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Post by midlander on Jun 30, 2022 6:57:17 GMT 1
I'm not having a rant here, I love toff, the passion he has towards the club and fans is amazing but he obviously wants more money which he deserves but we should of put a contract out for him after January but footballers love money more than the club/fansš¤·āāļø. As well I think sell him and get the money as well as the pipa money and get some quality players through that door He has had a contract in front of him for months. He just hasn't signed it. Clear that he has always been angling for a move which is his prerogative. Personally do not think he is PL standard as his positioning can be very suspect defensively. However, positioning can always be taught and improved, so good luck to him if he does go.
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Post by terriers2000 on Jun 30, 2022 7:07:04 GMT 1
Ā£5-8 million for him ?
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Post by buckers on Jun 30, 2022 7:13:02 GMT 1
Be made up if we got that for him, but with 12 months left on his contract I canāt see forest paying that.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jun 30, 2022 7:13:33 GMT 1
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 30, 2022 7:22:58 GMT 1
Didnāt Malone cost us Ā£3.5m plus add-ons? (Add ons that were no doubt cashed in because we stayed up)Ā£1.5m is not his value, glad you arenāt in charge of the deal. Toff is in his prime, scoring and assisting. Thought we sold Smith to Stoke for close to Ā£5m? (Edit: checked, it was Ā£4m) We should be looking for Ā£4m-Ā£5m with add ons at a minimum.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jun 30, 2022 7:41:07 GMT 1
Forest are under pressure and struggling to add players. They are also cash rich. Iād be looking for 10m and then settle for Ā£8m. His late season form was excellent.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Jun 30, 2022 8:05:04 GMT 1
I really like Toff but if the fee is right we should definitely cash in. Its clear he's not going to sign a new contract here so let's splash on a young promising replacement and get on with it
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Post by dm on Jun 30, 2022 8:08:53 GMT 1
Why play down his value? Is it because he's in the final year of his contact? With that in mind, I'd still be saying Ā£4m at least. I never understand why Town fans would see key players leave for far less than what we should be asking. Other clubs hold out for a better deal.
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Post by jqhtfc on Jun 30, 2022 8:20:13 GMT 1
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Post by buckers on Jun 30, 2022 8:27:14 GMT 1
I really like Toff but if the fee is right we should definitely cash in. Its clear he's not going to sign a new contract here so let's splash on a young promising replacement and get on with it Makes you wonder why though? From what Iām told heās settled, kids play in local teams. No one in the right minds would decry him wanting to play in the top flight. Even so why not sign a new (Iām guessing) more lucrative contract until someone comes in for you? Like OāBrien and Thomas have. Just seems strange.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 30, 2022 8:32:33 GMT 1
I really like Toff but if the fee is right we should definitely cash in. Its clear he's not going to sign a new contract here so let's splash on a young promising replacement and get on with it Makes you wonder why though? From what Iām told heās settled, kids play in local teams. No one in the right minds would decry him wanting to play in the top flight. Even so why not sign a new (Iām guessing) more lucrative contract until someone comes in for you? Like OāBrien and Thomas have. Just seems strange. Because then the buying club pays more on the fee which effects the amount they give to the player . Toffolo has options now , which includes running down his contract to zero and getting the maximum back for himself
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 30, 2022 8:35:41 GMT 1
If we take Ā£1.5m for Toffolo we want our heads checking. We paid Ā£500k for him and thereāll be a sell on fee to Lincoln.
Best left back in the division so Iād be telling them the price is Ā£10m. Forest without their loanees from last season will finish on single digits so theyāll be desperate to get players in, Colback at left back was a weak point in the championship. His tactics of kicking players when they beat him will get him a yellow every match.
Itās not my money but I think weād be better off with Toffolo for a season than losing him and clearing a few hundred grand on him. Thatās what Iād definitely be telling Forest anyway, see if they blink first.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Jun 30, 2022 8:41:01 GMT 1
Absolutely. Luckily I canāt remember Hoyle selling anyone cheap, so we should do alright out of it. If he wonāt re-sign, this could work out best for all parties.
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Post by ashfieldterrier on Jun 30, 2022 8:44:19 GMT 1
Iām my opinion if spence is supposedly Ā£20 mil then Toff has to be at least Ā£8 mil, just applying my simple logic??
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Post by cyberman on Jun 30, 2022 8:45:16 GMT 1
He is calling the clubs bluff and has three aces in his hand. Hoping that someone will come in with an offer (that will be lower than Town want , swirl around and be upped to meet valuations "in the middle" - "Undisclosed fee is what fans will be told" - or he waits , plays and then leaves for nowt. Either way he is in control. Modern football is all about money - loyalty is determined how much the bank balance shows at the end of the month. Long gone are the days where a player is a 1 club man (despite better offers). The usual guff about "its a short career da de daa dee da" is a load of bollocks as players at this level will earn more in a month than most of the fans earn in a year. We live in a money driven society and if/when he offered more cash he will be off. The test for this will be if a team like Norwich or Burnley or Watford come in for him - same league but offer him another 20k a week. Lets see what happens then
For me I would rather have a less talented player brought in who gives 100% every game and runs his balls off because he actually wants to play for the club than allow a player to hold us to ransom on the hope he will be off to better things. Eiting as another example. Toffs is a good player but he can and will be replaced by someone else. Recent Bromby aquisitions have been good and who's t say we won't end up with a PL starlet in that position much as we did with Colwill last season.
