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Post by Porrohman on Dec 21, 2021 16:24:43 GMT 1
I don't agree with the first part of your post. I think Scott High is similar to LOB (not as good yet but is likely to improve). I agree with the second point but that is partly (primarily?) to do with the fact LOB/High are so similar. It's the variety to them (and particularly creativity/holding) we've been lacking IMHO. Nobody should want their better players to leave but we may be able to cope with LOB leaving more than certain other positions (I doubt we'd miss him as much as Hogg/Vallejo for example). I think they've very different players. We don't have anyone in the squad who can drive forwards with the ball from central areas like Lewis does. I can't see why High can't do that but ATM he's playing as the deeper CM. Maybe if O'B had missed a couple of games and High had played with Hogg we'd know. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 17:04:00 GMT 1
I think they've very different players. We don't have anyone in the squad who can drive forwards with the ball from central areas like Lewis does. I can't see why High can't do that but ATM he's playing as the deeper CM. Maybe if O'B had missed a couple of games and High had played with Hogg we'd know. He seems a bit too weedy. I'd be confident of shoulder barging him off the ball and I'm in my 50's. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 21, 2021 17:04:09 GMT 1
Nobody should want their better players to leave but we may be able to cope with LOB leaving more than certain other positions (I doubt we'd miss him as much as Hogg/Vallejo for example). Vallejo ? He has hardly played. We wouldn't have missed Hogg as much as we have if Vallejo had been fit (which was why I grouped them together). |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 19:09:43 GMT 1
I'm closer to the club than you and will,leave it at that as for selling the club we will see but if obrian goes town will reinvest to replace him that's my view but it's just speculation so far As For weirdo it takes one to know one lol If you're close to the club it explains some of our recent difficulties. What difficulties. You like many make up problems when there aren't any. But it's your view but we move on |
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 21, 2021 20:19:03 GMT 1
If you're close to the club it explains some of our recent difficulties. What difficulties. You like many make up problems when there aren't any. But it's your view but we move on You certainly live up to you username Positive.... ...however if you didn't feel difficulties were being faced in the manner of our defeats to Middlesbrough & Coventry and weren't disappointed with the attendance (and the enthusiasm of those attending - suggesting a diminishing of the connection with the club (if we can still call this increasingly obvious pure business a club)) against Coventry, I'd suggest "Blinkered" might also be an appropriate Username. PS For clarity I'm still in the "Keep Carlos camp" - if a manager is over-performing with a squad, I'd generally suggest keeping him as a very fair % don't. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2021 20:31:07 GMT 1
What difficulties. You like many make up problems when there aren't any. But it's your view but we move on You certainly live up to you username Positive.... ...however if you didn't feel difficulties were being faced in the manner of our defeats to Middlesbrough & Coventry and weren't disappointed with the attendance (and the enthusiasm of those attending - suggesting a diminishing of the connection with the club (if we can still call this increasingly obvious pure business a club)) against Coventry, I'd suggest "Blinkered" might also be an appropriate Username. PS For clarity I'm still in the "Keep Carlos camp" - if a manager is over-performing with a squad, I'd generally suggest keeping him as a very fair % don't. We drew against Coventry:-) |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 21, 2021 20:34:43 GMT 1
You certainly live up to you username Positive.... ...however if you didn't feel difficulties were being faced in the manner of our defeats to Middlesbrough & Coventry and weren't disappointed with the attendance (and the enthusiasm of those attending - suggesting a diminishing of the connection with the club (if we can still call this increasingly obvious pure business a club)) against Coventry, I'd suggest "Blinkered" might also be an appropriate Username. PS For clarity I'm still in the "Keep Carlos camp" - if a manager is over-performing with a squad, I'd generally suggest keeping him as a very fair % don't. We drew against Coventry:-) God knows how |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2021 20:37:17 GMT 1
We drew against Coventry:-) God knows how Scoring the same number of goals as they did i should imagine ;-) |
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Post by horaceofhorbury on Dec 21, 2021 21:47:48 GMT 1
Scoring the same number of goals as they did i should imagine ;-) Bravo!  |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 21, 2021 22:00:57 GMT 1
We drew against Coventry:-) God knows how If you looked at the citeh vs chestwankers stats and us vs Coventry they were very similar. We started off well but a 3-1 or 4-1 loss wouldn’t have seen an argument from me. Funny old game. Dreadful performance Fingers crossed Saturday has given us a much needed boost |
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 21, 2021 22:30:54 GMT 1
