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Post by richhtfc on Jun 6, 2021 21:09:01 GMT 1
I like the optimism, but all it really shows is how shit we have been in previous windows of the past couple of years that people are impressed. They are building a team of free transfers and players that have been released from teams around us or below us. Unless some quality is added then roll on another relegation battle. That's the spirit 👍 Oi that’s my catchphrase!
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Jun 6, 2021 21:10:19 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 6, 2021 21:10:19 GMT 1
I like the optimism, but all it really shows is how shit we have been in previous windows of the past couple of years that people are impressed. They are building a team of free transfers and players that have been released from teams around us or below us. Unless some quality is added then roll on another relegation battle. That's the spirit 👍 To be fair, that's what most Town fans will be thinking on the quiet.
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Post by linson on Jun 6, 2021 21:18:16 GMT 1
I like the optimism, but all it really shows is how shit we have been in previous windows of the past couple of years that people are impressed. They are building a team of free transfers and players that have been released from teams around us or below us. Unless some quality is added then roll on another relegation battle. Sofascore.com Average Rating: Ollie Turton - 6.88 Josh Ruffels - 7.00 Lee Nicholls - 6.53 Jordan Rhodes - 6.75 Matt Pearson - 6.83 I don't know, their average scores aren't bad.. Having said that, I've no idea if it's a reputable source. However, as it's all about comparability, for context Josh Koroma was the highest average rating for us at 7.06. I agree to a degree though, most of these players are coming in to provide competition, which should push standards up. It would be nice to get a couple of high ranking players.
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Post by zoso on Jun 6, 2021 23:36:21 GMT 1
To be fair, that's what most Town fans will be thinking on the quiet. So when David Wagner was bringing in players from foreign lower leagues, how was that different? We may well end up in another relegation scrap, but we may not... 😉
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jun 7, 2021 2:49:05 GMT 1
I like the optimism, but all it really shows is how shit we have been in previous windows of the past couple of years that people are impressed. They are building a team of free transfers and players that have been released from teams around us or below us. Unless some quality is added then roll on another relegation battle. Sofascore.com Average Rating: Ollie Turton - 6.88 Josh Ruffels - 7.00 Lee Nicholls - 6.53 Jordan Rhodes - 6.75 Matt Pearson - 6.83 I don't know, their average scores aren't bad.. Having said that, I've no idea if it's a reputable source. However, as it's all about comparability, for context Josh Koroma was the highest average rating for us at 7.06. I agree to a degree though, most of these players are coming in to provide competition, which should push standards up. It would be nice to get a couple of high ranking players. I think it provides a solid base. If you can have a backline of solid 7's it frees up the creative players to be a bit hit and miss, as is what to be expected at our level. Statisically, bringing up the level of your weakest players is more beneficial to the overall performance than raising the level of your strongest players, and a hell of a lot cheaper too. We need a strong squad so there's less chance of having to field an outlier who can really drag the whole team down.
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Jun 7, 2021 3:00:56 GMT 1
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Post by faffa on Jun 7, 2021 3:00:56 GMT 1
I like the optimism, but all it really shows is how shit we have been in previous windows of the past couple of years that people are impressed. They are building a team of free transfers and players that have been released from teams around us or below us. Unless some quality is added then roll on another relegation battle. Would be interesting to know. Who refused contracts or were told they could leave. Rhodes is pretty obvious. But if the others were offered contracts must mean that they were rated.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jun 7, 2021 5:37:49 GMT 1
A lot of teams have struggled due to COVID and put off offering new contracts to players, and it looks like we’ve been able to tie players up then.
