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Post by justalad on Apr 7, 2021 16:47:16 GMT 1
Haha ... look at me, I didn't even get my response to Malcolbrown in the right box :-(
I guess that this means I am not fit to make any comment after such a shocking mistake.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 7, 2021 16:50:17 GMT 1
Haha ... look at me, I didn't even get my response to Malcolbrown in the right box :-( I guess that this means I am not fit to make any comment after such a shocking mistake. It’s what people will remember about you
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 7, 2021 17:53:45 GMT 1
Haha ... look at me, I didn't even get my response to Malcolbrown in the right box :-( I guess that this means I am not fit to make any comment after such a shocking mistake. ?
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Post by deepc on Apr 7, 2021 19:54:11 GMT 1
There's a sad fact that I've come across throughout my many years of life and I see this demonstrated vividly in the sentiment of this original post. Imho it's summed up in this meme that's been doing the rounds on social media .... One day a school teacher wrote on the board the following: 9×1=7 9×2=18 9×3=27 9×4=36 9×5=45 9×6=54 9×7=63 9×8=72 9×9=81 9×10=90 When she was done, she looked to the students and they were all laughing at her, because of the first equation which was wrong, and then the teacher said the following; "I wrote that first one wrong on purpose, because I wanted you to learn something important. This was for you to know how the world out there will treat you. You can see that I wrote CORRECTLY 9 times, but none of you congratulated me for it; but you all laughed and criticised me because of one wrong thing I did". So this is the lesson: People will never appreciate the good that you do even if you do it many, many times, but they will sure as hell criticise the one 'wrong' thing you do... A rather glib and irrelevant anecdote. Thanks for sharing it though Dean. Or, as we say in Batley " I shagger the one Sheep "
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Post by lancsterrier on Apr 8, 2021 18:48:34 GMT 1
There's a sad fact that I've come across throughout my many years of life and I see this demonstrated vividly in the sentiment of this original post. Imho it's summed up in this meme that's been doing the rounds on social media .... One day a school teacher wrote on the board the following: 9×1=7 9×2=18 9×3=27 9×4=36 9×5=45 9×6=54 9×7=63 9×8=72 9×9=81 9×10=90 When she was done, she looked to the students and they were all laughing at her, because of the first equation which was wrong, and then the teacher said the following; "I wrote that first one wrong on purpose, because I wanted you to learn something important. This was for you to know how the world out there will treat you. You can see that I wrote CORRECTLY 9 times, but none of you congratulated me for it; but you all laughed and criticised me because of one wrong thing I did". So this is the lesson: People will never appreciate the good that you do even if you do it many, many times, but they will sure as hell criticise the one 'wrong' thing you do... Tony Blair did lots of good things in my eyes but then joined in with the disastrous invasion of Iraq. Do the former good deeds mean he can't be criticised for this? Tony Blair ranks with Thatcher as worst PM, which is amazing really as since after Attlee they have all been useless. This isn't about making a mistake or doing something wrong which is to be human. The real issue is who buys a club (or anything) then wants the money they spent back, what happened to the Prem money because it evidently didn't go into creating even a Championship team. I am a low paid key worker, my money is not going to pay back some multimillionaire.
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 8, 2021 20:34:41 GMT 1
Tony Blair did lots of good things in my eyes but then joined in with the disastrous invasion of Iraq. Do the former good deeds mean he can't be criticised for this? Tony Blair ranks with Thatcher as worst PM, which is amazing really as since after Attlee they have all been useless. This isn't about making a mistake or doing something wrong which is to be human. The real issue is who buys a club (or anything) then wants the money they spent back, what happened to the Prem money because it evidently didn't go into creating even a Championship team. I am a low paid key worker, my money is not going to pay back some multimillionaire. Unfortunately it is. There aren't many hobbies where you get to reclaim most of your outlay when you tire of said hobby, however it appears that owning Huddersfield Town differs from this.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 8, 2021 21:24:30 GMT 1
Tony Blair ranks with Thatcher as worst PM, which is amazing really as since after Attlee they have all been useless. This isn't about making a mistake or doing something wrong which is to be human. The real issue is who buys a club (or anything) then wants the money they spent back, what happened to the Prem money because it evidently didn't go into creating even a Championship team. I am a low paid key worker, my money is not going to pay back some multimillionaire. Unfortunately it is. There aren't many hobbies where you get to reclaim most of your outlay when you tire of said hobby, however it appears that owning Huddersfield Town differs from this. If people wanted a 'return' on their investment in a hobby then football isn't really the best choice. You pay your money ot having a clue what 90 mins will bring. As for funding a multi millionaire, there's also the point that you fund very average but very well paid professional footballers.
