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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Oct 11, 2021 18:55:29 GMT 1
How can they appeal it. Every other club in country had to deal with covid. And no one else is going into administration and blaming covid Spurious appeal; should dock them a further 12 points for wasting time.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Oct 11, 2021 19:08:20 GMT 1
It’s possibly a tactic to help influence the EFL into reducing or even dropping the rumoured additional nine point deduction. It’ll cost something to appeal, so, having made a number of staff redundant, the administrators must be confident that spending this money must be the right thing for WRDCFC.
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 11, 2021 19:31:04 GMT 1
So Mel Morris is a shyster ! He has personally lost over 200 million trying to get the team he has always supported into the PL-he made some bad calls but ultimately did put his money where his mouth is-what has happened over the last two years is simply him trying any route to survive the club -The very eloquent Notts Forest businessman that spoke at the White Rose after our defeat said it was in nobody’s interests what has happened at Derby and he really wanted them to survive and thrive as it was the best call for football in that area Yes it’s all bonkers in hindsight but right now I believe Town are making sensible sustainable decisions that in the medium term will be the right call Yes he's a shyster because he knew full well he was breaching the rules, hence the farcical delay posting Derby's accounts. Don't shed a tear for Morris, it's the small local businesses who lose out in these situations, the one's who can usually least afford it.
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Post by softboy on Oct 11, 2021 19:55:39 GMT 1
I expected the Administrators would appeal, not because they think they can win their case but because it is their job to make a club an attractive proposition to potential investors and if by fluke they do get the points back then it will have been worth their while.
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Oct 11, 2021 20:11:14 GMT 1
So Mel Morris is a shyster ! He has personally lost over 200 million trying to get the team he has always supported into the PL-he made some bad calls but ultimately did put his money where his mouth is-what has happened over the last two years is simply him trying any route to survive the club -The very eloquent Notts Forest businessman that spoke at the White Rose after our defeat said it was in nobody’s interests what has happened at Derby and he really wanted them to survive and thrive as it was the best call for football in that area Yes it’s all bonkers in hindsight but right now I believe Town are making sensible sustainable decisions that in the medium term will be the right call “Spent over 200 million trying to get his team to the Pemier League.” That is EXACTLY what is wrong. To the detriment of fans of teams like Town. IE you and me. Let them rot in the lower divisions for eternity.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Oct 12, 2021 8:36:15 GMT 1
Why they can claim COVID as exceptional circumstances when every other club had just the same problems to deal with is ridiculous. I will be really pissed off if their appeal is successful in any way.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Oct 12, 2021 8:46:56 GMT 1
How can they appeal it. Every other club in country had to deal with covid. And no one else is going into administration and blaming covid Spurious appeal; should dock them a further 12 points for wasting time. Agree, but the 12 points should be docked the following season, whichever division they are in. So another survival fight and a frivolous appeal could easily see a club drop to League 2.
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Post by nicovaesen on Oct 12, 2021 10:12:42 GMT 1
Come on guys derby are massive
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Post by orinoco on Oct 13, 2021 15:30:27 GMT 1
Come on guys derby are massive Saw an article today, in which derby could incur another 3 point deduction, if they fail to pay wages.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Oct 13, 2021 15:53:00 GMT 1
One can only hope
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Post by westislandterrier on Oct 13, 2021 16:01:21 GMT 1
How can they appeal it. Every other club in country had to deal with covid. And no one else is going into administration and blaming covid They are clearly trying every trick in the book to create a “siege mentality” whereby they whip their fans and players into a frenzy that the whole world and the dogs in the street are against them and hoping for a reaction from the players and a financial reaction from the support and a ‘close ranks’ type of mentality to ensue... This actually happened up here with Rangers’ administration and subsequent liquidation a few months later.. To an extent it worked as they sold out a 50,000 capacity stadium week in week out as they started out as a new club in the lowest senior division in Tier 4 (then division three, now League 2) They blamed, anyone and everyone - the media, the police, the justice system, the courts, all the other clubs that voted them down, the SFA, the SPFL (or the SPL and SFL as it was then) Everyone got it both barrels - apart from the people that should have - their board of directors and chairman David Murray who spent social taxes on working capital (ie top players) to the detriment of honest clubs up and down the whole of Scotland. Eventually after a helluva long time, the penny finally dropped and they turned on Murray and his fellow spivs on the board, and I suspect Morris is trying a similar ‘everybody hates us’ approach at Derby to see how it goes... I’ve not one tiny iota of sympathy for Derby, or The Wendy’s or The Rangers’ of this world any more then I had when Town went into administration in 2003, the difference is we took our medicine in a far more dignified manner, playing with kids and gaining a truly miraculous promotion in 2004 ! That’s the difference - Huddersfield Town are a class club, these mentioned above, amongst a few others, are absolutely not !
