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Post by Galpharmer on Apr 14, 2021 12:03:52 GMT 1
I've said that about chess for a while. A lot of games are a seriously shit game of chess, settled, or not, by a decent finish. It's hardly out of your seat stuff. I liked the Wagner years. In tight games, I started to believe that we had the perfect mentality and set up to control very tight games. Now, the dicking around at the back really grinds my gears. Some teams can afford to play that way. Risk, reward. Town can't. When there's almost zero chance of scoring 1, let alone 2, it's fucking moronic. Suicide.
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Post by digs on Apr 14, 2021 12:09:50 GMT 1
In spite of everything, I honestly don't think that we will go down. We'll scramble a couple of draws somewhere and survive (but it certainly won't be by goal difference!) I have never felt so disconnected and unenthusiastic. I hate what football has become, especially the abhorrent Premier League and everything that goes with membership of that. The excitement, the fervour, the rush that I used to get watching fast attacking football died when Lee Clark left. I tried to enjoy WagnerBall because it was "the future of football" and it got us results but it always left us clinging on to odd goal leads in the closing minutes. Since then - with just a handful of exceptions - it's been like watching a game of chess played out on the pitch, with the ball going backwards and sideways far more often than forwards. It's not just Town - it's football in general. It's dull; it's predictable; for the most part it's pedestrian. And we're struggling to play it with a team made-up of ageing and unfit cast-offs looking for one last hoorah, youngsters being played out of position and players who just look as though they've never played the game before. There's too much of it on TV, especially now, with ridiculously staggered kick-off times; VAR is just wrong - let the refs get on with as they have done in all sports for hundreds of years; the media obsession with the Premier League and the Women's Game to the almost total exclusion of the rest of the football pyramid where the REAL footballers ply their trade the REAL supporters can be found. No, sadly football just doesn't do it for me any more. I've said that about chess for a while. A lot of games are a seriously shit game of chess, settled, or not, by a decent finish. It's hardly out of your seat stuff. I'd get out of my seat to play with Beth Harmon
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Post by dugnet on Apr 14, 2021 12:20:09 GMT 1
The season ticket debate is interesting in so much as there are many reasons for buying one.
Blind loyalty Expectation that the team will be successful/entertaining Enjoyment of the day out irrespective of the results
There is one thing for sure, if we drop numbers significantly it has to send a message to those in charge that at the very least people have no faith in the fortunes of the club. This from a position of relative strength.
In his programme notes last night PH made comment about "hitting the reset button". Didn't we do that last summer? How many resets will we need to actually address our, rapid, decline?
To lose the support of so many fans is pretty shameful. The reasons continue to be debated but there is one absolute fact: The fans aren't to blame, we bought the tickets (irrespective of the attractive price), we bought the shirts and we created an atmosphere that showed the real potential in our club.
I am likely to buy a ticket (although if we are relegated, and at the moment this looks a case of when not if, that could change) but that doesn't mean I will be in anyway happy. Buying a season ticket, much in the same way as travelling to Yeovil on a Tuesday night, doesn't make me any better a fan than anyone else. No better than those who chose to ride the Premier League train, no better than those who turned up for one or two games a season - anyone who has Town in their heart is a fan for me.
If I sit in a half fill stadium again I will struggle not to think what an opportunity we missed, and that will be a very bitter taste.
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Post by Galpharmer on Apr 14, 2021 12:28:08 GMT 1
I've said that about chess for a while. A lot of games are a seriously shit game of chess, settled, or not, by a decent finish. It's hardly out of your seat stuff. I'd get out of my seat to play with Beth Harmon I don't doubt that for a second. Hopefully you're talking about one of the later episodes though....
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Post by cappy on Apr 14, 2021 12:30:19 GMT 1
No I'm not renewing mine . there's just no fun watching town anymore.when we got promoted to premier league .it was just magic.i Even had a tattoo.that says the dream came true.but now I have no dream anyone .I will still go to the odd match but not many 😔🥴
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Post by SN0W on Apr 14, 2021 12:32:38 GMT 1
I haven't had any communication yet from the club about renewals, otherwise I probably would have done.
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Post by impact on Apr 14, 2021 12:32:45 GMT 1
I must say I don't remember us "clinging on" to 1 goal leads under Wagner. I remember us being in total control the vast majority of the time, hence why we rarely conceded late on.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Apr 14, 2021 12:32:47 GMT 1
Renewed yesterday for me and my boy. I enjoy the ritual of going. My, my lad, my wife's dad. Every week. It 's great and I;ve missed it. Even when we're shite, I kiss the gallows humour of laughing about how bad we are.