If you looked at the citeh vs chestwankers stats and us vs Coventry they were very similar. We started off well but a 3-1 or 4-1 loss wouldn’t have seen an argument from me. Funny old game. Dreadful performance Fingers crossed Saturday has given us a much needed boost I thought the same but if you look at xG stats, it doesn’t support that view. In fact, their first 20 attempts had a total xG of less than 1. |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 21, 2021 23:01:53 GMT 1
If you looked at the citeh vs chestwankers stats and us vs Coventry they were very similar. We started off well but a 3-1 or 4-1 loss wouldn’t have seen an argument from me. Funny old game. Dreadful performance Fingers crossed Saturday has given us a much needed boost I thought the same but if you look at xG stats, it doesn’t support that view. In fact, their first 20 attempts had a total xG of less than 1. I was a stood there watching. Must have been at least 10 where the player on the ball was 12 yards out with a shot I watch this xG and ask myself who the chuff runs it. They were poor attempts though. But from great positions |
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Post by griffa on Dec 21, 2021 23:25:44 GMT 1
If you looked at the citeh vs chestwankers stats and us vs Coventry they were very similar. We started off well but a 3-1 or 4-1 loss wouldn’t have seen an argument from me. Funny old game. Dreadful performance Fingers crossed Saturday has given us a much needed boost Agree with your comments re Coventry, but we probably had the best 2 chances in the 2nd half, from Duane Holmes & Matty Pearson - UTT. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 21, 2021 23:30:54 GMT 1
I thought the same but if you look at xG stats, it doesn’t support that view. In fact, their first 20 attempts had a total xG of less than 1. I was a stood there watching. Must have been at least 10 where the player on the ball was 12 yards out with a shot I watch this xG and ask myself who the chuff runs it. They were poor attempts though. But from great positions I see it come up on the telly but o haven't a scooby what it means or does |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 22, 2021 0:30:15 GMT 1
If you looked at the citeh vs chestwankers stats and us vs Coventry they were very similar. We started off well but a 3-1 or 4-1 loss wouldn’t have seen an argument from me. Funny old game. Dreadful performance Fingers crossed Saturday has given us a much needed boost Agree with your comments re Coventry, but we probably had the best 2 chances in the 2nd half, from Duane Holmes & Matty Pearson - UTT. Not sure they were the best two chances. Although Pearson should have scored the winner at that particular point |
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Post by ritchie on Dec 22, 2021 1:23:25 GMT 1
Dont think High is similar to obrien at all
Think we will massively miss obrien, he's like having 2 players at times
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Post by Convictatthemac on Dec 22, 2021 3:50:23 GMT 1
One lump? Are they proposing a cash plus player deal? Not sure which lump we’d want in part exchange? From what I've seen of them I'd only take Rafinha, seems to be the only one worth the fee they paid! Manure definitely had their pants down for that winger (James?) And to think that Raphinha was available for €6.5m in the same year that we took the speed twins 🤦♂️ Our recruiting was(is) so dire. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Dec 22, 2021 9:40:43 GMT 1
...however if you didn't feel difficulties were being faced in the manner of our defeats to Middlesbrough & Coventry and weren't disappointed with the attendance (and the enthusiasm of those attending - suggesting a diminishing of the connection with the club (if we can still call this increasingly obvious pure business a club)) against Coventry, I'd suggest "Blinkered" might also be an appropriate Username. We drew against Coventry:-) Good point Ted, well made (particularly on the next post). I travelled 165 miles round trip, too early in the day, for Coventry (when thousands generally living much closer couldn't be arsed). Walking up St Andrews Road It felt much much worse than many defeats. Certainly it felt like the organisation I'd witnessed were clearly facing difficulties (the apathy of the community possibly the biggest). If Positive is really as close to the Organisation's hierarchy as he'd like us to believe and they also think they're not facing difficulties, then not only are they blinkered (or perhaps even puddled) but we should fear for the future. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 22, 2021 10:00:13 GMT 1
It felt like a defeat. It was a hummer of a performance. But we were two minutes from victory. Which would now have us in seventh . On joint points with two play off teams. Small margins
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 11:14:42 GMT 1
We drew against Coventry:-) Good point Ted, well made (particularly on the next post). I travelled 165 miles round trip, too early in the day, for Coventry (when thousands generally living much closer couldn't be arsed). Walking up St Andrews Road It felt much much worse than many defeats. Certainly it felt like the organisation I'd witnessed were clearly facing difficulties ( the apathy of the community possibly the biggest). If Positive is really as close to the Organisation's hierarchy as he'd like us to believe and they also think they're not facing difficulties, then not only are they blinkered (or perhaps even puddled) but we should fear for the future. *Maybe* if England follows Scotland and Wales (who by now playing behind closed doors are basically admitting that the Covid Passports and Facecoverings they've had in place for the last couple of months haven't worked, so why are we copying that?!), then that problem will be removed from match day soon? No home fans in the ground to put pressure on our every little mistake and booing them off at half time...and away team not playing towards their fans in the second half... ...could give us a bit of a boost. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Dec 22, 2021 11:58:27 GMT 1
