boooothy
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Post by boooothy on Aug 4, 2021 9:04:53 GMT 1
Cant believe we gave a 2.5 year contract to a player with his injury record The whole episode, from the failed deadline signing saga to the eventual successful signing and his record regarding injuries, is one that I find very hard to come to terms with. I would be keen to know who originally instigated his signing and then drove it on after the first problem He’s not even a good player
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Post by boooothy on Aug 4, 2021 9:10:44 GMT 1
If only they were on £10 k. In Mbenza's case, any player being bought by a PL club for north of £10m is going to be on a huge wage. Even with the 40% drop after relegation, id be mazed if he wasn't getting £25k a week. Bacuna a bit less, maybe £15k a week? Im amazed that we triggered this extra years extension for either of them unless we had someone nailed on willing to take them. If we had and we let them go for free but with a sell on clause attached then it would have made perfect sense, but ( as it looks ) we didn't then thats a hell of a financial gamble. We could end up lumbered with these two for another year at a cost of another £2m blown on them! I’m amazed MBenza was given the extra year when we declined the likes of Depoitre. Isaac clearly has the world’s greatest agent and it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s played us again with fake rumours to trigger the extension.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 4, 2021 9:19:36 GMT 1
If only they were on £10 k. In Mbenza's case, any player being bought by a PL club for north of £10m is going to be on a huge wage. Even with the 40% drop after relegation, id be mazed if he wasn't getting £25k a week. Bacuna a bit less, maybe £15k a week? Im amazed that we triggered this extra years extension for either of them unless we had someone nailed on willing to take them. If we had and we let them go for free but with a sell on clause attached then it would have made perfect sense, but ( as it looks ) we didn't then thats a hell of a financial gamble. We could end up lumbered with these two for another year at a cost of another £2m blown on them! I’m amazed MBenza was given the extra year when we declined the likes of Depoitre. Isaac clearly has the world’s greatest agent and it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s played us again with fake rumours to trigger the extension. I'm amazed we signed him in the first place. Whoever was in charge of bringing him in needs a slap.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Aug 4, 2021 11:01:06 GMT 1
I’m amazed MBenza was given the extra year when we declined the likes of Depoitre. Isaac clearly has the world’s greatest agent and it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s played us again with fake rumours to trigger the extension. I'm amazed we signed him in the first place. Whoever was in charge of bringing him in needs a slap. …or £11m cash back
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 16:41:26 GMT 1
So in effect, he should n't go because you don't think he's good enough - if so why should the club make him our highest paid player 🤔 If you read the post I said I “ don’t think he’s ready” , surely you must be brighter than what your reply indicates 😉😉 Wow! What am I missing from 'but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier' - in effect, you don't think he's good enough at this time or maybe you have a deeper more intellectually cogent point to make?
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Post by keefer on Aug 4, 2021 17:49:17 GMT 1
The whole episode, from the failed deadline signing saga to the eventual successful signing and his record regarding injuries, is one that I find very hard to come to terms with. I would be keen to know who originally instigated his signing and then drove it on after the first problem He’s not even a good player The thing is though, we don't truly know if he is a good or bad player. He hasn't impressed in the few minutes he's played but some players need to have a run of games to get up to match sharpness. I don't think we can write him off totally but the signs aren't great
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Post by specialun on Aug 4, 2021 22:45:51 GMT 1
So neither close to being available then? Cant believe we gave a 2.5 year contract to a player with his injury record Can’t believe signed him full stop Failed fax should have been a blessing in disguise! Yet for some reason we couldn’t believe our luck when 4 months later nobody else had come in for the injury prone player who had struggled to get game time on loan in league 1…
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Post by nicovaesen on Aug 4, 2021 23:20:37 GMT 1
I'm amazed we signed him in the first place. Whoever was in charge of bringing him in needs a slap. …or £11m cash back Dean hoyles getting that
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 5, 2021 7:44:06 GMT 1
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Post by alexdire on Aug 5, 2021 8:30:22 GMT 1
Interesting, not the link. Who liked the post.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 5, 2021 9:03:33 GMT 1
Interesting, not the link. Who liked the post. DATM posters waiting for Maynard Blue...
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 5, 2021 9:13:37 GMT 1
no wonder they're trying to get the price down. They spent a shit load of money last season.
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Post by ruggedivy on Aug 5, 2021 9:24:44 GMT 1
Question is - will we reinvest any of the money received for LOB into the playing squad this window?
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 5, 2021 9:27:14 GMT 1
Question is - will we reinvest any of the money received for LOB into the playing squad this window? Maynardblue has already stated we have a replacement in the pipeline. I took this to mean a permanent signing with a fee.
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Post by ambryboy on Aug 5, 2021 9:38:17 GMT 1
Maybe we've offered a buy one get two free deal to offload Mbenza and Bacuna at the same time but they wouldn't nibble.
