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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 19, 2021 18:34:06 GMT 1
he's talking about not owing anyone anything money wise. maybe the paying dean off rumour is true.
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Post by impact on May 19, 2021 18:43:56 GMT 1
He said he made the decision to take the hit in these 2 seasons to start afresh from a lower cost base.
If he'd communicated that with the fans there may have been some understanding. Instead we got promised exciting signings that rarely happened whilst selling our better players.
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Post by dezzly on May 19, 2021 18:44:54 GMT 1
Do we need a right back and a left back? Be backup options won’t they what with us releasing duhaney and jaden brown
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Post by buckers on May 19, 2021 18:46:14 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. Do the bald blokes share the beard?
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 19, 2021 18:49:50 GMT 1
He said he made the decision to take the hit in these 2 seasons to start afresh from a lower cost base. If he'd communicated that with the fans there may have been some understanding. Instead we got promised exciting signings that rarely happened whilst selling our better players. I'd promise some very dull signings and then if they turn out to be exciting, you cant lose?
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Post by berlinterrier on May 19, 2021 18:54:55 GMT 1
Just because I thought this thread might need some balance, I’d encourage all town fans to listen to the interview, even if you’re not a fan of PH.
I thought he came across well, defended and attempted to justify decisions the club has made over the last couple of years, provided unwavering support for CC, gave an insight into recruitment and the type of recruitment he hopes we can do, and suggested that he’s aiming to have the club debt-free within 12 months, which would suggest that he’s going to be paying off DH earlier than expected.
I can’t fault what he said tonight, and I feel somewhat reassured that the club is heading (slowly, admittedly) in a direction which I support.
Just my take, but wanted to provide a bit of balance because there are a lot of fans who think like I do as well. Fingers crossed they can achieve all that he set out today. I think we’ll be just fine!
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Post by Ross83 on May 19, 2021 18:56:18 GMT 1
Anyone else worry when he says RB, LB, CH & CF that we are just signing Paul Warhurst? Brilliant 👏 First player I used to sign on CM. Beast of a cheap utility player.
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Post by huddersfc on May 19, 2021 18:59:18 GMT 1
He said he made the decision to take the hit in these 2 seasons to start afresh from a lower cost base. If he'd communicated that with the fans there may have been some understanding. Instead we got promised exciting signings that rarely happened whilst selling our better players. Or even just give some nothing answers. "There will likely be a turnaround of players, we are looking to do the best deals for the club without putting us at risk financially at the moment". A bit of a politicians answer that doesnt make you look silly further down the line. He just put himself firmly on the back foot when he took over and said we dont have to sell players, then sell owt that isnt nailed down.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on May 19, 2021 19:01:36 GMT 1
To be fair, Phil doesn't make it easy for himself does he? Leaving aside the shirt, it just does not sound professional to have a player texting the owner & calling him mate... it just makes it sound like Phil is trying too hard to be one of the lads. To be fair bud, my team, employees and organization call me mate, bro, Gav, dickhead sometimes . Hasn't once affected how we as a business perform, granted doesn't work for all industries and organizations, but hasn't done us any harm. Internationally now in 3 countries, 24 different cities across USA, working with fortune 100 and 500 companies. I am in everyday and have a young-ish, entrepreneurial, and millennial style company though. If it's "mate" used, I can only imagine it could be from Hoggy, I listened to it, and immediately thought, it would sound like Hogg. How/why he got the text could be more down to PH maybe reaching out for feedback from the experienced pro's or those that understand the club to get a read on players thoughts, or dressing room level. Which I am not sure how to read into. As for the shirt, I have wore worse, as I am sure many of us have. Thankfully fashion sense isn't needed to run a business (unless in fashion).
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Post by Toxic Ted on May 19, 2021 19:04:03 GMT 1
Good interview.
Worrying that our wage budget for next season will be the same as when we went up on 2017.
From memory, that was about £11m and the second lowest in the division, after Rotherham. With 4 years of inflation taken into account it will be about 10% lower in real terms.
That’s the PL legacy for us!
5 ins, 3 more if we shift Mbenza & Bacuna. Strangely he said if we move those two on we will sign another CB, then a holding midfielder, some attacking midfielders and a winger. But then said if we sold the two we’d sign 3 more players to bring the total to 2 out, 8 in.
Overall, nothing unexpected or exciting.
The plan is to chug along, hope to repeat the miracle of 2017 but if that fails we reckon enough clubs will get points deductions to help us stay up.
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Post by sallycinnamon on May 19, 2021 19:04:12 GMT 1
Anyone else worry when he says RB, LB, CH & CF that we are just signing Paul Warhurst? Brilliant 👏 First player I used to sign on CM. Beast of a cheap utility player. Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Kim Kallstrom from Malmo and Hacken respectively for about 750k combined was my favourite CM/FM. Can't quite remember what year that was.
