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Post by terriers321 on Dec 20, 2021 21:47:17 GMT 1
If a bid does come in for LOB who negotiates? Bromby? Devlin? DH?  ? If/when he is sold, will any of that money go into the club? Or will Dean transfer it straight into his account? That's the main issue. Hoyle wont reinvest any of it, if it is him in charge. It doesn't matter how much we get for him. If we don't reinvest and lose one of our better players then we are going to be much worst off for it. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Dec 20, 2021 21:55:26 GMT 1
It won't make any difference to Town if there is a buy out clause. We'd still just get the same transfer fee. O'Brien would be in a better negotiating position if there are more than one club after him though. He would probably become a multimillionaire overnight. How would he become a multimillionaire overnight?!?! Signing on fee and 40k a week? |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Dec 20, 2021 22:38:03 GMT 1
If he goes for £10m that is a fair deal all round. The lad has done right by us and deserves a crack at the Prem. If we spend a third/half of that on two or three players, Ferguson at Aberdeen was mooted in August, we could easily become a better all round team.
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Post by Ox Terrier on Dec 21, 2021 2:08:14 GMT 1
How would he become a multimillionaire overnight?!?! Signing on fee and 40k a week? That wouldn’t make him a multi millionaire overnight though! 🤣 |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 21, 2021 5:20:18 GMT 1
If he goes for £10m that is a fair deal all round. The lad has done right by us and deserves a crack at the Prem. If we spend a third/half of that on two or three players, Ferguson at Aberdeen was mooted in August, we could easily become a better all round team. Read online that Aberdeen turned down £2m for Ferguson from Watford. I’d say one third of it gets Ferguson only. Good player. |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 21, 2021 8:39:51 GMT 1
If/when he is sold, will any of that money go into the club? Or will Dean transfer it straight into his account? That's the main issue. Hoyle wont reinvest any of it, if it is him in charge. It doesn't matter how much we get for him. If we don't reinvest and lose one of our better players then we are going to be much worst off for it. To be fair we don't know that, but that's the problem no one is stepping up and taking the helm. Or more accurately no one is publicly saying they are. If... (we still don't know)... we are being sold/getting new investment is it not possible they see keeping our better players as part of their future strategy? |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 21, 2021 10:17:16 GMT 1
A buy-out clause usually has to be paid in full, in a single payment. Or, at least this is the way things happen in other European Leagues. I can't remember the name of the player, but Arsenal lodged the funds to cover a buy-out clause of a player with the Spanish FA and there was nothing the player's current club could do to stop the transfer. Thomas Partey. More likely to get S Club Partey. |
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Post by terriers321 on Dec 21, 2021 10:30:35 GMT 1
That's the main issue. Hoyle wont reinvest any of it, if it is him in charge. It doesn't matter how much we get for him. If we don't reinvest and lose one of our better players then we are going to be much worst off for it. To be fair we don't know that, but that's the problem no one is stepping up and taking the helm. Or more accurately no one is publicly saying they are. If... (we still don't know)... we are being sold/getting new investment is it not possible they see keeping our better players as part of their future strategy? Yep, you are right. We don't know that. Although I think the club being silent speaks volumes and means they are trying to sell to a new investor. They would have no reason to be silent if Hoyle was taking the helm again for the foreseeable and he would have no reason to invest any money. I'm sure he will be happy taking it though. Thats why if we haven't sold the club before or during the window I can't see us bringing in any new players even if O'brien goes. |
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Post by crux on Dec 21, 2021 10:51:49 GMT 1
It won't make any difference to Town if there is a buy out clause. We'd still just get the same transfer fee. O'Brien would be in a better negotiating position if there are more than one club after him though. He would probably become a multimillionaire overnight. How would he become a multimillionaire overnight?!?! If more than one PL club wants to sign him, his signing on fee will run into millions. Then his wages on a 4 year contract on top of that. |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 21, 2021 10:53:15 GMT 1
To be fair we don't know that, but that's the problem no one is stepping up and taking the helm. Or more accurately no one is publicly saying they are. If... (we still don't know)... we are being sold/getting new investment is it not possible they see keeping our better players as part of their future strategy? Yep, you are right. We don't know that. Although I think the club being silent speaks volumes and means they are trying to sell to a new investor. They would have no reason to be silent if Hoyle was taking the helm again for the foreseeable and he would have no reason to invest any money. I'm sure he will be happy taking it though. Thats why if we haven't sold the club before or during the window I can't see us bringing in any new players even if O'brien goes. What would the team look like without LOB? We don't have a similar player and midfield is the area we are struggling with I think. We have attackers, not big scoring ones but we do have a number of them. Wingers we could almost field a team of players that can play in that position. Defenders we are OK with and could recall one if needed. Goalkeeper, OK only one really. But if LOB went and we did not replace him we could have another very poor second half of the season, which would not help get the club sold to anyone. If we are negotiating with anyone I think it is one area that they will be looking very keenly at, before they finalised a deal. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 21, 2021 11:31:08 GMT 1