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Post by birchencliffe on Apr 8, 2021 21:30:48 GMT 1
A few years back he has like God status and a bad word dearnt be said about him so now the club has hit a rough patch everyone is deserting him in droves, it's quite sickly. The guy spent his own fortune and took Town up to the heights and now everyone just wants to kick him. Be careful what you wish far is my advice. looking forward to a summer holiday any suggestions?
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Post by pixie on Apr 8, 2021 21:42:21 GMT 1
The real issue is who buys a club (or anything) then wants the money they spent back, what happened to the Prem money because it evidently didn't go into creating even a Championship team. I am a low paid key worker, my money is not going to pay back some multimillionaire. Unfortunately it is. There aren't many hobbies where you get to reclaim most of your outlay when you tire of said hobby, however it appears that owning Huddersfield Town differs from this. When Hoyle took over and it was costing him about £5m a year in running the club I feel sure he said he was prepared to lose this as he did not really expect to ever get his money back. What has changed his mind in the interim? It seems the millions we received from the Premier League is the main reason, but why? If he was prepared to lose say £50m a few years ago, why is he so determined to claim most of it back now, especially in view of the club's current financial status? Since he signed the cheques for the purchases that have put us in this embarrassing position, surely he is at least partly responsible for this calamity. I know that if I was in his shoes I would accept this and take the losses on the chin rather than expect to be bailed out by the fans. I am very disappointed in a man I always considered a hero.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 21:45:06 GMT 1
Unfortunately it is. There aren't many hobbies where you get to reclaim most of your outlay when you tire of said hobby, however it appears that owning Huddersfield Town differs from this. When Hoyle took over and it was costing him about £5m a year in running the club I feel sure he said he was prepared to lose this as he did not really expect to ever get his money back. What has changed his mind in the interim? It seems the millions we received from the Premier League is the main reason, but why? If he was prepared to lose say £50m a few years ago, why is he so determined to claim most of it back now, especially in view of the club's current financial status? Since he signed the cheques for the purchases that have put us in this embarrassing position, surely he is at least partly responsible for this calamity. I know that if I was in his shoes I would accept this and take the losses on the chin rather than expect to be bailed out by the fans. I am very disappointed in a man I always considered a hero. It's very easy to say this, when it's not your £50m. It isn't £50 it's £50m, although I fully agree, it's easier us saying it when it's not our cash. That's some serious money towards kids and grandkids to come etc. Also think him falling ill has factored into it too. May have thought life is too short, family first etc. I wouldn't blame him at all, although isn't looking great for us or how he's now being seen
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 8, 2021 21:52:24 GMT 1
A few years back he has like God status and a bad word dearnt be said about him so now the club has hit a rough patch everyone is deserting him in droves, it's quite sickly. The guy spent his own fortune and took Town up to the heights and now everyone just wants to kick him. Be careful what you wish far is my advice. looking forward to a summer holiday any suggestions? Are you planning to go far ?
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Apr 8, 2021 21:56:28 GMT 1
He briefly let the mask slip in the "Today's Games" thread: Also I have to add I've read this forum on and off over the years and I found it a bit of a joke when Leeds were struggling and people were suggesting they weren't a big club anymore...they are huge! We just have to admit it now and then, now they are back in the top flight I just think it's a great that a big club can represent Yorkshire and I know they are our rivals ...maybe its just a generation thing.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 8, 2021 22:12:18 GMT 1
When Hoyle took over and it was costing him about £5m a year in running the club I feel sure he said he was prepared to lose this as he did not really expect to ever get his money back. What has changed his mind in the interim? It seems the millions we received from the Premier League is the main reason, but why? If he was prepared to lose say £50m a few years ago, why is he so determined to claim most of it back now, especially in view of the club's current financial status? Since he signed the cheques for the purchases that have put us in this embarrassing position, surely he is at least partly responsible for this calamity. I know that if I was in his shoes I would accept this and take the losses on the chin rather than expect to be bailed out by the fans. I am very disappointed in a man I always considered a hero. It's very easy to say this, when it's not your £50m. It isn't £50 it's £50m, although I fully agree, it's easier us saying it when it's not our cash. That's some serious money towards kids and grandkids to come etc. Also think him falling ill has factored into it too. May have thought life is too short, family first etc. I wouldn't blame him at all, although isn't looking great for us or how he's now being seen He is fabulously wealthy. He must be worth tens if not hundreds of millions. £50 to some people is the weekly shop.