Clearly, I'm far from happy with the direction we've been heading in for a while now, and I have no faith in our chairman, and very little left in Carlos, but I've always said I'd watch them even if we dropped out of the league altogether.
Oh, and I miss waiting for 20 minutes while some feckless student serves me shite beer and a pie the temperature of the sun. No matter how hard I try I can't take that long pouring myself a beer and my oven only goes to 240C
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2021 12:33:58 GMT 1
I'm in the not sure group I will most likely renew because I like going to games with my Dad - he's in his 70s and going to the game is something I'll miss when he's too old to go to live games So the decision to renew is nothing really to do with what I expect to see on the pitch but rather it's a chance for a few hours a week with my Dad doing something we've done together since the early 90s I've already decided I won't be renewing the junior ticket I use for my one of my kids. I can't imagine the experience next year will be especially pleasant because I can see it either being a relegation campaign (and I mean we won't get 30 points) or a underwhelming League One campaign. In both scenarios I think the atmosphere in the ground will be poor and I'd rather my kids remember fun atmospheres rather than getting put off for life
You really should renew pal,, My old boy started taking me as a 5yo in the mid 70s, He asked me if I fancied a season ticket to sit with him in the upper tier when Powell was in charge,, I didn't fancy it and just went as and when with my mates and probably attended more away games than home.
The old lad kicked the bucket a week after Wagner arrived, I now look back and wish I had gone down and watched a season with him in the upper tier.
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Post by harrythedog on Apr 14, 2021 13:10:28 GMT 1
If Lincoln get promoted they'll be swapping places with Town. Sad times. In spite of everything, I honestly don't think that we will go down. We'll scramble a couple of draws somewhere and survive (but it certainly won't be by goal difference!) I have never felt so disconnected and unenthusiastic. I hate what football has become, especially the abhorrent Premier League and everything that goes with membership of that. The excitement, the fervour, the rush that I used to get watching fast attacking football died when Lee Clark left. I tried to enjoy WagnerBall because it was "the future of football" and it got us results but it always left us clinging on to odd goal leads in the closing minutes. Since then - with just a handful of exceptions - it's been like watching a game of chess played out on the pitch, with the ball going backwards and sideways far more often than forwards. It's not just Town - it's football in general. It's dull; it's predictable; for the most part it's pedestrian. And we're struggling to play it with a team made-up of ageing and unfit cast-offs looking for one last hoorah, youngsters being played out of position and players who just look as though they've never played the game before. There's too much of it on TV, especially now, with ridiculously staggered kick-off times; VAR is just wrong - let the refs get on with as they have done in all sports for hundreds of years; the media obsession with the Premier League and the Women's Game to the almost total exclusion of the rest of the football pyramid where the REAL footballers ply their trade the REAL supporters can be found. No, sadly football just doesn't do it for me any more. The second quite telling post you've made this week Mansfield, I can't remember which the other was, i'm a busy man. But generally this "modern" approach if it doesn't work is terrible. We also seem to be the masters of it being crap apart from a while under Wagner, but then we had Mooy to dictate the play. Last night we get ourselves back in the game and then waste time at the end of the game passing it around the centre halves whilst looking for an opening. This has happened in every game we've been chasing since Christmas and to top it off when we get in good positions during a game we invariably pass it backwards. The 12th minute last night we had a corner that ended up back with Schofield. Its crap and its not entertainment if it doesn't work. Without Koroma there are hardly any goals in the team and that in itself during the run-in could result in us going down, how we've managed to score 43 is beyond me. Summed up by a midfielder who's been here since 2013 scoring his second league goal for us and only the third in his career. He's part of the problem, but ill get shot down for that so you can all me what you want and i'll sign off and do some work. I think i'll buy one, the wife will think i've gone to the game but i'll probably stay in the pub.