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Jun 7, 2021 6:51:57 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 7, 2021 6:51:57 GMT 1
To be fair, that's what most Town fans will be thinking on the quiet. So when David Wagner was bringing in players from foreign lower leagues, how was that different? We may well end up in another relegation scrap, but we may not... 😉 Wagner seemed to have the man management and motivational skills, Corberan seems a bit of a cardboard cut out in those terms compared to Wagner. The promotion seemed a happy accident. Not one of those players from the promotion team has gone on to better things, aside from Mooy, momentarily, then decided to go to China for some reason.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 7, 2021 7:48:03 GMT 1
So when David Wagner was bringing in players from foreign lower leagues, how was that different? We may well end up in another relegation scrap, but we may not... 😉 Wagner seemed to have the man management and motivational skills, Corberan seems a bit of a cardboard cut out in those terms compared to Wagner. The promotion seemed a happy accident. Not one of those players from the promotion team has gone on to better things, aside from Mooy, momentarily, then decided to go to China for some reason. Define 'better things'. Of the teams that were promoted with us, how many of those players have gone on to be anything other than team members in sides constantly battling relegation. Lossl went to Everton, would you class that as a success. Calling it a happy accident is downplaying that achievement. Like it or not, HTFC does not have the allure of some clubs or locations, so we have to think differently.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 7, 2021 7:59:01 GMT 1
A lot of teams have struggled due to COVID and put off offering new contracts to players, and it looks like we’ve been able to tie players up then. This. e.g. Stankovic would have been offered a new contract if we'd known we were staying up.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 7, 2021 8:06:10 GMT 1
I like the optimism, but all it really shows is how shit we have been in previous windows of the past couple of years that people are impressed. They are building a team of free transfers and players that have been released from teams around us or below us. Unless some quality is added then roll on another relegation battle. Depends. If this (including Ruffels or another 2nd choice LB) is the sum total of all the transfer business we do this summer then I totally agree that we're going to struggle massively to stay up. Alternatively, if you just see the first 5 signings as shrewd acquisitions & a good start to addressing some of the weaknesses we had last season, then you're going to be encouraged. These are "Martin Cranie level" signings. Players that aren't going to tear it up, but could still provide a useful addition to the squad. At least next season we're unlikely to be starting with o'Brien &/or Bacuna in the full back positions. At least if Schofield is injured/suspended/out of form we won't have to put a hologram in nets.... etc. It's an encouraging start. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 7, 2021 9:14:27 GMT 1
Wagner seemed to have the man management and motivational skills, Corberan seems a bit of a cardboard cut out in those terms compared to Wagner. The promotion seemed a happy accident. Not one of those players from the promotion team has gone on to better things, aside from Mooy, momentarily, then decided to go to China for some reason. Define 'better things'. Of the teams that were promoted with us, how many of those players have gone on to be anything other than team members in sides constantly battling relegation. Lossl went to Everton, would you class that as a success. Calling it a happy accident is downplaying that achievement. Like it or not, HTFC does not have the allure of some clubs or locations, so we have to think differently. Did Lossl play any games at all for Everton? I think he might have played a League Cup game or two. Not downplaying the promotion but we were widely tipped for relegation by all and sundry, all things came together all at once for us to achieve the promotion. As I said, not one of those players has gone on to greater things, which probably makes the promotion more remarkable really. Edit: Lossl didn't play one single game at Everton in any competition.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 7, 2021 9:28:59 GMT 1
I'm actually quite happy with the signings to date & I'm very happy that Phil has actually done what, to date, he said he was going to do. He stated the less glamorous signings would be done early, & they have provided the foundations of a new house, if you will. What is now required, & I don't expect this to be complete much before the end of July, is the flair, skill, attacking prowess, maybe provided by loans from the Premier or abroad, or in my new house analogy, the glass walls & the infinity pool. So far so good, as I see the grafters being brought in as better than the players they have replaced, however, without better attacking threats we will continue to struggle.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 7, 2021 9:38:28 GMT 1
So when David Wagner was bringing in players from foreign lower leagues, how was that different? We may well end up in another relegation scrap, but we may not... 😉 Wagner seemed to have the man management and motivational skills, Corberan seems a bit of a cardboard cut out in those terms compared to Wagner. The promotion seemed a happy accident. Not one of those players from the promotion team has gone on to better things, aside from Mooy, momentarily, then decided to go to China for some reason. There's probably at least 100,000 reasons every week he decided to go to China. As for the rest, yes it was definitely the pinnacle of all their careers.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 7, 2021 10:14:24 GMT 1
Define 'better things'. Of the teams that were promoted with us, how many of those players have gone on to be anything other than team members in sides constantly battling relegation. Lossl went to Everton, would you class that as a success. Calling it a happy accident is downplaying that achievement. Like it or not, HTFC does not have the allure of some clubs or locations, so we have to think differently. Did Lossl play any games at all for Everton? I think he might have played a League Cup game or two. Not downplaying the promotion but we were widely tipped for relegation by all and sundry, all things came together all at once for us to achieve the promotion. As I said, not one of those players has gone on to greater things, which probably makes the promotion more remarkable really. Edit: Lossl didn't play one single game at Everton in any competition. Nope, Lossl didn't do anything, but he got a move to a PL club, who had the England keeper there. My point was mainly about the fact that Brighton and Newcastle are always skirting on relegation as well. Yes they've done better than us, but they've spent far more, are arguably more attractive clubs for different reasons, but overall their players are relegation battlers. I was always sceptical as to whether some Town fans could ever stomach 17th place in the PL every yr being a barometer of success. (that's not aimed at you BTW). It would be a barometer of success commercially if you spent less than you took in, but the PL seems to have a knack of football clubs losing their fiscal heads... Onwards and upwards, get the Euros out of the way and we can see what the squad looks like in a few weeks time.
