’t want to be here. Carlos leaving was not out of anyone’s control, c’mon now. We don’t know the absolute facts but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise it’s because his squad was getting cherry picked and he was told we’re not reinvesting the cash back into the squad. What have we ripped up? We’re back at square one now Carlos and two of the fundamental players to this system have gone. We have not strengthened the team remotely this transfer window, we’ve sold some of our biggest assets. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 21:13:46 GMT 1
What have we ripped up from where I see it we have continued in the same way invest in fantastic prospects, strengthen the team, sell players who want to move in for good money, we are not finished yet either. Carlos leaving was not part of the plan, but was also out of anyones control, just like the players leaving you don’t keep a coach who doesn’t want to be here. Carlos leaving was not out of anyone’s control, c’mon now. We don’t know the absolute facts but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise it’s because his squad was getting cherry picked and he was told we’re not reinvesting the cash back into the squad. What have we ripped up? We’re back at square one now Carlos and two of the fundamental players to this system have gone. We have not strengthened the team remotely this transfer window, we’ve sold some of our biggest assets. Carlos left / was not around the club before we even had an offer for one let alone both players from Forest….. therefore your argument / opinion is flawed. We have invested in the squad the players we have signed could strengthen the squad, until they play we do not know if we have strengthened or not. |
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Jul 17, 2022 21:15:06 GMT 1
Absolutely disgraceful that there’s no intent to reinvest the fees.
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Jul 17, 2022 21:15:45 GMT 1
Deal imminent for both. Contracts signed, medicals done. Just going over fine details with town now. It's a shame, but we move on. medicals on Monday apparently according to John Percy… He called it and Fred can't stand it 😂😂 medicals can be done in 2 parts you know this dont you? |
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Jul 17, 2022 21:17:00 GMT 1
Carlos leaving was not out of anyone’s control, c’mon now. We don’t know the absolute facts but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise it’s because his squad was getting cherry picked and he was told we’re not reinvesting the cash back into the squad. What have we ripped up? We’re back at square one now Carlos and two of the fundamental players to this system have gone. We have not strengthened the team remotely this transfer window, we’ve sold some of our biggest assets. Carlos left / was not around the club before we even had an offer for one let alone both players from Forest….. therefore your argument / opinion is flawed. We have invested in the squad the players we have signed could strengthen the squad, until they play we do not know if we have strengthened or not. We haven’t invested in the squad. We’ve once again taken in 8 digit transfer fees, shelled out less than 1mil and called it a day. |
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Post by harris on Jul 17, 2022 21:17:04 GMT 1
Carlos leaving was not out of anyone’s control, c’mon now. We don’t know the absolute facts but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise it’s because his squad was getting cherry picked and he was told we’re not reinvesting the cash back into the squad. What have we ripped up? We’re back at square one now Carlos and two of the fundamental players to this system have gone. We have not strengthened the team remotely this transfer window, we’ve sold some of our biggest assets. Carlos left / was not around the club before we even had an offer for one let alone both players from Forest….. therefore your argument / opinion is flawed. We have invested in the squad the players we have signed could strengthen the squad, until they play we do not know if we have strengthened or not. You think LOB and Toff leaving came completely out of the blue?! They were always leaving, Carlos would’ve known that probably before even the end of the season if we lost the final. You said we’ve strengthened, I said we haven’t, now you say we don’t know if we strengthened… Are you actually Dean Hoyle? PS - taking in £10m and spending £1m is hardly investing. It’s literally the opposite |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 21:24:07 GMT 1
Carlos left / was not around the club before we even had an offer for one let alone both players from Forest….. therefore your argument / opinion is flawed. We have invested in the squad the players we have signed could strengthen the squad, until they play we do not know if we have strengthened or not. You think LOB and Toff leaving came completely out of the blue?! They were always leaving, Carlos would’ve known that probably before even the end of the season if we lost the final. You said we’ve strengthened, I said we haven’t, now you say we don’t know if we strengthened… Are you actually Dean Hoyle? PS - taking in £10m and spending £1m is hardly investing. It’s literally the opposite Players only leaving if correct offers received. CC knew the situation well before playoff final as you suggested, hence why would you not leave after the final if not happy, budgets agreed for Prem and championship weeks before play off final yet he leaves at a very strange time if your not happy with the budgets you leave when we don’t go up, CC agreed with our approach and plans to develop players with great potential investment is not the reason to part ways. I believe we have strengthened and will a little more before window ends, I was suggesting that it’s impossible to say if we have or not until we see how the players perform. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 21:26:07 GMT 1
Carlos left / was not around the club before we even had an offer for one let alone both players from Forest….. therefore your argument / opinion is flawed. We have invested in the squad the players we have signed could strengthen the squad, until they play we do not know if we have strengthened or not. We haven’t invested in the squad. We’ve once again taken in 8 digit transfer fees, shelled out less than 1mil and called it a day. Fees are one thing, and I am convinced we have spent more than a million on them and a lot more on signing on fees and wages the commitment is not always about big fees it’s about the full cost of a transfer / signing and free transfers cost more than you think we were not the only clubs after these players. |
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Post by sykeylad on Jul 17, 2022 21:28:15 GMT 1
Someone on Facebook saying:
Add ons are apparently appearance money. For every start O’Brien makes with a completion of 65 mins it’s 50 K to Town, dropping to 38 K season 2 and 10 K season 3, every appearance Toffs makes its 28K, down to 18 K season 2 and 7.5 K season 3. Town get 8.75 % in any sell on fee if they go before their first contract is up.