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Post by Stavros on Apr 14, 2021 13:13:56 GMT 1
No, for reasons mentioned previously on other threads. Some great points made by MT, about football being more like a game of chess, with all the endless fannying around at the back etc, VAR and so on. I’ve just been reading an article by Henry Blofeld concerning the introduction of “The Hundred”. No more wickets, to be replaced as he says by the ugly word “outs”, while batsmen are to be called “batters”. The fielding position of third man will be just “third”. As HB says, these alterations are both insulting and pointless. He refers to the woke agenda and wonders where will it end? Will “silly mid off”, “fine leg” now be offensive and “straight bat” homophobic? Change is not good. Stop the world I want to get off. Sounds like a bit of a gammon Henry. How is replacing 'wickets' with 'outs' woke? Terry Curran was on facebook yesterday bemoaning VAR and saying the woke brigade have destroyed football. What's woke about VAR? Both Henry and Terry need to think before they type, but they're so gammony they can't pause for a second to do so. Gonna give themselves a heart attack.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 14, 2021 13:17:53 GMT 1
Yes. I’d renew regardless of cost, division or who the chairman happens to be.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 14, 2021 13:45:04 GMT 1
I'm in the not sure group I will most likely renew because I like going to games with my Dad - he's in his 70s and going to the game is something I'll miss when he's too old to go to live games So the decision to renew is nothing really to do with what I expect to see on the pitch but rather it's a chance for a few hours a week with my Dad doing something we've done together since the early 90s I've already decided I won't be renewing the junior ticket I use for my one of my kids. I can't imagine the experience next year will be especially pleasant because I can see it either being a relegation campaign (and I mean we won't get 30 points) or a underwhelming League One campaign. In both scenarios I think the atmosphere in the ground will be poor and I'd rather my kids remember fun atmospheres rather than getting put off for life
You really should renew pal,, My old boy started taking me as a 5yo in the mid 70s, He asked me if I fancied a season ticket to sit with him in the upper tier when Powell was in charge,, I didn't fancy it and just went as and when with my mates and probably attended more away games than home.
The old lad kicked the bucket a week after Wagner arrived, I now look back and wish I had gone down and watched a season with him in the upper tier.
Sorry to hear and I think what you're saying is my worry as well, i.e. I'll not renew and regret it in a few years My Dads health is fine right now but he's not getting any younger and is closer to 80 than 70. My decision to renew won't be an endorsement of the running of the club - it's a shitshow - but rather a very personal one. I can completely understand why other long standing fans are planning on taking a pass next time around
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Post by rsouls on Apr 14, 2021 13:55:52 GMT 1
Yes, been going since about 1970 and had a ST for as long as I can remember. Seen far worse than now. that doesnt make it right tho does it
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Apr 14, 2021 14:06:51 GMT 1
If I was our chairman I'd be seriously concerned at how the poll looks so far, as it seems to me we're potentially losing a lot of loyal fans. Add to that the "floaters/newbies" who will not bother and we look like having a massive drop in income. He should act now. Personally I hope to move to the upper tier near the South stand, preferably with an aisle seat as I piss a lot when I'm drinking. Every cloud
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Post by SN0W on Apr 14, 2021 14:32:10 GMT 1
Renewed yesterday for me and my boy. I enjoy the ritual of going. My, my lad, my wife's dad. Every week. It 's great and I;ve missed it. Even when we're shite, I kiss the gallows humour of laughing about how bad we are. Clearly, I'm far from happy with the direction we've been heading in for a while now, and I have no faith in our chairman, and very little left in Carlos, but I've always said I'd watch them even if we dropped out of the league altogether. Oh, and I miss waiting for 20 minutes while some feckless student serves me shite beer and a pie the temperature of the sun. No matter how hard I try I can't take that long pouring myself a beer and my oven only goes to 240C Rang them, it's done. Stuff the football, I just couldn't stand the thought of some stranger sitting in my seat.
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Post by insooth on Apr 14, 2021 14:43:43 GMT 1
What is the point in renewing now. I ask myself. Weeks away before the deadline.
Now, if big changes are suddenly afoot(not Mbenza`s left) such as exciting new players guaranteed, then there could be a rush.
PLEASE-PLEASE-PLEASE!
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Post by willo on Apr 14, 2021 15:52:43 GMT 1
Too many ifs & ands for me at the moment. Whereas once upon a time I’d have renewed pretty much straightaway (it was a ritual really), the same can’t be said anymore. It was getting to the point that the best part of a match day was going to the pub beforehand and I could do that without making a 90 minute round trip by staying local. If we have until the end of June to renew (and possibly longer knowing Town), then I shall leave it right to the death before making a decision by which time we will certainly know which league we’re going to be in next season, what the likely budget is going to be for team strengthening and most important of all, whether we’ll all actually be able to get into stadiums again. If I do renew and we’re faced with more of the same next season, I shall be picking my games. If I don’t renew, I shall still take in a few games and vary it with watching (if allowed) one or two of the more local teams to me and jumping on the train to go watch Harrogate Town from time to time. This whole pandemic thing has allowed some people to look beyond what they would have done once upon a time without a second thought and see there is more to life than just the same old routine.
