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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Aug 1, 2021 17:52:54 GMT 1
Quite a few people saying they’d prefer LOB to go to Burnley or Newcastle etc. IF he is going to go I’d prefer he went to Leeds.
Would you rather see him play in a Bielsa team or Dyche/Bruce? It’s a no brainer.
I don’t like Leeds fans any more than the next town fan but they are light years ahead of us atm and such I don’t feel the rivalry half as much as say 3-4 years ago.
Be interested to know what players may be involved in swap deal though.
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Post by Dan on Aug 1, 2021 18:00:23 GMT 1
Quite a few people saying they’d prefer LOB to go to Burnley or Newcastle etc. IF he is going to go I’d prefer he went to Leeds. Would you rather see him play in a Bielsa team or Dyche/Bruce? It’s a no brainer.
I don’t like Leeds fans any more than the next town fan but they are light years ahead of us atm and such I don’t feel the rivalry half as much as say 3-4 years ago. Be interested to know what players may be involved in swap deal though.  |
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 1, 2021 18:40:48 GMT 1
Or he could stay at Town... Come on Norwich Come on Burnley Come on anyone but Leeds Who he goes to in this window or the next is not going to effect us. If he goes to Leeds and Bielsa does to LOB as he did with Kalvin Phillips... we might be in for a hefty sell on fee. Ohh sorry - anyone but Leeds!!! If Leeds offer more than any other club then I don't give a damn if he goes to them. Press today suggesting that Burnley no longer interested anyway. Not sure if the sarcastic tone of my post came through? I agree 100%. |
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 1, 2021 18:59:52 GMT 1
The excuse that there's nothing we can do if Mbenza doesn't want to move is just ridiculous. The club have gambled that someone is willing to buy him, which apparently has happened, but they would be absolute morons to expect that Mbenza would just up sticks & go anywhere if he is not paid what we are stupid enough to be paying him. If he had owt about him, he'd have wanted a move when we were relegated but it looks like he's putting cash before a football career. The club will have fucked up royally if we are paying him another year to be sat on the sidelines, where he will be picking up "injuries" all season. Personally don’t think he’ll ever get a contract like he’s got with us and he’s entitled to sit it out for another 12 months. Big gamble by the club with both him and bacuna |
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 1, 2021 19:24:06 GMT 1
The excuse that there's nothing we can do if Mbenza doesn't want to move is just ridiculous. The club have gambled that someone is willing to buy him, which apparently has happened, but they would be absolute morons to expect that Mbenza would just up sticks & go anywhere if he is not paid what we are stupid enough to be paying him. If he had owt about him, he'd have wanted a move when we were relegated but it looks like he's putting cash before a football career. The club will have fucked up royally if we are paying him another year to be sat on the sidelines, where he will be picking up "injuries" all season. Personally don’t think he’ll ever get a contract like he’s got with us and he’s entitled to sit it out for another 12 months. Big gamble by the club with both him and bacuna He might do if he gets his head down and plays out of his skin for the next 10 months. Not sure he's got it in him though. |
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 1, 2021 19:28:34 GMT 1
Personally don’t think he’ll ever get a contract like he’s got with us and he’s entitled to sit it out for another 12 months. Big gamble by the club with both him and bacuna He might do if he gets his head down and plays out of his skin for the next 10 months. Not sure he's got it in him though. Yeah that’s sort of my point. How many chances is he going to get  Personally I’d like to see him gone ASAP as can bacuna. I like the look of the rest of the squad. The team sheet today was much better than I’d expected at the end of last season |
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 1, 2021 19:35:41 GMT 1
He might do if he gets his head down and plays out of his skin for the next 10 months. Not sure he's got it in him though. Yeah that’s sort of my point. How many chances is he going to get Personally I’d like to see him gone ASAP as can bacuna. I like the look of the rest of the squad. The team sheet today was much better than I’d expected at the end of last season At least we've got some experienced pro's as backup now. Injuries killed us last year. Which leads me to ask... How far are Rowe and Aarons off being available? |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Aug 1, 2021 19:40:22 GMT 1
If Leeds offer more than any other club then I don't give a damn if he goes to them. Press today suggesting that Burnley no longer interested anyway. I agree 100%. It didn't, sorry. Perhaps a  would have helped? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 19:53:57 GMT 1
Yeah that’s sort of my point. How many chances is he going to get Personally I’d like to see him gone ASAP as can bacuna. I like the look of the rest of the squad. The team sheet today was much better than I’d expected at the end of last season At least we've got some experienced pro's as backup now. Injuries killed us last year. Which leads me to ask... How far are Rowe and Aarons off being available? Aaron's hasn't trained for weeks Rowe not much either |
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Post by King Curtis on Aug 1, 2021 19:55:21 GMT 1
