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Post by impact on Jul 13, 2021 10:36:39 GMT 1
Shocking stuff in the video INSIDE Wembley. A feral mob kicking people on the floor in the head. There is even one bloke who must be 60 doing it! Meanwhile the dozen stewards in the background stand idly by. I have truly come to despise my own country. If it is the video I think you're talking about, then it was England fans with tickets going at the fans who burst in without tickets. No police around and the stewards weren't stood idly by - they had tried to stop them getting in but once they broke there was nothing they could do. They are on minimum wage and won't have been given any training for that.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 13, 2021 10:37:38 GMT 1
We have an undercurrent of unacceptable behaviour by a minority. One of the problems at Wembley was we have gone from over a year of not policing any sporting events to holding a huge event in central London. That is the worst I have seen for a long time and it was like a cork out of a bottle for all the pisshead idiots. We have always had this but most potentially violent events are heavily policed. I doubt there was time to get security in place for this one given the shifting sands regarding attendance. A large part of this was post COVID lockdown reaction but it should be a reminder that this awful stuff is just below the surface. I hope we soon return to ‘normal service’. Your last line is exactly what the copper said when I reported. Criminal damage to my car a month ago.I pointed out that I had also been in lockdown and didn't go around damaging other people's property.They ,the police are not investigating! It is costing me thousands to put it right,none of it my fault,but I suppose that's ok as far as they are concerned! My comment was an observation, not a justification. These are still extraordinary times.
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Post by impact on Jul 13, 2021 10:53:44 GMT 1
Given pretty much all the tickets were mobile tickets, getting a ticket snatched out of your hand is some achievement. It happened, several reports about it on the ESTC forum and members facebook page. Like it will at nearly any popular ticketed event. But please link me to those.
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Post by Champers on Jul 13, 2021 11:01:23 GMT 1
I like watching Ben Foster’s ‘Cycling GK’ videos on YouTube as they’re a real insightful behind the scenes watch, plus he’s an entertaining, down-to-earth guy. He managed to get tickets for him and his son to go and watch the final - watch the bit from 2.28 onwards where they’re walking to Wembley; you can hear and see he’s really not happy with the atmosphere and environment he’s having to walk through and keeps his son very close... Fast become one of my favourite YouTubers. A really top guy.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 13, 2021 11:03:41 GMT 1
Russia hosted it in 218 and they have a far greater issue with football violence and racism in society and in football. If we don’t ever host it, it’s got nothing to do with last night. There was virtually no bother in Russia despite all the advance warnings. Probably something to do with Putin having a quiet word with the Ultras before the tournament.
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Post by bridgeterrier on Jul 13, 2021 11:21:18 GMT 1
I've never seen Wembley Way like it was on Sunday afternoon, in fact a supporter sat in front said it was like a throwback to the early 80's down WW, we arrived around 16.15 and it took nearly half an hour to get through the crowds, covid check and ticket activation to get to the turnstile. It was obvious by the sheer amount of people gathered that a hell of a lot of them didn't have tickets, most were well oiled to say the least and judging by the amount nitrous oxide cannisters strewn amongst the empty beer cans and broken bottles on the floor quite a few were on a high. There was a police presence but you just knew that if this crowd turned then it could soon get out of hand as they wouldn't have the numbers to push back. From what I've seen of the footage of fans storming the gates to the lower tier the stewards in the main did the best they could but were woefully short of numbers hence why some ticketed supporters took things into there own hands. The thing is all the warning signs were there to see from the Denmark game but neither the policing or the stewarding seemed to learn any lessons from it
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Post by Terry Jacko on Jul 13, 2021 11:28:57 GMT 1
The corporate capacity at Wembley is huge compared to most grounds, will always be appealing to FIFA.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 13, 2021 12:16:31 GMT 1
Russia hosted it in 218 and they have a far greater issue with football violence and racism in society and in football. If we don’t ever host it, it’s got nothing to do with last night. There was virtually no bother in Russia despite all the advance warnings. Hardly a surprise with their hooligans all working for Putin and no foreigners wanting to risk spending the rest of their days in Siberia 😁