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Post by Jack on Apr 14, 2021 16:25:53 GMT 1
If if wasn't for the discount codes they were offering to long time season card holders earlier in the year I probably wouldn't have bothered.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Apr 14, 2021 16:37:17 GMT 1
The reason that many have stated for not renewing/buying a ST (lack of squad investment), those problems are compounded further by not buying a ST. It's quite alarming how many fail to grasp that simple fact.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 14, 2021 16:52:06 GMT 1
The reason that many have stated for not renewing/buying a ST (lack of squad investment), those problems are compounded further by not buying a ST. It's quite alarming how many fail to grasp that simple fact. I’m sure most are intelligent enough to understand that very basic fact. Just as they are capable of understanding why as a club we were not able to capitalise on reaching the Premier League. As far as finances are concerned, I’m sure lots like me, decided to support the club through this dreadful season by leaving their money with the club ( in my case £500 ) People either undecided or intent on not renewing should not be accused as been not bright enough to understand the financial consequences in my opinion.
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 14, 2021 16:55:57 GMT 1
The reason that many have stated for not renewing/buying a ST (lack of squad investment), those problems are compounded further by not buying a ST. It's quite alarming how many fail to grasp that simple fact. I think plenty do grasp that fact, and yes you are hurting the club you support by not renewing. But it's more a case of do you actually trust them to spend any further income received? Or if so spend it wisely? It seems like at the minute we could sell 8k season tickets and spend fuck all, or sell 16k season tickets and still spend fuck all. What's the answer if you are unhappy? How else do you properly show dissatisfaction? Just pay up indefinitely?
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Apr 14, 2021 16:58:12 GMT 1
The reason that many have stated for not renewing/buying a ST (lack of squad investment), those problems are compounded further by not buying a ST. It's quite alarming how many fail to grasp that simple fact. Worked that out but my last two renewals seem to have just helped to pay for Hoyle to build a new wing on his house. Why would it be any different this time round?
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 14, 2021 17:00:18 GMT 1
No chance. I won’t be returning until Phil sells up.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 14, 2021 17:12:02 GMT 1
The reason that many have stated for not renewing/buying a ST (lack of squad investment), those problems are compounded further by not buying a ST. It's quite alarming how many fail to grasp that simple fact. Nonsense, what about those who are less than convinced that those in charge are capable of using the money wisely? Spare us the condescending rhetoric please.
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Post by cuckney on Apr 14, 2021 18:20:33 GMT 1
Can’t decide - first game was the promotion season of 1970 and had season ticket every year for last 25.
It’s so much more than just the football: watching my kids growing up and changing from being more interested in a coke at half time to loving the team, meeting up with them every weekend, not just for the football but to catch up with what they were doing as life progressed, visiting my mum before each game and watching as she became older and more frail. But what about the football: my first visit to Wembley and the defeat of Bristol Rovers, Macca’s two goals in injury time against Scunthorpe, Tony Carrs, 2-2 at Elland Road with Pilks (I think) hitting the bar in the last couple of minutes, “the towel is ours” and the 4-4 at Hillsborough. All of these before the joy of promotion and that day back at the new Wembley.
But things have changed - the kids grow up and one lives a busy life in London so struggles to attend, mum’s frailty increases and she’s now in a care home nearer to me, and for the last three years the football’s been dire. Two wins in 20 I think it is now.
I had faith in Dean Hoyle, I’m not sure I have in him now or his successor. But then there was Alan Lee at Arsenal.
Still undecided......
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Post by willo on Apr 14, 2021 19:04:06 GMT 1
The reason that many have stated for not renewing/buying a ST (lack of squad investment), those problems are compounded further by not buying a ST. It's quite alarming how many fail to grasp that simple fact. You’d have to have a peanut for a brain not to understand that. A number of points though; 1) how many players wages does selling 10,000 season cards cover these days? 2) can I currently trust the club to spend my money wisely? Not on recent evidence. 3) the ONLY true way to show your displeasure at how the club has been run recently and is currently being run is to not renew. You can protest all you want but the only language Phil understands is that of cold, hard cash which is the only language any successful businessman understands. As a result, my money is staying put...for the time being at least.
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Post by nicovaesen on Apr 14, 2021 19:20:30 GMT 1
No. Unbroken since 1979, and sporadically had one before then from 1968. I'm finished with watching "live" now. Hoping like hell that Lincoln get promoted and I'll see Town at Sincil Bank once a year. Are you Lincoln based? Grantham born me sen
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 14, 2021 20:20:12 GMT 1
No. Unbroken since 1979, and sporadically had one before then from 1968. I'm finished with watching "live" now. Hoping like hell that Lincoln get promoted and I'll see Town at Sincil Bank once a year. Are you Lincoln based? Grantham born me sen Equidistant between Lincoln and Newark. Grantham Town looking a strong option for me in future.
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