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Post by joburgjon on May 19, 2021 20:01:31 GMT 1
Did he say that 2 players who have been here 5+ years think Carlos is the best head coach they've ever worked with? Seriously? I can only assume they are players who didn't actually play under Wagner, eg academy lads like O'Brien or Schofield. Otherwise I can't believe that. Yeah that was surprising for me also. Guess it depends on what they're basing it on. All round coaching, man management and communication skills, then I can't believe they would say that CC is better than Warner. However, if it's pure coaching and nothing else, then maybe. Overall a good interview and nothing that would worry or raise alarms. I'm not worried about the wage bill going back to 2017 levels. Get the right players at the right wage and we can progress. Lots of players we've signed over the last few years aren't even worth the wages we were paying back in 2017, let alone what we've paid them. High wages don't necessarily equal quality and low wages don't necessarily equal a lack of quality |
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Post by Maynardblue on May 19, 2021 20:02:06 GMT 1
Make no bones about it I am no fan of phil hodgkinson and uve been a very big critic of his! However listening to him then he came across really well and sounded as if he knows he's made mistakes and learned from them. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until the season starts when the signings are made then I'll make a real judgment on him. The only poor thing I didn't like was our budget is back to 2017. Gutting The wage bill in 16/17 was around £14m Last season's was around £18m/19m. It was hardly value for money. I definitely think it's achievable to reduce the wage bill yet increase the quality due to the shocking value for money we were getting. |
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Post by Amigo on May 19, 2021 20:06:33 GMT 1
Wages are going to be down next season for a hell of a lot of players/teams so having a budget similar to 2017 isn't a disaster by any means.
As has been mentioned just because you spend £50k on one player doesn't mean he'll do better than someone you give even £10k. They could give me £1k a week and I'll make myself available without a cyst.
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Post by The Lightening Bomber on May 19, 2021 20:09:45 GMT 1
I’ve seen a lot of people moan about no communication and then when he does what I deem to be a decent interview slate him for being arrogant, clueless and “too full of himself.”
Daragh Macanthony is so full of himself he could explode but he’s a good owner. Phil is several years behind the amount of time he has been at Posh.
One question. IF the rumour and suggestion is true he is paying Dean back himself early, whilst that is great and commendable but doesn’t that leave us in the same boat should Phil then decide to sell up?
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Post by digs on May 19, 2021 20:10:45 GMT 1
Did I hear Phil say Ward and Koroma would of got us 50 to 60 goals if they hadn't of got injured?
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Post by The Lightening Bomber on May 19, 2021 20:15:06 GMT 1
Did I hear Phil say Ward and Koroma would of got us 50 to 60 goals if they hadn't of got injured? No |
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Post by impact on May 19, 2021 20:18:27 GMT 1
There was a lot of talks about lessons learnt there:
Carlos with training
The scouting department with the type of player we need
And Phil learning that it's better to be straight with fans rather than making extravagant claims
I still don't trust him, and that's come from the last 2 years. If he'd said at the start that we were going to accelerate our cost cutting to make it more manageable, I would have understood what has happened over the past 2 years better. But instead we were promised players as good as Aaron Mooy.
If he continues to be straight with us and tempering down the over the top rhetoric, that trust will come back. But he now has to put his words from today into action.
He did still slip one in with the 2 players who've been here over 5 years comment, but it was better from him.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on May 19, 2021 20:27:23 GMT 1
I’ve seen a lot of people moan about no communication and then when he does what I deem to be a decent interview slate him for being arrogant, clueless and “too full of himself.” Daragh Macanthony is so full of himself he could explode but he’s a good owner. Phil is several years behind the amount of time he has been at Posh. One question. IF the rumour and suggestion is true he is paying Dean back himself early, whilst that is great and commendable but doesn’t that leave us in the same boat should Phil then decide to sell up? I didnt interpret it as that. Not seen anything that PH is repaying from his own purse but I think he said this evening that by this time next year, he wants us debt free. No loans or anyone outstanding who we owe money to. Club can service it's debt and any sales is reinvested. Didn't write off searching for more investment, partnerships, or even selling if he thought someone could do a better job than he. |
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Post by runner76 on May 19, 2021 20:36:21 GMT 1
Just because I thought this thread might need some balance, I’d encourage all town fans to listen to the interview, even if you’re not a fan of PH. I thought he came across well, defended and attempted to justify decisions the club has made over the last couple of years, provided unwavering support for CC, gave an insight into recruitment and the type of recruitment he hopes we can do, and suggested that he’s aiming to have the club debt-free within 12 months, which would suggest that he’s going to be paying off DH earlier than expected. I can’t fault what he said tonight, and I feel somewhat reassured that the club is heading (slowly, admittedly) in a direction which I support. Just my take, but wanted to provide a bit of balance because there are a lot of fans who think like I do as well. Fingers crossed they can achieve all that he set out today. I think we’ll be just fine! You mean you actually listened to him and didn’t judge him based on his clothing??!!!! |
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Post by Porrohman on May 19, 2021 20:36:24 GMT 1
Did I hear Phil say Ward and Koroma would of got us 50 to 60 goals if they hadn't of got injured? No, he said Town would've scored that amount |
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Post by Wingman on May 19, 2021 20:39:46 GMT 1
Just as an aside to those complaining about free transfers, they are the same as Bosman’s. No-one complains about signing a good player on a Bosman. Have to admit I am quite positive about the prospect of signing Pearson, and don’t mind Rhodes coming back at all. On my part it was more of an observation rather than a complaint. , wasn’t aimed at you Frankie, just a general comment. 👍🏼 |
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Post by wigster on May 19, 2021 20:45:20 GMT 1
I'm not Phil's greatest fan, but that interview gave me some hope at last.
