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Jun 8, 2021 9:22:34 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 8, 2021 9:22:34 GMT 1
How do those numbers compare in the Championship & above? They’ve clearly targeted experienced, out of contract, cheap signings with good injury records over a number of years who will be back up. Good to get signings early - Big question at their ages of 27+ whether 1. Can they step up / good enough 2. Carlos has a clue what to do with them / use them? Good news he has time to work out! ….Or Bromby/Keogh do! 3. Can their injury records stand up to Carlos & pals training - Toffolo had managed 3 seasons without missing a game and we still crocked him! On your point 3 about Toffolo, a shortened season with less off season to rest and a manager who thinks he has no reliable backup to rest you. I think under those circumstances most would end up with an injury at some point. Did any of our players go through the whole season without an injury? Wasn't the injury Toffolo suffered a back/spinal injury. Fuck all to do with Carlos making them run a bit more
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 8, 2021 9:34:34 GMT 1
Just a thought. As fullbacks Toffolo & Pippa make great wingers. If they played that position with a decent fullback behind them I think they would excel and give better cover than most wingers do. Even playing 3 decent centre backs and them as wingbacks would be an improvement. I would happily swap Pippa for Mbenza and move Koroma into a more central position to allow Toffolo to play higher up the pitch. If we make ourselves harder to score against, only 7 teams across all 4 divisions let in more goals than us last season, it will be a huge improvement.
There are other issues to resolve, how we vary moving forward and improving our set pieces for example, but we may see some tactical changes to make us tougher at the back. So our new additions may not be bench warmers.
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Jun 8, 2021 9:55:29 GMT 1
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jun 8, 2021 9:55:29 GMT 1
On your point 3 about Toffolo, a shortened season with less off season to rest and a manager who thinks he has no reliable backup to rest you. I think under those circumstances most would end up with an injury at some point. Did any of our players go through the whole season without an injury? Wasn't the injury Toffolo suffered a back/spinal injury. Fuck all to do with Carlos making them run a bit more No idea, but you are right if that’s the case. Still the same could be said, having a proper backup would reduce the chance of injury.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 8, 2021 10:20:21 GMT 1
Just a thought. As fullbacks Toffolo & Pippa make great wingers. If they played that position with a decent fullback behind them I think they would excel and give better cover than most wingers do. Even playing 3 decent centre backs and them as wingbacks would be an improvement. I would happily swap Pippa for Mbenza and move Koroma into a more central position to allow Toffolo to play higher up the pitch. If we make ourselves harder to score against, only 7 teams across all 4 divisions let in more goals than us last season, it will be a huge improvement. There are other issues to resolve, how we vary moving forward and improving our set pieces for example, but we may see some tactical changes to make us tougher at the back. So our new additions may not be bench warmers. They are not wingers, they’re attacking full backs. Keep them there. I’d suggest they’d probably be better wing backs than in a back 4 but it’s better for the team to be in a 4-3-3 as we have a few promising young wingers.
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Jun 8, 2021 10:29:59 GMT 1
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 8, 2021 10:29:59 GMT 1
Just a thought. As fullbacks Toffolo & Pippa make great wingers. If they played that position with a decent fullback behind them I think they would excel and give better cover than most wingers do. Even playing 3 decent centre backs and them as wingbacks would be an improvement. I would happily swap Pippa for Mbenza and move Koroma into a more central position to allow Toffolo to play higher up the pitch. If we make ourselves harder to score against, only 7 teams across all 4 divisions let in more goals than us last season, it will be a huge improvement. There are other issues to resolve, how we vary moving forward and improving our set pieces for example, but we may see some tactical changes to make us tougher at the back. So our new additions may not be bench warmers. They are not wingers, they’re attacking full backs. Keep them there. I’d suggest they’d probably be better wing backs than in a back 4 but it’s better for the team to be in a 4-3-3 as we have a few promising young wingers. Are they fullbacks though? I know our central defenders were poor but we conceded lots of free kicks wide of our area and opposition wingers got a lot of crosses in, or that is how it seemed to me. I agree on our young wingers but leaving ourselves so open at the back was a disaster last season.