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Post by townrwe on Aug 5, 2021 9:41:49 GMT 1
Question is - will we reinvest any of the money received for LOB into the playing squad this window? Maynardblue has already stated we have a replacement in the pipeline. I took this to mean a permanent signing with a fee. Whoever the replacement is, it's further weakening of the team. Unless the money allows us to bring in a 20 goal striker, box to box midfielder and right midfield.... all at a level that makes them our best 3 players.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 5, 2021 10:06:20 GMT 1
Maynardblue has already stated we have a replacement in the pipeline. I took this to mean a permanent signing with a fee. Whoever the replacement is, it's further weakening of the team. Unless the money allows us to bring in a 20 goal striker, box to box midfielder and right midfield.... all at a level that makes them our best 3 players. Probably. But not necessarily. On a much bigger scale, sure, but look at Villa. Sell Grealish but bring in Ings, Ward-Prowse, Cantwell and Axel Tuanzebe (as is expected) - I'd argue that they'd be stronger for it. If we sold LOB for £10m but bring in 3 players in key positions, we're arguably stronger for it.
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Post by DutchTownFan on Aug 5, 2021 10:09:58 GMT 1
Whoever the replacement is, it's further weakening of the team. Unless the money allows us to bring in a 20 goal striker, box to box midfielder and right midfield.... all at a level that makes them our best 3 players. Probably. But not necessarily. On a much bigger scale, sure, but look at Villa. Sell Grealish but bring in Ings, Ward-Prowse, Cantwell and Axel Tuanzebe (as is expected) - I'd argue that they'd be stronger for it. If we sold LOB for £10m but bring in 3 players in key positions, we're arguably stronger for it. But this is DATM where we write off players before we've even signed them...!
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Post by dugnet on Aug 5, 2021 10:16:35 GMT 1
Whoever the replacement is, it's further weakening of the team. Unless the money allows us to bring in a 20 goal striker, box to box midfielder and right midfield.... all at a level that makes them our best 3 players. Probably. But not necessarily. On a much bigger scale, sure, but look at Villa. Sell Grealish but bring in Ings, Ward-Prowse, Cantwell and Axel Tuanzebe (as is expected) - I'd argue that they'd be stronger for it. If we sold LOB for £10m but bring in 3 players in key positions, we're arguably stronger for it. You are absolutely right in principle but I would have a doubt about our recruitment team. There have been a couple that look decent in the past 3 seasons, Karoma, Thomas, Pipa, but there are others that have been less so (I won't list them). We absolutely need to strengthen, I would argue even of LOB stays (which looks highly unlikely). By strengthen I really mean add quality, "bums off your seats players" if you like. If we fail to do so, and with everything that has happened in the past 3 years, the fans will have more than enough reason to question how the club is being run (by run I mean in terms of the team presented on the pitch). I think our experiences of the past 3 years have given us good reason to be a little sceptical. On the flip side there is potentially an opportunity to start to turn things round and slowly move forward again.
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Post by crux on Aug 5, 2021 10:17:27 GMT 1
Whoever the replacement is, it's further weakening of the team. Unless the money allows us to bring in a 20 goal striker, box to box midfielder and right midfield.... all at a level that makes them our best 3 players. Probably. But not necessarily. On a much bigger scale, sure, but look at Villa. Sell Grealish but bring in Ings, Ward-Prowse, Cantwell and Axel Tuanzebe (as is expected) - I'd argue that they'd be stronger for it. If we sold LOB for £10m but bring in 3 players in key positions, we're arguably stronger for it. That's a much better use of the money by Villa than Spurs made of the Bale money when they sold him for £85M.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Aug 5, 2021 10:22:14 GMT 1
Probably. But not necessarily. On a much bigger scale, sure, but look at Villa. Sell Grealish but bring in Ings, Ward-Prowse, Cantwell and Axel Tuanzebe (as is expected) - I'd argue that they'd be stronger for it. If we sold LOB for £10m but bring in 3 players in key positions, we're arguably stronger for it. You are absolutely right in principle but I would have a doubt about our recruitment team. There have been a couple that look decent in the past 3 seasons, Karoma, Thomas, Pipa, but there are others that have been less so (I won't list them). We absolutely need to strengthen, I would argue even of LOB stays (which looks highly unlikely). By strengthen I really mean add quality, "bums off your seats players" if you like. If we fail to do so, and with everything that has happened in the past 3 years, the fans will have more than enough reason to question how the club is being run (by run I mean in terms of the team presented on the pitch). I think our experiences of the past 3 years have given us good reason to be a little sceptical. On the flip side there is potentially an opportunity to start to turn things round and slowly move forward again. Totally agree - I've said this elsewhere - it's good business if we reinvest AND reinvest well. We've shown lately we're unlikely to reinvest and that if we do it'll be done poorly.