At least we've got some experienced pro's as backup now. Injuries killed us last year. Which leads me to ask... How far are Rowe and Aarons off being available? Aaron's hasn't trained for weeks Rowe not much either So neither close to being available then? |
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Post by arry11 on Aug 2, 2021 16:31:55 GMT 1
Just hope we don't leave our self short we need it sorting no last minute scramble's
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 2, 2021 18:47:17 GMT 1
Aaron's hasn't trained for weeks Rowe not much either So neither close to being available then? Cant believe we gave a 2.5 year contract to a player with his injury record |
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Post by keefer on Aug 2, 2021 19:06:11 GMT 1
So neither close to being available then? Cant believe we gave a 2.5 year contract to a player with his injury record The whole episode, from the failed deadline signing saga to the eventual successful signing and his record regarding injuries, is one that I find very hard to come to terms with. I would be keen to know who originally instigated his signing and then drove it on after the first problem |
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Post by portugalterrier on Aug 2, 2021 19:30:35 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo.
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 2, 2021 19:38:55 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo. But didn’t you know he’s rubbish and going backwards 😉 |
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Post by portugalterrier on Aug 2, 2021 19:45:07 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo. But didn’t you know he’s rubbish and going backwards 😉 I didn’t but having been frequently updated by “Bacuna s dad” on his many faults it is a surprise that some very good judges of a footballer seem to differ, a bit similar to Billing. Very convenient of some on here to “forget the truncated pre season, injuries” from early last season and base this as justification for getting rid, form is temporary, class is forever 😍 |
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Post by crux on Aug 2, 2021 20:45:40 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo. Someone alluded to the fact that he'd been offered a contract of around £12k+ a week, but wouldn't sign it. Apart from the soon to be departed (hopefully 🤞) Mbenza and possibly Bacuna, this would take him into the top end of our wages. He would get two or three times that amount from any PL team taking a punt on him. We can't afford to offer him anywhere near that as he's not that much better than everyone else. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 21:03:23 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo. lets get in the real world shall we? if town were to do as you suggest it would be nowhere near what leeds could offer as for your opinion he isn't ready for the prem yet you may be right or wrong but any player with ambition would certainly want to give it a go and I'm sure o brian would . but at this moment he is a town player |
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Post by alexdire on Aug 2, 2021 21:53:03 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo. We aren't going anywhere. He has a chance to. We also need to keep selling players to generate revenue. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 2, 2021 23:52:21 GMT 1
Would be nice but can't see it. Personally think more likely to be- Mbenza-- £0 with sell ons Bacuna ---£0 with sell ons Obrien-- £ 5m with sell ons So Bacuna with 10 goals & 8 assists over the last two seasons from CM, RM, RB in the Championship has no resale value? Mbenza with 5 goals & 7 assists last season has zero resale value either? Give over! Have you seen Mbenza play? We might have made the mistake of valuing him by stats when we bought him but are we lucky enough that some one else will make the same mistake? But either way, ignoring that neither are very good ( and Mbenza is bloody useless despite what the stats say ) they are players with less than a year left on their contract who are both on extremely large wages. That does really mean they have little to no resale value... or it should unless we're very lucky. I think our plan was that we'd get someone to take them off our hands and include a big sell on fee just on the off chance they came good at their next club. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Aug 3, 2021 7:00:03 GMT 1
So Bacuna with 10 goals & 8 assists over the last two seasons from CM, RM, RB in the Championship has no resale value? Mbenza with 5 goals & 7 assists last season has zero resale value either? Give over! Have you seen Mbenza play? We might have made the mistake of valuing him by stats when we bought him but are we lucky enough that some one else will make the same mistake? But either way, ignoring that neither are very good ( and Mbenza is bloody useless despite what the stats say ) they are players with less than a year left on their contract who are both on extremely large wages. That does really mean they have little to no resale value... or it should unless we're very lucky. I think our plan was that we'd get someone to take them off our hands and include a big sell on fee just on the off chance they came good at their next club. Given the wages they’re on I think that we could get a small fee for Bacuna but it wouldn’t be worth the risk we’ve made in extending his contract. I’d be surprised if we could give Mbenza away without having to contribute to his wages at his new club for this season. If they’re on £10k each then their extensions have already cost us £100k since June 30th. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Aug 3, 2021 12:45:39 GMT 1
If only they were on £10 k.