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Jun 7, 2021 10:19:07 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jun 7, 2021 10:19:07 GMT 1
Wagner seemed to have the man management and motivational skills, Corberan seems a bit of a cardboard cut out in those terms compared to Wagner. The promotion seemed a happy accident. Not one of those players from the promotion team has gone on to better things, aside from Mooy, momentarily, then decided to go to China for some reason. There's probably at least 100,000 reasons every week he decided to go to China. As for the rest, yes it was definitely the pinnacle of all their careers. Well yeah, it's a bit sad he's gone for the money really. I don't think he'd have been going short at Brighton.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 7, 2021 10:34:29 GMT 1
There's probably at least 100,000 reasons every week he decided to go to China. As for the rest, yes it was definitely the pinnacle of all their careers. Well yeah, it's a bit sad he's gone for the money really. I don't think he'd have been going short at Brighton. Yeah it's a waste really. Only thing I would say is his career in terms of earning decent money never mind big money started late. Doubt he'd pocketed much by footballer standards until he joined Man City at nearly 26.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 7, 2021 10:41:56 GMT 1
There's probably at least 100,000 reasons every week he decided to go to China. As for the rest, yes it was definitely the pinnacle of all their careers. Well yeah, it's a bit sad he's gone for the money really. I don't think he'd have been going short at Brighton. For a player that was playing at St Mirren until he was about 22 (back injury acknowledged) & only blossomed late in his career, you can hardly blame him for going for the big bucks while he was able to. A bit closer to Oz as well... I think that his early yrs probably made him a lot more reflective of things and when he came to prominence with ourselves he always struck me as just a fairly normal bloke, a far cry from how he might have been had he been a young ego driven youth superstar back in the day. I think that was the perfect mix we created in that side, not one of them had an aura of knob-headishness, maybe that was Wagner and the German psyche that instilled that level headedness across the squad? It was only when we got to the PL and the second season when we lost that part of things that it went to shit.
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Jun 7, 2021 10:51:42 GMT 1
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 7, 2021 10:51:42 GMT 1
Well yeah, it's a bit sad he's gone for the money really. I don't think he'd have been going short at Brighton. For a player that was playing at St Mirren until he was about 22 (back injury acknowledged) & only blossomed late in his career, you can hardly blame him for going for the big bucks while he was able to. A bit closer to Oz as well... I think that his early yrs probably made him a lot more reflective of things and when he came to prominence with ourselves he always struck me as just a fairly normal bloke, a far cry from how he might have been had he been a young ego driven youth superstar back in the day. I think that was the perfect mix we created in that side, not one of them had an aura of knob-headishness, maybe that was Wagner and the German psyche that instilled that level headedness across the squad? It was only when we got to the PL and the second season when we lost that part of things that it went to shit. Closer to oz, but that hasn’t really turned out to be any advantage, especially since his family stayed in the UK.
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Post by somtam on Jun 7, 2021 12:43:41 GMT 1
There's probably at least 100,000 reasons every week he decided to go to China. As for the rest, yes it was definitely the pinnacle of all their careers. Well yeah, it's a bit sad he's gone for the money really. I don't think he'd have been going short at Brighton. I've seen him play for Shanghai SIPG several times and, he looked pretty ordinary.
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Post by bigtruck on Jun 7, 2021 13:00:31 GMT 1
The fact that we're getting deals done so early (I can't remember us ever announcing 4 players by early June before) shows that we are signing our first choices and have planned these for a while. I suspect in the past couple of seasons that hasn't always been the case which is why we've ended up with some dross. Whether they turn out to be good signings or not, we'll have to wait and see, but the signs are reassuring. So the signs our signings are a sign of things to come is a good sign 😉
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Post by 4 pts on Jun 7, 2021 14:25:29 GMT 1
Well yeah, it's a bit sad he's gone for the money really. I don't think he'd have been going short at Brighton. I've seen him play for Shanghai SIPG several times and, he looked pretty ordinary. I've seen a few high profile players have hit and miss games in that league. Maybe it just comes down to it being less competitive than the top leagues. Put Mooy back in the Championship and I'm pretty sure you would see him influencing/dictating a game
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Jun 7, 2021 18:56:23 GMT 1
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jun 7, 2021 18:56:23 GMT 1
That season we got free hungry players and a big money signing in Schindler then quality in loans ie mooy palmer,Izzy later on. If we can get near that quality of loan to complement the graft we will be ok. It was a side that just clicked. You have to put that down to Wagner. None of that squad, with the possible exception of Mooy, have gone on to better things. Billing?