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Post by runner76 on Aug 5, 2021 13:42:42 GMT 1
You are absolutely right in principle but I would have a doubt about our recruitment team. There have been a couple that look decent in the past 3 seasons, Karoma, Thomas, Pipa, but there are others that have been less so (I won't list them). We absolutely need to strengthen, I would argue even of LOB stays (which looks highly unlikely). By strengthen I really mean add quality, "bums off your seats players" if you like. If we fail to do so, and with everything that has happened in the past 3 years, the fans will have more than enough reason to question how the club is being run (by run I mean in terms of the team presented on the pitch). I think our experiences of the past 3 years have given us good reason to be a little sceptical. On the flip side there is potentially an opportunity to start to turn things round and slowly move forward again. Totally agree - I've said this elsewhere - it's good business if we reinvest AND reinvest well. We've shown lately we're unlikely to reinvest and that if we do it'll be done poorly. that is the worry....and seemingly the fact. Saying that, LOB has been in the side the last few seasons and we have finished in a shite position. My gut feeling is that we will do better this season so unless he stays AND we have a blinder (top 6 possibility....) he will be off anyway so best to cash in I say (for player and club.........)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 17:04:13 GMT 1
Totally agree - I've said this elsewhere - it's good business if we reinvest AND reinvest well. We've shown lately we're unlikely to reinvest and that if we do it'll be done poorly. that is the worry....and seemingly the fact. Saying that, LOB has been in the side the last few seasons and we have finished in a shite position. My gut feeling is that we will do better this season so unless he stays AND we have a blinder (top 6 possibility....) he will be off anyway so best to cash in I say (for player and club.........) And.... he got relegated with Bradford in his other season ! Maybe he can go do the business with Leeds too
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Post by jqhtfc on Aug 5, 2021 17:27:53 GMT 1
No problem at all with O’Brien going like every football club in the world every player has their price it’s a business and if that price is met then good luck to the lad. My worry would be what we then bring in to replace the gap in the side he will obviously leave.
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 5, 2021 17:29:52 GMT 1
Maynardblue has already stated we have a replacement in the pipeline. I took this to mean a permanent signing with a fee. Whoever the replacement is, it's further weakening of the team. Unless the money allows us to bring in a 20 goal striker, box to box midfielder and right midfield.... all at a level that makes them our best 3 players. You might have said that when we sold Clayton,, or Butterfield. They were just as important to our midfield when we sold them as Obrien is, in fact probably more so. Following season we finished higher in both occasions.
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Post by terriers321 on Aug 5, 2021 17:32:17 GMT 1
Probably. But not necessarily. On a much bigger scale, sure, but look at Villa. Sell Grealish but bring in Ings, Ward-Prowse, Cantwell and Axel Tuanzebe (as is expected) - I'd argue that they'd be stronger for it. If we sold LOB for £10m but bring in 3 players in key positions, we're arguably stronger for it. But this is DATM where we write off players before we've even signed them...! And it's also Hudderfield town where we know full well if O'brien goes the money will not be reinvested in bringing in three decent players on a permanent basis.
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Post by dezzly on Aug 5, 2021 18:26:24 GMT 1
No problem at all with O’Brien going like every football club in the world every player has their price it’s a business and if that price is met then good luck to the lad. My worry would be what we then bring in to replace the gap in the side he will obviously leave. I fear the same!already light in there,lose your most influential best midfielder and don’t replace correctly your asking for trouble.I try to be positive snd take a step back and understand things normally but not sure I could if that happened.
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Post by cyberman on Aug 5, 2021 18:58:00 GMT 1
Whoever the replacement is, it's further weakening of the team. Unless the money allows us to bring in a 20 goal striker, box to box midfielder and right midfield.... all at a level that makes them our best 3 players. Probably. But not necessarily. On a much bigger scale, sure, but look at Villa. Sell Grealish but bring in Ings, Ward-Prowse, Cantwell and Axel Tuanzebe (as is expected) - I'd argue that they'd be stronger for it. If we sold LOB for £10m but bring in 3 players in key positions, we're arguably stronger for it. All depends who those players are wouldn't you think ? - if they are Sarr/Mbenzaesque quality then we will just have spaffed a load of money down the shitter yet again.....always have been the one who stuck with what they had rather than risk it further
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Aug 5, 2021 19:02:22 GMT 1
We won't reinvest nothing it will be a loanee or freebie to replace Obrien.
If we reinvested half of that 10 million I would be happy but we wont
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Post by Ross83 on Aug 5, 2021 19:12:04 GMT 1
We won't reinvest nothing it will be a loanee or freebie to replace Obrien. If we reinvested half of that 10 million I would be happy but we wont Or Scott High and bring in someone way past their best and on the cheap to plug a gap elsewhere.. Someone possibly seeking a contract to see his career out or a move back closer to home.
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