In nutshell he needs to show some loyalty or fuck off and seek his fortunes elsewhere. Lets hope the grass on his playing surface really is greener if he does.
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Post by jqhtfc on Jun 30, 2022 8:46:36 GMT 1
Iām my opinion if spence is supposedly Ā£20 mil then Toff has to be at least Ā£8 mil, just applying my simple logic?? Itās not what I think heās worth but reality is heās in last year and doesnāt look like heāll be signing a new contract so his price will be a lot lower or heāll walk for nothing at the end of next year.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jun 30, 2022 8:53:30 GMT 1
Why play down his value? Is it because he's in the final year of his contact? With that in mind, I'd still be saying Ā£4m at least. I never understand why Town fans would see key players leave for far less than what we should be asking. Other clubs hold out for a better deal. I donāt think thatās what heās worth to us but I think itās what weāll get. He wants away and has 1 year left, we arenāt going to get close to his real value which is probably around 4 million.
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Post by H6dds on Jun 30, 2022 8:54:19 GMT 1
I think the market value for the best fullbacks in the championship is somewhere around 8-10m. Only PL clubs would pay that for a fullback in the championship, which leaves 20 potential buyers, or more likely about 10.
The highest probability is that he will be someoneās backup option (or competing for first choice), he is soon 27 though, so he isnāt really one for the future at the same time as he has no previous experience of PL football. He is also in his final year of his contract and not hyped up by media or quick like Spence for example.
Right now Forrest seems to be the only alternative according to media. This asks the question, how much is one more year of Toffolo worth to us? Would it be worth more to have him around than getting say 2m?
Iād say anywhere between 4-5m and it would be hard to turn down.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 30, 2022 8:55:56 GMT 1
If we sell him for Ā£1m we may as well give up.
Didnāt we pay around that as a loan fee for ESR?
Would we pay Ā£1m to have the best LB in the division, settled and raring to prove a point, for the whole campaign? If the answer is ānoā then it says a huge amount about the level of ambition we have.
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Post by Uddersfield on Jun 30, 2022 8:57:39 GMT 1
I'd be happy with Ā£5m. Good player who has built a good relationship with fans and the club so would wish him the best if it gets done.
However, can be suspect positionally so has the potential to struggle in the Prem. Especially in a team where I don't see much hope for them competing.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 30, 2022 9:01:30 GMT 1
He is calling the clubs bluff and has three aces in his hand. Hoping that someone will come in with an offer (that will be lower than Town want , swirl around and be upped to meet valuations "in the middle" - "Undisclosed fee is what fans will be told" - or he waits , plays and then leaves for nowt. Either way he is in control. Modern football is all about money - loyalty is determined how much the bank balance shows at the end of the month. Long gone are the days where a player is a 1 club man (despite better offers). The usual guff about "its a short career da de daa dee da" is a load of bollocks as players at this level will earn more in a month than most of the fans earn in a year. We live in a money driven society and if/when he offered more cash he will be off. The test for this will be if a team like Norwich or Burnley or Watford come in for him - same league but offer him another 20k a week. Lets see what happens then For me I would rather have a less talented player brought in who gives 100% every game and runs his balls off because he actually wants to play for the club than allow a player to hold us to ransom on the hope he will be off to better things. Eiting as another example. Toffs is a good player but he can and will be replaced by someone else. Recent Bromby aquisitions have been good and who's t say we won't end up with a PL starlet in that position much as we did with Colwill last season. In nutshell he needs to show some loyalty or fuck off and seek his fortunes elsewhere. Lets hope the grass on his playing surface really is greener if he does. Toff owes us nothing apart from maximum effort when training and playing. He's done that and more throughout his time here, consummate professional who's always been trying to improve himself, clearly well behaved and looks after himself off the pitch, good and mature personality to have in the squad as well. I think if he does run his contract down that will continue as that's what he's like. It's a short career, he was playing in lower leagues until 25 and has a young family to support. So if he leaves this window and it's Forest I'll be fuming a bit as a fan but will understand it as a footballing career move. If it's a richer team in the same league I'll understand that as well from a money point of view. Must be the right fee though, for a player with a year left we don't want him to go for nothing, so 2-3m will do for me. It would be a massive shame though don't get me wrong
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Jun 30, 2022 9:13:36 GMT 1
I really like Toff but if the fee is right we should definitely cash in. Its clear he's not going to sign a new contract here so let's splash on a young promising replacement and get on with it Makes you wonder why though? From what Iām told heās settled, kids play in local teams. No one in the right minds would decry him wanting to play in the top flight. Even so why not sign a new (Iām guessing) more lucrative contract until someone comes in for you? Like OāBrien and Thomas have. Just seems strange. He is about to turn 27 which means that unless we get promoted this is probably his last big contract and also last chance to play in the premierleague. I know that he would be offered a decent wage here but Forest could more than double his wages and it would set him and his family up for life. I would completely understand why he wants to move.