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Post by 4 pts on May 19, 2021 19:04:55 GMT 1
Reading between the lines the signings will be free transfers or loans because Phil said in that clip not to expect any announcements before the 30th June when player's contracts come to an end. If were spending any brass then we could in theory announce them a soon as the transfer window opens on the 9th June. Yes, that’s how I read it too, free transfers. Maybe he wasn’t entirely clear but I thought the implication was that Town would need to sell a couple first before they could bring in loans from the PL or overseas. In terms of Premier League loans, maybe they'll be looking at the likes of Shackleton again.
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Post by Big Ern on May 19, 2021 19:08:47 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. I couldn't agree more. It's time to give him a break now. It's a new season and I genuinely believe he has wanted to get to this moment so he could start again. He doesn't stand a chance though if dickheads keep taking any opportunity to have a pop. Debt free with a better squad than last season. That's hugely positive.
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Post by tepidterrier on May 19, 2021 19:11:47 GMT 1
2 expected to go out and 3 expected to come in in their place, with big offers required for anyone else and the deal needing to be right for the club as well as the player. The 2 players are obviously Bacuna and Mbenza judging by his answers. Oh aye, heard that one a few times from him before 🤦♂️😁 different situation to the post Premier league clear out if that's what you're referring to (out of which we got as good fees as we could for everyone apart from Mooy). Looking at what he said about squad harmony, it's less imperative now to get shut of players than it was when we had Billing and Kongolo around 2 seasons ago, or Grant around last season. It's clear he wants rid of Bacuna and Mbenza, after that we seem to have a pretty clean bill in terms of players who won't cause bother. So no rush to get shut of eg. O'Brien at risk of unsettling the dressing room. We're on much more of a level playing field than we were in terms of our negotiating position, which is down to the good business in terms of players leaving over the last year.
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Post by sonny on May 19, 2021 19:15:03 GMT 1
One of PH's better moments overall, not that the bar was terribly high. Think at one point he said he has learned to be careful what he says as supporters will 'take you literally'. A more probing interviewer might have had some fun with that.
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Post by Ross83 on May 19, 2021 19:16:23 GMT 1
To be fair, Phil doesn't make it easy for himself does he? Leaving aside the shirt, it just does not sound professional to have a player texting the owner & calling him mate... it just makes it sound like Phil is trying too hard to be one of the lads. To be fair bud, my team, employees and organization call me mate, bro, Gav, dickhead sometimes . Hasn't once affected how we as a business perform, granted doesn't work for all industries and organizations, but hasn't done us any harm. Internationally now in 3 countries, 24 different cities across USA, working with fortune 100 and 500 companies. I am in everyday and have a young-ish, entrepreneurial, and millennial style company though. If it's "mate" used, I can only imagine it could be from Hoggy, I listened to it, and immediately thought, it would sound like Hogg. How/why he got the text could be more down to PH maybe reaching out for feedback from the experienced pro's or those that understand the club to get a read on players thoughts, or dressing room level. Which I am not sure how to read into. As for the shirt, I have wore worse, as I am sure many of us have. Thankfully fashion sense isn't needed to run a business (unless in fashion). Definitely Hogg and Schindler, we don't/didn't have any more "senior" players. Hogg and his family were also with him on a number of photos when he took over I believe so they must be fairly close.
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Post by Wingman on May 19, 2021 19:17:09 GMT 1
Just as an aside to those complaining about free transfers, they are the same as Bosman’s. No-one complains about signing a good player on a Bosman. Have to admit I am quite positive about the prospect of signing Pearson, and don’t mind Rhodes coming back at all.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 19, 2021 19:18:36 GMT 1
Good interview. Worrying that our wage budget for next season will be the same as when we went up on 2017. From memory, that was about £11m and the second lowest in the division, after Rotherham. With 4 years of inflation taken into account it will be about 10% lower in real terms. That’s the PL legacy for us! 5 ins, 3 more if we shift Mbenza & Bacuna. Strangely he said if we move those two on we will sign another CB, then a holding midfielder, some attacking midfielders and a winger. But then said if we sold the two we’d sign 3 more players to bring the total to 2 out, 8 in. Overall, nothing unexpected or exciting. The plan is to chug along, hope to repeat the miracle of 2017 but if that fails we reckon enough clubs will get points deductions to help us stay up. This might not be a bad thing bearing in mind quite a few teams are in the shit financially. Some players are going to have to take a reality check with their wage demands in the future.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 19, 2021 19:20:44 GMT 1
Just as an aside to those complaining about free transfers, they are the same as Bosman’s. No-one complains about signing a good player on a Bosman. Have to admit I am quite positive about the prospect of signing Pearson, and don’t mind Rhodes coming back at all. On my part it was more of an observation rather than a complaint.
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Post by dugnet on May 19, 2021 19:22:03 GMT 1
Well at least I feel I know where I stand. I don't necessarily agree, based on all the evidence on the pitch, in PHs assessment of Carlos' coaching ability but he was never going to say anything different.