What would the team look like without LOB? We don't have a similar player and midfield is the area we are struggling with I think. I don't agree with the first part of your post. I think Scott High is similar to LOB (not as good yet but is likely to improve). I agree with the second point but that is partly (primarily?) to do with the fact LOB/High are so similar. It's the variety to them (and particularly creativity/holding) we've been lacking IMHO. Nobody should want their better players to leave but we may be able to cope with LOB leaving more than certain other positions (I doubt we'd miss him as much as Hogg/Vallejo for example). |
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Post by impact on Dec 21, 2021 11:34:25 GMT 1
What would the team look like without LOB? We don't have a similar player and midfield is the area we are struggling with I think. I don't agree with the first part of your post. I think Scott High is similar to LOB (not as good yet but is likely to improve). I agree with the second point but that is partly (primarily?) to do with the fact LOB/High are so similar. It's the variety to them (and particularly creativity/holding) we've been lacking IMHO. Nobody should want their better players to leave but we may be able to cope with LOB leaving more than certain other positions (I doubt we'd miss him as much as Hogg/Vallejo for example). I think they've very different players. We don't have anyone in the squad who can drive forwards with the ball from central areas like Lewis does. |
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Post by Marshleeds on Dec 21, 2021 11:52:07 GMT 1
Chatter on various news platforms that Leeds are definitely in for Lewis next month. ... also that he will be understudy to Phillips. A higher wage, but Leeds reserve side beckons. We won’t see Kalvin Phillips for at least 2 months, out injured so LOB could slot in with Adam Forshaw for a key run of fixtures in January (Covid dependant) after a dodgy December. One issue is Bielsa likes his players to be ‘Bielsa Fit’ before playing them but maybe needs must and there may be something in this. John Swift at Reading also rumoured, probably one or the other is my guess. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:57:37 GMT 1
If/when he is sold, will any of that money go into the club? Or will Dean transfer it straight into his account? That's the main issue. Hoyle wont reinvest any of it, if it is him in charge. It doesn't matter how much we get for him. If we don't reinvest and lose one of our better players then we are going to be much worst off for it. how the hell do you know he won't reinvest in any of it as he told you! Goodness me some on here! |
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Post by bristolterrier on Dec 21, 2021 12:07:46 GMT 1
He was playing against average Championship players on Saturday but he stood out an absolute mile. All my City mates asked about him. He was outstanding, particularly first half. In todays market £10m is a steal. Don't want him to go but he deserves a crack in the PL.
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Post by terriers321 on Dec 21, 2021 12:12:00 GMT 1
That's the main issue. Hoyle wont reinvest any of it, if it is him in charge. It doesn't matter how much we get for him. If we don't reinvest and lose one of our better players then we are going to be much worst off for it. how the hell do you know he won't reinvest in any of it as he told you! Goodness me some on here! If he is selling the club, why the hell would he invest? Its my opinion on how I see things going. Not a fact. Unlike you who also speculates, but pretends he is well connected with the club. You weirdo. I haven't fallen into the trap of believing he's the clubs saviour when it's pretty obvious he is looking after his asset. |
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Post by iangreaves on Dec 21, 2021 12:12:46 GMT 1
Could be very damaging to go into a Leeds team getting battered every week.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 12:20:07 GMT 1
... also that he will be understudy to Phillips. A higher wage, but Leeds reserve side beckons. We won’t see Kalvin Phillips for at least 2 months, out injured so LOB could slot in with Adam Forshaw for a key run of fixtures in January (Covid dependant) after a dodgy December. One issue is Bielsa likes his players to be ‘Bielsa Fit’ before playing them but maybe needs must and there may be something in this. John Swift at Reading also rumoured, probably one or the other is my guess. If Phillips is out for 2 months then I think that makes it more likely that O'Brien gets signed (and possibly loaned back for half a season) - as you'll need to sign a lot of players to start the transition back to a Championship team. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Dec 21, 2021 12:35:56 GMT 1
... also that he will be understudy to Phillips. A higher wage, but Leeds reserve side beckons. We won’t see Kalvin Phillips for at least 2 months, out injured so LOB could slot in with Adam Forshaw for a key run of fixtures in January (Covid dependant) after a dodgy December. One issue is Bielsa likes his players to be ‘Bielsa Fit’ before playing them but maybe needs must and there may be something in this. John Swift at Reading also rumoured, probably one or the other is my guess. I'm ready with my roller and white emulsion pal,to overpaint all those silly murals around Leeds 😜 Seriously, he's hardly Shankly is he ? I find the level of admiration for him baffling. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 13:13:55 GMT 1
Signing on fee and 40k a week? That wouldn’t make him a multi millionaire overnight though! 🤣 If he's got a contract that guarantees him say £2m over 12 months x 3-4 years, he can sleep soundly knowing he is effectively a MMair. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 13:53:42 GMT 1