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jul 13, 2021 13:58:54 GMT 1
'Concourse Culture'? Inconsiderate fucking arseholes, more like.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 13, 2021 14:28:16 GMT 1
'Concourse Culture'? Inconsiderate fucking arseholes, more like. What is up with you?. You don't like the thought of Sheffield Wednesday away fans for example 'concourse culture' where you get showered in beer at half time and kids can't even negotiate their way to the toilets without getting the same?. This sounds like great fun doesn't it?. In fact, get to one of the English fan zones or get to Leicester square or Trafalgar square for an England match (or pre match) and you might even get piss thrown in the air all over you to go with stale Carling (Carling and the likes I wouldn't drink if it was free never mind being sprayed with it). Top day out!.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2021 14:37:14 GMT 1
Shocking stuff in the video INSIDE Wembley. A feral mob kicking people on the floor in the head. There is even one bloke who must be 60 doing it! Meanwhile the dozen stewards in the background stand idly by. I have truly come to despise my own country. To be fair, stewards aren't really there to stop fights. And if they did step in, you can bet your bottom dollar the loons would be suing them because they "didn't deserve" to be restrained or fought back against or whatever. 😡 The world has changed. When we were kids, a school teacher would wade into a fight with impunity and yank out whoever was 'winning', with a slap round the back of the head for good measure if that was needed to snap the steam out of the situation - now they have to call for security. I think its an unfortunate side effect of gentrification of society. We've seen this accelerated over the last few years, but really there's been a gradual creep for a couple of generations now towards 'not offending' / 'being accepting of all, including aggressors' etc. All very nice and liberal (small 'l'), but it means those who are the ones that really DO need to change no longer just creep across the line of acceptable behaviour, but they smash right through it undeterred given there is very little real percieved consequence...its always someone else fault, someone else to blame, they're a victim too...wah wah.. I jumped in to break up a fight 4 days back. I would had just waded in to stop it....i know myself.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2021 14:38:56 GMT 1
Shocking stuff in the video INSIDE Wembley. A feral mob kicking people on the floor in the head. There is even one bloke who must be 60 doing it! Meanwhile the dozen stewards in the background stand idly by. I have truly come to despise my own country. If it is the video I think you're talking about, then it was England fans with tickets going at the fans who burst in without tickets. No police around and the stewards weren't stood idly by - they had tried to stop them getting in but once they broke there was nothing they could do. They are on minimum wage and won't have been given any training for that. Strange....i assumed stewards were human with a conscience. What if someone started raping a child? What are they there for?
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 13, 2021 14:39:24 GMT 1
And what, pray tell, had minimum wage to do with it?
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Post by shawsie on Jul 13, 2021 15:23:06 GMT 1
And what, pray tell, had minimum wage to do with it? I think the idea is they are not paid enough to put personal safety in jeopardy. Can understand it to be honest……drug and drink fuelled tossers who use football safety in numbers as a convenient tool. Hopefully the CCTV and mobile footage will see many of em barred and locked up……….. just as folks were starting to reignite an interest in the national team trust the Neanderthal numpties to ruin it.
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Post by impact on Jul 13, 2021 15:37:36 GMT 1
If it is the video I think you're talking about, then it was England fans with tickets going at the fans who burst in without tickets. No police around and the stewards weren't stood idly by - they had tried to stop them getting in but once they broke there was nothing they could do. They are on minimum wage and won't have been given any training for that. Strange....i assumed stewards were human with a conscience. What if someone started raping a child? What are they there for? What a ridiculous and frankly stupid comparison. Not surprising coming from you, of course. They were massively outnumbered. Punches started flying and a fight started between the 2 sets of people. You get out of there rather than getting hurt. But actually, most of them did their best to keep as many people out as they could.