There's not much more to say other than we'll just have to see what team is built. I welcome the recognition we need a team, but it's all about execution now. Let's see how good our recruitment and Carlos is.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 19:23:15 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. I couldn't agree more. It's time to give him a break now. It's a new season and I genuinely believe he has wanted to get to this moment so he could start again. He doesn't stand a chance though if dickheads keep taking any opportunity to have a pop. Debt free with a better squad than last season. That's hugely positive. a fair interview and a lot of commonsence spoken and I'm sure most reasonable fans will be more tolerant now but of course some won't , that's football utt
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on May 19, 2021 19:25:39 GMT 1
Good interview. Worrying that our wage budget for next season will be the same as when we went up on 2017. From memory, that was about £11m and the second lowest in the division, after Rotherham. With 4 years of inflation taken into account it will be about 10% lower in real terms. That’s the PL legacy for us! 5 ins, 3 more if we shift Mbenza & Bacuna. Strangely he said if we move those two on we will sign another CB, then a holding midfielder, some attacking midfielders and a winger. But then said if we sold the two we’d sign 3 more players to bring the total to 2 out, 8 in. Overall, nothing unexpected or exciting. The plan is to chug along, hope to repeat the miracle of 2017 but if that fails we reckon enough clubs will get points deductions to help us stay up. This is still the concern for me. Phil has talked about backing Carlos because he rates him, well backing him isn’t reducing the wage bill big time. Hopefully it is more of an ambition than something set in stone.
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Post by johnnyx on May 19, 2021 19:28:29 GMT 1
To be fair to PH I thought that was by far the best interview he’s given. The plan to take things forward seems reasonable and makes sense and it definitely seemed the case that he’s learnt quite a lot over the last 12 months. He also sees the need to pay DH off in order to progress. This obviously requires significant funds which on the face of it he has access to. My only issue is, and it’s quite fundamental, is the faith he has in Corberan. I don’t share his view that the first half of the season was this amazing football fest. We gave away unprofessional goal after unprofessional goal and it was never addressed. Yes we had injuries after Christmas however performances such as Preston, Wycombe, Derby, Norwich, Coventry and especially Blackburn were unacceptable. I haven’t seen anything that makes me think he can turn it round. I also remember the glowing tribute PH gave to Siewert before the start of the season. The interview gave me hope that his heart is in the right place but I’ll be surprised if we don’t have a new manager 15 games in who will then have to work with players that he has had no say in recruiting.
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Post by Kenny irons on May 19, 2021 19:37:44 GMT 1
Make no bones about it I am no fan of phil hodgkinson and uve been a very big critic of his! However listening to him then he came across really well and sounded as if he knows he's made mistakes and learned from them. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until the season starts when the signings are made then I'll make a real judgment on him.
The only poor thing I didn't like was our budget is back to 2017. Gutting
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Post by mids on May 19, 2021 19:40:32 GMT 1
To be fair, Phil doesn't make it easy for himself does he? Leaving aside the shirt, it just does not sound professional to have a player texting the owner & calling him mate... it just makes it sound like Phil is trying too hard to be one of the lads. To be fair bud, my team, employees and organization call me mate, bro, Gav, dickhead sometimes . Hasn't once affected how we as a business perform, granted doesn't work for all industries and organizations, but hasn't done us any harm. Internationally now in 3 countries, 24 different cities across USA, working with fortune 100 and 500 companies. I am in everyday and have a young-ish, entrepreneurial, and millennial style company though. If it's "mate" used, I can only imagine it could be from Hoggy, I listened to it, and immediately thought, it would sound like Hogg. How/why he got the text could be more down to PH maybe reaching out for feedback from the experienced pro's or those that understand the club to get a read on players thoughts, or dressing room level. Which I am not sure how to read into. As for the shirt, I have wore worse, as I am sure many of us have. Thankfully fashion sense isn't needed to run a business (unless in fashion). Hows tonywal doing? Has Diggers lent him the Bowls Trophy to look after yet?
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Post by impact on May 19, 2021 19:41:46 GMT 1
Did he say that 2 players who have been here 5+ years think Carlos is the best head coach they've ever worked with? Seriously?
I can only assume they are players who didn't actually play under Wagner, eg academy lads like O'Brien or Schofield.
Otherwise I can't believe that.
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Post by andyeastleake on May 19, 2021 19:45:08 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. Tell you what Mel, I'm much much more confident in making the statement "Town have loyal and supportive fans...." .....than anyone should be saying "...that T Shirt reallly suits you Phil.....". PS Healthy BMI, no beard and more hair than you (but not sure why that should make my opinion any more or less valid).
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 19, 2021 19:51:32 GMT 1
He said he made the decision to take the hit in these 2 seasons to start afresh from a lower cost base. If he'd communicated that with the fans there may have been some understanding. Instead we got promised exciting signings that rarely happened whilst selling our better players. Exactly right. Looking back, I’m glad now that we couldn’t attend games this season.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 19, 2021 19:59:18 GMT 1
On balance I thought this was a good interview and he came across very well. Assuming that our recruitment department have learnt lessons from the past, I’d say we have hopefully turned a corner.
Overall, I’m glad I’ve renewed.
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Post by iangreaves on May 19, 2021 20:00:29 GMT 1
he's talking about not owing anyone anything money wise. maybe the paying dean off rumour is true. He said he aims to be debt free in next 12 months.
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