I've not worked out a likely return if true!
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Post by harris on Jul 17, 2022 21:28:51 GMT 1
You think LOB and Toff leaving came completely out of the blue?! They were always leaving, Carlos would’ve known that probably before even the end of the season if we lost the final. You said we’ve strengthened, I said we haven’t, now you say we don’t know if we strengthened… Are you actually Dean Hoyle? PS - taking in £10m and spending £1m is hardly investing. It’s literally the opposite Players only leaving if correct offers received. CC knew the situation well before playoff final as you suggested, hence why would you not leave after the final if not happy, budgets agreed for Prem and championship weeks before play off final yet he leaves at a very strange time if your not happy with the budgets you leave when we don’t go up, CC agreed with our approach and plans to develop players with great potential investment is not the reason to part ways. I believe we have strengthened and will a little more before window ends, I was suggesting that it’s impossible to say if we have or not until we see how the players perform. I’m more than happy to be proved wrong, but if we can honestly as a club look at this incomings and outgoings (so far) and say we’ve strengthened then we’re completely deluded and I’m very worried. |
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Post by arry11 on Jul 17, 2022 21:30:20 GMT 1
Both players leaving was going to happen and no one should be blamed its stupid ranting about something we could not control let just hope we have signed some decent players that we can trust to do there best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 21:31:19 GMT 1
Someone on Facebook saying: Add ons are apparently appearance money. For every start O’Brien makes with a completion of 65 mins it’s 50 K to Town, dropping to 38 K season 2 and 10 K season 3, every appearance Toffs makes its 28K, down to 18 K season 2 and 7.5 K season 3. Town get 8.75 % in any sell on fee if they go before their first contract is up. I've not worked out a likely return if true! That would potentially be a monster deal…. They are never going to play 40 games each in Orem but if they did that’s 3.1million !! |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jul 17, 2022 21:32:23 GMT 1
I’m not suggesting we should have kept the players, but there is clearly a balance to be found and we don’t look to be doing that. The transfer business so far this summer appears to have already cost Town a very promising manager. Or at least you think that cost us the manager. True, I can only read between the lines. Although I don’t agree with everything you are saying, I do appreciate someone who appears to be in the know giving a bit of context to what is going on at the moment. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 17, 2022 21:34:33 GMT 1
Both players leaving was going to happen and no one should be blamed its stupid ranting about something we could not control let just hope we have signed some decent players that we can trust to do there best. Exactly. Everyone thought we were gonna be shit this time last season. Bromby did an incredible job last year - let's see what he's pulled out this time before we go all mawngey. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Jul 17, 2022 21:38:56 GMT 1
Someone on Facebook saying: Oh, that's that then. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jul 17, 2022 21:51:21 GMT 1
Hopefully we've got a couple of decent replacements lined up. Surely we can spend a 1/4 of the fees received Don't get your hopes up, the replacements are already here. I still expect a loan possibly 2. Christ that’s worrying |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 17, 2022 21:58:04 GMT 1
We should be supporting Forest next season. Survival could be worth a few million. What so DH can pocket some more cash, be happy if they went down with 0 points scum club on a par with Leeds |
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Post by calken on Jul 17, 2022 21:58:23 GMT 1
PS - taking in £10m and spending £1m is hardly investing. It’s literally the opposite Buying for 1m and selling for 5m is investing. Buying for 10m and selling for 8m isn't. The likelihood of us buying a player for 1m and selling for 5m is quite good. The chances of us buying a player for 10m and selling for 50m is non existent. The value of a player and their ability is not a linear scale, it's more exponential. We spent about 100,000 on Toff and O'Brien came through the academy, is that not investment either? |
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Post by H6dds on Jul 17, 2022 22:00:59 GMT 1
medicals on Monday apparently according to John Percy… He called it and Fred can't stand it 😂😂 medicals can be done in 2 parts you know this dont you? hi Kenny  |
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Post by harris on Jul 17, 2022 22:03:23 GMT 1