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Post by sabailand on Jul 13, 2021 15:41:40 GMT 1
Shocking stuff in the video INSIDE Wembley. A feral mob kicking people on the floor in the head. There is even one bloke who must be 60 doing it! Meanwhile the dozen stewards in the background stand idly by. I have truly come to despise my own country. If it is the video I think you're talking about, then it was England fans with tickets going at the fans who burst in without tickets. No police around and the stewards weren't stood idly by - they had tried to stop them getting in but once they broke there was nothing they could do. They are on minimum wage and won't have been given any training for that. And to be honest if some of those storming the entrances got an hiding from other fans, it serves them right.
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Post by Merseyterrier on Jul 13, 2021 16:16:02 GMT 1
Seeing those two videos, it like Hillsborough never happened…….
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Post by bogart on Jul 13, 2021 16:23:18 GMT 1
Russia hosted it in 218 and they have a far greater issue with football violence and racism in society and in football. If we don’t ever host it, it’s got nothing to do with last night. There was virtually no bother in Russia despite all the advance warnings. Would you want to get involved with a bunch of Russian coppers?
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Post by artysid on Jul 13, 2021 17:10:46 GMT 1
There was virtually no bother in Russia despite all the advance warnings. Would you want to get involved with a bunch of Russian coppers? I think Vlad sending a couple of squads of trained troops (wouldn't surprise me) down to Marseille a couple of years earlier was planned, and designed to send a message
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 17:26:56 GMT 1
Is it just me that thinks what is worse than the 5 people attacking the one defenceless one on the floor, it’s the 25 people standing by to watch and film it on their phones ? Completely agree. Shitshow from all concerned.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 13, 2021 17:54:18 GMT 1
Without wanting to go off at too much of a tangent but Met. Police standing by while the trouble unfurled - that reminds me of Town’s first visit to the KC, Hull, there was a mass brawl in the car park at the end of the game, youths kicking lumps out of each other, while frightened families sat in their cars, Hull’s finest literally stood back, let them get on with it, while filming events, presumably to assist with charges later on rather than for posting highlights on You Tube.
And stewards, on minimum wage, not expected to sort it out - anyone else remember an incident, probably about 10 years ago now, in Wigan a 10 year old boy jumped into a pond to help his 8 year sister who had got into difficulty, he then was struggling, 2 PCO’s (Hobby Bobby’s) arrived and literally stood on the sidelines while he drowned. A regular copper arrived, dived in and pulled him out but sadly it was too late. At the inquest the DCI for Wigan “defended” their lack of action stating they hadn’t been trained to deal with the incident, of course the parents both made the point that trained or otherwise you would expect two grown men to try and save a child who was drowning ?
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jul 13, 2021 18:05:36 GMT 1
'Concourse Culture'? Inconsiderate fucking arseholes, more like. I’ve friends who were in London for the weekend, they’re not football fans but like a lot of others they get involved with England in tournaments and they were planning to go to a fan zone to soak up the atmosphere, I advised them against it, saying if England lose it will turn nasty and you don’t want to get caught up in it and as for soaking up the atmosphere I warned that generally involves singing songs while some twat behind you throws his pint of lager over you, fine if that’s your thing. They opted to watch it in the hotel bar and the day after thanked me for the tip off.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 13, 2021 18:26:50 GMT 1
Even Mr Pie has had his say 🤣
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 13, 2021 18:37:52 GMT 1
Is it just me that thinks what is worse than the 5 people attacking the one defenceless one on the floor, it’s the 25 people standing by to watch and film it on their phones ? Completely agree. Shitshow from all concerned. Where were them Russians from Marseilles a few years back when you needed them. Would these 5 have tackled them?. Not a chance, cowardly bullies who need the kicking of all kickings and some.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 19:00:21 GMT 1
I assume the Met Police were saving themselves for the real hooligans:
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 13, 2021 19:07:58 GMT 1