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 13, 2021 17:21:19 GMT 1
How can they appeal it. Every other club in country had to deal with covid. And no one else is going into administration and blaming covid They are clearly trying every trick in the book to create a “siege mentality” whereby they whip their fans and players into a frenzy that the whole world and the dogs in the street are against them and hoping for a reaction from the players and a financial reaction from the support and a ‘close ranks’ type of mentality to ensue... This actually happened up here with Rangers’ administration and subsequent liquidation a few months later.. To an extent it worked as they sold out a 50,000 capacity stadium week in week out as they started out as a new club in the lowest senior division in Tier 4 (then division three, now League 2) They blamed, anyone and everyone - the media, the police, the justice system, the courts, all the other clubs that voted them down, the SFA, the SPFL (or the SPL and SFL as it was then) Everyone got it both barrels - apart from the people that should have - their board of directors and chairman David Murray who spent social taxes on working capital (ie top players) to the detriment of honest clubs up and down the whole of Scotland. Eventually after a helluva long time, the penny finally dropped and they turned on Murray and his fellow spivs on the board, and I suspect Morris is trying a similar ‘everybody hates us’ approach at Derby to see how it goes... I’ve not one tiny iota of sympathy for Derby, or The Wendy’s or The Rangers’ of this world any more then I had when Town went into administration in 2003, the difference is we took our medicine in a far more dignified manner, playing with kids and gaining a truly miraculous promotion in 2004 ! That’s the difference - Huddersfield Town are a class club, these mentioned above, amongst a few others, are absolutely not ! Great post again Westie…
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 17:44:21 GMT 1
They are clearly trying every trick in the book to create a “siege mentality” whereby they whip their fans and players into a frenzy that the whole world and the dogs in the street are against them and hoping for a reaction from the players and a financial reaction from the support and a ‘close ranks’ type of mentality to ensue... This actually happened up here with Rangers’ administration and subsequent liquidation a few months later.. To an extent it worked as they sold out a 50,000 capacity stadium week in week out as they started out as a new club in the lowest senior division in Tier 4 (then division three, now League 2) They blamed, anyone and everyone - the media, the police, the justice system, the courts, all the other clubs that voted them down, the SFA, the SPFL (or the SPL and SFL as it was then) Everyone got it both barrels - apart from the people that should have - their board of directors and chairman David Murray who spent social taxes on working capital (ie top players) to the detriment of honest clubs up and down the whole of Scotland. Eventually after a helluva long time, the penny finally dropped and they turned on Murray and his fellow spivs on the board, and I suspect Morris is trying a similar ‘everybody hates us’ approach at Derby to see how it goes... I’ve not one tiny iota of sympathy for Derby, or The Wendy’s or The Rangers’ of this world any more then I had when Town went into administration in 2003, the difference is we took our medicine in a far more dignified manner, playing with kids and gaining a truly miraculous promotion in 2004 ! That’s the difference - Huddersfield Town are a class club, these mentioned above, amongst a few others, are absolutely not ! Great post again Westie… Agree town acted with dignity derby have not but anything could happen yet
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 13, 2021 19:03:52 GMT 1
Agree town acted with dignity derby have not but anything could happen yet I think dignity has been a distant and seldom exercised quality in football when picking Rooney as manager it can't have been a consideration
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Post by griffa on Oct 13, 2021 20:50:31 GMT 1
Come on guys derby are massive Nico, there's a word missing from your post.......... TOSSERS!
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Post by frankslegs on Oct 14, 2021 11:28:04 GMT 1
So Mel Morris is a shyster ! He has personally lost over 200 million trying to get the team he has always supported into the PL-he made some bad calls but ultimately did put his money where his mouth is-what has happened over the last two years is simply him trying any route to survive the club -The very eloquent Notts Forest businessman that spoke at the White Rose after our defeat said it was in nobody’s interests what has happened at Derby and he really wanted them to survive and thrive as it was the best call for football in that area Yes it’s all bonkers in hindsight but right now I believe Town are making sensible sustainable decisions that in the medium term will be the right call “Spent over 200 million trying to get his team to the Pemier League.” That is EXACTLY what is wrong. To the detriment of fans of teams like Town. IE you and me. Let them rot in the lower divisions for eternity.