PS - taking in £10m and spending £1m is hardly investing. It’s literally the opposite Buying for 1m and selling for 5m is investing. Buying for 10m and selling for 8m isn't. The likelihood of us buying a player for 1m and selling for 5m is quite good. The chances of us buying a player for 10m and selling for 50m is non existent. The value of a player and their ability is not a linear scale, it's more exponential. We spent about 100,000 on Toff and O'Brien came through the academy, is that not investment either? Yeah I agree with all of that actually, my last sentence was inaccurate. What I meant was we’re not investing the £10m we’re about to receive for them. Why can’t we use the £10m to buy a few £1m players with potential and strengthen other areas of the side? |
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Post by prepare on Jul 17, 2022 22:09:41 GMT 1
Someone on Facebook saying: Oh, that's that then. add ins are based on appearances that is true |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 17, 2022 22:11:31 GMT 1
Don't get your hopes up, the replacements are already here. I still expect a loan possibly 2. Christ that’s worrying to be honest I see it as the way to get better attacking quality in. I'd be more concerned if we were after a striker for a fee, as it's one position where the scouts haven't found a diamond in the rough yet. I don't like the look of where we'll be in a year's time in terms of forwards though if that's what we do end up doing. What signings do you think still want making? |
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Post by Will on Jul 17, 2022 22:23:38 GMT 1
That’s a bonkers price for the 2. Bad PR and/or poor negotiation. Losing one of the best managers, arguably the best midfielder and a top wingback for a reported £10m is laughable.
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Post by arry11 on Jul 17, 2022 22:33:21 GMT 1
That’s a bonkers price for the 2. Bad PR and/or poor negotiation. Losing one of the best managers, arguably the best midfielder and a top wingback for a reported £10m is laughable. Something smells Change you're pants |
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Post by iangreaves on Jul 17, 2022 22:37:34 GMT 1
That’s a bonkers price for the 2. Bad PR and/or poor negotiation. Losing one of the best managers, arguably the best midfielder and a top wingback for a reported £10m is laughable. Something smells The price we receive for players is pretty immaterial to fans because the fee won’t be spent on incoming players. So £10 million or £1 million doesn’t matter. |
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Post by griffa on Jul 17, 2022 22:42:08 GMT 1
If the up front deal is £10 million, for Lewis & Toffs, then they've had our pants down! Has Dean lost his touch, touch it would have been £12 million, plus extras. Look at the deal PH negotiated with WBA, piss poor in my opinion! Is it better to keep two players who don’t want to be here and want to triple / quadruple there wages in the Prem, or get a decent deal for both players that should work well for us long term and short term. We have seen only a few seasons ago how having players not wanting to be here really hinders the team moral, we want players who want to play for the club and want to move to the next level like Toff and LOB zap they play there best while with us these two are exactly the characters we want in our team, not the ones just here for money. Not what I was suggesting, not a great deal for Town! |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 17, 2022 22:44:59 GMT 1
Just fuxking get rid and we will see them next season.
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Post by griffa on Jul 17, 2022 22:46:41 GMT 1
Gentleman's agreement my arse, Dean Hoyle is a hard nosed business man, remember how much he screwed out of Blackburn. Nailed on that Lewis would go, when Moss & Tierney, turned us over, at Wembley. But come on, does he think that we are all stupid? Why do you think it has taken so long to get sorted ? It’s not because we just rolled over and accepted the first offers…… Good question, we already a deal to consider offers for Lewis for £10 million, so we got.........£10 million & we lost an additional player, for the same amount, was this deal negotiated by Chris Grayling? |
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Post by griffa on Jul 17, 2022 22:53:13 GMT 1
The release clause was £10 million, blows your theory apart! What's the point of agreeing to a £10 million release clause, in a contract, if you don't stick to it? Diabolical Dean Hoyle! It doesn't blow his theory apart at all. Supply and demand is totally relevant. If it was so obvious he is worth more, someone else would've been in for him and offered more. A release clause isn't a sale price, rather just effectively the maximum. Utter bollox! So we negotiated for several weeks & got £10 million, plus we threw in Toffs, Cheap at half the price, we must have been desperate for £10 million, was expecting Dean to bring in £12 million, for the 2 of them, a crazy, crazy deal! |
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