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Post by pixie on Apr 8, 2021 22:16:39 GMT 1
When Hoyle took over and it was costing him about £5m a year in running the club I feel sure he said he was prepared to lose this as he did not really expect to ever get his money back. What has changed his mind in the interim? It seems the millions we received from the Premier League is the main reason, but why? If he was prepared to lose say £50m a few years ago, why is he so determined to claim most of it back now, especially in view of the club's current financial status? Since he signed the cheques for the purchases that have put us in this embarrassing position, surely he is at least partly responsible for this calamity. I know that if I was in his shoes I would accept this and take the losses on the chin rather than expect to be bailed out by the fans. I am very disappointed in a man I always considered a hero. It's very easy to say this, when it's not your £50m. It isn't £50 it's £50m, although I fully agree, it's easier us saying it when it's not our cash. That's some serious money towards kids and grandkids to come etc. Also think him falling ill has factored into it too. May have thought life is too short, family first etc. I wouldn't blame him at all, although isn't looking great for us or how he's now being seen I'm an occasional gambler but never gamble more than I can afford to lose. That's it, £50 or £50m. Didn't his wife get a similar windfall by the way? His illness may have affected his decision but I don't think the family are in danger of starving.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 22:36:01 GMT 1
It's very easy to say this, when it's not your £50m. It isn't £50 it's £50m, although I fully agree, it's easier us saying it when it's not our cash. That's some serious money towards kids and grandkids to come etc. Also think him falling ill has factored into it too. May have thought life is too short, family first etc. I wouldn't blame him at all, although isn't looking great for us or how he's now being seen I'm an occasional gambler but never gamble more than I can afford to lose. That's it, £50 or £50m. Didn't his wife get a similar windfall by the way? His illness may have affected his decision but I don't think the family are in danger of starving. If you were selling a business which had £50m+ in the bank and this business owed you £50m, would you take the money back or would you gift it to the new owner?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 22:38:38 GMT 1
He briefly let the mask slip in the "Today's Games" thread: Also I have to add I've read this forum on and off over the years and I found it a bit of a joke when Leeds were struggling and people were suggesting they weren't a big club anymore...they are huge! We just have to admit it now and then, now they are back in the top flight I just think it's a great that a big club can represent Yorkshire and I know they are our rivals ...maybe its just a generation thing. Well 'outed' - these chestfondlers aren't too bright are they!
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 8, 2021 22:41:30 GMT 1
I'm an occasional gambler but never gamble more than I can afford to lose. That's it, £50 or £50m. Didn't his wife get a similar windfall by the way? His illness may have affected his decision but I don't think the family are in danger of starving. If you were selling a business which had £50m+ in the bank and this business owed you £50m, would you take the money back or would you gift it to the new owner? I think the point everyone misses is what the value of HTFC was regardless of what the club owed him in directors loans. He has in effect given the club to the new owner for the best interests of the club. He could’ve said I want £50m for the club, and the £50m it owes me back. I think the way he has worked it is entirely reasonable and keeps the new owner ‘honest’ as DTS would say. What I mean by that is, there are obligations left which ensure the financial compliance and good running of the club. If it was just gifted to someone (who he admittedly doesn’t know very well) debt free, the chance of bad decision making, and financial malpractice is much greater. Same reason he’s retained a shareholding IMO
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Post by shawsie on Apr 8, 2021 22:46:19 GMT 1
I'm an occasional gambler but never gamble more than I can afford to lose. That's it, £50 or £50m. Didn't his wife get a similar windfall by the way? His illness may have affected his decision but I don't think the family are in danger of starving. If you were selling a business which had £50m+ in the bank and this business owed you £50m, would you take the money back or would you gift it to the new owner? Depends on whether i was selling solely for the money or was looking to leave a legacy i suppose
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Post by pixie on Apr 8, 2021 23:03:50 GMT 1
I'm an occasional gambler but never gamble more than I can afford to lose. That's it, £50 or £50m. Didn't his wife get a similar windfall by the way? His illness may have affected his decision but I don't think the family are in danger of starving. If you were selling a business which had £50m+ in the bank and this business owed you £50m, would you take the money back or would you gift it to the new owner? This is not a like for like scenario. In your example you could leave £50m in the bank and sell the business for say £80m or you could withdraw the business's £50m and sell for £30m. No difference either way, you make £30m.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 8, 2021 23:15:51 GMT 1
If you were selling a business which had £50m+ in the bank and this business owed you £50m, would you take the money back or would you gift it to the new owner? This is not a like for like scenario. In your example you could leave £50m in the bank and sell the business for say £80m or you could withdraw the business's £50m and sell for £30m. No difference either way, you make £30m. As far as I can tell he’s withdrawing £50m from ‘the bank’ and selling for £0 so making zero profit on his asset.