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Post by 4 pts on Jun 8, 2021 10:30:10 GMT 1
Just a thought. As fullbacks Toffolo & Pippa make great wingers. If they played that position with a decent fullback behind them I think they would excel and give better cover than most wingers do. Even playing 3 decent centre backs and them as wingbacks would be an improvement. I would happily swap Pippa for Mbenza and move Koroma into a more central position to allow Toffolo to play higher up the pitch. If we make ourselves harder to score against, only 7 teams across all 4 divisions let in more goals than us last season, it will be a huge improvement. There are other issues to resolve, how we vary moving forward and improving our set pieces for example, but we may see some tactical changes to make us tougher at the back. So our new additions may not be bench warmers. Its a good point but for me there is a big negative. Toff & Pipa may create a decent amount of chances but we also need goals from those wide areas. I just don't see them as good enough finishers to play on the wings.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 8, 2021 10:35:10 GMT 1
Just a thought. As fullbacks Toffolo & Pippa make great wingers. If they played that position with a decent fullback behind them I think they would excel and give better cover than most wingers do. Even playing 3 decent centre backs and them as wingbacks would be an improvement. I would happily swap Pippa for Mbenza and move Koroma into a more central position to allow Toffolo to play higher up the pitch. If we make ourselves harder to score against, only 7 teams across all 4 divisions let in more goals than us last season, it will be a huge improvement. There are other issues to resolve, how we vary moving forward and improving our set pieces for example, but we may see some tactical changes to make us tougher at the back. So our new additions may not be bench warmers. Its a good point but for me there is a big negative. Toff & Pipa may create a decent amount of chances but we also need goals from those wide areas. I just don't see them as decent enough finishers to play on the wings. Even with injuries Toffolo scored 2 with 5 assists. Pippa got 2 with 4 assists. If they played further forward, and without injuries, they would probably get more. It is a dilemma but I do feel they are weak points defensively.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 8, 2021 10:36:29 GMT 1
Just a thought. As fullbacks Toffolo & Pippa make great wingers. If they played that position with a decent fullback behind them I think they would excel and give better cover than most wingers do. Even playing 3 decent centre backs and them as wingbacks would be an improvement. I would happily swap Pippa for Mbenza and move Koroma into a more central position to allow Toffolo to play higher up the pitch. If we make ourselves harder to score against, only 7 teams across all 4 divisions let in more goals than us last season, it will be a huge improvement. There are other issues to resolve, how we vary moving forward and improving our set pieces for example, but we may see some tactical changes to make us tougher at the back. So our new additions may not be bench warmers. They are not wingers, they’re attacking full backs. Keep them there. I’d suggest they’d probably be better wing backs than in a back 4 but it’s better for the team to be in a 4-3-3 as we have a few promising young wingers. They're certainly not defensive full backs anyway, defending is the weak point of both of them
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 8, 2021 12:19:08 GMT 1
Didn't Larry put Jack Hunt on the wing a couple of times? Utter dogshit as I recall.
Pipa & Toffolo are more wing-back than fullback, but as others have said - whilst it would solve one problem it would create another. Our wingers are better on the wing than they are centrally.
I don't see what's wrong with just making sure you have a DCM or two to drop back to make a back 3 when the fullbacks go forward. Hogg & Vallejo can do that if required.
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Post by 4 pts on Jun 8, 2021 13:27:22 GMT 1
Its a good point but for me there is a big negative. Toff & Pipa may create a decent amount of chances but we also need goals from those wide areas. I just don't see them as decent enough finishers to play on the wings. Even with injuries Toffolo scored 2 with 5 assists. Pippa got 2 with 4 assists. If they played further forward, and without injuries, they would probably get more. It is a dilemma but I do feel they are weak points defensively. They definitely will get a few more goals without injuries etc. but not enough to warrant them playing as an out and out winger. Koroma may have got to 15 or more last season. I just don't see them 2 getting close to what we would need from an attacking player. Agree though that defensively, they are both lacking
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Post by goodbet on Jun 8, 2021 13:43:43 GMT 1
The idea is not mad and given our squad it does give them the opportunity to move people around to cover injuries etc. Also remember that when I have seen Pipa playing for Spain he has done so as a midfielder not a full back.
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