Kicking someone on the floor is plain wrong but they deserved a slap at the very least for trying to break in without tickets. Fair play to those England fans that were trying to help the stewards but some did take it a bit far (although I have no sympathy for those on the receiving end because their stupidity put them in that situation)
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 13, 2021 19:19:16 GMT 1
Shocking stuff in the video INSIDE Wembley. A feral mob kicking people on the floor in the head. There is even one bloke who must be 60 doing it! Meanwhile the dozen stewards in the background stand idly by. I have truly come to despise my own country. If it is the video I think you're talking about, then it was England fans with tickets going at the fans who burst in without tickets. No police around and the stewards weren't stood idly by - they had tried to stop them getting in but once they broke there was nothing they could do. They are on minimum wage and won't have been given any training for that. Personally I wouldn't have tried to stop anyone, what's the point? If some prick was sat in my seat, different matter
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 13, 2021 19:23:41 GMT 1
I've never seen Wembley Way like it was on Sunday afternoon, in fact a supporter sat in front said it was like a throwback to the early 80's down WW, we arrived around 16.15 and it took nearly half an hour to get through the crowds, covid check and ticket activation to get to the turnstile. It was obvious by the sheer amount of people gathered that a hell of a lot of them didn't have tickets, most were well oiled to say the least and judging by the amount nitrous oxide cannisters strewn amongst the empty beer cans and broken bottles on the floor quite a few were on a high. There was a police presence but you just knew that if this crowd turned then it could soon get out of hand as they wouldn't have the numbers to push back. From what I've seen of the footage of fans storming the gates to the lower tier the stewards in the main did the best they could but were woefully short of numbers hence why some ticketed supporters took things into there own hands. The thing is all the warning signs were there to see from the Denmark game but neither the policing or the stewarding seemed to learn any lessons from it I wonder if it would be possible to stop ticketless fans even getting to Wembley Way ? You always get a portion of vermin knocking about "soaking up the atmosphere "
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Post by Stewpot on Jul 13, 2021 19:31:02 GMT 1
Shocking stuff in the video INSIDE Wembley. A feral mob kicking people on the floor in the head. There is even one bloke who must be 60 doing it! Meanwhile the dozen stewards in the background stand idly by. I have truly come to despise my own country. The story coming out is that basically a few formed a vigilante mob to prevent the feral rats invading the stadium. Matey in the brown checked shirt, and the other guy in the white shirt and shorts "overseeing proceedings". They claim self engineered action was necessary as the stewards weren't up for sorting out the invaders, not my job for £7.90 an hour was one quote, and the police were not on duty inside the stadium, too busy sorting out other goings on in the capital. Dominic Matteo beat a hasty retreat as he said he genuinely feared for his safety (not sure if young family members with him) and Mike Tindall waded in to break up a brawl in the seats as the game got underway as wife Zara looked on. Reports suggest that was as a result of someone going to his seat found someone else sitting in it, and refused to budge. Further reports of a malevolent atmosphere in various pockets of the stadium, not surprised if so many had snook in. Glad I watched from the safety of my armchair, but not a good look for our country. Scottish, Welsh and Irish people rounding on us saying we are a bloody disgrace, and quite frankly hard to disagree. Is it reflective and symptomatic of the way the country is heading, I don't know? I left once, and could quite easily do so again, I just don't get the outright xenophobia and feelings of rage and anger towards other nationalities, and now English on English for the most part on Sunday. Makes for horrible viewing I'm afraid.
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Post by Stewpot on Jul 13, 2021 19:42:11 GMT 1
There was virtually no bother in Russia despite all the advance warnings. Would you want to get involved with a bunch of Russian coppers? Putin told his boys to go sort out the English in France, didn't reflect badly on the state as it was not in their homeland. As we we were all fearing horrible consequences for Russia 2018, guess what, a supreme example of nationalistic pride and exemplary behaviour from all quarters. The would be wrongdoers had received a little word in their ear, and they took notice. Some things Russia do very well!
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