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Post by Big Ern on Jun 30, 2022 9:16:47 GMT 1
I have anticipated him leaving all summer considering he seeks unwilli to sign a new contract. We should get a good fee for him irrespective of if he has a year length or not.
My issue is that Ruffels can NOT step up into Toffs place. From watching him play his positioning is terrible and he doesn't look anywhere near as confident on the ball. If Toffs goes we need ro replace him with better than Ruffels in my opinion as that would be a drastic step back.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 30, 2022 9:40:36 GMT 1
Iām my opinion if spence is supposedly Ā£20 mil then Toff has to be at least Ā£8 mil, just applying my simple logic?? Itās not what I think heās worth but reality is heās in last year and doesnāt look like heāll be signing a new contract so his price will be a lot lower or heāll walk for nothing at the end of next year. 1-2m is walking for nothing. The lowest buy in the premier league so far is Ā£3m. Calvin Ramsay signed at Liverpool for Ā£4.4m plus add ons (deal could be worth Ā£8m). When Grant left, a lot of people were saying take Ā£7-10m. We got Ā£15m. There is a core of people in here who donāt know value, I like your posts normally and you write a lot of sense, but I believe you have erred substantially here.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 30, 2022 9:42:55 GMT 1
Itās not what I think heās worth but reality is heās in last year and doesnāt look like heāll be signing a new contract so his price will be a lot lower or heāll walk for nothing at the end of next year. 1-2m is walking for nothing. The lowest buy in the premier league so far is Ā£3m. Calvin Ramsay signed at Liverpool for Ā£4.4m plus add ons (deal could be worth Ā£8m). When Grant left, a lot of people were saying take Ā£7-10m. We got Ā£15m. There is a core of people in here who donāt know value, I like your posts normally and you write a lot of sense, but I believe you have erred substantially here. But he's right in terms of transfer value being inversely proportionate to remaining length of contract
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 30, 2022 9:49:43 GMT 1
We paid Ā£500k when we signed him from Lincoln - at that time it was late January and he was out of contract at the end of that season and had only played half a season in League One
Now he's got 1 year on his deal and is a proven top Championship player. Given the PL price premium we should be looking for Ā£2.5m ish (noting a few million is nothing for a PL team and even Town punted Ā£1.8m on Sabiri)
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Post by boooothy on Jun 30, 2022 9:53:14 GMT 1
Iād of valued him at 2 million as it stands but that was assuming a Championship club was the buyer. I didnāt think a Premier League club would be interested. Championship clubs donāt spend big on left backs.
If they are and itās Forest iād at least double the figure.
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Post by crux on Jun 30, 2022 10:04:45 GMT 1
I have anticipated him leaving all summer considering he seeks unwilli to sign a new contract. We should get a good fee for him irrespective of if he has a year length or not. My issue is that Ruffels can NOT step up into Toffs place. From watching him play his positioning is terrible and he doesn't look anywhere near as confident on the ball. If Toffs goes we need ro replace him with better than Ruffels in my opinion as that would be a drastic step back. Depends on which of the very few Ruffels games you watched. He's looked both better and worse than Toffolo, but not played enough at this level to make a proper judgement. Ollie Turton was written off by many early on last season, but he proved himself at this level. There's no reason why Ruffels couldn't do the same.
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Post by dezzly on Jun 30, 2022 10:06:27 GMT 1
The only thing that potentially knocks the value down is the contract situation.Clubs will know that if we want too much they will defo get him for less in January or for free in the summer of next year
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Post by incognito on Jun 30, 2022 10:11:13 GMT 1
I really like Toff but if the fee is right we should definitely cash in. Its clear he's not going to sign a new contract here so let's splash on a young promising replacement and get on with it Makes you wonder why though? From what Iām told heās settled, kids play in local teams. No one in the right minds would decry him wanting to play in the top flight. Even so why not sign a new (Iām guessing) more lucrative contract until someone comes in for you? Like OāBrien and Thomas have. Just seems strange. The salary escalation for Thomas and O'Brien will have been transformative to be fair. Thomas won't have be far off quadrupling his original Ā£2.5k/week he supposedly came in on, and LOB was still on the contract he signed in his late teens before he went off to Bradford. In their situations, signing a new deal removed the worst case scenario of playing out multiple seasons on relative peanuts, while not really diminishing the likelihood or profitability of any future move.
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