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Post by pixie on Apr 8, 2021 23:17:32 GMT 1
If you were selling a business which had £50m+ in the bank and this business owed you £50m, would you take the money back or would you gift it to the new owner? I think the point everyone misses is what the value of HTFC was regardless of what the club owed him in directors loans. He has in effect given the club to the new owner for the best interests of the club. He could’ve said I want £50m for the club, and the £50m it owes me back. I think the way he has worked it is entirely reasonable and keeps the new owner ‘honest’ as DTS would say. What I mean by that is, there are obligations left which ensure the financial compliance and good running of the club. If it was just gifted to someone (who he admittedly doesn’t know very well) debt free, the chance of bad decision making, and financial malpractice is much greater. Same reason he’s retained a shareholding IMO I take your point. I don't know the value of HTAFC but maybe I owe an apology to DH.
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Post by pixie on Apr 8, 2021 23:23:19 GMT 1
This is not a like for like scenario. In your example you could leave £50m in the bank and sell the business for say £80m or you could withdraw the business's £50m and sell for £30m. No difference either way, you make £30m. As far as I can tell he’s withdrawing £50m from ‘the bank’ and selling for £0 so making zero profit on his asset. Why should he sell for £0? The business may have plenty other assets, property etc. That's why he sold for £30m.
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Post by specialun on Apr 8, 2021 23:37:42 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle had every right to take the selfish option and think of himself / family over the fans
Vast majority on here would have done exactly the same
But he can’t take that option, stick two fingers up to the fans and expect god like status.
Can’t have it both ways!
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Post by kayeb222 on Apr 8, 2021 23:45:06 GMT 1
A few years back he has like God status and a bad word dearnt be said about him so now the club has hit a rough patch everyone is deserting him in droves, it's quite sickly. The guy spent his own fortune and took Town up to the heights and now everyone just wants to kick him. Be careful what you wish far is my advice. Ok I'm going to bite. He spent a part of his massive (but well earned) fortune, and now wants it back. If this is a rough patch, it seems to be a very long one. He's not the Messiah, he's a .... Very naughty boy..... Apart from the improved training facilities,several promotions, trips to Wembley and old Trafford,cheap season tickets,2 years in the premier League, multi million pound signings, full stadiums and a great atmosphere and team spirit..what have the Romans I mean Dean Hoyle ever done for us?
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 8, 2021 23:54:52 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle had every right to take the selfish option and think of himself / family over the fans Vast majority on here would have done exactly the same But he can’t take that option, stick two fingers up to the fans and expect god like status. Can’t have it both ways! He hasn’t done that though? He’s taking his loans back and more or less gifting the club for free. How is that sticking two fingers up to anyone? There are so many fans who really can’t see farther than their nose on this point. I think one of his biggest mistakes has been trying to be honest about the clubs financial position (which no other club does) and has been proved to be completely beyond the wit of the vast majority of our fans.
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Post by benhomly on Apr 8, 2021 23:56:56 GMT 1
Ok I'm going to bite. He spent a part of his massive (but well earned) fortune, and now wants it back. If this is a rough patch, it seems to be a very long one. He's not the Messiah, he's a .... Very naughty boy..... Apart from the improved training facilities,several promotions, trips to Wembley and old Trafford,cheap season tickets,2 years in the premier League, multi million pound signings, full stadiums and a great atmosphere and team spirit..what have the Romans I mean Dean Hoyle ever done for us? Free beer. Clappers. Free shirts and t-shirts. On the flip side I don’t think many of the ‘multi million’ pound signings actually worked. And to be pedantic it’s 2 promotions. Several promotions would be 3 or more.