Basically, and he obviously can't say it directly, he's had to get rid of the legacy of Dean Hoyle's later years - financially, playing personnel, changing the club at every level. I accept it's a broken record but Hoyle's tenure, unintentionally, left the club in an absolute mess.
If we DO become debt free in 12 months that will be wonderful,or are we just going from "not owing previous owners" to owing somebody else ?
That interview gave me a lot more hope that he knows what he's doing, and my only qualification is that I felt this hopeful after the first interview he ever gave...in this latest interview certain things worried me eg "a fit ward etc/60 goals", seemingly blaming injuries for the vast majority of the crap, 2 players texted me ... but generally a very positive interview.
I'm more willing to give him the chance, BUT the next two months are going to be absolutely massive. At last, and it's been a while, he's talked a good talk - now the pressure is on him to do the rest.
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Post by digs on May 19, 2021 21:10:20 GMT 1
Did I hear Phil say Ward and Koroma would of got us 50 to 60 goals if they hadn't of got injured? No, he said Town would've scored that amount oh right 🤣 I thought it was a bit optimistic them getting 30 goals each |
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Post by huntingdontown on May 19, 2021 21:16:30 GMT 1
He sounded quite confident he would sell 2 players and bring in good money. Not sure I’m as confident. Doesn’t expect to sell anyone else so no deal yet for anyone else
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Post by aca00js on May 19, 2021 21:23:54 GMT 1
The first alarming part is that the staff didn't realise that the intense training was going to cause issues.
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Post by space hardware on May 19, 2021 21:36:13 GMT 1
There was a lot of talks about lessons learnt there: Carlos with training The scouting department with the type of player we need And Phil learning that it's better to be straight with fans rather than making extravagant claims I still don't trust him, and that's come from the last 2 years. If he'd said at the start that we were going to accelerate our cost cutting to make it more manageable, I would have understood what has happened over the past 2 years better. But instead we were promised players as good as Aaron Mooy. If he continues to be straight with us and tempering down the over the top rhetoric, that trust will come back. But he now has to put his words from today into action. He did still slip one in with the 2 players who've been here over 5 years comment, but it was better from him. The "2 players" comment was standard Hodgkinson. He just can't help himself. A lot of what he said was decent though, fair play. The sort of interview he probably wishes he'd given when he took over, rather than that absolute cock waving shitshow he presided over. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 19, 2021 21:49:59 GMT 1
Sounds like Hoyle will be paid off within 12 months which is good news. Will he keep his word & hand over the training ground once he gets his full amount though?
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Post by aca00js on May 19, 2021 21:55:46 GMT 1
He doesn't say we will be debt free though, he says he hopes to be.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 19, 2021 22:10:11 GMT 1
Good interview . Enjoyed that . I feel he is a bit ultra defensive . But you can understand why given all the shit he takes .. Spoke a lot of sense and a bit of bollocks .