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Post by frankslegs on Oct 14, 2021 11:31:00 GMT 1
Thought we had a Chairman who spent 15 million a year to get us out of League One -and I’m sure if I check all your posts you thought he Dean a good chairman and not a shyster
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Post by softboy on Oct 14, 2021 11:49:41 GMT 1
Don't think Dean Hoyle was anywhere near putting us into Administration (12 points), breaching FFP (possibly 12 points, 3 deferred). And possible other points deductions along the line. Morris gambled on getting Derby into the PL and failed, like a lot of others I agree but he has left the club in a complete mess. His company own the ground. We all have different opinions of Dean Hoyle but to compare him with Morris (who is a naive businessman at best) is ridiculous.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 14, 2021 12:05:11 GMT 1
What did Morris do before making a load of cash off Candy Crush?
Was he an astute businessman or just land lucky with such a popular game?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Oct 14, 2021 12:48:16 GMT 1
Thought we had a Chairman who spent 15 million a year to get us out of League One -and I’m sure if I check all your posts you thought he Dean a good chairman and not a shyster but all done within FFP rules.
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 14, 2021 13:27:14 GMT 1
Thought we had a Chairman who spent 15 million a year to get us out of League One -and I’m sure if I check all your posts you thought he Dean a good chairman and not a shyster but all done within FFP rules. And all debt was in director loans to him. Until the premier league prices meant the loans were substantially higher than the 5m a year he had been prepared to lose if necessary. There was no dodgy ground sales or accounting practice to try and hide debt and overspending. BUT...plenty on here giving Phil the old potless tag and criticising the lack of spending money we didn't have and couldn't afford would no doubt have been ecstatic if Mel had been our chairman.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 14, 2021 13:29:43 GMT 1
but all done within FFP rules. And all debt was in director loans to him. Until the premier league prices meant the loans were substantially higher than the 5m a year he had been prepared to lose if necessary. There was no dodgy ground sales or accounting practice to try and hide debt and overspending. BUT...plenty on here giving Phil the old spotless tag and criticising the lack of spending money we didn't have and couldn't afford would no doubt have been ecstatic if Mel had been our chairman. no
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 11:11:40 GMT 1
How can they appeal it. Every other club in country had to deal with covid. And no one else is going into administration and blaming covid c when you go into administration it's a matter of course to appeal the points deduction they may get it reduced who knows but I doubt it
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Post by tockyterrier on Oct 15, 2021 13:38:42 GMT 1
How can they appeal it. Every other club in country had to deal with covid. And no one else is going into administration and blaming covid c when you go into administration it's a matter of course to appeal the points deduction they may get it reduced who knows but I doubt it Price of football podcast put it this way. 400k costs if they lose appeal. But if they win and it helps them stay up it increases next years income by around £8m and makes them more attractive to buy So from a gambling point of view it's good odds.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 15, 2021 16:27:37 GMT 1
c when you go into administration it's a matter of course to appeal the points deduction they may get it reduced who knows but I doubt it Price of football podcast put it this way. 400k costs if they lose appeal. But if they win and it helps them stay up it increases next years income by around £8m and makes them more attractive to buy So from a gambling point of view it's good odds. There should be a penalty for frivolous appeals day penalty plus 50%
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Post by crux on Oct 15, 2021 16:40:21 GMT 1
c when you go into administration it's a matter of course to appeal the points deduction they may get it reduced who knows but I doubt it Price of football podcast put it this way. 400k costs if they lose appeal. But if they win and it helps them stay up it increases next years income by around £8m and makes them more attractive to buy So from a gambling point of view it's good odds. But when they lose, which they must do, it just adds another £400K to the football debts that have to be paid - unless someone is underwriting the appeal.
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Post by softboy on Oct 15, 2021 19:50:25 GMT 1
and as football debts come first it just means that if they fail with the appeal it potential means the unsecured smaller creditors will have £400k less to share.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Oct 15, 2021 20:15:42 GMT 1
c when you go into administration it's a matter of course to appeal the points deduction they may get it reduced who knows but I doubt it Price of football podcast put it this way. 400k costs if they lose appeal. But if they win and it helps them stay up it increases next years income by around £8m and makes them more attractive to buy So from a gambling point of view it's good odds. It’s only good odds if they have more than a 5% chance of winning the appeal. I can’t see how they have any chance of winning it.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 15, 2021 22:12:47 GMT 1
Price of football podcast put it this way. 400k costs if they lose appeal. But if they win and it helps them stay up it increases next years income by around £8m and makes them more attractive to buy So from a gambling point of view it's good odds. It’s only good odds if they have more than a 5% chance of winning the appeal. I can’t see how they have any chance of winning it. The rationale is the bloke lost 90% of his wage at the bookies the other 10% can't make it worse
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Post by ilsonterrier on Oct 16, 2021 14:14:29 GMT 1
Derby, once again, taking the p*** and being allowed to bend the rules. Restricted to a squad of 23 but then allowed to sign 2 more players when Kazim-Richards and another were "long term injured". Guess what? Kazim-Richards on the bench today, so they now have a squad of 24.
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