In Mbenza's case, any player being bought by a PL club for north of £10m is going to be on a huge wage.
Even with the 40% drop after relegation, id be mazed if he wasn't getting £25k a week.
Bacuna a bit less, maybe £15k a week?
Im amazed that we triggered this extra years extension for either of them unless we had someone nailed on willing to take them.
If we had and we let them go for free but with a sell on clause attached then it would have made perfect sense, but ( as it looks ) we didn't then thats a hell of a financial gamble.
We could end up lumbered with these two for another year at a cost of another £2m blown on them!
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Aug 3, 2021 15:17:24 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo. We aren't going anywhere. He has a chance to. We also need to keep selling players to generate revenue.but on our terms. Why sell a player cheap? |
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Post by Skint Terriers on Aug 3, 2021 16:40:13 GMT 1
There are some Leeds fans that seem to think this is a done deal and has been for a while but the announcement is being held off.
Probably bollocks but I've seen it said more than once
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Aug 3, 2021 16:53:08 GMT 1
There are some Leeds fans that seem to think this is a done deal and has been for a while but the announcement is being held off. Probably bollocks but I've seen it said more than once Can’t have been a done deal on Sunday otherwise he wouldn’t have played. |
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Post by crux on Aug 3, 2021 16:56:42 GMT 1
There are some Leeds fans that seem to think this is a done deal and has been for a while but the announcement is being held off. Probably bollocks but I've seen it said more than once Can’t have been a done deal on Sunday otherwise he wouldn’t have played. Especially as O'Brien would be more likely to play for Leeds in the EFL Cup than in the PL, at least at the start of the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 16:56:43 GMT 1
We aren't going anywhere. He has a chance to. We also need to keep selling players to generate revenue.but on our terms. Why sell a player cheap? That I would think is the basis of any negotiation that may be takin place given the player is in the last year with town having a option to extend a further year there lies the problem for town. Leeds know town won't want a situation i.e. Baccuna emendation etc so unless Louis sights a new contract which is unlikely town wil have to re think there value especially if the player pushes for a move but I am sure town will not sell him cheap and hold out as long as possible for a good deal. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 3, 2021 21:30:12 GMT 1
LOB to Leeds ? Theyve probably got players of similar ability in their squad, so i doubt they would need to part with more than a few million and that in several installments. I dont think he will replace Phillips.  They probably know we are keen for some funds so even a few million helps. If you were a Premier League club how much would you pay for a medium quality squad player? If I remember correctly, when we were a premier league club we spent 5 8 figure sums on players that weren't fit to scrape shit off o'Brien's boots. And o'Brien was in the youth team in those days. (edited for typo) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 21:49:02 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo. So in effect, he should n't go because you don't think he's good enough - if so why should the club make him our highest paid player 🤔 |
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Post by portugalterrier on Aug 3, 2021 22:15:24 GMT 1
If the club sells OB in the next couple of seasons it will be, one of the clubs biggest mistakes, he should be offered a contract making him the highest paid player we have. I am well aware that clubs really can’t stop players leaving but at this stage of his career he is just not ready for the Premier, imo. So in effect, he should n't go because you don't think he's good enough - if so why should the club make him our highest paid player 🤔 If you read the post I said I “ don’t think he’s ready” , surely you must be brighter than what your reply indicates 😉😉 |
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Personally I’d like to see him gone ASAP as can bacuna. 
would have helped?
They probably know we are keen for some funds so even a few million helps.