It felt like a defeat. It was a hummer of a performance. But we were two minutes from victory. Which would now have us in seventh . On joint points with two play off teams. Small margins If we do by some small miracle finish in a play off position I'll be amazed Ted,if nothing else it would highlight how poor the Championship is this season. Blackburn sitting 3rd tells you all you need to know |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 12:32:19 GMT 1
What difficulties. You like many make up problems when there aren't any. But it's your view but we move on You certainly live up to you username Positive.... ...however if you didn't feel difficulties were being faced in the manner of our defeats to Middlesbrough & Coventry and weren't disappointed with the attendance (and the enthusiasm of those attending - suggesting a diminishing of the connection with the club (if we can still call this increasingly obvious pure business a club)) against Coventry, I'd suggest "Blinkered" might also be an appropriate Username. PS For clarity I'm still in the "Keep Carlos camp" - if a manager is over-performing with a squad, I'd generally suggest keeping him as a very fair % don't. Glad your still in the Carlos camp! |
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Post by H7 on Dec 22, 2021 12:43:35 GMT 1
It felt like a defeat. It was a hummer of a performance. But we were two minutes from victory. Which would now have us in seventh . On joint points with two play off teams. Small margins If we do by some small miracle finish in a play off position I'll be amazed Ted,if nothing else it would highlight how poor the Championship is this season. Blackburn sitting 3rd tells you all you need to know I'd say Blackburn are a very similar team to us (and the group of 9 or 10 that are in or in touch of the playoffs) except with a striker that will score 25-30 goals this season. That's the difference. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 22, 2021 13:10:43 GMT 1
If we do by some small miracle finish in a play off position I'll be amazed Ted,if nothing else it would highlight how poor the Championship is this season. Blackburn sitting 3rd tells you all you need to know I'd say Blackburn are a very similar team to us (and the group of 9 or 10 that are in or in touch of the playoffs) except with a striker that will score 25-30 goals this season. That's the difference. Til a PL team takes him in January |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Dec 22, 2021 13:47:21 GMT 1
I'd say Blackburn are a very similar team to us (and the group of 9 or 10 that are in or in touch of the playoffs) except with a striker that will score 25-30 goals this season. That's the difference. Til a PL team takes him in January Possibly, he's done little prior to this season though |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Dec 23, 2021 21:50:02 GMT 1
How would he become a multimillionaire overnight?!?! If more than one PL club wants to sign him, his signing on fee will run into millions. Then his wages on a 4 year contract on top of that. His signing on fee won’t run into anywhere near millions! |
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Post by Ox Terrier on Dec 23, 2021 21:52:50 GMT 1
That wouldn’t make him a multi millionaire overnight though! 🤣 If he's got a contract that guarantees him say £2m over 12 months x 3-4 years, he can sleep soundly knowing he is effectively a MMair. The original point was “overnight” which suggests immediately. I understand that he’d be rolling in it long term but to say he’d be a multimillionaire OVERNIGHT was way off the mark. |
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Post by tobyg on Dec 23, 2021 22:09:49 GMT 1
If he's got a contract that guarantees him say £2m over 12 months x 3-4 years, he can sleep soundly knowing he is effectively a MMair. The original point was “overnight” which suggests immediately. I understand that he’d be rolling in it long term but to say he’d be a multimillionaire OVERNIGHT was way off the mark. You never know, if two clubs are willing to trigger the release clause a bidding war could move to the signing on fee/ wages. |
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 23, 2021 22:30:27 GMT 1
If we do by some small miracle finish in a play off position I'll be amazed Ted,if nothing else it would highlight how poor the Championship is this season. Blackburn sitting 3rd tells you all you need to know I'd say Blackburn are a very similar team to us (and the group of 9 or 10 that are in or in touch of the playoffs) except with a striker that will score 25-30 goals this season. That's the difference. I’d say Blackburn are one of 4 - 6 teams in the division who are much better than us. Bournemouth, Cov, Fulham, QPR? WBA? are the others |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Dec 23, 2021 22:34:53 GMT 1
If he's got a contract that guarantees him say £2m over 12 months x 3-4 years, he can sleep soundly knowing he is effectively a MMair. The original point was “overnight” which suggests immediately. I understand that he’d be rolling in it long term but to say he’d be a multimillionaire OVERNIGHT was way off the mark. Not way off the mark. A contract that promises to pay x over y that amounts to several million makes you a multimillionaire. You do not have the liquidized cash at your disposal,but you could certainly borrow against that contract if you so wished, as you are definitely going to get paid the full amount. |
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