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 22:14:46 GMT 1
Good interview . Enjoyed that . I feel he is a bit ultra defensive . But you can understand why given all the shit he takes .. Spoke a lot of sense and a bit of bollocks . Don't sit on the fence: If Phil wears a horrible shirt, does pointing that out make you a bad fan or not? |
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Post by Toxic Ted on May 19, 2021 22:18:30 GMT 1
I wonder if Watford fans got similarly perplexed at what their owner wore when Elton John was their Chairman?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 19, 2021 22:20:11 GMT 1
Good interview . Enjoyed that . I feel he is a bit ultra defensive . But you can understand why given all the shit he takes .. Spoke a lot of sense and a bit of bollocks . Don't sit on the fence: If Phil wears a horrible shirt, does pointing that out make you a bad fan or not? Brother . We have moral obligation to point out fashion faux pas. In the same way as we would shop a burglar. Phil if you need any advice start a group chat with me Iffy and otium we will see you right . But it was a good interview fair play |
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Post by bluestripe on May 19, 2021 22:21:01 GMT 1
He doesn't say we will be debt free though, he says he hopes to be. So he ain't paying off my Barclaycard? Selfish bastard 🤪 |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on May 19, 2021 22:23:13 GMT 1
A good interview and hope it's given folk some encouragement after three difficult seasons.
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Post by positive plus + pompous on May 19, 2021 22:25:14 GMT 1
Any link for the interview please ? Cheers
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Post by Toxic Ted on May 19, 2021 22:30:04 GMT 1
Don’t forgot the additional income we’ve already secured. We are effectively getting £50k a week from West Brom for the next 5 years.
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Post by specialun on May 19, 2021 22:30:22 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. You seem to forget that Phil created the ‘expectant’ part of the expectant mongs himself when he boasted about his wealth… “ The reality is I wouldn’t be doing this if I couldn’t afford to do it I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t have the personal wealth to invest in the football club at this level. “I know exactly how much money I’ll need to put in in the next 10 years. It doesn’t worry me, it’s not daunting or a concern. I’m not doing this because Dean’s approached me, and I’ve got the opportunity. I’m doing it to be successful“ His words - not the expectant mongs. So let’s not criticise the fans for expectations Phil set himself. However - The vast majority of fans want honesty, a connection with the fans, an identity and actions to match the words - not expecting him to invest stupid money, not sound bites about delivering exciting football which ended up being as dull as we’ve seen (September / October aside). Like Carlos the only way Phil will win back fans is on the pitch now. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 22:41:57 GMT 1
I wonder if Watford fans got similarly perplexed at what their owner wore when Elton John was their Chairman? Elton never wore anything as gaudy or garish as that fucking shirt. |
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Post by Amigo on May 19, 2021 22:43:13 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. You seem to forget that Phil created the ‘expectant’ part of the expectant mongs himself when he boasted about his wealth… “ The reality is I wouldn’t be doing this if I couldn’t afford to do it I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t have the personal wealth to invest in the football club at this level. “I know exactly how much money I’ll need to put in in the next 10 years. It doesn’t worry me, it’s not daunting or a concern. I’m not doing this because Dean’s approached me, and I’ve got the opportunity. I’m doing it to be successful“ His words - not the expectant mongs. So let’s not criticise the fans for expectations Phil set himself. However - The vast majority of fans want honesty, a connection with the fans, an identity and actions to match the words - not expecting him to invest stupid money, not sound bites about delivering exciting football which ended up being as dull as we’ve seen (September / October aside). Like Carlos the only way Phil will win back fans is on the pitch now. With your last comment you're assuming all fans are against Carlos and Phil? As you've quoted he also said he knows how much he'll need to put in over the next 10 years, I don't think he said anything about immediate success. In the god knows how many years before Wagner's first 2 years did we have an "identity"? What even is it, the style of play? |
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Post by mightyterrier on May 19, 2021 22:44:30 GMT 1
Feel sorry for PH He probably thought he was buying a club with a bunch of loyal and supportive fans, and it turns out the majority have turned into a load of priveledged expectant mongs. Good luck to the guy, but when he's getting pulled over his tee shirt by fat, bald blokes with a beard, he's on a hiding to nowt. You seem to forget that Phil created the ‘expectant’ part of the expectant mongs himself when he boasted about his wealth… “ The reality is I wouldn’t be doing this if I couldn’t afford to do it I wouldn’t be doing this if I didn’t have the personal wealth to invest in the football club at this level. “I know exactly how much money I’ll need to put in in the next 10 years. It doesn’t worry me, it’s not daunting or a concern. I’m not doing this because Dean’s approached me, and I’ve got the opportunity. I’m doing it to be successful“ His words - not the expectant mongs. So let’s not criticise the fans for expectations Phil set himself. However - The vast majority of fans want honesty, a connection with the fans, an identity and actions to match the words - not expecting him to invest stupid money, not sound bites about delivering exciting football which ended up being as dull as we’ve seen (September / October aside). Like Carlos the only way Phil will win back fans is on the pitch now. Do you think phil creating expectation unbeknown that we would enter a world wide pandemic justifies the vitriol he receives? |
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