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Jun 7, 2021 18:58:09 GMT 1
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jun 7, 2021 18:58:09 GMT 1
There's probably at least 100,000 reasons every week he decided to go to China. As for the rest, yes it was definitely the pinnacle of all their careers. Well yeah, it's a bit sad he's gone for the money really. I don't think he'd have been going short at Brighton. Closer to home?
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Jun 7, 2021 19:14:36 GMT 1
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jun 7, 2021 19:14:36 GMT 1
I’ll never begrudge someone a move to China for the money, I’d do it in a heartbeat. He’s ticked off Premier League ambitions, won’t lose his place in the Aussie team, why not cash in?
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 7, 2021 21:47:06 GMT 1
I’ll never begrudge someone a move to China for the money, I’d do it in a heartbeat. He’s ticked off Premier League ambitions, won’t lose his place in the Aussie team, why not cash in? It would be hypocritical of any of us on here to say that if we had the same opportunity, in whatever industry we work in, to earn major money for doing the same job, we wouldn’t do the same. At Mooy’s age and given the fact that getting back home is much easier, I think he made a totally understandable decision.
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Post by specialun on Jun 7, 2021 23:37:31 GMT 1
No guarantee that they're going to be great additions but I thought this was quite interesting. Total appearances of five outgoing players (Elphick, Brown, Duhaney, Pereira, Sanogo) = 650 Total appearances of five signed so far (assuming Ruffels signs) = 1600 Thats a lot of experience added to the squad and hopefully they can continue avoiding injuries like they appear to have done until now How do those numbers compare in the Championship & above? They’ve clearly targeted experienced, out of contract, cheap signings with good injury records over a number of years who will be back up. Good to get signings early - Big question at their ages of 27+ whether 1. Can they step up / good enough 2. Carlos has a clue what to do with them / use them? Good news he has time to work out! ….Or Bromby/Keogh do! 3. Can their injury records stand up to Carlos & pals training - Toffolo had managed 3 seasons without missing a game and we still crocked him!
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Post by benhomly on Jun 8, 2021 0:51:32 GMT 1
I’ll never begrudge someone a move to China for the money, I’d do it in a heartbeat. He’s ticked off Premier League ambitions, won’t lose his place in the Aussie team, why not cash in? It would be hypocritical of any of us on here to say that if we had the same opportunity, in whatever industry we work in, to earn major money for doing the same job, we wouldn’t do the same. At Mooy’s age and given the fact that getting back home is much easier, I think he made a totally understandable decision. I can say with 100% certainty that there is no way on earth I would move to China for 5 times the salary I earn here. Not even for 1 year.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 8, 2021 7:24:38 GMT 1
It would be hypocritical of any of us on here to say that if we had the same opportunity, in whatever industry we work in, to earn major money for doing the same job, we wouldn’t do the same. At Mooy’s age and given the fact that getting back home is much easier, I think he made a totally understandable decision. I can say with 100% certainty that there is no way on earth I would move to China for 5 times the salary I earn here. Not even for 1 year. Have you ever been offered 5 x your salary? I might suggest it’s different when the money isn’t a hypothetical.
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Jun 8, 2021 7:27:48 GMT 1
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 8, 2021 7:27:48 GMT 1
No guarantee that they're going to be great additions but I thought this was quite interesting. Total appearances of five outgoing players (Elphick, Brown, Duhaney, Pereira, Sanogo) = 650 Total appearances of five signed so far (assuming Ruffels signs) = 1600 Thats a lot of experience added to the squad and hopefully they can continue avoiding injuries like they appear to have done until now How do those numbers compare in the Championship & above? They’ve clearly targeted experienced, out of contract, cheap signings with good injury records over a number of years who will be back up. Good to get signings early - Big question at their ages of 27+ whether 1. Can they step up / good enough 2. Carlos has a clue what to do with them / use them? Good news he has time to work out! ….Or Bromby/Keogh do! 3. Can their injury records stand up to Carlos & pals training - Toffolo had managed 3 seasons without missing a game and we still crocked him! On your point 3 about Toffolo, a shortened season with less off season to rest and a manager who thinks he has no reliable backup to rest you. I think under those circumstances most would end up with an injury at some point. Did any of our players go through the whole season without an injury?
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