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Post by kayeb222 on Apr 9, 2021 0:05:16 GMT 1
Very naughty boy..... Apart from the improved training facilities,several promotions, trips to Wembley and old Trafford,cheap season tickets,2 years in the premier League, multi million pound signings, full stadiums and a great atmosphere and team spirit..what have the Romans I mean Dean Hoyle ever done for us? Free beer. Clappers. Free shirts and t-shirts. On the flip side I don’t think many of the ‘multi million’ pound signings actually worked. And to be pedantic it’s 2 promotions. Several promotions would be 3 or more. I couldn't remember if the millennium stadium promotion was before Dean's time and couldn't be arsed googling it, that's why I put 'several'
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Post by kayeb222 on Apr 9, 2021 0:10:51 GMT 1
Free beer. Clappers. Free shirts and t-shirts. On the flip side I don’t think many of the ‘multi million’ pound signings actually worked. And to be pedantic it’s 2 promotions. Several promotions would be 3 or more. I couldn't remember if the millennium stadium promotion was before Dean's time and couldn't be arsed googling it, that's why I put 'several' Just googled it. I was about 4 years out!!
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Post by kayeb222 on Apr 9, 2021 0:44:27 GMT 1
He briefly let the mask slip in the "Today's Games" thread: Also I have to add I've read this forum on and off over the years and I found it a bit of a joke when Leeds were struggling and people were suggesting they weren't a big club anymore...they are huge! We just have to admit it now and then, now they are back in the top flight I just think it's a great that a big club can represent Yorkshire and I know they are our rivals ...maybe its just a generation thing. yeah covid masks are tricky for some people. They told me I had to wear a mask the last time I went to the bank, it's ironic that you would be arrested for wearing one in the bank in days gone by!!!
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Post by specialun on Apr 9, 2021 2:12:28 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle had every right to take the selfish option and think of himself / family over the fans Vast majority on here would have done exactly the same But he can’t take that option, stick two fingers up to the fans and expect god like status. Can’t have it both ways! He hasn’t done that though? He’s taking his loans back and more or less gifting the club for free. How is that sticking two fingers up to anyone? There are so many fans who really can’t see farther than their nose on this point. I think one of his biggest mistakes has been trying to be honest about the clubs financial position (which no other club does) and has been proved to be completely beyond the wit of the vast majority of our fans. Perhaps two fingers is the wrong expression Let me take you back to December 2014 Htafc.com - “The Club continues to be wholly owned by Dean Hoyle, with no institutional debt or short term debt funding and operates with no overdraft. The long term debt due to the former owner has been reduced to £0.5m. Long term debt due to Dean Hoyle continues to be unsecured, interest free and without repayment date.” The December 2014 article is quite an interesting read actually - talks a lot about something called parachute payments and how they give our opponents an unfair advantage (!!) “ Many clubs benefit (!!) from receiving significant and increased ‘parachute payments’ from the Premier League. Back in 2008, parachutes were around £25m. Now they are £48m and set to rise further. The amount will rise again with the dilution of Financial Fair Play rules and new TV deals.” Had we not got promoted then Hoyle would have never seen those unsecured loans repaid ... who would have repaid them? Call Phil who he’d never met to gift him the club? What’s he asking Phil to repay him with? Monopoly money? Hoyle called promotion ‘a moment in time’ He was right as it was the moment which gave us parachute payments at the end & the moment which gave Hoyle an opportunity to be able to be repaid He had two options 1. Take a view that we had won promotion, we got relegated but he wanted to keep his on the field legacy in tact and would not request his loans to be repaid or do so over a long term period - they’d have never been if we hadn’t been promoted Or 2. He could decide you know what I’m not going to get this opportunity again, this is my chance to get my loan repaid with the club getting those parachute payments .... but in doing so it the fans / team won’t see any benefit from the Premier League. We won’t see any of that benefit (!) back in 2014 we seemed unhappy others had! In other words his choices were 1. Choose the fans / club or 2. Choose himself. He chose himself. Fair enough.
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