how the hell do you know he won't reinvest in any of it as he told you! Goodness me some on here! If he is selling the club, why the hell would he invest? Its my opinion on how I see things going. Not a fact. Unlike you who also speculates, but pretends he is well connected with the club. You weirdo. I haven't fallen into the trap of believing he's the clubs saviour when it's pretty obvious he is looking after his asset. I'm closer to the club than you and will,leave it at that as for selling the club we will see but if obrian goes town will reinvest to replace him that's my view but it's just speculation so far As For weirdo it takes one to know one lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 14:15:14 GMT 1
If he is selling the club, why the hell would he invest? Its my opinion on how I see things going. Not a fact. Unlike you who also speculates, but pretends he is well connected with the club. You weirdo. I haven't fallen into the trap of believing he's the clubs saviour when it's pretty obvious he is looking after his asset. I'm closer to the club than you and will,leave it at that as for selling the club we will see but if obrian goes town will reinvest to replace him that's my view but it's just speculation so far As For weirdo it takes one to know one lol Do you work in Pizza Hut, thats quite close to the club ? |
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Post by conman on Dec 21, 2021 14:30:23 GMT 1
If he is selling the club, why the hell would he invest? Its my opinion on how I see things going. Not a fact. Unlike you who also speculates, but pretends he is well connected with the club. You weirdo. I haven't fallen into the trap of believing he's the clubs saviour when it's pretty obvious he is looking after his asset. I'm closer to the club than you and will,leave it at that as for selling the club we will see but if obrian goes town will reinvest to replace him that's my view but it's just speculation so far As For weirdo it takes one to know one lol Close enough to the club to spell his name wrong also.. |
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Post by benhomly on Dec 21, 2021 14:32:28 GMT 1
I'm closer to the club than you and will,leave it at that as for selling the club we will see but if obrian goes town will reinvest to replace him that's my view but it's just speculation so far As For weirdo it takes one to know one lol Close enough to the club to spell his name wrong also.. Let's hope he's the one that signs the transfer documents then and it fails to go through on a technicality  |
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Post by impact on Dec 21, 2021 15:08:03 GMT 1
If he is selling the club, why the hell would he invest? Its my opinion on how I see things going. Not a fact. Unlike you who also speculates, but pretends he is well connected with the club. You weirdo. I haven't fallen into the trap of believing he's the clubs saviour when it's pretty obvious he is looking after his asset. I'm closer to the club than you and will,leave it at that as for selling the club we will see but if obrian goes town will reinvest to replace him that's my view but it's just speculation so far As For weirdo it takes one to know one lol If you're close to the club it explains some of our recent difficulties. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 21, 2021 15:17:27 GMT 1
What would the team look like without LOB? We don't have a similar player and midfield is the area we are struggling with I think. I don't agree with the first part of your post. I think Scott High is similar to LOB (not as good yet but is likely to improve). I agree with the second point but that is partly (primarily?) to do with the fact LOB/High are so similar. It's the variety to them (and particularly creativity/holding) we've been lacking IMHO. Nobody should want their better players to leave but we may be able to cope with LOB leaving more than certain other positions (I doubt we'd miss him as much as Hogg/Vallejo for example). Vallejo ? He has hardly played. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 21, 2021 15:19:02 GMT 1
Can Leeds afford to give us £10m for him in one lump? One lump? Are they proposing a cash plus player deal? Not sure which lump we’d want in part exchange? From what I've seen of them I'd only take Rafinha, seems to be the only one worth the fee they paid! Manure definitely had their pants down for that winger (James?) |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Dec 21, 2021 15:28:21 GMT 1
I don't agree with the first part of your post. I think Scott High is similar to LOB (not as good yet but is likely to improve). I agree with the second point but that is partly (primarily?) to do with the fact LOB/High are so similar. It's the variety to them (and particularly creativity/holding) we've been lacking IMHO. Nobody should want their better players to leave but we may be able to cope with LOB leaving more than certain other positions (I doubt we'd miss him as much as Hogg/Vallejo for example). Vallejo ? He has hardly played. Was just coming into his own and got injured. Annoyingly, he'd have been invaluable over recent weeks with Hoggy out. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 21, 2021 15:43:34 GMT 1
Or he talks with Hoyle, finds out the plans for any recruitment in January and decides he wants to stop and give it a go for the play offs while knowing we won't stand in his way in the summer if we've stayed down 🤔
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Post by Tiro on Dec 21, 2021 16:17:54 GMT 1
I don't agree with the first part of your post. I think Scott High is similar to LOB (not as good yet but is likely to improve). I agree with the second point but that is partly (primarily?) to do with the fact LOB/High are so similar. It's the variety to them (and particularly creativity/holding) we've been lacking IMHO. Nobody should want their better players to leave but we may be able to cope with LOB leaving more than certain other positions (I doubt we'd miss him as much as Hogg/Vallejo for example). I think they've very different players. We don't have anyone in the squad who can drive forwards with the ball from central areas like Lewis does. Have we just discovered the 'High Dichotomy Paradox'? Before Scott High can reach his potential, he must first play to his potential. In order to reach his potential, he must have potential... ∞ (I think) |
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